Talk: Cade Calrayn/Talk Archive 8

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Saylew

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Another Cookie

Supreme Emperor has awarded you a Wookiee Cookie! You deserve a second cookie for sorting through the GCW timeline stuff :P

Scourge

"So—you've finally made it in the big leagues!" Scourge has been approved by the Inquisitorius and awarded Featured status. Please record your achievement here, and feel free to add the {{User featured}} template to your userpage to acknowledge your hard work. The Inquisitorius thanks you for your efforts, and looks forward to future nominations from you! — CC7567 (talk) 02:52, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Fact Files

Unfortunately, we can't get around removing "initial"/"revised remake" because the initial 5 issues have "Part" as part of their titles, too. But I'll see what I can do about moving those pages. CC7567 ^(talk) 02:25, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe; I'll have to experiment with the citation template. I'll get it sorted out. CC7567 ^(talk) 02:27, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Looks good. Thanks for fixing it—I know the basics of Python, but MediaWiki coding still baffles me sometimes. :P CC7567 ^(talk) 02:50, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Tiems

It all seems to fit. The evacuation at Dankayo can only refer to the event in Scavenger Hunt (scenario), which is indicated to take place after Yavin as well. I'll amend the article accordingly. - Sir Cavalier of One^{(Squadron channel)} 09:45, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Scandalous

Hey Cade, thanks for this. I don't have that Fact File issue, could you please tell me if it brings any new information? Cheers. Stake black ^msg 14:51, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yags

Turns out you were right --- Battle of Yaga Minor was a conjectural name. I've made the change. Check out Dorja's FAnom and let me know if there's anything else, and thanks again for the review! Menkooroo (talk) 07:03, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Annoucement

• I assume you have seen the announcement on the state of EU. What is to be done for EU (Legends) material here on Wookieepedia now? (I did not where else to post this. So I figure I'd just ask you). --Darth R2-D2, Dark Lord of the Droids (talk) 21:05, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Edit reverts

It may be in your best intentions to keep information accurate in this Wiki but I have noticed that you often revert my contributions without valid basis. Recently you did this in two topics named Leeha Narezz and Warren Sedoru. I have added content in to these two articles as per revelations in Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia. Kindly respect my contributions and do not start unnecessary edit wars. I am not a troll and I do not appreciate reversions of my contributions without valid basis. S_W_LeGenD 16:00, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Clone Trooper confusion

Ok, I am confused. For the GA nomination - Good article nominations/Unidentified clone trooper 2 - JangFett mentioned that there is no need to mention his being a human male, as that is covered by saying he is a clone trooper. This is supported by the GA 2242. However, for the CA nomination (which might end up being a GA) - Comprehensive article nominations/Unidentified clone trooper - both Commander Code-8 and yourself are asking for mention of that clone being human, contradicting the aforementioned article.

As this involves two inqs and an edu member, I am not sure what to do, though i am inclined to follow what Jang said, as the aforementioned article agrees with this. I have left messages on the other users pages as well. Thanks for helping with trying to clear this up, i tried IRC but got no response, and posting a topic on the senate hall wouldn't necessarily get a response from you. Manoof (talk) 06:58, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

User pages and bot editing

Cade, please remember that the rules regarding editing of other users' user pages apply equally to bots as well as humans. With very few exceptions, your bot should not be editing user pages for routine tasks without the permission of that user. Some people have things formatted in a particular way in their userspace, and an edit that would be helpful in the mainspace can ruin that chosen formatting on a user page. As a specific example, take my collection subpage, where I have gone to great lengths to format it exactly the way I want. This includes the omission of series names from work titles, because those works are in a sub-list under the series name and therefore the series name would be redundant in the titles of the individual works. Your bot blindly modified them to display series names, which is not what I want on that page, and I had to fix it manually.

Unless there are very good reasons to edit user pages, your bot should leave them alone, and in the rare case that it is absolutely necessary to edit a user page (e.g. to orphan a redirect so that a different article can be moved over top of it), the edit should be done manually in a way that does not alter the displayed text. Please keep this in mind in the future.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
00:55 UTC Tue		April 29, 2014

Checking my watchlist tonight, I found these three edits. All three of those edits broke the user's chosen formatting style. Did you not read the notice above? This is now an official warning: stop editing user pages with your bot. If you do not know how to avoid editing user pages with your bot, then you should not be operating the bot at all until you do understand how it works. I am going to make this clear: you are responsible for every edit your bot makes. If your bot continues to edit user pages, it will be a blockable offense for both you and your bot, and if that happens, I will petition to have RoboCade's bot flag revoked.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
04:23 UTC Sun		May 4, 2014

MJ, those were purposeful edits so that the redirects with the parantheticals can be deleted. If the book redirects don't have parentheticals, I don't touch them. If the formatting is that important, then I'll be sure to replace them while preserving the link text in the future. Cade Calrayn 04:28, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

You are obviously failing to understand why those edits should not be made with a bot. The reason is that the owner of the user page has, within the confines of site policy, complete control over the formatting of their user page. Some users choose to format their collection lists to include the series name in the displayed text of every title. Others choose to exclude the series name from the titles. Your bot is changing one format to the other, because bots are inherently incapable of understanding the difference. That is why you should not be making these edits to user pages with your bot. If you want to orphan the redirect so it can be deleted, that's fine. But you need to exclude user pages from the bot run, and then edit the remaining links on user pages manually so that each page can be handled in the correct manner (meaning that you should change the link target without altering the displayed text).

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
04:35 UTC Sun		May 4, 2014

Somehow your edit to your previous comment failed to give me an edit conflict. If you can figure out how to handle user pages with your bot without modifying the displayed text, that's fine, but be extra careful with those edits. The key point here is that your should never alter the displayed text of a user page other than your own.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
04:40 UTC Sun		May 4, 2014

Yes, it can be done with a bot—i.e. replacing "[[Tempest (novel|" with "[[Legacy of the Force|". My bot's set up where it manually queries me as to the edits it'll make, so I'll make sure to use that when changing userpage redirects. Cade Calrayn 04:44, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, requiring manual approval per edit is a excellent idea when messing with user pages. User pages, more than any other pages, are prone to weird and oddball formatting, and there's always a chance that the bot might misinterpret the wikitext and try to do something that it shouldn't.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
04:47 UTC Sun		May 4, 2014

Just as a heads-up, I'm going to be purging the rest of the four-digit-comma-years site-wide tomorrow, as we're trying to deprecate and delete them as they're essentially fanon. Cade Calrayn 05:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

OK. Just keep in mind that even on that, the display text of user pages should not be altered. It is up to each individual user to see the bot changing the link target and decide for themselves whether to change the display text. Some might prefer to keep the comma on their user page, which is fine.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
05:13 UTC Sun		May 4, 2014

Question

Hey buddy, i just wanna know what you did to the page Andru Jendri Charzakwinn (talk) 16:23, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Rathari

Would you agree that the neutral option of gaining the loyalty of Lord Rathari loyalty is not canon? The dark side choice would be to choose to strike him down.--Rakhsh (talk) 00:43, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

You need to see this.

It seems to me that you are an important person on here, and this should be spread. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/04/lucasfilm_decrees_that_all_star_wars_video_games_are_non_canon --Toodles78 (talk) 20:38, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

I see that you've posted "Canon" and "Legends" banners on a separate Moraband page. Is this how Wookiepedia is going to handle the Legends versus official canon?

