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Sidious is not Anakin's father

To quote from Dark Lord, near the beginning of Chapter 21, p. 133 in the hardback:

"He recalled thinking: What if Anakin should die?

How many years would he have had to search for an apprentice even half as powerful in the Force, let alone one created by the Force itself to restore balance, by allowing the dark side to percolate fully to the surface after a millennium of being stifled?"

Two sentences later:

"Sidious would have had to discover a way to compel midichlorians to do his bidding, and bring into being one as powerful as Anakin."

It's very clear: Sidious neither knew how to do the midi trick, nor did he create Anakin, and he personally believed Anakin to have been made just by the Force. I'm removing the speculation that it could be Sidious, and I'll ask that no one re-adds it without addressing this. - Lord Hydronium 08:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Sidius is not anikans father.it's stated in episode 1 that there was no father(shmi skywalker is the mother)Thire 4477 01:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
    • We know that Sidious wasn't Anakin's father. The father was likely Plagueis. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Nor need Plagueis be his 'father' in the traditional sense of the world. To be clear, he almost certainly didn't have sex with Shmi Skywalker (unless we include mind-wiping or other such things, but that's taking fan speculation to the brink.) Technically speaking, he'd no more be the father than the clinician who deals with in-vitro fertilization treatments, though his role in the creation would be greater. 68.228.89.148 02:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
        • If Anakin was "The Chosen One", as defined by the Jedi Code,It can be proven the force works in mysterious ways. If he was the Chosen One he would have to be created somehow so maybe the force naturally created Anakin to fufill this prophecy. The other Masters did not deny that Anakin was the prophecy but felt he had come to late and already let his emotions control him. From this, if he is "The Chosen One" then he has no father and was naturally birthed by the Force itself.Darth Kannon 02:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hair Color

Blonde ! Anybody with half a brain can see he has brown hair, who's with me ! —Unsigned comment by 74.123.169.110 (talk • contribs)

screw you assca ducato —Unsigned comment by 74.123.169.110 (talk • contribs)

  • You're getting banned for that one. Go to hell, you damn anon. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 11:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Don't feed the trolls. Atarumaster88 13:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    • You dudes are crazy KKR 20:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC) KKR
      • If you're talking to me, no. Sticking up for a friend is not being crazy. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Spending time under the sun -let alone two of them- can bleach the color out of most fine-haired types. That's where the term 'sun-bleached' comes from.Tocneppil 06:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
          • Anakin had blond hair as a little kid and a teenager. Once he got a bit older, his hair got darker, but it should still be classified as blond. Even though it looks brown. Revan211 16:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

In the movie his hair is brown, except for TPM, duh, but in the books he has sandy blond hair. In Bloodlines, when Jacen Solo walks back in time, he sees Anakin during the attack on the Jedi Temple. The book says this: He saw a young BLOND jedi with his lightsaber drawn, flanked by troops in white armor... Blond people! Not to mention, in the book AOTC, Padme takes notice of Anakin, and though I don't have the book with me, she sees his sandy BLOND hair. BLOND! LeiaOrganicSolo 14:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Um so what is canon then the Movies or the books? I thought the movies came first? Because if Lucas wanted a Blond then they would of died his hair. DracosTheBlack 02:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Clone Wars Pic

I just got this pic off a website. It is from the trailer for the upcoming Star Wars: The Clone Wars series and I was wondering if we should use it. [[:File:Millenniumfalconclonewaer0.jpg|left|thumb|200px]] Any Thoughts? Vezz801 18:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

height and age

Is it really needed to put the height of when he was 9 and when he was 20? Sappose we did that for Obi-wan and Mace Windu, It wouldn't look right. I think we should just put it at when he was done growing. 24.208.55.168 00:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Lightsabers

Shouldn't we remove some lightsaber pics? Personally, I find some really plasticky-looking, no offense to anyone.

Sith

Has anyone but me noticed that Vader, although making frequent notes about the power of the dark side, never called himself a Sith?

  • Yeah. He does a lot in books though. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The term Sith is never actually used in the OT. It didn't appear until it was written on the back of a Darth Vader action figure package, naming him Dark Lord of the Sith. It certainly appears in the PT though

Redirected from Vader

Shouldn't "Vader" have a disambiguation page, rather than directing straight here? It could refer to Darth Vader, I'm certain there were posessions or perhaps even a starship named after him and, in terms of other characters, it is also a call-sign of Wedge Antilles. 67.101.248.246 03:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what about 'lady vader', and 'the glove of darth vader'?

Who, searching "Vader," would be looking for the call-sign? There would be links to disambigs everywhere; don't make "Vader" a disambig. —C Teng(talk) 16:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Subpage

OK, I'm working on getting this article to FA status, though I'm doing it on a subpage. Namely, User:Thefourdotelipsis/Anakin. I'm going to need some help in areas, though, so when I come to a trouble spot, I'm going to list the sources I need info from here. If anyone has any of the sources and is willing to help, please, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page, or on IRC. Thefourdotelipsis 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

For those, I think I need info from both the storybooks and the game books. Also, if there are any other books from that series that Anakin is either mentioned or appears in, it'd be a great help if...well, if someone told me about it. Thanks in advance to anyone that might decide to lend a brother...or at least an unliked cousin, a hand. Thefourdotelipsis 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Birth of Anakin

I'm a Star Wars novice, relatively speaking, but here's a question - possibly a discussion question:

If Darth Plagus was able to influence the force to create life, and if Anakin Skywalker had no father, then is it assumed that Darth Plagus influenced the force to impregnate Shmi Skywalker with Anakin, making Plagus Anakin's defacto father? 71.198.62.92 14:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Er, not really. I'm also not an expert in Star Wars, but I don't really consider myself a novice, but there is no solid proof that I know of that shows that Darth Plagus is Anakin's father, de facto or de jure.

Anakin had no father. He was created by the Force, the Force itself (with no help from Plagus!) which is why he has so many mideclorians. Did I spell that right??? LeiaOrganicSolo 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

23:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC) I've always wondered-if one of the Sith Lords did create Anakin from the Force, why didn't they take him as an infant from Shmi so he (a) wouldn't develop attachments (b) wouldn't join the Jedi, and (c) could be raised into a honed killing machine like Maul?

ROTSfan

Expanded universe

I think the expanded universe portions of this article should be put under a seperate heading. I think the first part of the article should be about what is in the movies. Wondering if others will join me in putting expanded universe information in a seperate section after the information included in the movies. Things like Anakin's scar while fighting Ventress and Cato Neimodia and Quinlan Voss are all in the movies, so that should be included. The article needs serious editing. —Unsigned comment by 55Andromeda (talk • contribs)

  • Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Here at Wookieepedia, we don't differentiate between movie and EU information. But yeah, the article needs a good edit. A rewrite is currently being worked on by one of our most productive editors. --Imperialles 15:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should seperate EU information! That's what they do on StarWars.com. Here on Wookieepedia, we do stuff our own way! LeiaOrganicSolo 19:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I see. You are even pathetic enough (sorry) to include EU-stuff like Fosters Splinter of the Minds Eye although it is completely outdated for DECADES (at least since TESB). Yeah of course, vader fights against his known son with the clear intention to kill him. Don't care about canon just stuff anything in thats available. Why don't yur drop outdated sources which completely contradict the movies? I think it is time for a EU-crap-free alternative SW-wiki, this one became really annoying. —Unsigned comment by 85.178.66.191 (talk • contribs)

  • If we didn't care about canon, we'd be following your suggestion and dismissing valid sources solely because of personal dislike. -- I need a name (Complain here) 13:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

To the OP and everyone else who doesn't like EU, last time I checked, Expanded Universe was cannon. Therefor totally valid. If George Lucas says EU is cannon, then it's cannon. Fans don't decide whats cannon, the creator does.

