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Pywikipedia bot error
Hey Xwing328. I tried setting up my new laptop to run C-3PO...and I'm running into that login error that popped up months ago. After confirming that the password is correct a number of times, login.py continues to fail. Do you remember the fix? --SparqMan Talk 22:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Hey SparqMan. Find the line that looks something like
if len(L) == 4:Change the== 4to>= 4and it should work. —Xwing328(Talk) 22:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Swell, that did the trick. Now I just need to get category.py to actually run instead of just printing the contents of the script when prompted with "category.py move". Grr. --SparqMan Talk 20:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Try
category.py move -from:Category:XXX -to:Category:YYYI haven't moved any for awhile, but I think that's the right syntax. —Xwing328(Talk) 21:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Seems like any syntax attempt is generating print. I'll fiddle around with it. --SparqMan Talk 23:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 12th/13th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan(Talk) 03:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Bot stuff
Is the "Cleanup, Formatting, Template fixes" thing a custom-written script? I notice it hasn't been run since September, and I'd like to use it on a few pages on a case-by-case basis now that I have a working bot. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 06:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's custom written for fixes.py. I'll see if I can clean it up some, then I'll post it so you can work with it if you want. —Xwing328(Talk) 23:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- I just added the main portion of the script to User:Xwing328/Pywikipedia. Add it to your fixes.py file. You can run it on a specific page with:
replace.py -fix:wookieepedia -page:PAGENAME—Xwing328(Talk) 00:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)- Excellent, thanks. And I have just found that the line
'exceptions': [''],needs to be removed if you're running a recent Pywikipedia SVN version or it crashes. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 01:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)- I usually just have it commented out. I guess I've never actually tried running it with nothing between the brackets. —Xwing328(Talk) 02:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ah. I just ran it like it was on your subpage. Either way, it works. That's all I care about. Thanks! :-) -- Darth Culator (Talk) 03:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I usually just have it commented out. I guess I've never actually tried running it with nothing between the brackets. —Xwing328(Talk) 02:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks. And I have just found that the line
Wookieepedia:Published Works Improvement Project
Do you mind if I help make articles for the redlinks in Cloak of Deception and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter?-- Darth Skirata 20px (Talk) 23:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would appreciate it. Thanks! —Xwing328(Talk) 23:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- No problem. -- Darth Skirata 20px (Talk) 12:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
New bot issue
I know I must be getting on your nerves by now, but can you look at [1] and tell me why it's adding that div all of a sudden? I haven't updated my SVN copy of pywikipedia since before the 1.12 upgrade, so it's somehow related. At the very least, it should be possible to code a find-and-replace string that will delete it when found, but my attempts to do that have failed. Thanks! -- Darth Culator (Talk) 03:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- I haven't been able to figure out why it's doing that. I tested mine, and it doesn't seem to have that problem, and I haven't updated pywikipedia in quite some time. Here's a line to try messing around with in fixes.py. I'm not sure where all of the \'s for escape sequences need to go, but if I have time later, I'll test it out:
(r'', r''),—Xwing328(Talk) 15:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC) - OK, well this line will work, but it might give you false matches, which would be pretty annoying (ie: it'll say it found a match and delete it, but there won't really be anything there). Hopefully somebody will update Pywikipedia if this doesn't work:
(r'<div id=\"wikia-credits\"><br /><br /><small>From \[\[wikia:c:starwars\|Wookieepedia\]\], a \[\[wikia:\|Wikia\]\] wiki.</small></div>', r''),—Xwing328(Talk) 20:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Inquisitorius
If you're interested in continuing to be a part of the Inquisitorius review panel, please step up your activity on the Featured article nominations page. If for some reason you are unable or unwilling to do this, I ask that you please step down as an Inquisitor, thus opening a slot for other potential Inq candidates. Thank you. --Imperialles 14:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Inq request
