Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting 51

And so, here we are, the long anticipated Meeting 51. Thanks to the wonderful Essential Guide to Warfare, a metric assload of articles were probed (yes, that's a technical term) and this meeting is going to be a lot of fun. It has been scheduled for a lazy Sunday afternoon for the US folks, and a much earlier time than usual for the UK and Europe folks, at 19:00 UTC on August 5.

Since we've rounded the big 5-0, and the Droids & Ewoks omnibus has given us a fresh look at the classics, I've brought back our old friend Mount Sorrow in glorious high-definition to remind us all to do our duty in tormenting writers for the greater good. I expect to see everyone at the meeting, or at least leaving notes. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 20:14, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

This is where all our work is done

Phase one: collect underpants

• Jace Malcom (diff • review)
• Sabé (diff • review)
• Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War) (diff • review)
• Eyes (information broker) (diff • review)
• Beru Whitesun Lars (diff • review)
• Tyr Taskeen (diff • review)
• Hoth (Jedi Lord) (diff • review)
• Soontir Fel (diff • review)
• Rufaan Tigellinus (diff • review)
• Bevel Lemelisk (diff • review)
• Conan Antonio Motti (diff • review)
• Shu Mai (diff • review)
• Jaina Solo (diff • review)
• R3-S6 (diff • review)
• Tera Sinube (diff • review)
• Luuke Skywalker (diff • review)
• Swokes Swokes (diff • review)
• Mandalore the Indomitable (diff • review)
• Reaper (Executor-class) (diff • review)
• Arden Lyn (diff • review)
• Etahn A'baht (diff • review)
• 181st Imperial Fighter Wing (diff • review)
• Teren Rogriss (diff • review)
• Ysanne Isard (diff • review)
• Jesmin Ackbar (diff • review)
• Sander Delvardus (diff • review)
• Blitzer Harrsk (diff • review)
• Tenk Lenso (diff • review)
• Tarrin Datch (diff • review)
• Tycho Celchu (diff • review)
• Ishin-Il-Raz (diff • review)
• Danetta Pitta (diff • review)
• Afsheen Makati (diff • review)
• Peccati Syn (diff • review)
• Miltin Takel (diff • review)
• Walex Blissex (diff • review)
• Adar Tallon (diff • review)
• Fairwind (diff • review)
• Laddinare Torbin (diff • review)
• Seha Dorvald (diff • review)
• Jungle Felucian (diff • review)
• Cody Sunn-Childe (diff • review)

Phase two: ?

• There's a redlink in {{Lightsaber}}, which means Form IV: Ataru has a redlink in a template, and I have no idea what a Darksword is. NaruHina ^Talk 09:28, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Exar Kun's lightsaber, Bane's Heart (lightsaber), Lumiya's lightwhip, Form VII: Juyo / Vaapad, and Imperial Knight lightsaber all transclude {{Lightsaber}} as well and thus also have the redlink. —MJ— _Comlink Friday, July 20, 2012, 17:44 UTC
    • Trak deleted that article several weeks ago, as it was fanon. I'll remove it. Cade Calrayn 17:56, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • Cool beans. NaruHina ^Talk 11:31, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Phase three: Profit!

Add discussion items as needed.

• I finally created Forum:CT:Reduxing Featured articles, per our discussion at Meeting 49. Sorry for the delay. Take a look. Menkooroo (talk) 18:35, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
• If anyone's wondering why I added Form IV: Ataru to the FA queue --- it passed an FA review a few months ago but wasn't added to the queue despite being an RFAN reject. Rectified now. Menkooroo (talk) 03:48, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
• This isn't an attempt to single any one Inquisitor out, because a lot of people do it --- I notice a lot of INQs leaving the {{Inqapproved|~~~~~}} tag on completed FANs and then just leaving them be. Please, everyone, take the five minutes to archive a FAN if you place {{Inqapproved|~~~~~}} on it. The "leave it for someone else to do" attitude is what killed the redux page. Menkooroo (talk) 01:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Attendance

Scheduling

I've been holding off scheduling this one because I can't do Saturdays anymore and I don't want to schedule a meeting I know I can't attend, but I can't realistically put it off much longer. Also I've wanted to wait until various people were back from various vacations. Can anyone do a Sunday meeting? Does anyone have any other suggestions? Could someone volunteer to call in a bomb threat to my workplace so I can attend? Thoughts? -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 03:13, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

