Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting 55

Inqmoot 55 is scheduled for early morning on Sunday 3 February or sometime in the evening on Saturday 2 February depending on where you are. See the table and figure it out.

Agenda

Old

• XJ-2 airspeeder
• CC-5869
  • Updated. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:54, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
• Jace Malcom
• First Battle of Coruscant (Great Sith War)
  • Changed name (I've mentioned my reasons on the move log) and tweaked the article to reflect the name's change. Also, removed the confirm tag as the book Tales of the Jedi – The Sith War 2 clearly confirms its name. Winterz (talk) 21:04, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
• CC-1138
• Arca Jeth
  • Also taken care of, as the Arca Jeth University is already mentioned in the article. I did fix the TOR reference though. Cade Calrayn 17:50, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
• Alzoc III
  • Taken care of. Cade Calrayn 17:46, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
  • As this was an older FA, please also check for linking, see here. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 20:54, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
• Battle of Alderaan
  • Updated for Annihilation. Cade Calrayn 20:48, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
• Adas
  • Handled as well, since Fourdot doesn't seem to be coming back anytime soon. Cade Calrayn 17:56, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

New

• Unsure if this makes it probeworthy, but Voren Na'al really needs some general image cleanup. The infobox should ideally have a headshot instead of a full-body shot, and the article could use some image placement changes to make it look better in general. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:08, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
  • Hanzo has also raised an issue on the talk page about Voren's actor, which in turn draws attention to the fact that the BTS is sorely lacking for an article with this many appearances and sources. —MJ— ^{Training Room} 23:10, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
    • Actor taken care of by jSarek. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:20, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
      • Actor dealt with. If I have time before going into the field on Monday, I'll beef up the BTS a bit more, too. As for image, a dispute over whether using a full-body shot was appropriate made up the entirety of the objections in the original FA nomination. I hold no strong opinion on the matter, so if the Inq wants a chopped-down headshot, that should be doable. jSarek (talk) 16:09, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
• Duel on Ambria—requires sourcing throughout, as there is more than one appearance.
  • From looking at the history and seeing the other appearance provides no new info, have sourced it all. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:44, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
• Battle of the City of Bone—{{Confirm-battletitle}}; requires some confirmation regarding the listed name. Also has several redlinks in one of the nav templates.
• Mission to Monastery—same redlink problem.
• Fourth Battle of Kuat—same redlink problem.
• Etahn A'baht—two minor {{Fact}} tags. Also needs to be updated to follow the decision about two-speaker quotes.
  • Done. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 17:18, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
• Soon Bayts—this is going to get messy, but since Leland Chee has stated that Star Wars: Obsession is now non-canon, some decision needs to be reached about what to do with Bayts, since the current version of the article may not be entirely up to date with current canon.
  • As an older FA, check for linking, see here. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:44, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
• Clone shadow trooper—update tag.
• Mandalore Defense Resolution—update tag.
• Skytop Station—update tag.
• Myneyrsh—update tag.
• Lepi—update tag.
  • Updated. ~Savage 00:18, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
• Yoxgit—update tag. CC7567 ^(talk) 17:27, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Assorted ramblings

