Forum:CT:Petition to Wikia to leave user talk pages alone

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The result of the debate was Community petitions for Fandom to not implement the message wall onto Wookieepedia. Tommy Macaroni 18:40, June 1, 2019 (UTC)

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Per my comment at Forum:SH:Wikia is going mad, this is a petition to Wikia to not implement the upcoming changes to user talk pages on Wookieepedia. There's no guarantee they'll obey our wishes, but we can try. Master Jonathan — ^{Jedi Council Chambers} _{Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 02:49 UTC}

Support (leave user talk pages as they are)

1. Master Jonathan — ^{Jedi Council Chambers} _{Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 02:49 UTC}
2. Please.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 02:52, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
3. As stated in said Senate Hall discussion, I will heartily say no to Wikia's changes.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 02:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
4. Worth a shot. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 02:54, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
5. Karohalva 02:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
6. The system works, and I believe archiving the current talk pages will disrupt ongoing conversations. So I join my fellow users in asking for a reversal of the upcoming changes. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
7. This is of course totally hopeless, as Wikia stopped caring about what users actually want a long time ago. But sure, I'll sign. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 03:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
8. Per Culator. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
9. Per Corellian Premier. Why mess with success? -- SFH 03:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
10. See the thing is, the law of averages says that there's at least one Wiki that will love this new change. But the key is choice. The change should be optional, an elective left at the discretion of each individual Wiki's administration to implement based on what they find works best for their user community, and not forced upon anyone. But honestly? *sigh* Per Culator. --Bella'Mia 03:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
11. Per Culator. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 03:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
12. Oh look, Wikia's decided to do something stupid again. More news at 11. I'll sign, but color me skeptical of this influencing them. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 03:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
13. I have a bellybutton. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
14. Sigh.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 04:32 UTC
15. Been horrified by the restrictions and dumbingdown effect of this, so now I give out my public opinion: good for social sites, bad for us, veeeery bad. –Tm_T ^(Talk) 05:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
16. Wump. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 05:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
17. Considering a multitude of established users said they would quit, maybe wikia should actually start listening if they want to retain their active editors. However, as it seems they only care about page views. 1358 ^(Talk) 05:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
18. Hey, I have a belly button too! WhiteBoy 07:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
19. Can't hurt, as much as I'm sceptical of its success. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 07:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
20. Dear Wikia. Please cut with the BS. Thank you. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 10:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
21. Per all of my fellow cynics who doubt this will work but hope against all hope that maybe, just maybe, it will. jSarek 10:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
22. I need a name (Complain here) 11:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
23. <-Omicron^{(Leave a message at the BEEP!)} 12:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
24. I've half given up on editing anyway so if Wikia do start going through with more and more bullshit like this then I'm happy to go spend my time elsewhere. —NAYAYEN 12:31, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
25. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 13:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
26. Per Culator and Tm. Jonjedigrandmaster ^(Talk) 14:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
27. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 15:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
28. This is absolutely ridiculous! WHY??!!! Ugh. If only we had a way to run our own server. MasterFred^(Whatever) 15:22, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
29. Where is my talk page... Is she safe? DD97^{Which bear is best?} 15:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
30. [1] JangFett ^(Talk) 15:42, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
31. This is 31 of us, including some of us who have been inactive recently, signing a petition in the span of 13 hours. NaruHina ^Talk 16:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

    N7 ^[T|C] 16:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC) (Vote struck due to user not meeting voting requirements (less than 50 mainspace edits). 1358 ^(Talk) 16:37, September 27, 2011 (UTC))