68.34.156.49 05:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan

Okay, yeah, sure, Splinter of the Mind's Eye is definitely outdated - Luke and Leia sexual tension, eeeeeeeeeew! - but it is definitely canon. Try actually reading the article on the book you want tossed out next time. Lucas and the book's author - Alan Dean Foster - worked together on the early books and Lucas himself stated that the plot elements in the book - the insipid crystal, the aforementioned-yet-still-icky incestuous sexual tension, Vader ready to take down his own son, et all - were plot elements that Lucas approved of. 65.161.0.75 15:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Cybrarian 15:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

23:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)23:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)23:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I hope MW Stover's take on Splinter of the Mind's Eye fixes it into something more palatable. Windham's Rise and Fall shed some light on things (the crystal had a dark effect on Vader) but in no way went into psychological detail since it was geared towards kids.

Tao Part Canon?

I don't know about you, but this part with Tao doesn't seem canon. I mean, a tusken beating Vader? Vader upset about this kids death (he should be, but he's a sith)? Is there a source for this?Maxi6 01:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

Anyone can be hurt bad if the element of suprise is against them, and the evershifting variables of the universe give them no resources.

Clone wars space station?

In the game Clone Wars, in a cutscene, the Jedi are on a space station snd Mace Windu mentions something to ani about Mergisheer. What is Mergisheer? And what is the space station they are on?67.72.98.109 22:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

1 hand fighting style

"Vader developed a personalized version of Djem So[14][15], battling with one hand only while keeping the other slack at his side[16], a style that included elements of Ataru and Soresu[17]. It was resoundingly effective, both as a practical fighting style and a psychological weapon."

Is that really the case? It seems that Vader fought Luke with only 1 arm because Luke was so inexperienced. As soon as Luke started to improve his swordplay and became more aggressive, Vader began using 2 hands to counter him. Watch Empire Strikes Back again if you don't believe me. 68.34.156.49 02:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan

Yar, true that, but does it mean that Vader fought Luke using both hands on the saber (funny phrase, that) because Luke had gained more experience as a swordsman, or because Luke's potential with the Force was beginning to approach or even match Vader's and Vader had to use a tad more concentration in duels with his son? Perhaps none of Vader's opponents who came before Luke even matched Luke's Force potential (which IMHO will affect your abilities with the lightsaber, experience regardless), thus Vader was able to use his "one hand tied behind my back" Ataru/Soresu hybrid style with little to zero difficulty. 65.161.0.75 16:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Cybrarian

23:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)23:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)69.62.132.97 23:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I read that his injuries (sustained on Mustafar) had a lot to do with his revised fighting style. He had to make sure he was always fighting in a style that protected his chestplate, since that contained the controls for his life support. As for ESB, I think he was trying to get a reasonable "talk" in with an emotional Luke and only defensely parrying his blows.

The idea of keeping one hand slack as a psychological tactic is a good one though; it would lead the opponent to believe you're a cool cucumber and not using all of your strengths. I like that.

ROTSfan

Well, if you think about it, if someone's not all that great, you don't want to waste your breath! I guess Vader was cutting Luke some slack. But when Luke got better, was Vader gonna risk his forsaken just so he could seem cool, fighting with one arm and all? Come on people! This isn't rocket science! LeiaOrganicSolo 21:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fighting style

Dear 68.34.156.49, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

  • Gee I don't know. Maybe I'm talking about the quote I took from Anakin/Vaders page under lightsaber training. Right under the pic of him and Luke dueling on the Death Star, is that quote. Why don't u read it before u make out like I don't know what **** I'm talking about, u asshole! 68.34.156.49 20:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Love Ryan
  • Calm down or you guys will receive a short ban. No personal attacks. Chack Jadson (Talk) 00:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Darth Vader

Why doesn't Darth Vader have his own article. I would have thought he would because he was a different character. Also, what's up at the top of the page?--UESPA 22:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Used to be on a different page but got merged after several arguments on the subject. And if you mean the funny blue URLs, they should be little icons but it isn't working at the moment. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I agree with UESPA, I reckon there should be a different page for Darth Vader. I mean, Anakin is a powerful Jedi, and the romance with Padme makes the character very sweet, and I don't think the horrors of Darth Vader should be on the same page, seriously. They are really two seperate characters. It would be much more sympathetic to Anakin.
      • No, they were the same person, which means there should be only one article on them. Sorry, but your opinions don't really mean much when it comes to this topic. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 16:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Then who's does? Just because Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person doesn't mean that they are the same character.

  • They were the same person, and that warrants only one article. Palpatine was obviously a different person before becoming a Sith; we don't have a separate article for his pre-Sith self, do we? Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 01:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, technically, they aren't the same people. Anakin was someone deep down inside Vader. Vise Versa. Besides, making them two articles means less clutter. LeiaOrganicSolo 14:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I think there should be a separate article just because this one is so long.
    • It's not happening. Chack Jadson (Talk) 11:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
    • They are the same person, Anakin became Darth Vader. We've had this discussion before, and we decided that because they're the same person, he gets only one article. Also, splitting an article up because "it's too long" would mean we'd have to split up multiple other articles that should really not be split up either. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 12:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Who cares if the article is long? In my opinion, it makes it look better and more well-written. Anakin and Vader are the same person, and therefore, must be in the same article. —C Teng(talk) 16:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

New main quote?

"I've accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father."
―Luke Skywalker[src]

How does this sound? Lalala la 10:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

  • It doesn't really tell us anything about the character. Nothing about his personality or talents. Still, the current one's not great, and we'd welcome a change if someone can find a good quote (though I doubt it, I'm sure people have already checked all the sources for quotes). Chack Jadson (Talk) 20:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Er, what about "Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he's still getting stronger", said by Mace Windu in Ep 2 or 3?

    • Mace never said that. He did say that "the boy has exceptional skills" but that's it. leandar 21:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he said it in a film, i think the third one, but let's not argue. perhaps it doesn't fit, maybe it does, but I'll leave it to you guys to decide. I've only been into star wars for just a bit over a year.

  • No, not in the movie. Probably in the novelization. The dialogue is certainly different enough in the book. leandar 12:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • What about "He is impatient, strong willed, very opinionated, but truly gifted."? Said by Obi-wan in the RotS. - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 09:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Not in the movie. Probably in the novelization. leandar 12:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
    • No, Obi-wan does say that in the film, he says it when he's talking to Padme, I can't be bothered to find out exactly where at the mo but I can if I need to - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 15:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
      • If you're talking about the scene where he went to talk to Padme because he was worried about Anakin and he tells Padme that he knows that she and Anakin love each other but he won't tell the Council, that scene was deleted and is not in the movie. It is in the novelization and the script. When he went to see her the second time, he was only interested in Anakin's location because he was going to confront Darth Vader. leandar 20:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't we use the Mace Windu quote even if it is just in the novelization? Does it have to be in a film?

  • Nope it doesn't have to be in the film, personally I like the "He is impatient, strong willed, very opinionated, but truly gifted." one, maybe a vote is in order? - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, let's vote. I vote for the Mace Windu quote, "Anakin is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he's still getting stronger"

I still think it's in a film!

Ahsoka

  • Shouldn't there be a mention that Ahsoka Tano was his Padawan while Anakin was still a Jedi Knight? Possibly under "Knighthood"? 63.64.127.15 22:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering. Ahsoka Tano was his Padawan, according to the Clone Wars 3D or whatever the hell it's called. Could someone add that? I haven't done enough research, and I don't think unregistered members are allowed to edit this article.

  • I imagine that there probably wouldn't be much to tell until we get to the movie and the series and see how long she lasts with Anakin. Something tells me, and I have no idea what's happening in the movie beyond the trailer, that she won't be with him for too very long. leandar 01:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I read the junior novel of Clone Wars, and she doesn't die in that. Maybe she dies after that. She isn't in Labyrinth of Evil. I'm going to see the movie today. I'll tell you how it ends. LeiaOrganicSolo 14:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC) SPOILER LeiaOrganicSolo 19:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC) again. Ahsoka doesn't die in the movie, although she may die in the TV series coming out. LeiaOrganicSolo 19:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC) SPOILER ENDS

Behind the Scenes - WWII?