98.28.247.91 23:00, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hypermatters and Soulless One

Hey Cade, why exactly did you want those two articles deleted? I'm trying to figure out why when they were legitimate products/subjects. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:20, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

• AJAX is not to be trifled with. :P Also in light of that, I'd strongly recommend that you get an admin to review the articles that were deleted to make sure no other articles were mistakenly deleted. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:23, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Unspecified gender category

Hello Cade, I saw your bot's replacing all unidentified gender category with individuals of unspecified gender. However, just from looking at a couple of my articles alone, I see that the bot did not check to alphabetize categories, so now articles such as ST-103 and TK-420 have categories no longer in alphabetical order. I'd imagine this would be the same with a lot of other articles too, so is there a way to get your bot to fix those? Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 20:47, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Alderaan

Thanks for the heads-up, Cade. ;-) Actually, I'm appalled by the look this article will have when it's finished. All these articles will look so meager... But I won't despair so easily; I'll keep squeezing everything I can from the very few canon sources we have. By the way, does the official website encyclopedia still count? And what about the "In the Movies" section of the old Databank? Or the visual dictionaries? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 17:15, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, no BBY systm then. It is... unfortunate. I'll try to change it all, but that will make things much more difficult. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 17:37, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources TC

Hey, just letting you know that the Reliable sources TC has been amended to redirect the page rather than delete it completely. Cheers, 1358 ^(Talk) 17:18, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Eckerd

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Rogue Squadron series

Hey Cade, saw you reverted my huge changes to the Rogue Squadron series page - all of them. In the change log your only reason is "Battle for Naboo is not part of the series". So why did you revert all the changes? If you say you deleted them because of the Battle for Naboo inclusion then why did you delete all the other stuff? Besides it is part of the series, as a spin-off, which I wrote multiple times - it comes from the same team, uses the same engine and mechanics and is usually described as a sequel to Rogue Squadron. But anyway, don't want to focus on BfN too much, why did you revert all the other changes I've made? Cheers, smintili (talk) 17:19, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

• I've restored some of the content, but there were far too many images, unsourced images, and unneeded coverage of Battle of Naboo.

Sorry, but what exactly do you mean by "unneeded coverage"?smintili (talk) 18:03, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

• And while I'm at it, please could you explain how BfN isn't part of the series?smintili (talk) 18:45, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Why haven't you answered yet?smintili (talk) 11:08, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Inq Meeting 63

Inquisitorius Meeting 63 has been scheduled for May 17th, at 8PM for post-Legends drinking. - Sir Cavalier of One^{(Squadron channel)} 22:24, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Novel redirects

Can you add the following novel link corrections to your bot?

• Outcast (novel) -> Fate of the Jedi: Outcast
• Omen (novel) -> Fate of the Jedi: Omen
• Abyss (novel) -> Fate of the Jedi: Abyss
• Vortex (novel) -> Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
• Darth Plagueis -> Darth Plagueis
• Star Wars: Kenobi -> Kenobi (novel)
• Revelation (novel) -> Legacy of the Force: Revelation
• Invincible (novel) -> Legacy of the Force: Invincible

• They're on the to-do list, yes. Cade Calrayn 15:13, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

• • Btw, your bot is updating Outcast (novel) to Fate of the Jedi: Outcast, not Fate of the Jedi: Outcast. Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 13:22, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the update; I was trying a multiple-replace functionality. I'll be sure to change those later today. Cade Calrayn 14:45, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker/Canon and Obi-Wan Kenobi/Canon

I have created the Anakin Skywalker/Canon page and the Obi-Wan Kenobi/Canon page just a little while ago. I don't want to spoil them by adding the rest of the information from the Legends versions, so could you please do it for me as soon as possible? Please let me know right away. Thank you. AdamDeanHall (talk) 18:35, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, it's me again. I just found out why my Anakin Skywalker/Canon and Obi-Wan Kenobi/Canon pages were deleted: I was told not to create empty canon articles because they don't benefit anyone. So could you please put some effort to re-create those two pages for me? Please let me know right now. This is important. Thank you again. AdamDeanHall (talk) 18:40, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Mark I Power Guard

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Hello from another wiki

I just heard the horrible news yesterday. I don't edit on here very much - because, well, I read a lot of the books as a kid, and there is that much material in the universe that I was hard pressed to find anything TO add - but know that I, and many others like me, visit this wiki. (If we didnt, it wouldn't be mentioned in various media). I just wanted to leave a message to say that we wish you all the best of luck with the whole "Legends" issue. Just know that the entire site is awesome, and no doubt will continue to be so in the future. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 11:06, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Type

Well, some of the articles don't have Legends counterparts, so I was under the impression that we wouldn't need the "Legends" tabs for subjects that have appeared exclusively in canon material, such as the Rebels articles. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:16, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

• TCW does fall into both EU and Canon, but most Season Six subjects/articles don't incorporate any EU material at all, so I don't see why we would need Legends tabs that would literally be the exact same thing as the Canon tab. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:18, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I talked to Tope and if something doesn't exist/isn't affected by the EU, then it shouldn't have a Legends tab—only the Canon one, since it would be canon-exclusive. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:00, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Implementation of new canon articles

Hi Cade. I was about to implement a canon version of the "Bail Antilles" article—easy one since it would be VERY short—but I noticed that your "Moraband" article does not exist anymore. Has it been decided not to implement those yet? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 19:26, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, we're waiting for the default-page vote to finish. Cade Calrayn 19:28, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi Cade, that's me again. How am I supposed to title a canon article that has the same name as the legends one? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 09:24, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Canontab

Hey Cade, could you explain to me when {{Canontab}} will be implemented in an article in regards to {{Top}}? Like, will Canontab only appear if both the Legends and Canon tabs exist? I'm assuming that's the case given your example implementation on Kanan, but I just wanted to confirm that. Also, just to let you know, I do agree that the majority of event articles from TCW episodes in particular will still need to have both Legends and Canon tabs, since there are several EU events (notably, Atraken, Foerost, Drongar, and Mygeeto) that run concurrent to them and would need to be detailed in Legends tabs—not to mention all the event articles from TCW comics/novels that still fall under the EU. CC7567 ^(talk) 15:11, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

• We've actually been discussing this further, and because most of the ships and other stuff in TCW have EU names (Venator-class etc.) it'll probably be necessary to have Legends & Canon tabs for all of those. And you're correct; Canontab will only appear if both the Canon and Legends articles exist, though it'll take either /Canon pages or specially-named pages like Moraband. Cade Calrayn 15:16, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • Alright, thanks. And yeah, I agree about the need for both tabs for basically all TCW/film articles. Also, this is unrelated, but have you thought about adding an option to compare the Canon/Legends tabs in {{Canontab}} using Special:ComparePages? It might be a helpful function to add so that readers can compare the two tabs. It's actually rather easy to implement, since the link to the compare page would just be Special:ComparePages?page1=FIRSTARTICLE&page2=SECONDARTICLE, e.g. Special:ComparePages?page1=Voe Atell&page2=Bec Lawise—the challenge would be making the button/display pretty enough to look good within Canontab. CC7567 ^(talk) 15:30, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
    • I.... wow. I never thought of that. I'll look at implementing that, though Tope's currently commandeering me and RoboCade to add Eras to everything. :P Cade Calrayn 15:32, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
      • Haha, I can take a look into it and then it can be tweaked for readability/appearance. I had the idea last night so I'll see what I can do. CC7567 ^(talk) 15:47, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

How does this look? I was going to use "(diff)" instead of "(c)," but I thought it would be too long, so I went with the shorter option. CC7567 ^(talk) 15:59, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

• Looks pretty good We might want to move it to the right of both tabs and make it fancy, but formatting can always be changed. Cade Calrayn 16:13, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Hoth

How could you?! How could you reverted back to the previous same page? I've been added T3-B Heavy Attack Tank to that strength section to the Battle of Hoth Biographic and you given me more upset and you thought I've gave you more upset!! WHY!?Ben800013 (talk) 19:04, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

• It's unsourced, and I'm sorry, but the general quality of the edits were too poor to allow to remain. Please be sure to read all of our policies and proof-read your edits. Cade Calrayn 19:57, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Salarr

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Skirmish in the Power Guard Cybernetics Lab

"So—are you still worried about being sent to the Agricultural Corps?" Skirmish in the Power Guard Cybernetics Lab has been approved by the AgriCorps and awarded Good status. Feel free to add the {{User GA}} template to your userpage to acknowledge your hard work. The AgriCorps thanks you for your efforts, and looks forward to future nominations from you! — Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 15:46, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Liberation of Camp 4 correction

What do you mean, "All unnecessary additions". Instead of "The Federation had enslaved most of the planet's inhabitants", you'll should've added The Trade Federation had enslaved most of the planet's inhabitants and put them into camps such as Camp Four, so Naboo's Bravo Squadron wanted to liberate the camp to add to the Naboo Resistance as they prepared to retake their planet from the invaders.

