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Emerald Lightning "kills" in the Unifying Force?

I don't remember the book ever specifying whether the Emerald Lightning killed the Vong or not.

Is there proof that it killed him, or is that quote fanon that should be removed? --MinbariVersusAsari 14:19, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

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How is this a force technique, when it's also described as a natural ability of the Kel Dor species? JimRaynor55 19:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • What I wanna know is, wouldn't the Light Side version of Force Lightning be Force Lightning? The only difference is that it would be used in a less aggressive manner. After all, powers are not inherently Light or Dark. Master Katarn used lightning even after his ascension to that position. Shadowtrooper talk 03:55, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Powers are inherently light or dark. You shouldn't take gameplay elements of games as canon. QuentinGeorge 06:13, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • Where do you get that from? I know that the old Jedi Order thought that way, but I thought the NJO was far more lax. The old Jedi were somewhat close minded in their conservatism(sp?). Please know I'm not trying to argue, just to understand. Shadowtrooper talk 03:03, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • Power of the Jedi sourcebook specifically states this, OOU, and also mentions the Potentium as being an incorrect view of the Force. QuentinGeorge 06:01, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Powers are inherently light or dark. That's one of the things in SW I disagree with most, that this power is inherently good or this power is inherently bad, and I'd change it in a heartbeat if I could. Thanos6 04:56, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, perhaps unfortunately, Star Wars is a world where good and evil ontologically exist, so powers *can be* and *are* inherently light or dark. That's just the way the Star Wars world works. jSarek 08:42, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately. :) Give me something like FF6, where spells are good or bad based on INTENT; "Doom" may be an instant death spell, but casting on the world destroying tyrant won't turn Terra down the path to evil. ;) Thanos6 09:38, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • It seems the new Jedi have finally embraced the truth... --Master Starkeiller 22:16, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • By the way, I should note this article may be incorrect. As Daniel Wallace stated that in all likelihood, Plo Koon was deluded, and there was no difference between electric judgement and force lightning and Koon was in fact using a darkside power. QuentinGeorge 22:21, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • why are we placing Luke's special power under this? It doesn't have the characteristics, other than being lightning, and there is no basis for it being placed here.—Unsigned comment by 24.197.139.111 (talk • contribs)

lightning is lightning and the only thing that sperates them is color makeing them variations this is why i suggest that force lightining and electric judgment be merged. also force powers arent inherently evil it is what you do with the power. An aggresive attack like force lighting it would be tempting to use it for the wrong reasons. it is possible to use it for good though just unlikly. the jedi of the old order do not beleive powers to be evil they have just seen so much in the tens of thousands of years that they must keep an eye on those who resemble their enemies. Ralok 04:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

  • While I am a Potentium follower myself, we cannot make any definite calls on this one. What the Jedi say in the movies and what Katarn says in the games can both be their personal interpretations. Even GL haven't AFAIK explitly stated that there is a good or evil side to the Force, he have merely used the Jedi terminology in interviews. And until something definite is decided upon in this regard, we have no choice but to leave Electric Judgment as it is, against the chance that there is in fact a difference between light and dark. Also, video games should be made S-canon to aviod this stuff. DarthMRN
  • Force Lightning and Electric Judgement are tow different powers, this isn't the light side form of anything, its a different power, its not just a different color, it requires different chracteritics, different training, it doesn't need to be merged. Jedi Dude 14:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • If it has different properties than Lightning, then what are they? And why aren't they included in the article?DarthMRN

Judgement Upgrade?

Does Electric Judgement have and upgrade like Force Lightning does. Is there a sort of 'Judgement Storm'.—Unsigned comment by Darth Vatrir (talk • contribs)

  • Force Storm is only a gameplay thing in the two KotOR games. - TopAce 17:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
    • In fact, not really. Palpatine uses it in one of the Empire: Betrayal comics. Well, it's not explicitly called so, but he targets and kills multiple stormtroopers at once with a many-forked stream of lightning. Evir Daal 09:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
      • It was a many forked stream that zapped Vader in ROTJ. It seems to me that what KOTOR labels "Force Storm" is really just a gameplay way of referring to an advanced mastery of the Force Lightning power. [[]] 21:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC) JC—Unsigned comment by 69.253.241.122 (talk • contribs)
  • judgement storm is not a good name for a force move—Unsigned comment by 70.211.51.109 (talk • contribs)

In fact, it is possible to use emerald lightning in a manner equivalent to the Force Storm technique used in Kotor and by Count Dooku. Jacen used this refinement of the technique against the Vong in Destiny’s Way. SaintSirNicholas

Jaden Korr used Force Lightning

Thed article states that Jaden Korr uses EJ, but according to JK:JA he uses Lightning, so unless somebody can point to a official source correcting this to EJ, the paragraph should be removed. Academy hasn't even been listed as a source.DarthMRN

  • Jaden was a Jedi, therefore it was Judgement .... 06:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Then why did choosing it over other light powers prompt Kyle and Luke to warn the player that they are threading close to the dark side? Also, why it is blue then, in stead of green and yellow? And lastly, it is called Lightning on the power selection screen. And as our own list of powers clearly shows, Wookieepedia acknowledges all power names as canon, even when there are disrepancies between them or they are different names for the same thing.