  • There's a paragraph in the Behind the Scenes section that seems rather wildly speculative "Anakin also shows symmetry with several people in World War II..." etc.

TO me, this sounds like one contributor's personal speculation and does not seem terribly well researched (there's no outside source on any of these ideas, and seems rather dubious to begin with) not to mention that his helmet is modelled after a japanese style, not a nazi helmet. I'm going to pull it off the page...if someone's very attached to it and can make a good case why this is so then by all means revert it back. Jett Windar 06:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC) Or maybe not. I guess the page is locked. SO much for working on those clean-up tags. Jett Windar 06:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Article too long

I don't want to incite a riot, but this article is really long. I think it should be split up into Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader articles because it is currently the second longest article on Wookiepedia. While the Palpatine and Luke articles may be harder to trim down, this one is a no-brainer (at least in my eyes). Sorry for opening old wounds, but this is probably the easiest way (but not the only way) of reducing the file size. BocoROTH 20:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree but it is too long--Ryal 17:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not too long! I like juicy articles.

  • Yeah, me too! leandar 23:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes! Yes! I agree! The Anakin/Darth Vader article is to long. Plus, I hate the fact that it's "Darth Vader, redirected from Anakin Skywalker." He was Anakin in the end. LeiaOrganicSolo 14:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

    • The article was established this way by consensus track thread. Posting on old topics about how you dislike the article's length is not going to help things. And really, it's not long enough. It should be on an order of 600-700 KB, instead of its paltry 200. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 15:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

"Adherence to the Hero Cycle" section

Is it just me or this section is pure OR? Stake black msg 19:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

  • It is to a degree, but it's a well-known character model. The things mentioned are self-sourcing, and while I guess it depends on your interpretation, it's pretty obvious they fit that trait. I personally think it should stay. What do others think? Chack Jadson (Talk) 15:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Some parts aren't that obvious, and require interpretation, such as these:
      • 5.3. Crucifixion—Anakin's and Obi-Wan's lightsabers perfectly crossed above Anakin's chest during their duel on Mustafar.
      • 6.1. Imprisonment in whale's belly—Capture in the "belly" of Invisible Hand and in the "belly" of the Geonosian arena.
      • 6.3. Petrification—Anakin immolated on Mustafar; electrocuted by Palpatine aboard the second Death Star. Stake black msg 16:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • And...? Stake black msg 12:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Your points make sense for those events. I think removing them would be okay. Anyone else have an opinion? Chack Jadson (Talk) 13:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Well I think it's kinda cool that George Lucas refers to that, it's not needed in the Anakin Skywalker page, infact I don't think it rally needs that much space because every one knows Anakin turns into a true hero in the end. Plus since it only contimplates to Anakin it shouldn't refer to Luke. Mecenarylord 18:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll give it a few days, if no one objects it, I'm removing it, all right? Stake black msg 21:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Just those things, or all of it? Chack Jadson (Talk) 22:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm thinking of removing it all. Stake black msg 13:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
      • I recommend removing only the ones like those listed above. The non-obvious ones only should go. Chack Jadson (Talk) 18:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Introduction

The introduction to this article really needs a rewrite. It seems to be more a list of anakin's decendents, than a summary of his life and there is almost nothing in it about the "Darth Vader" period of his life, which is like the most significant bit of his life. --Tom rules 16:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahsoka Tano

In the infobox about Anakin it says that Asoka Teno was his Jedi Apprentice, but its never mentioned anywhere else in the article as far as I could tell. I know the article's long already, but if there was information about that, it would certainly help me know who that was, as well as a bunch of other people probably. Or am I just totally stupid for not knowing who Ahsoka is. Aqua Unasi 19:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

    • Its not that ur totally stupid its that you probably haven't seen the new clone wars trailer. You'll pretty much get everything after that -—Unsigned comment by Steves490 (talk • contribs)
      • Right. Ahsoka Tano is going to be a character in the upcoming Clone Wars TV show. Since the show hasn't come out yet, there isn't much info about the actual things she and Anakin do. -LtNOWIS 22:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

a call to seperation

darth vader and anikin are basicly two different also if you say want to look at darth vader info you have to scroll all the way down lets vote to return the page as it used to be--Ryal 03:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

please learn how to spell!

FWY, it's Anakin. Not anikin. Plus, it's easier to read when you use periods. LeiaOrganicSolo 14:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

a call to seperation

darth and anikin are seperate it is very inconveinient to scrool down almost an entire page lets bring this up and vote --Ryal 03:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC) IT'S ANAKIN! NOT ANIKIN! I'M SORRY, BUT LEARN TO SPELL DUDE!LeiaOrganicSolo 14:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, but people are not going to want to separate this. Even the possibility of a vote would be shot down quickly. Chack Jadson (Talk) 13:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    • If you're saying the Anakin and Vader articles should be split, I disagree. Anakin was Vader, and he had turned to the dark side. If it was really not just Anakin who turned to the dark side, Episode III was not tragic at all, but pointless and Anakin would be blameless. It shouldn't be changed simply because it is inconvenient.
"There was no Vader. There was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker."
―Revenge of the Sith novelization[src]

Drewton 01:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC) but the databank seperates them--Ryal 17:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

  • But this isn't the Databank. This is Wookieepedia and we have a right to do things our own way instead of being a carbon copy of the Databank. Darth Anakin 17:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that there should be seperate articles for Anakin and Darth Vader. Anakin is a powerful Jedi, and the whole romance with Padme makes the character very sweet. It would be much more sympathetic to Anakin to make a separate page for Darth Vader.

I'm kind of repeating what I said at the top.

Anakin and Vader are two different people! Like Obi-Wan said, "He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker..." Or something like that! Also, sorry about yelling at the top...LeiaOrganicSolo 14:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Wookieepedia has NPOV; it's not sympathetic. As for Obi-Wan's quote: from a certain point of view. Saying that they're different people is absurd. The story isn't tragic at all, then. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 15:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

merchandise

On the merchandise wiki, i think we should merge Anakin and Vader together.I ask here as theres no one on the merchandise wiki.Please reply to User:Sgtcook, thanks.217.44.210.237 13:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I have decided to merge them as you have on this wiki.If you just agree, just tell me.Sgtcook 20:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The Last of the Jedi Update Needed

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this article needs an update for The Last of the Jedi: Master of Deception. Would it be at all possible if somebody else would do it??--71.237.226.3 20:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Dark Lord: The rise of Darth vader

The timeline seems to be missing all of what happened during the Novel, "Dark Lord: The rise of Darth Vader" Which shows his transformation from a tragic hero to the Dark lord of the Sith. The book shows his change of attitudes for the remaining Jedi, his change of fighting style, and the beginning of his suspicions about whether or not Sidious truly was on his side. These events seem to be important to the overall character development of Vader. The lack of information about this time period should probably be fixed. I'd do it but I'm not registered and I cannot write in the various wiki standards that need to be upheld. 76.115.211.185 04:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I have Rise of Darth Vader, so I will add content from it this week. Drewton 12:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Updating and getting rid of that content tag!

For petes sake, that content tag has been there for months now! Someone update all the necessary parts already! 202.69.170.163 07:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Vector

Shouldn't Vader's part in Star Wars: Vector be added to the article? 72.141.203.84 19:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Exactly my point. There is so much content out there right now with Vader, yet there doesn't seem to be updates... 210.4.126.119 01:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing and Revisions

  • I've started editing and revising this page where I can, but I am not all that familiar with the EU sections of Anakin's life, so it's hard to do any real revision and still keep the necessary information. I've been working on the movie sections, which I am familiar with (obviously), so I was wondering if anyone could work to bring the other sections into line? AngelQueen 15:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I'll hopefully have some time this week to add information from Rise of Darth Vader. Drewton 16:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Knight

The Databank[1] now says that Anakin became a Jedi Knight and a general at the BEGINNING of the Clone Wars and not at the END. That retcons the previous Clone Wars series, most of the Republic series and the novel Jedi Trial ! [[:File:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk | 19:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

  • That's very, very silly (that they retconned that)... Drewton 21:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes and I'm sure they are doing this only to allow Anakin to have that padawan sooner... [[:File:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk | 21:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I REALLY hope this doesn't come to pass.... it bodes ill for whats gonna happen when the Live Action Series starts (although granted theres less EU to tred on in that era, but still), I don't care if it IS Lucas running the show, have some respect for the stories that have come before hand, he DID let them write those stories after all.Jedi-Sith 15:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Move to Darth Vader?