It would be very much appreciated if you could take a look at Citadel Station's FAN. It's only got one more vote to go before it can become Featured. Thanks in advance.--Goodwood 20px (Alliance Intelligence) 01:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'll try to get to it after 5 today. —Xwing328(Talk) 16:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks mate.--Goodwood 20px (Alliance Intelligence) 17:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- If the issues surrounding Falynn Sandskimmer's nomination have been addressed, would you mind striking your objections? Thanks. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 00:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- I struck the main bullet - figured that would show that I struck all of them. But I'll strike the rest to make it more obvious. —Xwing328(Talk) 03:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I appreciate it. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 03:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- I struck the main bullet - figured that would show that I struck all of them. But I'll strike the rest to make it more obvious. —Xwing328(Talk) 03:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 23rd/24th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan(Talk) 16:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Project Wormhead, March edition
Mailing list
Hey, Xwing. I've set up a private administrator mailing list to help coordinate the current administrators of the site, and I am attempting to contact each administrator to get them to subscribe. You can subscribe here. My point with setting up this mailing list to get all of the administrators of Wookieepedia operating on the same page, and in a more unified fashion. Regardless of any personal differences that may exist between some members, I still feel that it is important that we are all operating on the same level, with regards to knowledge of the site, and new/upcoming stuff that is going to happen—so, basically, this is an attempt to coordinate us all in an effort to help keep us on the same page with regards to new policies, new ideas, announcements, discussions, etc. In my opinion, we're all on the same team and this will only help us to be a more organized and cohesive working unit—even more so than we currently are. I've already spoken with a few admins via IRC, and they have liked my point of this whole thing, and have thus signed up—I would really appreciate it you could do likewise :) Any questions about this, you know where you can reach me. Cheers, Greyman
(Talk) 16:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Inq meeting
Hey, just letting you know that Meeting Sixteen has now been scheduled. Your attendance and input would be appreciated. Cheers, Greyman
(Talk) 04:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
April edition
Published Works Improvement Project
I think you should put Star Wars Episode I:The Novel under past projects. It only has one redlink. Cactuar83 20px (Yoda's Hut) 23:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- Done. —Xwing328(Talk) 02:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Can you add another project to the list? Cactuar83 20px (Yoda's Hut) 23:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sure thing! —Xwing328(Talk) 04:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
- Also could replace Dark Rival with something? Cactuar83 20px (Yoda's Hut) 14:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Request
Hey, Xwing. I noticed on your collection subpage here that you have listed Star Wars Insider 26, 27, and 28. Now, I assume since you have them struck through that that means you have them? :P If you do happen to have those three, I'm looking for an article that spans the three of them in a three part series. If you do have them, could you let me know? Thanks, Greyman
(Talk) 23:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Grey, the ones struck through on the list are the ones I don't have yet. Sorry :( I'll have access to 28 once I go home next Saturday and can get you whatever information you want from that. —Xwing328(Talk) 01:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Could you get your bot to change all links to "A Resistance Within" to "The Resistance Within"? Thanks, --Eyrezer 11:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Inqmoot
Inq Meeting Seventeen has been scheduled. Your attendance is appreciated. Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Text
Yeah I don't know how that text got into that list on the Insider article. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
May edition
You serve your master well and you will be rewarded. |
Template
Hi i would like to know how to create templates. please answer me on my Discussion page User:Ayla Secura 20:13 14 May (UTC)
RE:Signature
Thanks for telling me to fix my signature. -Colonel Solo 20pxGalactic Alliance Gaurd 20:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Bot
In our Special pages we have an Uncategorized files list. It includes a large number of the images used for the random search icon. They all contain {{Notorphan|Template:Searchicons}}. I was wondering if it is possible to get a bot to add to all the pages with {{Notorphan|Template:Searchicons}} a [[Category:Search icons]] or some such to remove them from that list. Do you think that is possible? --Eyrezer 04:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'll check it out. —Xwing328(Talk) 05:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- I got 259 of them. Unless I notice some more that are easy to fix, any others will probably have to be done by hand. —Xwing328(Talk) 05:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- Fantastic. Much appreciated. --Eyrezer 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Insider 49
No, you're not missing a joke... My comment was merely stating that, since the CT I was objecting to would spell disaster for my FAN Willrow Hood (specifically, Willrow Hood#Sources), I'd need someone with 49 to help me make an article on The Ultimate Empire Strikes Back Insider's Guide, apparently an article in Insider 49. Muchos gracias. Jorrel