32. Gulomi Jomesh 16:35, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
33. <comment removed> TK999 16:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
34. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 17:57, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
35. If I want Facebook functionality, I will use Facebook. ~Savage 03:19, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
36. I love bandwagons.--KissMyWookiee^{(Talk At Me)}, 05:04, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
37. This is one snowball that should surely die in hell. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:24, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
38. Wikia meets Facebook. (Per SavageBob) Nahdar Vebb 18:49, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
39. Dear Wikia, Please stop screwing us over. Love, fed-up users. CC7567 ^(talk) 05:51, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
40. Jinzler 21:55, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
41. I'm pretty sure this is a fight we cannot win, but heck if that's going to stop me from trying. Tinwe^(comlink) 12:03, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
42. !wikia Tyber ^{J. Kenobi's Droid} 16:11, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
43. Lucky 43. Menkooroo 16:13, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
44. Jedimca0^{(Do or Do Not, There is No Try)} 14:55, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
45. Goddammit, if it ain't broke don't fix it. IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 23:49, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
46. Who is your daddy and what does he do? ToRsO bOy 06:35, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
47. Chack is back enough to vote no. Wikia's changes make Facebook's look benign and trivial. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 18:38, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
48. First Oasis, then this. What's happening Wikia? SeanWheeler 01:56, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
49. I suggest that if when this does nothing, we simply create new user pages and ignore Wikia's new system. Holocron ^(Complain) 09:53, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

    Just make it optional, and I'll be A-OK with it. Seriously. {{SUBST:RoadsSig}} 21:14, October 9, 2011 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: less than 50 mainspace edits -- Gulomi Jomesh 21:21, October 9, 2011 (UTC))

50. Per Culator, Corellian Premier, Nayayen, and everyone else. We are a collaborative Star Wars information project and not a social networking site. Unfortunately, like others, I seriously doubt that Wikia will bother listening to us, other than maybe a "you'll just love it!" remark; moving might be an option. Darth Karika^{will destroy your planet!} 20:48, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

    THIS IS WIKIA! Not dang Facebook. Who's to compete???-Boba fett 32 04:38, November 6, 2011 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: fewer than 50 mainspace edits and fails productivity requirement -- Master Jonathan — ^{Jedi Council Chambers} _{Sunday, November 6, 2011, 05:16 UTC})

51. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

    .Darth Danebramage 01:34, November 7, 2011 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: Fails productivity requirement -- Master Jonathan — ^{Jedi Council Chambers} _{Monday, November 7, 2011, 03:01 UTC})

52. DarthDragon164^{Dragon's Lair} 02:04, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
53. Coming back from vacation only to be screwed by Wikia... lovely... Coruscantfan 02:13, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
54. —Axinal ^{Convocation Chamber} 22:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
55. Craven 03:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
56. Wow am I late to the party. — Fiolli; 02:17, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
57. Han shoots first 19:07, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
58. Ayrehead02 10:47, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
59. Hope this works Thecrazyweirdo 15:07, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
60. What a dumb (potential) change. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 15:19, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
61. Cumulonimbus Cloud ^{(Meeting Room)} 02:05, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
62. 501st dogma^(talk) 21:11, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
63. It is.. alive! Winterz (talk) 21:54, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
64. Per the rest of these loons, this may be incredibly late but, power to the people!... can't believe I just said that, I... am... a... Tory... noooooooo viva la revolution! DK Wolf 27 ^{Holonet Channel} 00:44, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
65. Thunderforge (talk) 07:05, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
66. Thought I'd signed this ages ago. Commander Code-8 ^{You lost the game!} 06:23, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
67. I agree, the changes should be optional based on the user preferances. Viva Leave-the-talk-pages-alone!!! --MadMarek (talk) 17:11, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
68. Wikia has become the new Youtube... Well, maybe not that bad, but still. --Clonehunter^{(Report your W.M.D.)} 03:11, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
69. Thought I signed this a while back. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
70. Only cause i'm pro-choice Manoof (talk) 02:02, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
71. This is a long-running vote. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 05:11, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
72. --RazulAntiwield (talk) 08:27, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
73. Harshg (talk) 15:12, December 20, 2016 (UTC)
74. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 22:32, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
75. AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 22:38, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
76. Imperators II^(Talk) 06:38, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
77. I…guess Tommy Macaroni 12:52, November 15, 2018 (UTC)
78. I think they should just leave the talk pages alone. Person741963 (talk) 19:49, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
79. --Lewisr (talk) 23:20, February 3, 2019 (UTC)
80. Wikia might've listened. With FANDOM it's likely not a question of preventing but pushing off the inevitable. Fan26 (Talk) 18:01, March 6, 2019 (UTC)
81. Rakhsh (talk) 19:44, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