There's been alot of talk on the site recently with regards to moving articles, and the general consensus is that articles should be named based on what name the characters were known most by. Most recently it has been about Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo, and there is currently a talk going on about whether the Kreia article should be moved to Darth Traya or not. That said, I think it is time we came to have a look at this article once again. Now, before anyone starts with the whole "we're not splitting the articles!!", that is not why I am writing. I am simply recommending that the article be shifted to Darth Vader. I am proposing this for a couple of reasons.

  1. He spent most of his life under the name Darth Vader (23 years as Vader compared to the 21 as Anakin Skywalker)
  2. He was known as Darth Vader to more people in the galaxy then he ever was as Skywalker, which is not surprise considering he effectively ruled an entire galaxy under the name of Vader.

So there you go, those are my reasons. Now, please; lets discuss this in a civil way. Jasca Ducato Sith Council 13:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Valid reasons, both, but if I'm remembering correctly, we go with the "final status" so to speak. Skywalker was unambiguously redeemed at the time of his death, and died as Anakin Skywalker, not as Darth Vader. It's like if a character suddenly turns Sith or suddenly turns Jedi or whatever...we immediately change the infobox. The same principle is applied here, but extended to the name. Traya...used that name in the same way that Dooku used Tyrannus, that is, in secret, so I wouldn't agree to that usage either. As for Solo, I haven't read Invincible, but apparently spoiler period isn't over, so I can't really say anything there. Thefourdotelipsis 13:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Thefourdotelipsis has a point. He died Anakin Skywalker. In the end of ROTJ, the ghost is Anakin, not Vader. A-N-A-K-I-N! LeiaOrganicSolo 21:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I think people need to decide which one to go with, the final status approach or the best known approach, because currently its really messy, in the final status approach Dooku should be Darth Tyranus and Kreia should be Darth Traya, Anakin should be Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine should be Darth Sidious and Jacen should be Darth Caedus, in the best known approach, Kriea and Dooku and Palpatine are appropriate, but goodness knows what you would argue for Anakin and Jacen's cases. Jedi-Sith 15:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Jacen should be Jacen, not Cadeus, just like Anakin! They died as their original selves!!!LeiaOrganicSolo 21:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Actually, Jedi-Sith, the last known names of those examples are (in order): Dooku, Kreia, Anakin, Palpatine, and Darth Caedus (which is why all those articles are where they are now). Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 15:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Actually the galaxy never knew Anakin lastly as Anakin, they knew him as Vader... however if you go by what Anakin considered himself in his final state then he is indeed Anakin (which is why I say final state for the others would be Tyranus, Traya, Sidious and Caedus). Even with your argument Traya is definately Traya... check the game put your cursor over her in the final battle - sure enough, says Darth Traya... not Kreia. Quite honestly I don't really mind what standard people choose, I'm just saying at the moment its not very clear, nor are people sticking to a standard properly Jedi-Sith 15:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
        • But Dooku never really used his Sith name. When he died, he used Dooku. When Palpatine died, he used Palpatine (having not used Sidious since around 19 BBY). Caedus died as Caedus. As for Traya/Kreia, I'm leaving that debate to be handled on Talk:Kreia, where I'm involved in it. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 16:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Dooku only used Tyranus with a small group of people, not even his Dark Acolytes as I understand it. He was known by most of everyone as Dooku. As for Traya, well I don't know much about her, but weren't there two Trayas? Then Anakin, well I don't recall him saying "No, its Anakin now.", before he died. Maybe when he came back, but otherwise I only remember him saying "That name no longer has any meaning for me." And as I understand it, an article is named after a character or location's true given name, despite what they were known by (in the case of Thrawn and Mon Calamari), unless they give it up, as in the case with Grievous, Caedus, etc. This seems to be the case with Anakin.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 16:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
      • You're confusing me. Are you saying that this should be moved to Darth Vader? If you are, then no, because he died as Anakin. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 17:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
        • I am saying that the move should be made to Darth Vader. Vader, like Grievous, forsook his real name for another. While his ghost might have gone back to Anakin, that would have only been after he died.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 18:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
          • No. When he killed Palpatine, he ceased to be Vader. He was redeemed, and therefore died as Anakin Skywalker. You have seen Return of the Jedi, right? Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 18:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
            • Actually Tranner, all those articles are titled by which name the character was most well known. You cold say that, as jaina believed Jacen had redeemed himself jst before he died, the article should be under the name Jacen Solo, but it's not. By that point he was known as Darth Caedus. It is the same for this article, the only person who knew Vader as Anakin was his son, even for years afterwards he was still called Vader by most people in the galaxy, including the vast majority of the New Jedi Order. Jasca Ducato Sith Council 18:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
            • Regardless of how he was known, whether or not he could be considered Anakin, since he was redeemed and all, is irrelevent. He abandoned his old name in preference of Darth Vader, just because he turned at the last moment doesn't mean he accepted his name again. There is no proof of that, just your speculation. One could theorize that just prior to Dooku's death that he realized he had taken the wrong path, afterall his last thought was "Treachery is the way of the Sith." But does that mean that he wasn't a Sith at the moment of his death? No. The same goes for most Sith and other such "wrong doers". Ysanne Isard realized just before her death that she had failed the Empire, does that mean she ceased to be an Imperial? No. Vader was still a Sith Lord at the time of his death so his name is still that of the Sith when he dies.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 19:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
              • Ducato: And they are all under the name by which they were last known. Mitth'raw'nuruodo: A redeemed Sith does not still go by his Darth name. In killing Palpatine to save his son, Darth Vader rejected the way of the Sith and became Anakin Skywalker again. That is not speculation. I direct you to the Return of the Jedi novel, written by James Kahn and published in 1983, page 176: "With that, he closed his eyes, and Darth Vader - Anakin Skywalker - died." Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 20:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                • It still says Darth Vader, not just Anakin Skywalker. This may be a childish comment, but I might add that Darth Vader's name came first in that excerpt. Not much of a point but it was worth mentioning. Once again I feel I need to point out that a redeemed Sith is a Sith nonetheless. Besides, one could make a case that Darth Vader killed Palpatine out of revenge (I mean Palpatine did admit before Vader himself that he wanted Luke to replace his father, don't you think Vader could have had a "Treachery is the way of the Sith" moment?) But I'm not saying that this was definitely the case, just that we can't assume that Vader's actions were completely selfless. I mean Vader was a mass-murderer for 23 years and he's 100% good again in the blink of an eye? I don't think so.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 20:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                  • Let me point out the flaws in your comment: Saying a "redeemed Sith is a Sith nonetheless" is 100% wrong. A redeemed Sith is a Jedi. He killed Palpatine to save his son, not out of revenge. And the fact that Anakin Skywalker is specifically mentioned in that quote shows that he was redeemed and became Anakin before he died. If it would have said "Darth Vader, once the man named Anakin Skywalker, died," then I would agree with you. But alas, it doesn't, so I don't. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 20:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                    • A redeemed Sith is not automatically a Jedi. It could be one of many things. The Jedi and the Sith are not the only groups that comprise Force users. To assume that a redeemed Sith is automatically a Jedi is an incorrect and arrogant assumption. Besides while Vader almost certainly killed Palpatine to save Luke, there still remains the possibility that it was due to an additional reason, but "killed Palpatine" does not equate to "saved Luke so he must be a Jedi again". Also the presence of Darth Vader in the above excerpt prevents it from being used as evidence that Vader had totally become Anakin again. If it had said "Anakin, now redeemed, closed his eyes" then yes, sure, I'd agree with you. But it didn't, therefore we'll need better evidence that Vader accepted his old personna before he died.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 20:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                      • Okay, you're right in saying that a redeemed Sith isn't automatically a Jedi. However, a redeemed Sith would not go by his "Darth" name. Also, Anakin does say as he dies that Luke was right about him, assuming that's in reference to one of Luke's earlier comments about feeling the struggle inside of his father while on Endor. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                        • That still doesn't mean that he gave up being Darth Vader. I'm still not quite convinced, though your argument has substance. I want to see what others think about this before making a descision.--Mitth'raw'nuruodo(Imperial HoloNet)20px 21:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Luke believed that Vader was Anakin Skywalker once and could become Anakin Skywalker again. Before he dies, Anakin says that Luke was right about him; he did become Anakin Skywalker again. In conclusion, he dies as Anakin Skywalker and his page should reflect that. Darth Anakin 21:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Though as you said, if a Sith is redeemed he doesn't automatically become a Jedi, Vader definitely died as Anakin, and a redeemed Sith wouldn't call himself by his old Darth title. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 22:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Okay, I'm here to settle this at last. The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, page 207: "And in that moment of awareness, he was Darth Vader no more. He was Anakin Skywalker." Further on, the book mentions that Palpatine's lightning "electrified Anakin's organic remains;" "Anakin collapsed;" "Anakin knew;" "Anakin thought;" "Anakin said;" "Anakin's scarred features were exposed;" "Anakin smiled;" and "Anakin Skywalker had every reason to believe that he was finally about to embrace perpetual darkness. Not for the first time, he was wrong." Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 14:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
        • No, keep it as Anakin Skywalker! He was redeemed before he died, no longer a Sith Lord. —C Teng(talk) 16:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