Fraajic 15:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Bot cat change
Could you use your bot to change all the "Category:Personnel of Moff Sarne’s forces" to "Category:Personnel of Moff Sarne's forces"? The ' is the difference... --Eyrezer 03:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well it wasn't as easy as normal because the category script had trouble with the apostrophe, but I got it taken care of. —Xwing328(Talk) 04:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Much appreciated! --Eyrezer 06:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Xwing. I removed the continuity section from Polyhedron 93 because it appears on the page for the actual article involved (here). That strikes me as the appropriate place for such a list. --Eyrezer 06:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Could you change [[Category:Letters]] to [[Category:Images of letters]] please? Cheers. --Eyrezer 11:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Typos
I am somewhat embarrassed about the number of corrections you made to Czulkang Lah. Not only am I English, and have yet to discover all the different American ways of spelling things, but I was also rushing to hammer out the article before I went away. Still, it's not really excusable as I see that a simple run through Microsoft Word or something would have made all the difference, something that I will always do in the future. Thanks for being patient and for your support. Harrar 10:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- No problem. Firefox underlines a lot of the words for me when they're misspelled anyways; of course, it also thinks a lot of the Star Wars names are wrong :P —Xwing328(Talk) 21:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
June
You serve your master well and you will be rewarded. |
64.253.119.216
Hello, could you please block/warn IP: 64.253.119.216, he/she keeps changing the Exile's gender to male. Thanks - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 16:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Ascension gun
- I was planing as merging this page with Grappling hook page I don't see why It shouldn't be any information my be nice thanks. I don't see how it cant be the same since the both say Luke used them to kill the same walker but as I said in the Senate Hall I concede.(Thunderer 06:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC))
- Battle of Hoth will need to be reworded thanks —Unsigned comment by Thunderer (talk • contribs)
Lucien Draay on the Jedi High Council
S'up man, name's Master Shannara and I was wondering if you could help me out with the template about the Jedi Council during the Mando Wars. Keep trying to add Draay to it but I dunno how to right. Mind helping me out? User:Master Shannara 06/06/08
Published Works Improvement Project
Jedi Apprentice: The Hidden Past has no redlinks. Can you replace it. Cactuar83 20px (Yoda's Hut) 00:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
GA
I've found another article for you to GA: Moss :p --Eyrezer 04:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Haha thanks ;) Maybe if I find some time I'll see what I can dig up. —Xwing328(Talk) 04:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Could you change all the Category:Images from Ewoks (Marvel) to Category:Images from Star Wars: Ewoks (Marvel)? Thanks --Eyrezer 13:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Inq18
- Is coming up within two days and your attendance would be appreciated. Please see the meeting page for more details. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 17:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Bot request
- Xwing, would it be possible to have Whistler move all the "X (language)" pages to "X language" per our recently closed thread on the matter? I think this is something that would be far easier to have a bot do. ;-) Thanks. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 15:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Inq Meeting Nineteen
Inq Meeting Nineteen has been scheduled for the 25th/26th of July. Your attendance is requested; if you are unable to attend, it would be appreciated if you could leave your thoughts on the agenda items with another Inquisitor or on the meeting page. :-) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 01:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Corran objections
Since I'm stuck as an anon, I can't edit the FAN page. I'll be addressing your objections here.
- That can happen when you're adding in facts as you read them from all kinds of different books and only synthesizing later. Their main link is chronological; the two events have to be next to each other. I've transitioned a little more, but if you still don't like it, I'll try splitting it into two paragraphs.
- It's not just a P&T thing; it's about events going on in his life, and his time in CorSec. Basically, it's about Horn settling into his job, so it has to go after he gets the job in the preceding paragraph, and as it's already a fact of his life before the Thyne bust, it gets put in before that rather than in the second "General CorSec" section after the bust. If you still want it changed up, I'll try splitting the preceding paragraph and putting his mother's death after it and tying it into his getting the job. Havac 20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, Ooryl was Rogue Ten. However, his callsign didn't seem that relevant for inclusion.