It says "camp to add to the" which is NOT a good sentence to ME!!! You should be added from "camp to add to the" to "camp and add to the" of "camp to add the".

It says "under heavy fire from the base and from a missile turret" which is also NOT the correct sentence. It should "under heavy fire from the base and a missile turret"

This is my first year of Wookiepedia and I'm trying to HELPING YOU!Ben800013 (talk) 20:27, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

• First off, that article is a Good Article, which means it's undergone numerous peer reviews and any changes should be brought to the author. Secondly, absolutely none of those changes were necessary; the grammar is perfectly fine as is, and your additions/removals are completely unnecessary. Please do not continue to try and alter status articles. Thank you. Cade Calrayn 20:30, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Type

Hey Cade. I was under the impression—from a discussion I had with Tope—that for articles whose Canon and Legends versions would be identical (or very nearly identical), then it would be redundant to create both versions, so only a Canon version would be acceptable. (Of course, if there's even the slightest bit of Legends info that affects the article, then it would need both Canon/Legends versions.) From my discussion with Tope, I was under the impression that it would be fine, within a Legends article, to link to a Canon subject (assuming the article exists in both continuities). Either way, I'm confused, so if you could hop on IRC for a bit, that would be great. Otherwise I'll catch you on IRC tomorrow. CC7567 ^(talk) 05:04, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

• After talking with Tope, I've restored the two tabs that I deleted until there's a definite criteria for which articles need two tabs, one, etc. Hopefully the TCW problem is something that we can continue to discuss. CC7567 ^(talk) 05:39, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Dac/Mon Cala

Hey Cade, for some reason Mon Cala's legends button didn't link to Dac. Its legends button linked to Mon Cala, while its canon button linked to Mon Cala/Canon. It could have been an {{Top}} tag issue, but everything checked out and properly pointed to the correct article. Korriban and Moraband oddly work. JangFett ^(Talk) 00:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

• We've already noticed; it's simply a caching issue involving the ifexist parser function that will eventually resolve itself. It should be moved back to Mon Cala. Cade Calrayn 00:22, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, cool, wasn't sure. Thanks, JangFett ^(Talk) 00:23, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
    • olol JangFett ^(Talk) 00:36, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

IRC

Can you come on IRC? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:53, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

• At work at the moment; I'll be home in about three/four hours. Cade Calrayn 20:08, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Legends to Canon

I saw on the recent changes your reason for edit was "Here's how you do it." Would you be willing to help me or show me or tell me how to change an article. Thank you very muchly. Have a dark side-filled day! --You may call me Mr. Darth (talk) 19:48, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Jedi Trial

Luke Skywalker had passed the Trial of the Flesh since he loses his right hand, so I added the info to the Duel of Cloud City--Ben800013 (talk) 20:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Dathomir

In my opinion, it's a rare case of something published after April 25 that still affects both Legends as well as canon, due to the fact that it's part of TCW—which exists in both continuities. This is likely going to be the last TCW product ever released, but it was originally composed before the April 25 announcement, so I don't see a reason to omit the information from Legends. CC7567 ^(talk) 22:31, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

• On second thought… never mind. It was mostly just me being lazy. :P CC7567 ^(talk) 18:11, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
  • No problem. If you need any links adjusted because of canon pages overwriting redirects (like Battle of Geonosis), let me know and RoboCade will fix 'em. I've been compiling a list, and stuff like Commando droid (BX-series), super battle droid, Trade Federation landing ship (C-9979), and Separatist destroyer (Recusant-class) are just a few of them. Cade Calrayn 18:34, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
    • Okay, I'll keep a list and send it to you when I'm done. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:37, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
      • Actually, about the Battle of Geonosis - didn't the Ahsoka TCW arc identify it as the First Battle? That memorial wall and the episode guide? Cade Calrayn 18:42, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
        • It only identified the memorial itself as the "First Battle Memorial," which I don't think is enough to call the battle itself as such. The "First Battle" name has always been from the TCW guidebooks, not from TCW itself. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:45, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Also, this is an unrelated question, but were we planning on creating separate IU categories for Legends and Canon? For example, currently Category:Battles of the Clone Wars is for Legends articles, but do we have the means to create one for canon articles as well? CC7567 ^(talk) 18:47, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

• At this point, no; we've discussed the issue, but we already include non-canon articles in our in-universe categories—1137 is listed in the clone troopers category, despite being a non-canon character. Cade Calrayn 18:49, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Warning

I don't mean intend be rude, but you're down right wrong. Thorn is a character that has appeared exclusively in canon material. I have tried to contribute but the problem seems to be that those who are doing all the contributing in this period of time are the only ones who know how to do it. I've asked on the Senate Hall and asked you on your talk page on how to start making legends articles into canon tabs properly. I'm also in the mood to say something about constructiveness between those in charge and those who aren't but not today. Have a dark side filled day! --You may call me Mr. Darth (talk) 23:22, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

• Can you put a heading next time? That would be much appreciated. But that not the point! I sill don't know how to do what you're yelling at me about! One ought not tell someone they're doing something without instruction. That's all I want and I'll get out of your hair (unless you're bald). Have a dark side filled day! --You may call me Mr. Darth (talk) 23:32, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

These things

• Imperial Death Squadron
• Ozzel
• Piett
• Veers
• Rieekan
• Second Death Star
• A-wing starfighter
• Meter Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:52, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Takin vs. Tarkin (disambig)

Hello Cade! Unless I'm mistaken, Tarkin has no known first name in the new canon—both the movies and the official online encyclopedia just call him "Tarkin." For that reason, I think that the "Tarkin" page should not redirect to the disambig. What do you think? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:36, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

• I believe that's why I moved it, actually; so that a new article could overwrite "Tarkin". I'll RoboCade the links to Tarkin tonight. Cade Calrayn 11:38, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, I must confess I don't always get all the technical aspects behind all this. Please don't blame me when I don't. ;-) All right then, I guess that will be good. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:42, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
    • No problem. If you're going to overwrite a redirect with a canon article, feel free to leave me a message with the page name, and I'll bot-fix all of the existing links so we won't have any Legends articles pointing to that new canon article. For example, when I get home I'll change all Tarkin links to Wilhuff Tarkin. Cade Calrayn 12:15, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Miscellaneous films

Why did you remove this category from those video game articles? A key component of those particular games is live-action footage. I saw that you left the Star Tours rides in the category, but not these. Adamwankenobi (talk) 15:04, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

• I didn't notice the Star Tours, but live-action footage doesn't qualify a game to be listed in films. It's still just a game. Cade Calrayn 15:24, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re: The Lost Missions

Yeah, I agree. I'll take care of the move. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:41, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

• I was talking to Toprawa, and he agreed with me that we should be giving precedence to canon articles over Legends articles. I realize that Hawk is currently still the Legends version, but it'll work better once Legends are moved to [[/Legends]] and canon to the main page. In the case of Hawk, people are going to be looking for the clone trooper much more than they would for the animal. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:05, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Lucky redirect

Hey Cade, I wanted to add a somewhat priority request to RoboCade's to-do list. All links to [[Lucky/Legends|Lucky]] need to be changed to [[Lucky (comic story)|Lucky]], and all uses of {{Tales|23|Lucky}} need to be changed to {{Tales|23|Lucky (comic)|Lucky}} in light of the IU clone trooper (Lucky) being given precedence over the OOU comic (Lucky (comic)). No rush, but I'd appreciate it if you could take care of it sooner rather than later. Thanks. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:38, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