Korr might have used Lightning. This is canon. Interpreation on grounds of arguable logic is not. Heck, even logic that we can all agree upon does not consititute canon (as is evedient many places in SW). I will remove the mention of Jaden until further proof surfaces.DarthMRN 17:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The truth

Hey guys can everybody go bombard The starwars.com questions and answers to find out what power Luke actully used in The Unfying Force weither it was Force Lightning or Electric Judgment. ok thanx —Unsigned comment by 70.234.129.140 (talk • contribs)

No other Force user has been noted to generate such powerful lightning

This isn't true. In Empire's End, Palpatine's lightning blew several different holes through both Rayf Ysanna and Empatojayos Brand, killing Rayf instantly and mortally wounding Brand. Brand only survived as long as he did because he was mostly machine. It should also be noted that Palaptine was also rather weak when he did this, as he was on his death bed. That qualifies as instant kill lightning. --Exor 19:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Elliot - Habbo SWRP Forum

My theory - "Electric Judgement is Destroy Droid. And whoever gave it this name, and posted it on wookieepedia, has totally got the wrong idea about it." [1] [2] notice how the droid disable link above, mentions it was used by Luke Skywalker? Probably refering too the FAKE "Emerald Lightning"

Now the force technique "Destroy Droid" is shown on KotOR 1 and 2. In which, the Jedi or Dark Jedi can use. Its' effects are shown in the game, as emitting "lightning" from the palm, towards the droid, and malfunctioning it (causing it damage.) Which is exactly what Ploo Koon does on Jedi Power battles, in which is a the presentational picture on wookieepedias "Electric judgement topic". Wookieepedia, says that this is Electric Judgement;

[IMG]ElectricJudgement.jpg[/IMG]

Notice how hes using it.. ON A DROID?!

As for Luke Skywalker, with the picture of him using "Emarald Sparks" That image, was in the time of NJO. Where the laws of the Jedi Order wernt so strict, as they made sacrifices in order to achieve the best within any situation involving life or death.

Fact: Kyle Katarn, is a self-trained Jedi Knight in which did teach himself techniques of the Dark Side, and he did posses Force Lightning. In which, he claims he only used in very threatening situations, as a last resourt in order to save his own life, and in order to save others - he would use it against powerful foes.

Kyle Katarn, taught this power too Luke, and Luke used it in the same way. This is where "Emerald Sparks" come from.—Unsigned comment by 86.154.2.210 (talk • contribs)

Cyfiero 00:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC) I agree, the force power is probably "destroy droid," not "electric judgment." It seems to me that in the image, Plo Koon is using it on a droideka so unless there is evidence showing him using it on a living being, it really does seem like the force power is destroy droid instead. The force power that Luke used is most likely "force lightning" emerald or not. The force power Luke used was able to kill the slayer. Force powers are inherently good or bad. Light side force powers can not kill, so it can not have been electric judgment. If electric judgment does exist, and it can kill a living being, then obviously it doesn't exist and is really force lightning. If electric judgment is a real force power, and it can not kill, then it must be a light side force power. If it does not exist, then the force power that Plo Koon used is most likely destroy droid and the force power that Luke uses is undoubtly force lightning.

For followers of the Potentium, force powers have to be inherently good or bad. Think of it this way, how can you possibly have good intentions when using a dark side force power? You're intent is to kill, so even if "force powers are NOT inherently good or evil, and it is how you use them..." well I'm just saying that with dark side powers you are always having bad intentions. Sure, you might be using the dark force powers to protect someone or yourself, but at the same time by doing so you're also killing a being, innocent or not! Everybody have good and bad qualities, and nobody are truly evil unless if they truly do not have good qualities. Therefore, there is always a chance for a dark sider to be redeemed, there is always a way to protect someone, protect a whole society, or protect yourself without killing others. Also, dark side force powers like "Force lightning" draws from your negative emotions and feed on them and act like drugs because they are addicting. Some people lose thereselves to such powerful techniques, and that's how some Jedi fall to he dark side. If there is no dark side and light side of the Force, then there is a dark side and light side of a person. Though I must say that people have got to stop thinking of red and black as dark side colors and blue and white as light side colors. If you ask me blue can also be very cold as well as bright and peaceful. Red might seem very passionate and full of hatred and anger, but it also can give you a sense of compassion and love. This is the same with white and black. Well black may not seem like compassion, but it's not always that dark. Why is red always representing such violent emotions anyways? A friend told me that maybe because it's the color of blood, but for those of you that for some reason don't actually know, blue is the color of blood as well. Btw, water isn't even blue for people who think that.—Unsigned comment by Jedi Marco Lam (talk • contribs)