• I'd like us to brainstorm ways to get more non-INQs actively reviewing on the FAN page. There are a lot of talented reviewers on this site, but most of them stick to the GAN page --- there are really only three non-INQs who review consistently on the FAN page. In June 2010, at Meeting 33, the Inquisitorius discussed (ctrl + f "standardized" in the log) the idea of replacing the INQ's closed admissions process with an open admissions process similar to the Request for user rights page. Some ideas were tossed around, and it was agreed to discuss it further at the next meeting. However, further discussion never happened, and I want to bring the idea back now. If we turn our admissions process into a public one, I'm hoping it will change our image from that of an old boy's club that lets in one, maybe two new people every year, to an organization with much more community-driven membership. If the community's bevy of talented reviewers knew that their potential admission to the INQ could come from a community nomination rather than exclusively from the INQs, I can see them being much more likely to consistently review FANs with the hope of being noticed. A possible downside: People shouldn't review just for the sake of joining the INQ. An upside: Who cares? The FAN page would get more reviewers. And it's not like any of us never wanted to join the INQ. :P Menkooroo (talk) 04:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  • Addendum: If you don't like my solution, that's cool --- it's just one proposed solution to a problem that I hope itself can be the main crux of our discussion. That is, the lack of people involved in the reviewing process. For example, after IRC discussion, I realized that Tope agrees with me about the problem, even if he doesn't like my proposed solution. So, yeah, let's brainstorm ways to change attitudes and mindsets about reviewing. Menkooroo (talk) 05:17, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
• The queue is over nine months long. We showcase just over eight FAs on the Main Page per month, and if we close more than eight successful FANs per month, then the queue is only going to keep getting longer. We closed fourteen in January, admittedly only seven in December, eight in November, and seventeen in October --- and winter is the FAN page's slow season. To keep the queue from growing too bloated, I was wondering if we could temporarily return to the FA-a-day system for four weeks in January. It will require a CT, but I wanted to bring it before the INQ first for ideas, as it's really only a temporary solution. Anything more permanent we could do? Like... every January? Menkooroo (talk) 00:46, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
  • Non-Inq suggestion: A possible compromise between 2/week and 1/day would be one every two days. This would be easily doable with redirects (i.e. place the intro at [[Queue/May 6]], then redirect [[Queue/May 7]] to [[Queue/May 6]]. However, I haven't looked to see if the rate of successful noms would support this; it would require about 15 per month or 3.5 per week. A downside to this, however, may be that the days on which the FA changes are not the same every week, potentially confusing readers. —MJ— ^{Jedi Council Chambers} 01:05, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
    • We close fifteen per month semi-often, but not routinely. Not frequently enough to make one every two days a permanent thing, but every six months or so might work. Menkooroo (talk) 02:00, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
      • Throwing a virtual blindfolded dart here: What about a three per week system like many webcomics (say a new one on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday)? This would only require an average of 13 per month, and if we can average that over an entire year, then we should be able to weather the slow times if we start the system with enough articles already queued. Yes, this means one-third of the articles get three days and the rest two days, but perhaps the extra day can be given to very large articles (say 100+ KB), while the natural rotation determines the extra day otherwise (in other words, simply fill in slots in order like done now except that large articles are placed in the next open Friday slot even if they would otherwise get a Monday or Wednesday). —MJ— _{War Room} 05:59, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Attendance

Ayes to the right

1. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 17:33, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
2. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:46, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
3. CC7567 ^(talk) 17:48, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
4. 1358 ^(Talk) 17:57, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
5. Feels good man. IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 19:42, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

   —Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 16:29, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

6. Menkooroo (talk) 03:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
7. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 00:12, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Noes to the left

1. Sadly I'll be at work. JangFett ^(Talk) 17:16, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
2. When it takes ten minutes to load one page, you know that the internet is too slow for an Inqmoot.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:41, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Postal votes

1. Jangeth
   • Keep: CC-5869, Battle of Coruscant (Great Sith War), Arca Jeth, Alzoc III (would thoroughly check to see if article is up to standards; saw Hanzo's comment), Battle of Alderaan (Great Galactic War), Adas
   • Kill: XJ-2 airspeeder, CC-1138
   • Probe: Voren Na'al
   • Extend probe: Since Trayus is working on the article now, I would suggest to extend the probe of Jace Malcom. I don't know if he said that he wants the FA status removed, otherwise I would vote to kill.
   • As for the discussion, I'll look into it and give Menk or someone my comments on the FAN page. JangFett ^(Talk) 17:16, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
2. Return of the Jedi
   • Articles: Same as Jang.
   • Discussion items: Tope has my views.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:41, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Minutes

• Log

Attendance

• CC7567
• Cavalier One
• Darth Culator
• Green tentacle
• Grunny
• Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing
• Menkooroo
• Toprawa and Ralltiir
• Xd1358

Old articles

FA status removed

• Jace Malcom

FA status kept

• CC-5869
• Arca Jeth
• Alzoc III
• Battle of Alderaan
• Adas

Probation extended

• XJ-2 airspeeder
• Battle of Coruscant (Great Sith War)
• CC-1138

New articles

Probed

• Voren Na'al
• Soon Bayts
• Clone shadow trooper
• Mandalore Defense Resolution
• Skytop Station
• Myneyrsh
• Yoxgit

Spared

• Duel on Ambria
• Battle of the City of Bone
• Mission to Monastery
• Fourth Battle of Kuat
• Etahn A'baht
• Lepi

Other

• An effort will be made to encourage more users to review on the FAN.
• It was decided to revisit the queue length issue if it becomes over one year long.
• Three motions were made to slap Cade Calrayn. All were successful.
• The Inq needs a van full of candy. The motion was placed under delicious and not creepy at all consideration.
• CC7567 is on paperwork duty.
• Toprawa and Ralltiir is on meeting scheduling duty.
• CC7567 ^(talk) 23:18, February 3, 2013 (UTC)