• I'd be fine with Sunday meetings. If we did them early enough in the afternoon (EST), those in Europe wouldn't have to stay up late. Are there any Aussie/Kiwi INQs left? If so, would any North Americans have issues with something like 11 AM EST Sunday? I'll be back to Korea in a month so I'll basically be in an Aussie/Kiwi time zone, but I'm good for whatever. Let's figure out the most utilitarian time. Menkooroo (talk) 03:20, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
  • I, personally, can't be here Sundays. I can usually do anything on Fridays or Saturdays. Weekdays I could probably fit in, but it's not the funnest thing to go to an Inqmoot in the middle of the week.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:38, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
• I can call in that bomb threat. IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 00:43, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
  • Weekdays are not realistic for anyone. If it needs to be on Sunday, then let's schedule it on Sunday and see how many people can attend—we can always reschedule it if necessary. We really need an Inqmoot, though, in the very near future. CC7567 ^(talk) 02:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
  • If meetings shift to Sundays, then for me they will have to be scheduled much earlier in the day (such as late afternoon/ early evening GMT, not sure how that translates). I personally cannot take part in any meetings starting later that say, 8 o'clock GMT on a Sunday, since I have to give consideration to the fact that I work (begrudgingly, I might add) during the week. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 11:43, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • 8 PM UK time on a Sunday is doable for me. 1358 ^(Talk) 21:17, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Also me. Menkooroo (talk) 23:13, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
• How about next Sunday (August 5) at 7pm GMT? We should decide this soon. Menkooroo (talk) 17:36, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

The meeting will be at 19:00 UTC on August 5. This is 3 PM Sunday on the US East Coast, 8 PM in London.

CULATOR HAS SPOKEN. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 20:14, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

RSVP

I am awesome

1. Darth Culator ^(Talk) 20:14, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

   I only dislike freedom and puppies. Wouldn't call it hatred. Menkooroo (talk) 20:51, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

   I'm pretty sure. IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 04:07, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

I hate freedom and puppies

1. Due to the time, I won't be able to attend. I'll leave notes and other such gibberish.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 20:18, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
2. Sunday is my mom's birthday, so I'm guessing I won't be able to be here. But I may just show up. I'll do my best to leave notes. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
3. I have an hour-long obligation then, but if it's still going when I get back, I'll be there. Notes will be left. CC7567 ^(talk) 02:25, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
4. Currently on holiday in Australia. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:02, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
5. Something came up. Need to babysit my cousin's kids. I've left notes. Menkooroo (talk) 01:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
6. Can't make 3 PM. If it was the normal time... IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 01:36, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

At least send a card or something.

Toprawa

• Keep: Eyes (Rebel operative), Beru Whitesun Lars, Rufaan Tigellinus, R3-S6, Luuke Skywalker, Sander Delvardus, Blitzer Haarsk, Ishin-Il-Raz, Danetta Pitta, Afsheen Makati, Peccati Syn, Miltin Takel, Jungle Felucian
• Kill: Sabe, Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War), Hoth (Jedi Lord), Shu Mai, Tera Sinube, Mandalore the Indomitable, Arden Lyn, 181st Imperial Fighter Wing, Ysanne Isard, Jesmin Ackbar, Tycho Celchu, Laddinare Torbin, Seha Dorvald
• Extend probation: Bevel Lemelisk and Conan Antonio Motti - The user who attempted to update these two articles did a rather poor copy-and-paste job to try and pass muster. That's not how we do things here in the Inq. Our focus is on quality, not quantity. Large paragraphs of text should never be identical across two articles, much less two Featured articles. And the new updates aren't even formatted properly. A copy-edit at the very least would be needed. Re-extend the probes on these two to make sure this update is done the right way. Jaina Solo - a new update tag has been added since the original probation. Adar Tallon - the article was updated properly for the original probe, but nothing was done to the intro, which I feel looks a bit lacking in relation to the rest of the page now. I'd like to see the intro beefed up. Cody Sunn-Childe - the article was updated properly for the original probe, but a certain user has been going through some articles attempting to create new articles for unnamed, unidentified species, like "Cody Sunn-Childe's species." Such a redlink can be found within the body of the article, but nowhere else (such as in the infobox, for one). If this article is going to be expanded with this unidentified species information, it needs to be done so properly and exhaustively. I'm not opposed to just removing this outright and thus giving this article a full Keep. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:39, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Return of the Jedi

• Keep: Eyes (Rebel operative), Beru Whitesun Lars, Tyr Taskeen, Rufaan Tigellinus, R3-S6, Luuke Skywalker, Swokes Swokes, Reaper (Executor-class), Etahn A'baht, Teren Rogriss, Blitzer Harrsk, Tenk Lenso, Tarrin Datch, Ishin-Il-Raz, Danetta Pitta, Afsheen Makati, Peccati Syn, Miltin Takel, Walex Blissex, Jungle Felucian
• Kill: Sabe, Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War), Shu Mai, Tera Sinube, Mandalore the Indomitable, Arden Lyn, 181st Imperial Fighter Wing, Ysanne Isard, Jesmin Ackbar, Tycho Celchu, Laddinare Torbin, Seha Dorvald
• Extended probation: Jace Malcolm - I currently count five redlinks, which is over the limit. If someone gets these, then Keep. Hoth (Jedi Lord) - The update may have been done, but I still see multiple errors. I'm being merciful and assuming good faith that someone will fix these by next meeting, where I'll vote to kill if they're not gone. Bevel Lemelisk and Conan Antonio Motti - Per Tope. Jaina Solo - Fighting a losing battle. Adar Tallon - Per Tope. The intro almost looks like the size of a GAN intro. Fairwind - Same problem with Adar Tallon. Cody Sunn-Childe - I'd prefer to just see this redlink removed. However, I'll vote to probe on grounds that it should be checked into further to verify.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:00, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Menkooroo