• All done, and starting on the pages you moved earlier. Cade Calrayn 22:09, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Title question

Hey Cade. Quick question since you're handling a lot of canon redirects and titles. For the Rebel Alliance canon page, is that going to be called Rebel Alliance, Rebel Alliance/Canon, or Alliance to Restore the Republic? I've seen a few different uses and wanted to ask for consistency's sake. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 15:12, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

• So far, I'm keeping track of them here: User:Cade Calrayn/Canon. The Rebel Alliance encyclopedia does refer to the Rebel Alliance by their formal name, so it'll go at Alliance to Restore the Republic/Canon. Cade Calrayn 15:13, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks! - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 15:14, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mandalore

Alright. I've been mostly taking care of the TCW pages, so I'll leave the others up to you. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:44, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Derlin

Hi Cade! If I may inquire, what do you think is wrong with the Derlin article? I doin't think there's anything left in it that doesn't come directly from ESB. I didn't do a mere copy-paste job, I think I pruned it quite carefully. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 14:19, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, it's been a while since I saw the movie, but I don't remember him being named in the movie. Plus, when I looked at it, I saw mentions of the name "Bren" in the body of the article. Cade Calrayn 14:21, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • He was named "Major Derlin" in the movie credits. But the remaining mentions of "Bren" (except one I just deleted) specifically refer to his Legends counterpart. ;-) --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 14:24, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Banite Sith

Hey Cade. I noticed you removed Category:Banite Sith from Palpatine/Canon, presumably with the reasoning that it's from the Legends continuity. I think that category can still apply, given that the canon Darth Bane and the canon Rule of Two were introduced in the series finale of The Clone Wars. Per that episode, as well as Bane's SW.com Encyclopedia entry, we know that he was canonically the first of a new line of the Sith based around the Rule of Two. Would you have any objection to me putting Category:Banite Sith back onto the canon Palpatine page? Given that there's no canonical mention, that I'm aware of, to the Order of the Sith Lords, "Banite Sith" seems like a good catch-all. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 20:13, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Palpatine

Hey Cade. So, I have trimmed the Palpatine section to remove all the unsourced stuff. No original research, no speculation. But, the Sarli stuff and Sithis are far from original research and speculation: they are the most definite C-Canon answer to the "Emperor's face debate", one of the most controversial aspects to the character, and should most definitely be there. As should the other sourced info. I understand your position as far as sourcing everything is concerned, but surely you must understand my position: you took out a lot of sourced stuff that belongs in the Palpatine article and DIDN'T replace it (Sarli, Sithisis, Sansweet's comment that Palpatine may have no first name, the fact that there are other people called Palpatine, and his name in Sith from the Insider article). Information backed by official sources belongs in the article, and I'm sure we can agree on that. I still haven't sourced every single thing, so I'll keep working on it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 21:54, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

• The discussion about Sithisis is still speculation; at most, there can be a sentence saying that the comic shows him "masking" his face. The comments of both Sarli and Sansweet are completely unnecessary; neither of them have the influence for their comments outside of official publications to be taken as canon. As for the naming, it's complete trivia and utterly unnecessary to discuss other individuals with the same name. The Insider section that you mention is also speculation; the article is uncertain as to the real-world origins of the name Palpatine, and thus the Sith translation is also speculation. There's really nothing worth salvaging here. Cade Calrayn 22:29, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • On Sithisis: it's correct that the mention of the comic should be something like "he masks his face with a Sith ritual"; that's in my revision already. But Sarli? You are wrong. All the other in-universe stuff published on the Wizards of the Coast webpage are C-Canon, and Sarli offered in-universe info on the Wizards of the Coast webpage. This is not from a "questionable source", or a "self-published source". Wizards of the Coast held the license; that's how this works. All the Insider stuff is also from an official publication (an Insider, after all), by writers paid by Lucasfilm for said articles. As official as it gets. Of course, we must mention that the 100% officially licensed article mentions that it speculates on the point of "Palpatine" being related to "palpate" and does not assume to say that the person who came up with it meant it to be related to "palpate", but as long as we do that, the info definitely belongs there. None of the stuff I've kept is against Wookieepedia policy; I have removed original research and theories, which are. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 22:45, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
    • Sarli's position does not give him the authority to declare C-canon in OOU, non-official posts. Unless you can provide actual links proving your points, then it's speculation. Even then, the Insider speculation is still just speculation and unnecessary. Cade Calrayn 22:53, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
      • How is "Jedi Counseling" unofficial? As I said, Wizards of the Coast held the license for the Star Wars Roleplaying Game. Wizards of the Coast authorizing Sarli to answer questions about Star Wars IS the authority to declare C-Canon. Wizards of the Coast web supplements are treated as C-Canon all over Wookieepedia. Jedi Counceling is not an exception. And as I said, I have read Wookieepedia policy; citing officially published sources isn't speculation. That Sith language article from Insider is used as a source on the Sith language article. It's only cited, oh I don't know, a trillion times. It's the last word on the Sith language, actually (and now parts of it are G-Canon). There is absolutely no justification for opposing its use on the Palpatine article. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 23:03, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
      • You're reaching. Jedi Counseling is meant as a Q&A for the roleplaying game, not Star Wars in general. It's not a standard web enhancement. Also, the Insider article is fine for sources, but when it's just the author speculating on the origin of the real-world name. Looking more at the text, that's something that'd be more acceptable to mention, but cut the speculation and size of the mention down to a minimum. Cade Calrayn 23:09, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm not reaching anywhere, because stats appearing in the Wizards of the Coast website are used in many articles. Example: XQ2 Platform -- https://web.archive.org/web/20091228104322/http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/Mesop1 Sarli offers stats about the Mask power in response to a question about Palpatine's face swap. And as to how "Jedi Counceling" is not a standard web enhancement, you'd have to prove that somehow, because I really don't see the difference. If we accept stats elsewhere, we must accept them from that. As to the speculation, I removed all of it and have now cited most sections. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 23:17, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
        • • If that's true, then Sarli's statements are definite and thus the only canon information we have for the topic. Visionaries is s-canon-esque and is overridden by other content, so Sithisis's disguise representation is essentially false. Cade Calrayn 23:27, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
• If Sithisis is S-Canon (we treat the Albino Cyclops stuff as C-Canon, so how in the name of the... well, albino cyclops, could it possibly be), a brief sentence about it still belongs BtS, definitely, because S-Canon is "canon until proven otherwise", not "non-canon until proven otherwise". Too fuzzy for the main section, maybe, yes. Another thing: Here's an example of "Jedi Counceling" stats: https://web.archive.org/web/20090603072956/https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/sw20050623jc68 (6th Q&A.) There is no reason they can't be used as a source for the Troig article. I don't see how Force mask, with an article of its own citing Sarli's Jedi Counceling, shouldn't be in the Palpatine article. I don't see why it shouldn't be in the main section as well, actually. Anyway, I'll keep working on it tomorrow, cleaning it up and making sure nothing's left unsourced (should also get citations for that Force Mask article as well). --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 23:39, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Forum:TC:Culture of Naboo

I have closed this thread with a consensus to merge. I will leave it to you as the nominator to merge it yourself and/or arrange for others to help with it or do it for you. When finished, feel free redirect the page to the article you feel most appropriate as a target, since it is a plausible search query.

Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
00:09 UTC Mon		May 26, 2014

Re: TOR

Okay, I will look into it. --Darth Nospher (talk) 17:16, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Meter (canon)

Hi Cade! When you have the occasion, could you RoboCade the links to the "meter" redirect so I can create the canon article? Thanks in advance. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 11:17, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yavin/Yavin Prime

Hi Cade! Could I ask you to RoboCade the remaining occurrences of "Yavin" that link to the canon Yavin instead of Yavin Prime? I made some of them manually, but it's way too fastidious. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 14:39, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Season 6 Canon/Legends

Hi Cade! I wanted to know whether we're going to have the two tabs for everything that only appeared in the Lost Missions, since the two tabs will probably look absolutely identical. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 16:35, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, we are; however, they're not going to be identical; a lot of stuff doesn't have canon names, so the articles will use different names in the text. Cade Calrayn 16:38, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
  • Roger that. I don't think articles such as "coven" or "Balc (language)" are going to look any different, though—except for the BTS. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 16:44, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

"Creature articles that have yet to be recategorized"

Hi Cade -- I'm presuming RoboCade's recent "Adding temporary mass-category for use in overhauling the categorization of creatures" wasn't supposed to be for sentient species, correct? If not, I'll remove it from any sentient species I noticed it on. Thanks, —Silly Dan _(talk) 18:23, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, Mammalian sentient species got caught in that because it was a subcat of Mammals. There's several hundred; I'll remove it when I get home tonight with RoboCade. Cade Calrayn 18:25, June 2, 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I'll wait for your bot to do that. It also caught the articles in Category:Ewoks, FWIW. —Silly Dan _(talk) 18:36, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Diet categories

Hi Cade. Kudos for the great work you're doing with the species categories! It's a real huge project, and I'm eager to see it completed. :-) Little question here: since you do use the term "piscivorous" (as opposed to "fish-eating"), why don't you use "ergovorous" instead of "energy-eating?" Cheers. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 18:23, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

• Huh. Didn't even know that was a word. Thanks, I'll change it. Cade Calrayn 18:25, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • My pleasure. Please note that I had originally written ergAvorous when it really is ergOvorous. The diet article also lists the silicavorous and saprophagous diets, but maybe you already planned on adding those too. :-) --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 18:28, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cadegorization

Thank you Cade, for doing all the great work you are doing with the creature categories, and for not spamming the CAN page. Sorting out the creature categories is a huge undertaking. Here's something to keep you going. 501st dogma^(talk) 18:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Imperial Listening Post

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Question about Edit on Timeline of Legends media

Hello, I am just curious about the reasons behind the edit you just made to the Timeline of Legends media page. I am trying to modify the code to make it more readable. It shouldn’t affect the contents of the page at all. I’m just trying to make the page easier to maintain. The edit you made seemed to introduce a bit of inconsistency. All the other sections are “Old Republic era”, “Rebellion era”, etc. It seems inconsistent to have one simply called “Before the Republic” instead of “Before the Republic era”. I’m hoping to avoid any conflicts. Thanks.
—Eшσҡ $їтӈ Lōяƌ 17:37, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

• The name "Before the Republic era" is a fanon designation that's the result of an anon creating the era article. All material refers to it simply as "Before the Republic", rather than "Before the Republic era", so consistency isn't really a factor when using the word era is factually wrong. Cade Calrayn 17:39, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay. Thanks. You know, if we could somehow create templates for this stuff, then you’d only have to make a change in one place instead of the countless pages that maybe refer to it. Just a thought.
    

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Thank you

I would like to thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. Over the past few years, it has been great to have another TOR fan around.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 01:06, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Greenputt Governing Council

I AM STOOPID! :P

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01:48 UTC Wed		June 11, 2014

Sand demon

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Re: Barsen'thor

Yeah, I know there's quite a few linking issues. It's the next step on my to-do list. I'm going to go through the entire article one more time to fix any outstanding issues. Thanks for the heads-up on those. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 20:21, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Look it been confirmed that Star wars rebel from the roleplaying, te link provided and the report in The Examiner claims that Rebels will include, the Sienar Fleet, then there was commercial for sstar wars rebel that make reference to the inquisitorious all of which were originally introduced to the Star Wars universe through the West End Games Star Wars RPG.

So that mean we should be VERY careful on how we treat that section

Inq Meeting 64

Inquisitorius Meeting 64 has been scheduled for Saturday, June 28 at 7 PM EST. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 18:13, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

• Make that Friday 27 June at 7 PM EST or Saturday 28 June at 12 AM UTC. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 16:28, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars Rebels: Sabine My Rebel Sketchbook article

Hello Cade, could you please explain in more detail why you tagged the Star Wars Rebels: Sabine My Rebel Sketchbook article for deletion? The book it is referencing seems perfectly legitimate, so it follows that there should be an article for it. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 20:27, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

• The author of the article (hidden behind proxies) is Darth Pickle 2, a banned sockpuppeteer who is notorious for creating shoddy articles on anything he finds on Amazon; standard procedure nowadays when he creates an article via a proxy IP is to delete the article. In addition, the name of the Amazon book is almost always different, if not radically so, from the finished product. Cade Calrayn 20:58, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • Nevertheless, regardless of the circumstances behind its creation, I don't see any reason why the article should be tagged for immediate deletion. We'll deal with Pickle when the need arises, but I feel a scorched-earth campaign is overkill, especially since the article would just be recreated at some later time. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 20:47, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

TCW season subtitles

Hey there, I noticed you reverted my addition of the subtitles to the article although I don't quite understand the reasoning behind it. The Lost Missions is the subtitle of Season 6 (the official press release specifically calls it "the sixth and final season" and its iTunes page identifies it as such as well). And like for the previous seasons, the subtitle is usually the tagline of the respective marketing campaign, which in the case of Season 5 is Who Will Fall? (although in this case I can understand that it's open to interpretation). May I revert the edit (at least the part regarding Season 6)? Alexrd (talk) 11:57, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

• No, because other than that "sixth and final season" thing, The Lost Missions is never called Season 6 or anything like that. It's not considered an actual season, which is why it was released under the subtitle rather than "Season 6". Cade Calrayn 12:02, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • Not considered an actual season? Do you have a source? Since it's defined as sixth and final season on its official press release, I'd say it's officially considered an actual season. The fact that it's also being sold as such on iTunes (under Lucasfilm's approval), is further evidence of that. I'm not saying that Season Six is not called The Lost Missions, I'm saying that that is its subtitle. Alexrd (talk) 13:12, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I tried to reword my edits but you not look very cooperative to improve the editing, instead canceling all, I'm invite you to reconsider your attitude, I'm seriously considered stop edit this wiki

Timeline of canon media dates

Yes, the new canon does not have a defined dating system yet, but the timelines have never been exactly defined for all media and contain original research (the template I was in the process of added when you undid my revert) and uncertain dates. The dates are extremely useful for a general user's perspective on the universe and belong on the timeline, whether or not they have been confirmed by the powers that be.

I was also going to add a disclaimer that the dates are unverified and subject to change. Plus, whether or not there is a defined dating system, dates relative to the Battle of Yavin are unlikely to change in the new canon. Remove the hyperlinks if you want (especially as they point to Legends articles), but not all that info. Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 13:40, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

• We can't add them because, at this point, it's speculation. There could potentially be a compromise where it would say, for example, "22 years before the Battle of Yavin" as a general timeline, but actually saying "BBY" and "ABY" would be speculation because those are—for now—only Legends terms. However, that compromise is complicated by the fact that, without the Legends dating system, we don't actually know what years a lot of these stories take place. We know what order must of them take place in, but not how many years before the Battle of Yavin that many of them take place. So for now, it would be best to leave the years off of the page. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 14:47, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
  • Precisely. Cade Calrayn 14:49, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
  • I strongly disagree that it would be best to leave the dates off the page. The dates on the media timelines have always been semi-speculative and give a helpful relative perspective between events. I don't mind adding "circa/c." to every date, removing links to the Legends articles for dates, and adding a caveat at the beginning of the article saying that dates are unconfirmed. BBY and ABY aren't just Legends terms, they are abbreviations for OOU perspective as well. Saying "22 BBY" is the same as saying "22 years before the Battle of Yavin", so long as it's not linked to the Legends article for the date. An additional note can be added that "BBY means years before the battle of Yavin" if need be. Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 16:24, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
    • Except that those dates are Legends. All of the years and time differences were established by the Expanded Universe; there's nothing to suggest in NuCanon that there's 19 years between the trilogies. Cade Calrayn 16:39, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
      • Not only that but, even as a list, that page is an encyclopedic entry. It would not be appropriate to add unconfirmed/speculative information, no matter how helpful it may seem to do so. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 16:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
        • There is plenty to suggest that there are ~19 years between the trilogies (Luke and Leia's age). As far as an encyclopedic entry, the old Timeline of media and current Timeline of Legends media has always had the {{Original_research}} template to indicate that there is unverified research involved, because until the (very) unlikely day that someone at Lucasfilm decides to organize all types of media into one timeline, there will always be unconfirmed/speculative information on this page. Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 18:12, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
          • We deal in explicit confirmations, not suggestions. And the presence of an {{Original research}} tag does not give you license to add more original research; on the contrary, you should remove what original research is already present.