He is the chosen one

Acording to Lucas Anakni destroyed the sith by killing himslef(Since he became a sith lord) and the emmperor to save his son's life-207.241.247.30 16:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Coruscant Nights

I have yet to read the book as it's not published yet in Australia or I would update this myself. I have only a vague idea of what Vader does in this book, but I know it involves Nick and Vader's speaking like in ESB. Please update someone! Katana Geldar 09:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Apprentice

In the upcoming game: The force unleashed is revealed that Darth vader had an apprentice.

Imperial Spy

It is said that after Vader executed Rogor, Alliance once again began operating on Yavin.However in article about Rogor it is stated that his information led to Fifth Battle of Yavin after which Rebels abandoned Yavin Base.Which one is correct?

Fix up

I wish to register a complaint! There are quite a few major repairs we need to make such as TFU, Dark Times: Vector, and also adding the Clone Wars film info with Ahsoka. But how can we free users fix it if you don't relieve the protection that surrounds it. This is getting real serious for me. But if you won't let me fix this next time I come to Salve, do it yourselves because it's your mess after all. 198.7.229.2 15:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

  • The article is semi-protected to stop anonymous users editing it because the majority of vandalism comes from anons. It is completely free to sign up and get an account, and doesn't require an email address or anything (though there is an option to include one). After you've signed up, it should take a day or two until you can edit semi-protected pages, but from then on, you can contribute to this and other articles as you please (assuming your edits are not vandalism and conform with the Manual of Style, etc). Hope that helps. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 15:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Look. I'd love to, but I'm being blocked for a year until March 11. Fortunately, I turned in a new loaf and I'll be moving to a new home soon. I'm sure to create an account there soon.

Anyway, I noticed some things we need to clear up. In section 8 of Serving the Emperor, you have to give two spaces on the commas between Shaak Ti. As for the rest of the section, we'll need to mention Vader's encounter with Kota on Kashyyyk, Starkiller's name, Rahm Kota and the other Jedi, and Vader betraying Starkiller resulting their duel on the Death Star. And in Vector, don't forget Celeste Morne and afterwards.

This time, try not to lazy on fixing... Admiral. 198.7.229.2 14:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

"Skyguy"

According to the Force-Cast, Ahsoka Tano calls Anakin "Skyguy" and he has a nickname for her but I Forget what it it is. "Sopes" or something like that. Wish I could link to it, but it was only on the Force-Cast. Katana Geldar 10:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Her nickname is "Snips". (as in "Don't be snippy with me!")

ROTSfan

Darth Vader's story in Soul Calibur 4

One of my friends in Singapore got the early "Limited Edition for the PS3" and this is Darth Vaders story:

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

During a battle between the Galatic Empire and the Rebel Alliance, Darth Vader, Dark Lord and right-hand of Emperor

Palpatine, sensed a faint ripple of power. It was a very small sensation, but he did not dismiss it, and he began an investigation in secret. The ripple came from a disturbance that sporadically appeared in one specific region of space. As time passed, the frequency of the disturbance, as well as the strength of its effect, increased. It soon became a constant distortion and other began to realise that something strange was happening in the universe as well. However, because Darth Vader had been observing the phenomenon from the start, he already knew the cause of the distortion.

A being from a different dimension was attempting to open a portal into their universe. Various data indicated thatt a massive power lay at the core of the disturbance. Could that unknown power be utilized? With that possibility in mind, Darth Vader arranged from the securing of the area of space where the distortion existed, and received a report that a dimensional portal had opened.

After waiting for conditions to stabilize, Darth Vader proceeded forward into another galaxy. He searched for the origins of the wave of power and arrived at a planet.

The planet was in constant turmoil, the cause of which was two swords; two forces with opposite natures. The conflicting nature of the dissonant forces resonated off of one another and created massive waves of power. But swords wre not their true form, they were beings that best could be described as convergent energy forms.

Darth Vader had no doubt in his mind. He would be able to wield these forces-Soul Calibur and Soul Edge-as he wished. Once they were in his hands, these two contrasting swords would enable him to rule the galaxy. 210.4.126.16 07:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Rogor

I didn't deleted information about Rogor.I just moved it where it should be placed,in the Completion of the Executor You have to watch more closely before undo something.

"Skyguy"

Is that nickname relevant in the aticle's introduction? He must of been called lots of names by lots of individuals, but I don't think it should be there. Maybe behind the scenes or something...--Seth danny 15:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

New infobox image Vote

Anakin Skywalker's infobox image Vote. Sorry about image order. It's suppose to be 1#, 2#,3#, 4# not 2#, 1#, 4#,3#. —Unsigned comment by Jedi Trainer (talk • contribs) File:AnakinEstGrumpy.jpg|1 File:Anakin Prime.jpg|2 File:Anakin-OP.jpg|3 File:Anakin.png|4

  • 1 or 4. Promotional's always better and 3's "outdated". Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 23:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • 1. 3 is old, and 4 stinks. Chack Jadson (Talk) 23:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I moved the images into a gallery for better presentation. For what it's worth, I think they're all terrible, and we should go with one of Vader. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Stick with 1. Aqua Unasi 16:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Why are we even having this vote? 1. Though I agree with Ackbar but that's only because of my extreme dislike for Hayden...--Redemption25px(Talk) 16:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Either 2 or 4, number 1 looks like anakin is havin a bad hair day. Honestly I'm sure there are a lot better images of him than what we've got here Steves490 15:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Per Ackbar, i think we have a policy of using the latest picture possible in the Infobox, also this needs to be conducted probable with sections, — RC-1136 Hate Mail Here 16:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Anything but 4. And 2. Which leaves 1 and 3. Not 3 though, because that's outdated compared to the others. So 1. -- I need a name (Complain here) 16:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • the first image reflects Anakin best overall IMO. MadclawShyriiwook! 17:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
    1. 1. Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing (Oya Manda!) 18:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Stick with 1, the others look terrible. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
    • It's going to be 1. I don't think this vote is necessary. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Clone Wars

Please update from the TV series.

Imperial Spy

Information about Rogor should be deleted from the Construction of the Executor because it is already canonically placed in the Completion of the Executor QuiGonJinn 10:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

Where does the "canonical" placement for this come from, though? The author intent, plus internal evidence (Q-7N) places it far earlier, just before Mission # 9 - 12.