- I clarified that a little. Havac 16:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
FA Noms
Hey man! You were always helpful with my other FA noms, and was wondering if you would consider looking over my current noms for Andoorni Hui, Groznik and most notably, Gara Petothel. The latter one is long, but I think a good one. Let me know. Thanks! --Colinmcev 23:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've been super busy recently, and I'm also slowly working through Corran Horn for Havac, but if I get time, I will try to help. —Xwing328(Talk) 01:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Re:User talk:Graestan
Well, I didn't want to give anyone the impression they can't do what they want with it, since there will be no MOS restrictions. And I believe there are existing droid FAs with that arrangement, and no major issue with it as-is. I just didn't want to rule the one out, since no "winner" was declared. Graestan(Talk) 03:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Battle of Coruscant
Could you have a look at Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars) before August 17, please. Thank you. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well I'm just getting moved in after a week of vacation, so I haven't had any free time yet. Just catching up on my tons of emails... —Xwing328(Talk) 14:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Inqmoot
There will be an Inq meeting at midnight UTC, Saturday 6th/Sunday 7th September. Your attendance/input is welcomed. Cheers, -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Bot
Could you get your bot to change all links to Template:Galaxy to Template:GalaxyCite? I plan to use the former template for something else and moving it will standardise it with all the others. Cheers, --Eyrezer 07:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Galaxy
Whistler is doing one of the same things that caused me to stop trying to use a bot for the great Galaxy decapitation. Here, where it leaves "the" capitalized. I couldn't get it to only decapitalize "the" when it's not starting a sentence. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 21:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- That's what happens when people are stupid enough to capitalize the "The" to begin with. You could write a regex thing to help figure out if it's in the middle of a sentence or not, but I really don't think it's worth the trouble. —Xwing328(Talk) 21:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
CT
I was wondering, since you initiated Forum:CT:New continuity section, if you wanted to be the one to close and implement it, or whether you'd not mind if I carried all that out, since the time's up and the outcome is more than clear. Graestan(Talk) 02:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't mind if you close it. I'm super busy in RL, so I appreciate the help. If you don't want to though, I'll try to get around to it within the week. —Xwing328(Talk) 02:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Inq meeting 21
October's Inq meeting has been scheduled. Please do your best to show up. Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Bot
Would it be possible to change all instances of the {{LivingForceCite|}} template to {{LFC|}}? --Eyrezer 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. —Xwing328(Talk) 21:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. --Eyrezer 22:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- Could you alter occurrences of Star By Star to Star by Star? Thanks --Eyrezer 02:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- The only ones are user and talk pages, and only about 10 at that. Most people don't take too kindly to a bot messing with their page. —Xwing328(Talk) 21:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- Could you alter occurrences of Star By Star to Star by Star? Thanks --Eyrezer 02:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. --Eyrezer 22:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Bot request
Hey, Xwing. I was wondering if it would be possible to bot away all instances of the field "canon=" from all articles containing a media infobox? --Imperialles 19:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- Most likely, but why did you remove the canon field to begin with? —Xwing328(Talk) 23:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- We reached a consensus in the IRC channel to remove them. I can provide the full log if you want more details. --Imperialles 05:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
- I actually talked to some guys about it in IRC last night, too, so that's ok. —Xwing328(Talk) 00:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks alot! --Imperialles 18:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- I actually talked to some guys about it in IRC last night, too, so that's ok. —Xwing328(Talk) 00:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- We reached a consensus in the IRC channel to remove them. I can provide the full log if you want more details. --Imperialles 05:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Lobar Aybock
Hey Xwing328 -
Glad you enjoyed the story and thanks for putting so much work into Lobar's page!
Only a couple things I noticed (I probably could've changed these myself, but I didn't wanna step on your toes) -
In the first, preamble paragraph, it's stated that the Calians were deemed unfit to be stormtroopers due to being red skinned and near human. In Fists Of Ion it's not specifically stated what the Empire's reasons were for not using Calians. It's probable that this was a factor, but the overlarge T'Syriél were used by S'kar as stormtroopers without a problem and they were far less human looking than Calians (see Marvel Star Wars #53 and the wookiepedia entry on T'Syriél Stormtroopers). I don't say this expressly, but my thought was that the Calians were deemed unmanageable because of their independent nature, which did not take easily to stormtrooper indoctrination. Specifically, their ryastraad battle madness couldn't be harnessed and made them too unpredictable.
Under 'Life As A Shockboxer,' there is a sentence near the beginning which reads...