            Master Jonathan		Council Chambers
            18:17 UTC Fri		June 20, 2014

            • In general, yes, original research and unverified claims should be removed. However, doing so on the timeline pages (especially with dates that are likely to be confirmed anyways at some future time) and removing very useful and informative data reduces the quality and effectiveness of the article and creates more work in the future.
              I made the changes I referred to above here. If you guys can't live with these changes (or some close variant), then I'm dropping the issue and you can deal with the users who edit the other timelines when you remove those dates too. Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 18:55, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

TOR armor

Hey Cade I've been think of making a CT about what we should do in terms of articles for TOR armor but thought I'd swing it by you first since your the resident TOR expert. As far as I can tell there are four groups of armor, the generic default class armors from quests which is stuff like Deadeye's Jacket and such, the random drops which have a variable company/group name at the front then a type of armor like Ithorian mariner's loose wrap although with duplicates, the crafting armor which is just stuff like Heavy Assault boots and finally the commendations armor, some of which has designations like TD-05A Marksman gloves although a lot of which can be grouped in more with the quest stuff. The options I would give are that all of it gets articles, none of it gets articles or just the designated stuff from commendations gets articles (which is what I think we did with weapons). I could also add something about adding the overall armor type from the random stuff - like instead of Ithorian mariner's loose wrap we would have a loose wraps article and then list each of the groups which you can get it under on its page since there are multiple random groups who can make each type. I personally would support the designation only, but I feel this is something we should decide as a community instead of just one or two of us choosing. It will also decide the fate of the various articles I already made a while back. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this or if you already had plans for something that this would get in the way of. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:56, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

• I really don't think it's necessary to make articles for any of the armors. It's a slippery slope to do any of them, and those designation armors actually are just alphanumeric designations that aren't unique—several sets share the same designation with a different adjective/word following it. Plus, we already have 3450 redlinks; there's really no reason to add hundreds more when the armors aren't really notable or pass the game-mechanics test. Cade Calrayn 12:16, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • Hmm I hadn't realised the designated armors were duplicated. In that case your probably right and it isn't worth doing any of them. Fell free to delete the various clothing articles I made a while back then. I'll mark them for deletion now. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:40, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Whats the big idea removing everything I wrote on Grey Delisle page? I spent all evening on it

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SwampGhost79

Medal o' Bravery in SWTOR

Hey Cade! I see that you just added SWTOR to the appearances section of "Medal of Bravery." Could you tell me where it appears in the game? I plan on rewriting the article some day. Thanks. ;-) --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 12:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Appearances

"Additionally, most of the links in the Appearances list should not be changed to canon links as they are not named in the new canon."

What exactly do you mean not named in the new canon? I'm fairly certain we know Yoda's name, and that he appeared in that episode and therefore is a part of the new canon.

Cevan (talk) 00:36, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

• Could I get a response? Cevan (talk) 00:01, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Ord Mantell

No, the Consular does not go to Ord Mantell at any point of the storyline. Seems to be cut content, indeed. That's interesting. Thanks for the catch. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 13:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Satele Shan

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Corr (Cold War)

The article Corr is should be moved to the title suggested in the section headline. --Rakhsh (talk) 15:35, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

• Why, exactly? Cade Calrayn 15:40, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
  • You had made a redlink in the 'Appearances' section of Star Wars: The Old Republic named Corr (Cold War), replacing the original link.--Rakhsh (talk) 15:45, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
  • It appeared to be a redlink, just so you know. If you've fixed it, thank you, Cade.--Rakhsh (talk) 15:50, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Uploads again

Hello, I haven't been on here awhile so I forgot some of the stuff when it comes to uploading images and if you look at the file, I have corrected myself. I would appreciate it if you gave me a few minutes to correct myself before coming to me in the future. Please be patient. Thanks.--Darth Pythonis ^(Talk) 20:44, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Blade Squadron

Alright, thank you for clarifying. I was unaware a statement in the issue had been made, as the official statement released on Star Wars' site only said that TCW and the movies were canon at the moment, not Insider.

Cevan (talk) 15:48, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Canon Tags

But how could TCW be part of both continuities? They said that TCW is specifically canon, not Legends.Darth Pythonis ^(Talk) 21:29, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

• Please read our canon policy. TCW and the films are both Legends and NuCanon. Cade Calrayn 21:47, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

WookieeProject Aliens

Hi Cade. Thought I'd leave you a note on the addition of the WP:AS tag to sand demon. The idea of WP:AS is that it encompasses all sentient or semi-sentient species that achieve status. It therefore includes any articles written prior to the formation of the project, or whether an author is formally a part of the project or not. Accordingly if a user goes to WP:AS there are links to all Semi/sentient species that are given status. It is intended to claiming any credit for the article but can be a signal to members to contribute to maintaining its status if that is relevant. Since the sand demon is semi-sentient, I added the tag. Do you object to it being there? --Eyrezer (talk) 02:43, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Except that that's not how a WookieeProject works. You can't claim articles that aren't nominated as part of/by users that aren't participating in a project. That's why DarthRevan's attempt to claim several dozen existing status articles when he started WP:Novels was denied. Cade Calrayn 04:01, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
  • Can you point me to the discussion of this, because it seems needlessly uncollaborative for a community-based wiki. --Eyrezer (talk) 10:31, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
    • Okay, after a step back and some discussion with other users, I understand why you tagged it and I'm fine with that. However, I do think that it'd be beneficial if WP:AS had sections on its article pages for articles promoted by users outside of the project, like WP:TCW and WP:TOR do, for example. It just came across as rather cheap (at the time) for you to tag and claim an article that wasn't involved in WP:AS at all. But it's all good now. Cade Calrayn 13:09, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks Cade. I'll re-add the tag then, with your blessing. We have marked articles from outside the signed-up project members with "Guest nomination" and I'll make sure to include that next to yours. Regards --Eyrezer (talk) 00:13, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Images

Hey Cade, thanks for the advice. Sorry for using JPGs I was just going by what it said in the Image policy but will now change format. I'm not sure what else I can do to increase quality as I have the game on the highest settings. As for the categories did I not add all the correct categories to my last image, I may have misunderstood the new TOR categories? Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:23, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

• Fair enough; I didn't notice the categories you added. I'm going through all of the TOR images, and there are many that don't have categories. Thanks. Cade Calrayn 17:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
• Ok will do. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:39, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
  • Oops, my bad that was a copy and paste error. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:42, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
    • Are the replacement images better or would you prefer them further out still. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:45, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars: The Old Republic

You removed the link to Quesh system in Star Wars: The Old Republic/Appearances. The Quesh system does appear in Star Wars: The Old Republic.--Rakhsh (talk) 20:23, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I checked the 'Appearances' section, and Torture isn't listed.--Rakhsh (talk) 20:17, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

EC

It appears to me that you were somehow annoyed by my edits regarding Keshk. I sincerely apologize for my edits and will refrain from doing so in the future. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 00:02, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry man I thought I was. Do you know of any YouTube tutorials or somewhere I can get advice on how? Sorry....I'm trying to learn as I go but as you can see that's pissing people off. I'm know that's not very responsible. I shall continue to do small edits and such for now. I shall learn the ways of Wiki editing! sorry...