Sith Lord Section

Right After Force Choke its says Vader also appeared to have great physical strength, able to lift a grown man by the throat with one hand, and picking up the Emperor and hurling him to his death. Whether these feats result from his use of the Force or from the power of his cybernetic limbs is unknown. However, it seems most likely to be a result of his mechanical appendages, as when he choked Obi-Wan in their battle on Mustafar. In the last sentence I'm pretty sure Vader never chocked obi-wan with mechanical appendages on Mustafar because that was before he even had mechanical appendages right? DracosTheBlack 02:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually, his right arm was already mechanical following his duel with Darth Tyranus on Geonosis. Can't remember if it's indeed this arm that he uses to choke Obi-Wan though....Darth Revan. 11:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    • True true, the sentence just made it sound like as "Robotic Vader" to me. Can it be changed to be more clear so we can know if its talking about "metal" vador or "meat" vader heh.DracosTheBlack 14:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Also in the Force Absorb section it talks about Vader absorbing blaster shots which is not cited. In Empire Strikes Back he deflects them with his gloves and in the armor section it says that his gloves are made unique micronized iron to deflect anything but a Light Saber. It should probably be changed to deflect blasters with his gloves or cited where it says he can absorb them.DracosTheBlack 15:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Read Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the first Star Wars EU novel ever written, among others. He gets shot and isn't injured. -Milo Fett[Comlink] 15:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Then that needs to be cited because he uses his gloves in the movie and it tells you that's what they are for in the armor section.DracosTheBlack 15:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm going to change this to his armor deflect unless there is a source provided. The star wars data bank says his gloves can deflect anything short of a lightsaber. DracosTheBlack 15:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Vader cannot use the Force!!!

Ok, i was thinking the other day, since anakin's arm got sliced off in AOTC, in ROTS, he doesnt (and, according to the Starwars universe, can'l) use the force on/from that arm. later in ROTS, he gets transformed into the quadra-mechanica-ed(mechanical limbed) Darth Vader. According to the SW universal rules and the rules of the force, a jedi/sith/force-user cannot use the force (actively) if he doesnt have any flesh&blood in that area. So, my question is: how come in TESB, Vader uses the Force to pull Han Solo's blaster to him, after stopping/absorbing the blasts with his gauntlet??? And, if this is an exception, are the "rules of the Force" more like 'guidelines'??? L1berat3r 02:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Where exactly did you here this? I seem to be having trouble finding it myself. // ~mikah~ 03:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I can only assume that the jedi/ sith are controlling the force with their mind, and last time i checked vader still had an organic head.

Umm, no? He can't use electrical energy-based force moves. (force lightning and such.) And his connection to the force is reduced. (Though his force potential is still much greater than other sith lords. And one must remember that the force is infinte, and only the strength of your wil governs what it can do.)

Anakin's apprentices

Ahsoka Tano,Antinnis Tremayne, Halmere, Lanu Pasiq, and Gwellib Ap-Llewff are in the Known Masters section instead of the known apprentices section. —Unsigned comment by Pwnzor326 (talk • contribs)

Sorry didn't realize it was in the right section it just looks that way on the page. —Unsigned comment by Pwnzor326 (talk • contribs)

Image

I don't know if there's been a war over this already or something, but please, no Hayden Christensen. Darth Vader's picture is much more recognized, and much more respected. 129.107.81.12 21:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

  • He died Anakin Skywalker, so it makes sense to show him as his Jedi-self. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 21:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
    • No it doesn't. That makes as much sense as putting Hayden into the ghost scene at the end of EP VI - none. Everybody I knows' first reaction was "wtf? I thought he was old??". That said. Please, no pretty boy. Darth Vader is, and always will be, the more respected and well-known character than Anakin Skywalker. It's only fair to use his image. After all, it has a lot more screen time than any of the three other actors. And frankly, Hayden isn't worthy of such a place. I *STRONGLY* object to this outrage. 129.107.81.12 01:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Also, if you want to be picky about "how he died as a Jedi", he died as an old man (Jedi), and we would have to use the picture of Vader without his helmet at the end of EP VI (telling Luke "tell your sister, you were right"), since that is the last we see of him alive - as a Jedi. 129.107.81.12 01:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Look, I understand that a lot of you Wookieepedia anal-rententive control-freak nazis like to be picky about things, but:

1 - In this case you're wrong, he dies as an old man, and, following your logic, we would need a picture of Vader without his helmet saying good-bye to Luke. 2 - This is *DARTH VADER*, possibly the most important character in Star Wars, rated as the 5th greatest movie villian of all time, and you're ruining his image for the sake of your personal technicalities that don't even follow logic? That's too much. Normally, when I encounter bureaucratic types like you, I'm only mildly annoyed, but I'm genuinely pissed off that you're screwing over Darth Vader for this. How dare you? I mean really, how dare you? This is a disgrace to the OT. A pure, and total disgrace. Why? 129.107.81.12 01:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

  • WHY?! 129.107.81.12 01:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
    • #takes a few moments to collect himself#

OK, sorry for the outburst (and the unnecessary personal/collective attacks), but seriously, why? The logic of "he died as a Jedi" does not follow through to justifying making the image of Hayden Christiansen, since Darth Vader did not die as Hayden Christensen, he died as Vader/Anakin with part of his vital helmet missing. Personally, I don't like that as an image either, but it makes more sense logically than your justification for Hayden Christiansen. All in all, an image of Vader, if for no reason other than respect for the Original Trilogy, belongs as the image. 129.107.81.12 01:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually, I have a new suggestion, why not make an image that places all three different "Anakins" as well as Darth Vader together in one photo? That way we see all the different key stages of his life, and everybody is happy? :) 129.107.81.12 01:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
    • And in that image *maybe* include Darth Vader with the part of the mask removed as well as the cartoon Anakin, but probably not those last two... 129.107.81.12 01:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Umm, in an atricle about anakin skywalker, putting a symbol of all that anakin fought against as his picture seems a lil' wrong.--70.71.240.170 03:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Starkiller's Training

On Corellia, when Vader and the Emperor's trap snaps shut on the Rebel leaders, Vader informed Galen that he had lied to him "from the very beginning". Also, when Galen accuses Vader of never intending to destroy the Emperor, Vader states "not with you, no". It is also stated, in the book and the graphic novel, that Galen's kidnapping from Kashyyyk was the Emperor's idea. If all this is true, why did Vader train Starkiller, if not to destroy the Emperor? Why would the Emperor want Vader to have an apprentice? —Unsigned comment by 72.22.177.240 (talk • contribs).

It's explained in the story itself. The entire thing was an elaborate plot to both destroy the Empire's enemies (Galen killed several Jedi who could have posed threats to the Empire) but also to root out the Empire's other less obvious enemies. Those being Bail, Iblis and Mothma (and others like them). Palpatine knew that there were those who still didn't like what he had done and wanted to get rid of them. However it was hard to single out just exactly who these dissidents were, so by having Marek bring them to light by creating the alliance he could take them all out in one swoop which he would have done had Starkiller not intervened. What he had originally planned to end quickly before it could ever gain momentum ended up becoming the Rebel Alliance that eventually grew into the New Republic. You might say it was a little over the top to go through all that just for that purpose, but, well we're talking about the man who started an entire galactic war (the Clone wars) just so he could destroy the Jedi and place himself in the seat of power. Hope that explains it. - Darth Endis 23:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture

The original picture is this one : [2]. The quality is too bad when you see it at 100%, the original image needs to be reduced a little bit to improve its quality. It would be sad to have a so bad quality picture for one of the most important articles of the wiki. Klow 16:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

"[We] don't have permission to access that file." The profile picture is fine as it is anyway; there's no need to change it. // ~mikah~ 18:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Praesitlyn

Someone please add Battle of Praesitlyn section. I haven't read the book, but I think it was an important part of skywalker's career. QuiGonJinn 18:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

Vader's gloves or Force Absorb/Deflect

Is vader's blast absorbtion/deflection really due to the the gloves or the force? I recall that in the Empire:Betrayal comic he deflects blaster fire and the blast not only accuarately hits the trooper's head but it hits harder than a regular blast and takes the troopers head off. And in Boba Fett: Enemy Of the Empire when Boba is firing at him he is redirecting all the fire coming towards him to his sides before it hits his glove. The Ten (04:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC))

In addition to that I think it's referenced in I Jedi when Luke is trying to get a feel for what Corran can do with the force he tells him about what Vader did with Han's blaster shots and says he think Corran can do the same thing through the force. Jacenskylo 16:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes i went and read through i jedi and Luke did comment that his father could absorb or deflect blaster bolts and that he could use the energy to perform telekinetic feats. The Ten 17:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Why can't I edit?

