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Unidentified green-skinned mercenary

  • Nominated by: CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 22:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Had this on the shelf for a pretty long time now
  • Date Archived: 19:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 576 words (104 introduction, 369 body, 103 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 583 words (108 introduction, 373 body, 102 behind the scenes)
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Support

  1. AxMech (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
  2. ACvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 04:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  3. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
  4. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 21:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Object

Samonic
  • Unidentified Falleen disambiguation?
  • Eye color?
    • Can you tell her eye color? I can't really, but it might be due to my current device limitations when it comes to streaming. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
      • I think they're black. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 16:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
        • I'm not really sure if that's safe to say. I think I'll ask about other opinions on that on the Wook server in the coming days. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 01:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Can we get a better (more neutral and more front facing) and brighter image?
    • I've tried to get one from the episode, but the one I found in the Story Gallery on SW.com was in my opinion by far the best one. The best one I could get out of the episodes was this one. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  • I think the context for Third Sister in the intro is excessive. "Galactic Empire Inquisitor Third Sister" or something like that will do.
    • Yeah, I agree with you, it's a bit excessive. Changed. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Bail Organa is a Senator. Please change his context. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 16:08, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Can you add an image of the Fallen chasing Leia or another image of her on Daiyu?
    • Yes, I've added it together with the mediacat. Let me know if you're happy with it. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 22:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Also, I'd say that the bio's first sentence is very long. Could you reword into two sentences or so, maybe? (Example: In 9 ABY, the human male mercenary Veckt Nokru was hired by the Galactic Empire Inquisitor known as the Third Sister to capture Leia Organa, the princess of the Core Worlds planet Alderaan. To achieve his task, Nokru, along with several mercenaries including a female Fallen, a human and an alien, traveled to Alderaan, where they…) Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 16:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
    • I've rephrased it. Let me know if you're happy with it. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 22:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Please explain how kidnapping Princess Leia lured Master Kenobi into a trap. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 20:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
    • I've moved the sentence with Bail asking for help to another place, is that better? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Spooky
  • I'm of the mind that the gender context for other characters is unnecessary, such as 'male Alderaanian Senator Bail Organa' and even 'human male mercenary'—precedent holds that omitting it would be enough context, still.
    • I've removed it from Bail, but I think leaving 'human male mercenary' is fine since that's everything we know about him. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  • In the first sentence of the biography, I feel it'd be more prudent to introduce the Falleen, then mention after that her companion was a human mercenary. Upon first read, it almost seemed like it was the start of Nokru's article instead. (In 9 ABY[2], the human male mercenary Vect Nokru...)
  • Currently, the biography's first two sentences are sourced to USW—I'm assuming that should all be attributed to Part I?
    • Yeah, changed with some cleanup. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Per some precedent on other articles/objections, using the New Edition of USW would be preferred, as it's generally considered more accessible.
  • Equipment: Would the mercenaries' ship have enough content for a stub to be created for it? Would also love to see links introduced in the equipment section overall!
    • Added two links, do you miss any other ones? I think I'll ask the Wook server for opinions on the starship. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
      • While input's found for that bit; gone ahead and copy-edited in holster and belt.—spookywillowwtalk 20:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
        • Thanks. I'll be working on that article over the next days. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The mercenaries are mentioned in slide 8 of 11 in the story gallery of Part I's episode guide, which should be added.—spookywillowwtalk 02:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
    • Right, thanks for letting me know, don't know how that much slipped past me... CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Though context doesn't need to be as in-depth as in the Biography, it's still helpful to add some into the intro when it doesn't mess with conciseness too much. Mind working both Alderaan and Daiyu's context into the intro?
  • For this sentence: After Kenobi's and Leia's escape, the Falleen cleaned her blaster while Nokru was approached by the Third Sister to put a bounty on Kenobi and inform all bounty hunters on the planet about Kenobi's presence. Unsure how you'd like to tackle it, but it might be nice to vary the wording, so as to not use Kenobi's name thrice in one sentence.
  • The Databank entry used to source the personality and traits section doesn't seem to support the information there, as this specific character is not mentioned on that page. It'd perhaps suit better to source it to Part I, to match the infobox references of the same information.
    • Of course, I don't know how that happened. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Did some quick skims online. Seems like the actor who portrayed this character was in Mando before this—it might be worth extremely briefly mentioning that before this role, her prior work in the SW franchise was as the body double for Dune.
    • Yep, makes sense, thanks for making me aware. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
      • When adding it, the context usually required for adding shows still applies (that it's a Disney+ television series, etc.) Normal context rules still apply for Dune as well, even if it's brief.—spookywillowwtalk 22:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Secondly, took a look at her Instagram and found a post of her with information for the BtS/potentially a photo, should the section have space to support it once done.—spookywillowwtalk 20:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
    • What exactly from this post would you put into the BTS? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