Nivlacanator (I don't even know how to sign my name...

Shuffling

"So—are you still worried about being sent to the Agricultural Corps?" Shafu has been approved by the AgriCorps and awarded Good status. Feel free to add the {{User GA}} template to your userpage to acknowledge your hard work. The AgriCorps thanks you for your efforts, and looks forward to future nominations from you! — Winterz (talk) 23:49, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

== RE: CAnoms

==

Hey Cade, yeah I realised after I nom'd that that I had quite a few noms up and won't do any more. I'm not sure I'd call it batch noming since most of the nominations had a day or more between them but still message taken onboard. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:06, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you undo my star wars clone wars contribution?, i mean i didn't lie about anything. Jorgito me lo pinto (talk) 18:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Backup link for the Hyperspace template

Hey Cade. Can you help me make a backup parameter for the Hyperspace template?--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 03:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

TOR images

Hi Cade, I notice your uploading different versions of a lot of the images I've recently uploaded. While some of them are arguably better quality than mine, a lot of them are pretty much of equal quality with very little difference, for example the image of Shrokti. I feel like this duplicate uploading isn't really achieving a lot and is probably wasting both of our time. While I hugely appreciate all the work you've done on the huge amount of TOR images we have, you needn't shoulder the burden alone, and so please stop replacing images unnecessarily. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:44, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

• I'm selective when it comes to uploading new images, but your categorization is still rather shoddy. Most of your images are unnecessarily dark, such as Shrokti. I have plenty more images that I haven't uploaded new versions of and won't, but I will when it is necessary. Cade Calrayn 18:49, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
  • Ok, I'll try and be more careful with lighting in future. Sorry about the categorization I'll make sure to check back to any corrections you've made and apply them in future. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:54, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Quit changing my edit its true ezra does have an akward attraction if u read da visual guide smart one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anakin Skywalker/Canon

I thouught I had changed things enough, the article is still a work in progress for me. Matt Seay (talk) 02:19, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Stalgasin hive spire

(AvatarfanSLO (talk) 19:20, August 7, 2014 (UTC)) Hi, I just made a new page for the Stalgsin hive spiral. I've noticed that you popped a confirmation tablet on the top of the page. I'm just wondering does that mean, that just the name is false, should be chainged or is it just unconfirmed, or is the whole page wrong. I just want to check, so please don't be offended if you think that my question is too trivial. You must realist that I don't have nearly as much experience on Woookiepedia as you. Best regards!

Communications Droid Category

I'm guessing that you reverted my edits due to the fact that all of these are already listed under the CZ category. A more detailed explanation would be appreciated in the future. Still, I feel that these articles belong in that category for completion sake.AV-6R7^{User talk:AV-6R7} 22:38, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

• Seeing your edit, I'd like to thank you. I'm inexperienced with categories.AV-6R7^{User talk:AV-6R7} 23:03, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. --Wookieedude12 (talk) 22:15, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

why did you undo my article edit, though? I didn't make up anything

i forgot to sign it. sorry --Wookieedude12 (talk) 22:22, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

My edit to the Gareth Edwards page

Hello, I see you undid my edit to the Gareth Edwards page, and I want to know why you did that. Changing link to the wiki that specializes in Godzilla over Wikipedia (which to my very honest experience, is often wrong concerning Godzilla information [which is easily provable]) will not hurt Wookieepedia in any way. I feel "Unnecessary" is not quite an appropriate reason to have undone my edit. Thank you for your time, and I'll be waiting for a response. Titanollante ^{( roar to me! | my footprints! )} 02:14, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you undo my edit? --Wookieedude12 (talk) 00:09, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Alton Castle

Thanks for your help. I accidentally added no appearances/sources initially, but I corrected it a few minutes later. Anyhow, it's formatted perfectly fine. Castle only appears on that one website, so there's almost nothing to add, hence the stub. CloneMarshalCommanderCody (talk) 02:25, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Stormtrooper

My stormtrooper page may be an unidentified one, but it does not mean it is a "candidate for speedy deletion" as this captain might have a designation or a name. Therefore, we should probably see what he turns up as in the near future.—Unsigned comment by Jellymastah (talk • contribs)

Airbrush

What categories would it fall under exactly? Not really sure on specifics. Matt Seay (talk) 16:09, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Regulations

Well, Cade, since you're uploading so many pics and articles on SWTOR, I wonder if you could make articles based on every Republic regulation Dorne has, just to make sure that rules are rules in the military. What do you say to that? Lord KOT (talk) 00:42, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker/Canon

I have been updating the Canon article for Anakin SKywalker, with info form the clone wars. I was wondering if you could help me with my quest? Matt Seay (talk) 00:50, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Order 66

Are murders committed by Darth Vader during that time not considered part of Order 66? Matt Seay (talk) 22:33, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

• Alright thanks for ansering my question. The Legends article needs to be changed then, if there is no confirmation that they are a clan. I understand. What about Bene? Matt Seay (talk) 22:59, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

"Waiting til a US release? Bullshit."

Waiting til "US Release" for A New Dawn

Going on record, that is without a shadow of a doubt, the stupidest thing I've ever heard. THIS IS THE INTERNET. It's international! Also advanced copies are already available IN the US. You could probably import it from Canada or the UK. In the realms of cyberspace, if somebody has information on something, IN an international market such as a wiki, you are obligated to fact check (provided the person in question can provide said evidence, to which btw he can) and THEN post it. US Release. Doesn't stop every other wiki from posting spoilers and stuff when it gets released in the UK, heck even this own site's notorious for it. Bottom line, if it's available to the public, then likewise, UPDATE. REGARDLESS --The Blitzkrieg (talk) 00:00, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sabine Pictures

I was beginning to think my edits weren't being saved. Are the pictures being removed form the article because there is not enough room? Matt Seay (talk) 00:36, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Screenshots JPG to PNG

I have noticed that lately you replaced many SWTOR screenshots from JPG to PNG. Do you want me to update all the screenshots that I uploaded with PNG versions? Btw is there any policy regarding that? I always assumed JPG was the preferred version for websites since it takes considerably less space on the server and it is more convenient for users to load them when viewing the articles. Path-x (talk) 02:09, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cade yes and just replied with the verification, thanks YoungBossk (talk) 22:51, August 29, 2014 (UTC)YoungBossk

Another SWTOR short story

[1]--Rakhsh (talk) 16:44, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

• Could you make an article for this story?--Rakhsh (talk) 23:27, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

The Imprisoned One link

I didn't realize that they had deleted the page (which literally had just been created). Sorry for causing trouble with that.

KyranEllis (talk) 17:20, September 6, 2014 (UTC)KyranEllisKyranEllis (talk) 17:20, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Property of Ezra Bridger/Not What You Think

Here is my source for the redirect of Not What You Think: http://www.starwars.com/video/star-wars-rebels-not-what-you-think-short

Is that acceptable enough for me to redo my edits?

--{{SUBST:Dentsig}} 23:50, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

I was banned but somehow I was not.

Cade, I was banned by someone for "bypassing global block". I use hola which you can use to change your IP and I keep it on and forget to turn it off on wookiepedia. I am using hola right now to get a message to you that I was banned for something i did not do. If somehow i am still guilty then punish me. I left a message on my talk page saying that I would only edit minor pages and... just check my talk page to see.--RazulAntiwield (talk) 07:34, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cade as a new user I'm unable to upload new images so wondered if you could upload this image for me to Master Thared's page? Thanks http://postimg.org/image/o9ne1rqyx/4be8d953/

YoungBossk (talk) 20:31, September 7, 2014 (UTC)YoungBossk

Droid Tri-Fighter

Hello Cade Calrayn. Why did you remove my Droid Tri-Fighter edits?—Unsigned comment by Tri-Fighter (talk • contribs)

Re Tri-Fighter

Why did you not respond to my Droid Tri-Fighter page?