Oppose (let the changes go through)

1. Brrrr, 's cold and lonely out here! --Master Starkeiller 12:47, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

   Stand and deliver, Wikia. Adam Ant 17:28, December 7, 2011 (UTC) (User has less than 50 mainspace edits. 1358 ^(Talk) 17:35, December 7, 2011 (UTC))

Discussion

• Does anyone think that we should make some kind of announcement to everyone about this so that everyone will know what is going on? Just a thought. Sigh...--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 03:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • It appears that just about everyone on Wookieepedia knows about it now. Even WhiteBoy came out for this one. :D But I think that someone should definitely shove this in Wikia's face to show that none of us want it and several have threatened to quit. --Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 13:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • I included a link to this in an example in my tl;dr special:contact complaint. :3 1358 ^(Talk) 13:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
      • Why can't we just leave Wikia entirely? I can't even edit anonymously without being bombarded by their massive amounts of dreck piled upon more dreck. Wikkii seems like a good enough alternative, as does Shoutwiki. Or there's always independent hosting. 187.115.169.183 15:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
      • The problem is basically that wikia pwns google rankings. We will never have back our pageviews if we move and this version continues to exist. And wikia refuses to close wikis. 1358 ^(Talk) 15:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
        • Hypothetically, if we can somehow tell StarWars.com that we've moved, those Encyclopedia links might actually turn out to be a good thing. They'll help fans find out where we are. NaruHina ^Talk 16:26, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
          • Maybe Lucas would be willing to host Wookieepedia on a subpage of StarWars.com, since he's replacing the Databank anyway.--KissMyWookiee^{(Talk At Me)}, 05:14, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
            • I don't think that that would be a very good idea. Then we'd all have to go by whatever LucasFilm says, and we'd be considered an "official" site rather than a "fan" site. If I'm going to work for LFL, I want to be paid and given an official title. :P --Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
              • I didn't say it was a "good" idea, and it probably would create more issues than it resolves, but it would definitely end the question of "which Wookieepeida is the REAL Wookieepedia" if it comes to that. --KissMyWookiee^{(Talk At Me)}, 16:20, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
• See w:c:community:Forum:Message Wall - A Simple List Of Names and please sign there as well. 1358 ^(Talk) 15:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
• Hey everybody, I just thought of a way that we can avoid using the new style even if it is implemented. Each user can create a user subpage called User:<UserName>/talk which can be used in a similar way to the old talk page. I know it won't be quite the same and it won't be quite as good as the old king, but at least we could have something closer to what we currently have if Wikia makes us have the new message boards. What does everyone think of this backup plan?--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 23:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • Hmm, good thinking, but I frankly can't say that I look forward to either option, but I guess it would be better than Wikia's thing. But then each user would have to make one, and we can't force users to make one. I can see bad in both sides, so let's really hope that this will be a back-up plan only, and Wikia will keep the message boards away from us.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 23:59, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't really like my backup plan either, but it is a whole lot better than what Wikia has in mind, and I think that a lot of our users would go along with my idea for a backup plan if faced with the alternative.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 00:13, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
      • Heh, believe me, I'd much rather go with your plan than Wikia's plan. I'm just still hanging unto hope that this petition will do something.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:16, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • Me too. We're in the same boat...--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 00:25, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
          • The only problems I see with this are the following: 1) We would have to make EVERY user a subpage, 2) No one would get the "You have new messages" notice anymore, so everyone would have to be trusted to check their own subpage. MasterFred^(Whatever) 13:16, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
            • My thoughts exactly. That's why I said let's keep it as a back-up and still hope that this will work.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
• It's live on communitytest if someone wants to test it out. It creates a new page for every new line. Inb4 moving a user talk page and getting all the comments moved. ._. 1358 ^(Talk) 18:42, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
  • Is that seriously what it will look like? That's hideous. MasterFred^(Whatever) 19:44, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • AHHHHH!!! <Cal Jedi clutches heart> "This is a big one!! Did you hear that Yoda? I'm comin' to join you!!"--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 02:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
• So, when are we gonna send this to Wikia? MasterFred^(Whatever) 13:14, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
  • What do you mean? The call is coming from inside the wiki farm. They're watching us. >.> NaruHina ^Talk 16:05, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • lol MasterFred^(Whatever) 15:14, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
• For all the negative criticism this has received, there was a good point that was brought up in the Message Wall idea about keeping conversations together. I feel that the user talk pages are a mess. Everyone responds differently. Some always respond to comments on their own talk page, others always respond to comments on the other person's talk page, and others have no set rule and randomly respond wherever they feel like. All I'm saying is that it would be nice if I can click in one place and see the ENTIRE conversation about a subject on a user's talk page. This is especially true when I'm reading conversations involving administrators and experienced users, where I can learn valuable tips and advice. But as it is now, I only see half the conversation, and I have to go looking for the other half of the conversation and try to figure out who responded to what and when.--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 17:30, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Wow