      • Happy to provide supporting precedent examples of these from other SAs if need be:
        • Firstly (from the caption of the post), it can be briefly stated that she did enjoy working on the show, and with which people (she does call out Chow by name, and McGregor).
        • Secondly, on one of the later pictures in the Insta slideshow there's an extremely clear photo of her in mercenary costume in optimal lighting. From this, we can see that her long-sleeved top is black (and not dark blue, which only seems to be because of the lighting hue when in that dark room). Her vest top is more gray than brown, or at least gray-brown if both are to be mentioned (colorations doubly backed up by timestamps 39:20-39:27 in Part I, which is similarly lit). These should all be sourced to Part I, though the post's better photo can certainly assist with picking out those fine details. Can also better see the device on her chest and the three silver cylinders she's wearing, and the listed timestamp also shows the mercenary's full form, which would warrant the documenting of her shoes.
        • Thirdly, the very last image of the slideshow shows a bit about how the mercenary's scaly skin was applied (wasn't just CGI'd in after, as it's physically being peeled off her). Adding to this, the dude who's standing to her left looks a lot like Neal Scanlan which should be checked after to see if confirmable, as it's pretty common for background aliens such as her to be working with him. Or, if the other guy to her other side was notable in the credits.
          • Alright, I've asked her for confirmation. I've also asked her if I could use any of those pictures in the BTS section. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
            • Unless someone has requested for us to not use them, we normally just go ahead and use BtS images at will whenever they're publicly disseminated on social media platforms (for the future cases, might be a bit too tight of a fit in the small BtS for this particular article).—spookywillowwtalk 00:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
          • Alright, I've asked her for confirmation. I've also asked her if I could use any of those pictures in the BTS section. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
        • Fourthly, since it's really easy to put in, Sturdivant's one other Kenobi role is known, may as well tuck a tidy mention in.—spookywillowwtalk 22:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
          • Yup, done. Although it technically are two more roles, right? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
  • The Part 1 episode guide story gallery establishes that these mercenaries were part of a "gang". As they're not simply independent contractors because of that, I'd like to see the gang's stub article made to be linked in affiliations and worked into the article.
    • Working on that articles as well as on the other one in the coming days. Been too busy last week. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
  • The same story gallery also specifies that the woods she is roaming in are within the grounds of the Royal Palace of Alderaan; which would be relevant to mention, as the mercenary would have had to had a level of skill to remain undetected on secured property.—spookywillowwtalk 22:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The Den could be introduced as where they brought Leia to camp for Kenobi on Daiyu.—spookywillowwtalk 22:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The Falleen's is indirectly mentioned in Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Jedi's Return at 20:45, as part of the mercenary group—for Source list purposes.—spookywillowwtalk 22:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Echoing off Discord objection to make it a formal objection: pronoun update needed. If you're unsure what that entails, see resources here: 1, 2, 3.—spookywillowwtalk 18:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
    • Good point, update has been made. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 15:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • Really no relevant quotes?
    • Hmm, she has no quotes at all. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 21:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Unsourced infobox item, and you should pipelink that item to avoid using the term unidentified IU (eg infobox on Trask Chowder).
    • Done, thanks for making me aware. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 21:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • The body initially reads like the article is about the gang instead of this mercenary. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 22:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay - looks like you can add a bts quote from the Instagram post. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 20:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
DFaceG
  • Seems notable to me that she is the first and so far only Falleen we've seen that has ears. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
    • To specify I mean human-ish ears, I don't know if normal Falleen have earholes or just hear *somehow* or what. But her ears are certainly new to the species. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Good catch. Where do you think that should be noted? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 12:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
        • The fact that we know for certain that most Falleen we have seen don't have ears, it should be in Personality and traits unless anyone else believes it fits better elsewhere. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
          • Ok, last question: How do I source that all other Falleen don't have ears? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 23:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
            • Instead of saying that all others verifiably don't I would instead say this is the first we've seen with them, and just source the episode she's in. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
NanoLuuke
  • [Disclosure, this not me reviewing the article, just raising a single point of objection.] I have a major issue with this article regarding the identification of the species of the character. What we know is this: this character is of a reptilian-like species. The article then assume, through the duck test, that it must be a Falleen, based on a few correlating features. However, there is one point of contention in that the character has human-shaped ears, which has never been a feature of Falleen. Thus, to me, this render the duck test null and void (if it does look like a Falleen... wait, no it does not). Future sources might shed some light and indeed identifies the species as Falleen (and it would not be the first and last time this kind of things happens), however that Wookieepedia assume her species when discordant information exist is nothing else but continuity mending on our end. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 12:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Something I want to neutrally add, without it pointing in one direction: In Legends, there were at least two Falleen with ears. Was it ever explicitly stated in canon that Falleen don't have ears? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 17:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)