Info on some pages being deleted

I've noticed that on a couple of pages, two being the Ugors and the Nazren, the info in the little box has been deleted. I don't think anyone is supposed to do that, and it is not within my power to revert it as far as I know. I assume you are a mod and can figure out what's going on.

I also need help finding something. I can't figure out where I'm supposed to ask, so this will have to do. There is an image of a tower showing the various floors. Apparently it could allow one to see the future. Palpatine had it destroyed by a pirate group. If you can find the image, for the love of all that's holy give me the link. I've been all over trying to find it. I know it exists.

Near-sighted Jedi (talk) 05:25, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Changes Made by RoboCade to Person Template

When I was editing some person pages just now, I noticed that fields such as "Biographical information" and "Career" on the infoboxes were instead being displayed as "{{Section}}." For some reason, a change was made by RoboCade that deleted most of the code from that template. Not sure what the reasoning behind the change was, but since it seems to have broken the infobox, I've restored the template to the August version. Which I see you've now reverted back. Anyway, that's the issue. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:05, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, and now it seems to be fixed, so I guess we're good. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:06, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, it was just a simple matter of the section titles being passed to the wrong variables; it's fixed now. Cade Calrayn 19:06, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox overlapping text

Cade, I am attempting to make a major edit to the infobox of the Battle of Umbara, but in the preview the infobox overlaps the text. I have already asked how to fix it on the article's talk page and also asked Trip, with no response for 2 days now.--RazulAntiwield (talk) 03:59, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

RoboCade issue

Hey, so I noticed that when RoboCade was fixing the infobox for X-wing starfighter, it accidentally removed the ending braces, breaking the infobox. I fixed it, but I don't know if it's done that with any other articles. You might want to check on that. Tomari7 (talk) 08:29, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

RoboCade request

Hey Cade, I was wondering if you could get RoboCade to add some things to all the TV episode articles? The two things I had in mind are a Template:Credits scroll box to the cast sections, and a bibliography section (for Ewoks and Droids only) containing {{InsiderCite|27|A Star Wars CELibration}} Adamwankenobi (talk) 21:47, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

{{Television episode}} error

Hey Cade. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but {{Television episode}} isn't correctly displaying episode names, and as far as I can tell, it started happening after you and Tope it a few days back. I believe it's something to do with the fact that the template uses a "title" field and {{Infocell}} has a "name" field instead, but since I'm not familiar with Infocell, I'll leave it up to you to fix. Thanks. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:52, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, you're right; it's cause I based that off the television series infobox. It's an easy fix - just change "show name" to "title" in that Infocell|type=heading template. It's protected, so I can't do it myself. Cade Calrayn 23:56, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've taken care of it. Thanks. CC7567 ^(talk) 00:47, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • Another thing: episode titles need to be non-italicized, but {{Infocell}} automatically italicizes them. Is there a way to remedy that? CC7567 ^(talk) 00:48, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars Rebels Editing

Hello Cade, I wanted to update images such as this: https://www.facebook.com/starwarsrebels/photos/a.230754950414469.1073741828.180356405454324/337740889715874/?type=1&relevant_count=1

https://www.facebook.com/starwarsrebels/photos/a.230754950414469.1073741828.180356405454324/335301193293177/?type=1&relevant_count=1

https://www.facebook.com/starwarsrebels/photos/a.230754950414469.1073741828.180356405454324/339441652879131/?type=1&relevant_count=1

To update the Star wars rebels pages, but I can't upload pictures, so could you do it for me and then send me the address?

Thanks, Pedronog (talk) 20:52, September 15, 2014 (UTC)Pedronog

Sorry for that, but the images could go to the phantom page, because there is no image of it, to the bo-rifle page cause there's no image too, and the other to the cannon galatic empire page.

Please delete the copy of the canon version of Cornelius Evazan immediately!

I created a copy of the canon version of Cornelius Evazan by mistake. I request that you delete it immediately. I already added a speedy deletion tag to the page. AdamDeanHall (talk) 19:40, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

How to help

Do you have something that I could do? I wish I could help the wookieepedia... —Unsigned comment by Pedronog (talk • contribs)

can you please add the image of the cartoon version of the stormtroopers from 1986 star wars:ewoks episode battle for the sunstar when latara encounters two Stormtroopers

Star Wars: The Old Republic

The article has been tagged with "inuse" since at least July. Just wondering about that because it's highly unusual for an article to be tagged with that for so long. Shall we go ahead and clear that out? Your last edit was on the 9th. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:41, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

• Hmmm. I thought I changed that to a {{WIP}}, which is what it should be - the plot summary and most sections are unfinished.. I'll change it. Cade Calrayn 17:44, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Moraband

Just out of curiosity, how come the edit was reverted entirely? We may differ in opinion, but the opening sentence just sounds off.

Nevermind. I'll change it to be neutral.

Darth Ravigious (talk) 23:16, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm new here, so just let me know if I do anything wrong. I re-edited the Moraband article and made it NPOV. I imagine it was due to the adjectives I put in.

The wording of the old article did not seem very good, in my opinion. If you disagree, just change it.

Darth Ravigious (talk) 23:29, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

ur robots name

sounds ghey —Unsigned comment by Super Saiyan 7 Somebody (talk • contribs)

Hello Cade Calrayn, I am Generalfacu. I recently edited wrongly the pages about the Death Star (DS-1 Orbital Battle Station) and the Death Star II. What I edited is not wrong, but HOW I edited is. I want to tell you and ask for your help. If you would be so kind to edit both pages again, but in the apropiate way. But...what did I do? Ok. I added to the text the technical name of the Death Star, e.g. "Mk.1 deep-space battle station" for the First Death Star. This information is official as it appears in the book Star Wars Complete Cross-Sections. Thank you for your attention. Generalfacu (talk) 01:11, September 22, 2014 (UTC)Generalfacu

Warrior Storyline

And why, may I ask, did you delete that article? It was not, as you say "unnecessary." It was taken from the Old Republic Wiki.

Darth Ravigious (talk) 15:02, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Bounty Hunter Article

As is used in the Darth Nox article, I found an official BioWare picture of a generic bounty hunter class character that we could potentially use for Scree. Due to the fact that it is in full armour, helmet included, disguising both gender and race, could I run it by you? It could potentially be used as the main picture in the article.

Darth Ravigious (talk) 16:32, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

• No. It's still speculation. The only reason the Darth Nox picture is used is because that helmet is an integral part of the class's storyline and must be owned at least once. Cade Calrayn 16:34, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Alrighty, mate. Thanks. And I apologize if I've caused any trouble or alleged "vandalization" for any of the articles here. I'll start consulting with you guys before making any further changes to make your guys's work easier as mods.

Darth Ravigious (talk) 16:37, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Leaks

I just want to know if Disney has said anything about these leaks of the stormtroopers. I know they are most likely fake but I friend in a Facebook group who insists they got them from a friend who is working on the film and I think they are fake. Because as we know the Millennium Falcon leak was commented on by JJ Abrams in a humorus note that he tweeted. Is there any info about Disney or LucasFilm acknowledging this? Matt Seay (talk) 18:04, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know, and you have been told numerous times to stop asking on the talk page. Both the Talkheader and the Episode warning templates state that we do not know, and to stop asking. Do so again and you will likely face administrative action. Cade Calrayn 18:08, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

All I was wanting to know was official stuff. I am trying to separate fact and fan speculation before something false winds up on the Episode VII article. I am just looking out for the wiki. But as I have said before I will stop editing all together if that is what people want. Matt Seay (talk) 18:12, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

Congrats !

Just wanted to congrats you for you new position ! You deserved it and i'm sure that, the wook will even get better (if it's possible) with you as an administrator :P--Emperor Jarjarkine Senate Hall 00:10, September 27, 2014 (UTC)