OK, I am mad. I want to add the stuff about Teth and Cristophisis and praesitlyn, but I can't. Why not?74.186.151.239 22:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC).

  • Due to what I'm assuming was persistant vandalism attempts (the article was semi-protected even before I joined), unregistered and new (younger than five days, I believe) users are incapable of editing the article. Instead, you can post your desired additions here, and other users will glaldly add them for you. As a final note, you should consider getting an account yourself to avoid this situation in the future; new users are always welcomed. :) // ~mikah~ 22:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

did Vader know?

In episode IV, did Vader know that Leia was his daughter? —Unsigned comment by TheRealChosenOne (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure, but Anakin Skywalker has been tricked a lot in his life. --Michaeldsuarez 10px (Activate Holocron) 16:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Vader learned she was his daughter eventually (as he used the idea of turning Leia to the dark side to lure out Luke in Episode VI), though I've no idea when. I tried finding an answer in the article, but I'd no luck. // ~mikah~ 18:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
    • If you want to get technical, Vader still didn't know it was Leia when he was taunting Luke. All he said was, "Sister. So, you have a twin sister. If you will not turn to the Dark side, then perhaps she will." No mention of him knowing her identity. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 19:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
      • However, he did know Leia was Luke's sister as soon as one day after his death, because he appears to her on Bakura in the Truce at Bakura. So, somewhere along the way he found out, be it putting the pieces together himself or once he reached the netherworld of the Force. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Something that I believe could use some clarification

I was reading the article, and got up to the part where Anakin killed Ke Daiv in [i]Rogue Planet[/i]. The article's wording makes it pretty clear that Anakin killed the Blood Carver with the Dark Side. But then, lo and behold, it states that "However, this was later proven not to be the case."

If Anakin DIDN'T kill Daiv with the Dark Side, then how DID he kill him? And if this IS true that that ISN'T what happened, shouldn't that part be edited to clarify things a bit?

Because, if I have to be honest, I find the wording rather confusing. I mean, the article does a complete 180 by saying one thing, then saying "Oh, wait, sorry, that ISN'T what happened" and then leaves it at that. Dewback rancher 01:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Didn't Force Heretic III state that he used the dark side? I believe Rogue Planet explicitly states that as well. Chack Jadson (Talk) 12:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Anakin's Conception

Hey I've heard alot of debate about Anakin's conception. Some time ago I read a very enlightening article about the subject. Unfortunately I do not remember the author, but they did pose one good point. Why would Sidious create someone who had the potential to kill him? —Unsigned comment by A14111914 (talk • contribs)

5.3 Factual correction - Chapter 6 Appearance: Change needed about Jedi Garb.

After reading this, and having extensive studies of the jedi garb worn by Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith, and also at the research of many others, I need to wholeheartedly disagree with the stating that Anakin wore a large amount of 'Black'...

The only thing on his clothing that was black was the Covertec Clip used to hold his lightsaber hilt to the belt. Everything else was a very dark shade of brown. This includes; The Lambskin (and Cowhide Stunt) Leather Glove used on his right arm, The 'Lambskin' and not Pleather Tabards worn on his torso, as well as the Outer Tunic AND Obi, followed by the Belt, Boots and Spats being brown also...

He did not wear black, as it was not in the Jedi Code. Many pictures may show that he has black on, however those are all Promo Shots. The dark brown garb were 'meant to simulate' his shift to darkness whilst still maintaining his precence as a Jedi, and as such may appear on screen in some instances as black, but never were so. The Picture in this section is of a Promo Shot, however if you scroll up to the top of the page, you can clearly see the garb is dark brown, and that the tabards are not Pleather.

If more extensive proof is needed of this fact, I urge you to visit www.sonsofthesuns.com and look inside the forums, which have a collective database of the costumes of Anakin Skywalker through the movies, which many members have screen accurate costumes to be members of the 501st and Rebel Legions, the Premiere Star Wars Costuming Organisations worldwide, raising money for Starlight Starbright foundations with Movie accurate costumes..

Hopefully you will be able to change this section, and possibly remove the black Promo Photos with replacement of ones showing the real costume. Cheers and hope you all can agree with me on this one :)

Matt 'Alcfalath' Wilson.

BH/SL-6618, 501st Legion, Terror Australis Garrison.

Temple of the Twin Suns Temple Master, Rebel Legion Tatooine Base.

Punishment

The==punishment==section states "Palpatine was not pleased with Vader's failure at the Battle of Yavin, however, and Darth Vader was punished by losing his hand" As far as i'm aware anakin lost his first hand dueling Dooku in episode II and then his other in episode III. in the scene where he attempts to crawl from the edge of the lava, he is clearly maimed and missing all limbs except for the mechanical replacement for the one he lost in episode II... Am I misremembering?

  • That information (as I recall it was mentioned in Thrawn Trilogy) was written before the prequels were released so it intended to be the reason of Vader's artifical arm seen in Ep VI. But now, in the light of the prequels, it can be considered that Palpatine simply cut off Vader's mechanical arm. QuiGonJinn(Comlink)25px

Sith Master

Would Anakin be considered a Sith Master since he killed Palpatine (the first time), and that that is a requirement to become one. I know he returned to the light side, but for a moment he did achieve the requirements to be considered a Sith Master? Should this be mentioned anywhere like in trivia? Dark Ridley 19:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

  • If you went to the Sith Master or Sith apprentice article beforehand your question would have been answered. Steves490 19:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I was just wondering due to technically he didn't train an apprentice between Palpatines and then his own death, and that is a requirement. I know he had apprentices, but those were while Palpatine was still alive. Dark Ridley 19:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
      • He shouldn't be considered a Sith Master because when he grabed Palpatine and threw him in the Death Star's core, he ceased to be a Sith and was once again a Jedi. QuiGonJinn(Comlink)25px19:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Anakin's conception replys

I for one think that Anakin was in fact created by Plageis. did i spell his name correctly?

  • Sadly, we aren't the place for speculation; please see WP:NOT for more on what is and is not allowed. Additionally, his name is spelt with a U after the G (so it's "Plagueis"). And lastly, please sign your name with simply ~~~~ after your post, which will automatically generate your signature. Thank you. // ~mikah~ 23:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Image

There is one thing that confuses me. As I understand, the main picture is meant to represent character's last known appearance, that's why we have Alec Guinness'es appearance instead of McGregor's on Obi-Wan's page . So why do we have Hayden Christensen in the infobox here? I think the main pic should be changed to that of Sebastian Shaw from ROTJ. QuiGonJinnAlways remember, your focus determines your reality.20px 16:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

  • the last known appearance of Anakin was at the end of ROTJ on Endor. and it was an blue and very awkward looking Hayden Christensen. --Black Jack Scarron 04:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Yes, but it was his appearance as a GHOST. I mean Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qu Rahn, Dark Woman etc. all later appeared as ghosts but we still use their last known live appearance as a main pic. I don't know why Anakin is an exception.QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...16px 09:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
      • It doesn't make any sense, I agree, but there are too many wiki-control freaks who would gladly spend days reverting it back to Hayden. To be totally honest, having Hayden in Episode VI still doesn't make sense no matter how you justify it, because he died an old, redeemed man, being redeemed doesn't instantly make you young again. Xanofar 20:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What If Anakin Skywalker...