I've just received word from Wikia staff that the message wall will not be mandatory for now. A Wikia staff member told us in Skype about this:

[10:38:16 PM] justjeninsf: Hey ecks - just want to be really clear: the product is going in to labs for a while - if we see enough communities choosing to turn it on and use it, we'll evaluate whether or not we'll be releasing it globally.
[10:38:43 PM] justjeninsf: if it is released globally, it will be like every other global release in that local communities won't be able to turn it on or off (see admin dashboard as an example)
[10:38:43 PM] ecks: So there is some chance it can be made mandatory at some point in the future?
[10:39:12 PM] justjeninsf: Ecks - yes, there is some chance though it's a ways off

(justjeninsf is w:User:Jenburton; ecks is me) As you can see, the threat is not over finally yet. But certainly a good sign. 1358 ^(Talk) 20:42, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

• At least we have kept it off of us for now. Let's hope plenty of communities don't use it, but for now...Hooray!--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 22:54, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
• "Wow" indeed. Let's hope it never becomes mandatory. Master Jonathan — ^{Jedi Council Chambers} _{Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 01:16 UTC}
• Is this still going on? If it is, I almost have enough edits to vote. JediMaster22 (talk) 21:21, October 1, 2013 (UTC)
  • We keep it active as an ongoing display to Wikia of our unwillingness to have their talk page updates and such. If you wish to vote on it, feel free to do so. As others have mentioned before, this will remain up until Wikia gives up their crusade to dominate us, or we split entirely. Cheers.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 23:00, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

backup plan?

Hello, i am TL:DR-3PO. Before my power supply runs out, might i ask if it would be possible, practical, or desirable to replace (for example) Talk:R2-D2 with some sort of R2-D2/Talk tab (like the R2-D2/Legends tab), if necessary? A shared Canon/Legends Talk might also be useful in some situations, such as asking whether new information belongs in the Canon article or the Legends article, or when comparing Canon and Legends, or discussing Behind the scenes matters.

Excuse me, i must be going. Come along, R2-71.121.143.200 22:48, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

• This is not ideal, if only for technical reasons -- this would mean that talk pages would start being included in our total page count as a wiki. No one wants that. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:57, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  • This first became a concern several years ago and hasn't happened yet. I could be wrong, but it seems Wikia listened. I don't see it as being an imminent concern. ProfessorTofty (talk) 21:15, September 21, 2017 (UTC)