'Aybock would stay at a hotel relatively close to his shockboxing matches, so that he could run to the arena to get pumped up before the race.' - The word 'race' should be changed to 'fight.'
Some behind the scenes stuff I didn't put in my blog...
The name of Lobar's Chevin manager/cornerman Eedund Cus comes from a combination of Muhammad Ali's real-life boxing cornerman Angelo Dundee and the great Cus D'amato, who trained Mike Tyson.
Lobar's Gungan fight doctor Stitchy is named after the UFC cutman Jacob 'Stitch' Duran.
I began Fists Of Ion wanting to expand on Wayne Humfleet's concept of shockboxing, which was loosely described in the WEG supplement Heroes and Rogues but never fleshed out (due to the fate of WEG). The best and most resonating representation of a boxing hero to me has always been Stallone's Rocky Balboa, so I set out to do a Rocky story in the Star Wars universe. The scene of Lobar running through the streets with all the Rust Rats behind him was the first scene I started with in my head and is a direct translation of the Gonna Fly Now scene in Rocky II. As a further homage to that, 'Lobar Aybock' is a tuckerization of 'Rocky Balboa.'
The other big inspiration for the story was the real life 1938 Joe Louis-Max Schmeling fight which at the time had huge societal signifigance - a black American went up against an athlete who represented Hitler's German Aryan ideal...and won. In Star Wars, shockboxing was dominated by Barabels as a Barabel invention (Lobar alludes to the fact that nobody thinks a Barabel can be beat), and nearhumans were certainly considered second class citizens during the reign of the Empire - as it says in the story "not near [human] enough." Lobar was a stand-in for Louis with Tull Raine being a greatly exaagerated Max Schmeling.
Anyway, that's it. Great job on the article! It's a real thrill to be able to look up your own creations on wookiepedia. Being a fan who has browsed and revised these pages myself I know it's all due to a lot of dilligent work.
Thanks, Xwing!
Interwiki links
I am very sorry, I knew that but I didn´t remember it, I apologize for any inconvenience.--Zeist Antilles holomensajes 19:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Bot request
I have been talking with Greyman, and he suggested you might be able to help me out. Do to the recent CT decision that "creature" should be used instead of "animal", there are several categories that need to be changed from "animal" titles to "creature" titles, and all of the articles in the old categories have to be recategorized to the new ones. That's more than 800 articles that need their categories changed. I have already created the new categories, so now the articles in the old cats just need to be recategorized. I was hoping you can program a bot to go through all of the articles and subcategories in each of the old categories:
- Category:Aquatic animals
- Category:Domesticated animals
- Category:Extinct animals
- Category:Flying animals
- Category:Food animals
- Category:Hunting animals
- Category:Named animals
And change the categories in those articles to the new ones:
- Category:Aquatic creatures
- Category:Domesticated creatures
- Category:Extinct creatures
- Category:Flying creatures
- Category:Food creatures
- Category:Hunting creatures
- Category:Named creatures
Do you think you can help me out? Gray Jedi 05:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- No problem. I'll get on it soon. —Xwing328(Talk) 20:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. Having a bot go through those hundreds of articles is a better prospect than going through them all manually. Gray Jedi 21:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- I just wanted to let you know that I've gone ahead and changed the cats for articles in the hunting animals category. It only had 25 articles, so it didn't take too long to do it myself. I'll leave the last two categories for Whistler to take care of. Gray Jedi 01:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- OK, done. For future reference, the bot can move the category page for you. It's actually much easier on my end if it hasn't been moved yet, because I can even have the bot delete the old category page. I couldn't do them all last night just because I had other things going on. Let me know if you have any other requests. —Xwing328(Talk) 05:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Bot change
Could you change the category Category:Jedi Purge Survivors to "Category:Jedi Purge survivors"? (Lowercase S). Thanks, --Eyrezer 00:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
- Done. And it looks like I'll be back a bit this coming week after being away for awhile. —Xwing328(Talk) 01:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. --Eyrezer 21:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
sw.com blog
I don't know if this is the right address, but as you manageing the "wookieepedia" blog on sw.com I want to ask if you may could feature my blog as I'am the only german user of the Jedipedia with his own blog it makes it to some kind of "semi-official" sw.com blog of the jedipedia project. This could may further increase our partnership.--Modgamers 21:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