Hello. You all know that Anakin Annie Skywalker was turned to the Dark Side by Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Well, think if i goes like this: Anakin does save Mace's life, and kill Sidious. He continues training on TLSOTF ( The Light Side Of The Force), and does not turn on TDSOTF (The Dark Side Of The Force)?

Knighthood

  • The prior canon has established that Anakin was knighted 20 BBY. Now, the new Clone Wars "saga" is stating (per Wild Space) that Anakin was Knighted a month after Geonosis, placing it at 22 BBY. Has this been addressed by Lucas Licensing yet? Duke Starhopper 21:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Not yet, but they are working on it. QuiGonJinnAlways remember, your focus determines your reality.20px 14:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Lame - shouldn't they have thought about this BEFORE they started? They have a Keeper of the Holocron, for The Maker's sake... They have one huge Clone Wars multi-media series, just to be replaced by another? Annoying... Duke Starhopper 04:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
    • They did it because Lucas wanted to give Anakin a padawan in the new series, and in order to do it they retconned an entire Clone Wars timeline. You can thank George for that. I don't like this either. QuiGonJinnAlways remember, your focus determines your reality.20px 11:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
      • A Padawan that doesn't even merit a mention during the events of RotS. She's THAT important to the mythos... Duke Starhopper 00:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Well, Lucas wasn't planning to make this TV series until way after Jedi Trial was published. And besides, he's only changed the timeline, not the actual events (so far), so I'm not going to complain until he does that. Randombattledroid 22:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
      • I KNOW he wasn't planning the TV series then, which is why there's no reference to Asoka in RotS. But, by changing the timeline, everything changes. He's mentioned as a padawan in every other Clone Wars work, there's no Asoka (so, what happens to her? Dead? Off on her own so she maybe survives Order 66 and appears in the Live Action TV show?), and I'm sure events will eventually start conflicting (it's a 2 year period - things will end up over-lapping). Great job, George.Duke Starhopper 00:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of Vader

Is there any place that mentions where Palpatine came up with Vader's name? It seemed he had it readily available, so it seemed to come from somewhere... 70.178.12.157 23:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is because Anakin invaded the Jedi Temple during Operation: Knightfall, his first and most important mission as Sidious' apprentice. However, on a more deeper level, if we are to believe that Anakin was the result of the Sith's midichlorian manipulation and his "miraculous consception", then in a way the sith actually invaded the Jedi Temple in the guise of an innocent 10 year old boy, who grew up to know every inch of the building and had the respect of so many other Jedi (both young and old). When the time was ripe, Anakin would become a Sith apprentice and invade the place he had called home for so long, as was always part of the Sith's ultimate plan: to have one of the Jedi's greatest Knights turn against them and invade the temple as a Sith Lord. Makashi Master 16:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Why doesn't Vador use force lightning?

Since Vador has the dark side potential of lighting-users like Dooku, Palpatine, and Galen Marek, then why didn't he ever use force lighting?

  • It's Vader. And his armor prevents him from using it (think of the end of ROTJ). Chack Jadson (Talk) 12:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Darth Vaders fighting moves in Soul Calibur 4

I was thinking that because not much at least in great detail is know about Vaders personl fighting style. I think we should seriously consider the names and, the way he does his fighting moves in the Soul Calibur game to be cannon, but not to be considred all, and only fighting moves.

(bk777)

I do not understand why his fighting moves with his lightsaber would be considered noncanon just because its in this video game. All of his saber attacks are realistic to his character, are tactical, and add more to his fighting style. If you no one thinks it canon just because of the game it was fleshed out in, he would be left with just simple over head and horizontal attacks. In this game the designers took the time to make his fighting style true to the character, that fact alone should make it canon. For instance, if you wanted to point out what moves Vader used on Luke at the end of EP V before Luke loses his hand, you could say, with extreme detail, Darth Vader used Imperial Buster followed by Tempest Breaker, before throwing Luke to the ground and giving his first ultimatum, and so on.

(bk777)

Main Image

I think we should find a better image, the current image looks like Anakin sucked into the Dark Side already. Ldude893 13:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I think we need a picture that includes images of at least Ep. 3 Anakin AND Darth Vader (because Darth Vader is easily more well known and easily recognized world-wide than Anakin is), but I agree with you on this one being poor, it looks like he's smirking kind of IMO. And please, nobody make the argument that Darth Vader became Anakin in the end, so he should actually be portrayed a Hayden Christiansen, because he died an old redeemed Jedi, not a young redeemed Jedi, so unless you want an image of the scarred mask-less Vader (which I'm pretty sure no one does), I suggest you rethink your logic. Xanofar 20:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Article title

I think we should put "Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader)" as the title. Yeah, it's not "accurate", but let's face it, what is he more well known as world wide? I know plenty of people who if you said "Anakin Skywalker" they wouldn't know who you were talking about, but if you said "Darth Vader" they'd not only have heard of him but be able to identify him from a photo. Xanofar 20:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Darth Vader and Anakin should be two different articles because people who are new to Star Wars need to have knowledge that Anakin is Vader but we intertwine their (Vader and Anakin's) fates at the end —Unsigned comment by 71.119.125.122 (talk • contribs)

Age

how old was anakin when he died? Ason Trayon Feb. 18 2009

  • You really should just read the article, but I'll be nice and tell you he was about 44. Mecenarylord 00:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Image

I think that we should change the main image of anakin into something that actually makes him look like a good guy cause the current main image makes him look preety evil. i was thinking of replacing it with a pic of hayden christensen as a force ghost. Ason Trayon Feb.18 2009

  • This issue was brought up several times. And while I completely agree with you that we should change the main pic(not because he's evil, but for reasons I presented above), other users seem to think differently. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...16px 10:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of how most fans find Anakin as a really crappy character

Really, if doesn't take a brain to realize that George Lucas made Anakin into a crappy character during the Prequels. I mean just watch AOTC and ROTS and you'll see what an idiot and whiney brat Anakin is. There should be a mention about how Anakin appears as a crappy character to most fans in the Behind the Scenes section. That is definitely something worth mentioning. 173.66.213.157 00:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  • No it's not worth metioning because that is a POV. Some people may think he's the coolest character in the Star Wars galaxy. But we wouldn't include that. And unless you find a source with George Lucas saying, "I made Anakin Skywalker a crappy character in ATOC and ROTS on purpose." We will never include that. Mecenarylord 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Wow, you must be an idiot. Yes, I called you an idiot because it is showing in your response. First off, you're last sentence makes no sense whatsoever. I never asked for you to include that George Lucas purposely made Anakin a crappy character, so there was no point of your last sentence. It doesn't help your argument. What I am asking is that there should be a note in Behind the Scenes about how a good portion of the SW fanbase sees Anakin as a poorly done characters in the movie and that they greatly dislike him. Yes! This is a fact! If you have been read any SW forums, you will know that it is a true fact and not just my POV. Many people dislike Anakin. It is not uncommon for a Wiki page to point out if a certain character is greatly disliked, so that should be added onto this wiki article. Anakin is greatly disliked by many fans and it should be noted. It's the POV of many, so it should be noted. 173.66.213.157 03:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
      • He is not and idiot. You're the idiot, especially if you think you can waltz in here and talk to people like that without getting in trouble. I'm getting an admin. GroceryBagGrocery Store 03:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Regardless of your viewpoint of Anakin, this page is for his facts, not your and others' opinions about him. Also, please respect that some of us do like him, and while you may not agree with us, you don't have the right to try and degrade others. --CC7567 03:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Good job GroceryBag, your plan failed, sorry. Anyway CC7567, a good portion of the SW fanbase disliking Anakin for being a poorly done character is a fact. It is a fact that he has gotten alot of slack from how George Lucas portrayed him in the prequels and I believe it should be noted in the Behind the Scenes section. 62.26.17.197 04:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude, I would cut the attitude. We're not putting it up, you're making yourself look worse and worse, and no matter how many peple hate Anakin, it's still their opinions. GroceryBagGrocery Store 04:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

    • Can we please delete this section? Its just a bunch of useless crap and fighting. Dr.Kermit(The Doctor is in) 04:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)