User:Lacertosus 21 November 2007. Exactly. "This power, in the New Jedi Order series, was referred to as "emerald lightning." In Destiny's Way, it is said that Jacen used this power because of his familiarity with Force Shock (he used it against Vergere in Traitor). Luke probably was able to use this power because of his long years of meditation on the light side. Jacen said very clearly that it did not kill enemies, but it sapped their strength and will power." -Behind the Scenes of Electric Judgment.

This is clearly false, as "it did not kill enemies, but it sapped their strength and will power" is the dark side Force Web Technique. URL: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Web And Force Shock is a dark side power within KotOR games. Jacen also became a Sith Lord.—Unsigned comment by 81.156.189.16 (talk • contribs)

Nevertheless, the force power was sourced in Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. Cyfiero 18:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

There are numerous examples of light side powers/universal powers being used to kill. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 00:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Misconception.

Personally, I dont think this power exists at all.

Plo Koon is using it on droids. Obviously indicating it was only able to be used on droids. Knights of the Old Republic features a move called Droid Disable, which shot lightning at a droid target, exploding them. Thats exactly that Plo Koon is doing in the displayed image.

As for Luke, and Jacen, these were in the times of New Jedi Order. In such times, Kyle even states that their beliefs are there is no such thing as light and dark; it's the intentions behind the use.

So my guess is, Luke and Jacen merely used Force Lightning. And Jacen just refered to as as Emerald Lightning to seem fancy so to speak. If it's in conversation, it's rare for Jedi or anyone to actually say the names of Force Powers. They usually just describe it's effect to keep within storyline.

And this article contradicts itself. In the description, it says Luke used it to kill. Then in behind the scenes, Jacen clearly states that it doesnt. And it's implied Emerald Lightning and Electric Judgement are the same thing, as there's no article for Emerald Lightning (if it was a different power, but it's not IMO).

-Elliot. (Same person from SWRP forum)—Unsigned comment by 81.152.170.2 (talk • contribs)

  • Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force says it exists, was created by Plo Koon and can be used on non-droids. End of. -- I need a name (Complain here) 11:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction

You can see Plo Koon using SOMETHING on the droids, yet it says that "Jacen said very clearly that it did not kill enemies, but it sapped their strength and willpower."

Since when do droids have strength and willpower? Point proven. This is not real. - Potato Jedi 19:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Someone go play Jedi Power Battles...

It is not Destroy Droid. It works just fine on Gungans. That being said, I only recall that because I rented this game long ago, and do not have access any longer. Someone needs to dust their copy off and take some screenies.

Also, I would argue that only species with an intrinsic "black and white" viewpoint of the world, and indeed the Force, such as the Kel Dor, could use this ability without it becoming Force Lightning. As it states in the article, the technique itself is not Force Lighting, but a Light-side version derived by Koon.

Just confirming this. It works fine on organics.70.76.99.169 03:06, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Force Powers transform

Darth Nihlius can transform the powers light side to the dark side,see the Force Healing and Sever force. Perhaps Plo Konn and Luke Skywalker transform the force Lighting to light side power.—Unsigned comment by Tom Blank (talk • contribs)

dooku's usage

isn't that dooku used electric judgement ? he was jedi all his life, and he learned force lightning after his 80's ??? --Marco 1907 (talk) 15:34, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

And he said this to Obi-Wan, (after his force lightning on Anakin) My jedi powers beyond on yours Why is he said 'jedi powers' because he was using force lightning when he was jedi... Not he achieve that because he become apprentice of Sidious. --Marco 1907 (talk) 17:12, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Why 'emerald'?

The power supposedly originated with Plo Koon, but he called it Electric Judgement (EJ). Based on the picture, it's yellow/ orange. Ok, fine. Then we get Luke using this (or a similar) power, and suddenly it's called Emerald Lightning. Why emerald? Is it because Luke's EJ was emerald-green and the author just wanted a fancy name, or was unaware of Plo Koon's (or the EJ author was unaware of Luke's emerald lightning - whichever came first)? Because if you're gonna casually refer to a the power as 'emerald lightning', a picture of Plo Koon's orange lightning is definitely confusing.--92.114.148.141 01:18, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

The Jedi of old who wrote The Jedi Path called this light side power emerald lighting, but Plo Koon called it electric judgment as noted in Jedi vs Sith. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)