• Keep: Hoth (Jedi Lord). A while ago, we decided that vague grievances like "Needs a copy-edit" weren't concrete enough for probing; if anyone can identify what the errors are in this article, go ahead and extend, but "I still see multiple errors" is too vague for an extend, IMO. Also keep: Jace Malcom (down to three redlinks, it seems), Eyes (Rebel operative), Beru Whitesun Lars, Tyr Taskeen, Soontir Fel (Jinzler took care of it), Rufaan Tigellinus, Luuke Skywalker, Swokes Swokes, Reaper (Executor-class), Etahn A'baht, Teren Rogriss, Sander Delvardus, Blitzer Harrsk, Tarrin Datch, Ishin-Il-Raz, Danetta Pitta, Afsheen Makati, Peccati Syn, Miltin Takel, Walex Blissex, Adar Tallon, Fairwind, Jungle Felucian.
• Kill: Shu Mai, Sabé, Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War), Tera Sinube, Mandalore the Indomitable, Arden Lyn, 181st Imperial Fighter Wing, Ysanne Isard, Jesmin Ackbar, Tycho Celchu, Laddinare Torbin, Seha Dorvald.
• Extend: R3-S6 (I agree with Bob's comment on the review page), Jaina Solo, Conan Antonio Motti, Bevel Lemelisk, Tenk Lenso (infobox says he dies, but the article doesn't reflect this), Cody Sunn-Childe (opening of bio needs some rejigging, too, to be about him rather than the events surrounding his life). Menkooroo (talk) 01:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
• ADDENDUM: Changing my vote on Tera Sinube to "Keep," as CC took care of the update. Menkooroo (talk) 03:21, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Floyd

• Keep: Jace Malcom, Eyes (Rebel operative), Beru Whitesun Lars, Tyr Taskeen, Soontir Fel, Rufaan Tigellinus, Luuke Skywalker, Swokes Swokes, Reaper (Executor-class), Etahn A'baht, Teren Rogriss, Sander Delvardus, Blitzer Harrsk, Tarrin Datch, Ishin-Il-Raz, Danetta Pitta, Afsheen Makati, Peccati Syn, Miltin Takel, Walex Blissex, Adar Tallon, Fairwind, Jungle Felucian.
• Kill: Shu Mai, Sabé, Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War), Tera Sinube, Mandalore the Indomitable, Arden Lyn, 181st Imperial Fighter Wing, Ysanne Isard, Jesmin Ackbar, Tycho Celchu, Laddinare Torbin, Seha Dorvald.
• Extend: R3-S6, Hoth (Jedi Lord), Jaina Solo, Conan Antonio Motti, Bevel Lemelisk, Tenk Lenso, Cody Sunn-Childe IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 01:37, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

CC

• My notes are organized in the table below. Jace Malcom should be extended because one of the references requires {{WebCite}}. Hoth (Jedi Lord) should be extended for various grammar issues including references before punctuation, dash cleanup, and unnecessary bolding, to name a few. For R3-S6, I disagree with the comment that the height discrepancy should be considered rounding—it's a simple error, and should be treated as such; therefore, {{Twoconflicting}} is unnecessary. CC7567 ^(talk) 04:31, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
  • Jace Malcom has been Cite web'd. Menkooroo (talk) 04:38, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
    • The succession box is also very poorly formatted; {{Ref}} is required, as is a source for the title. CC7567 ^(talk) 04:39, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
      • Done. Also added "eventually" to Hoth. Menkooroo (talk) 04:44, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
• IMPORTANT NOTE: Tyr Taskeen, Jesmin Ackbar, and Soontir Fel are all failed RFANs. Per meeting 42, they should have been removed from the RFAN page as soon as they were probed, but I just removed them from the RFAN page now. Better late than never. Also per meeting 42, any article that's removed from RFAN, probed, and ultimately keeps its status should be added to the FA queue. In this case, it looks like that'll be Tyr Taskeen and Soontir Fel. Menkooroo (talk) 06:48, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Article	Toprawa	Cal Jedi	Menkooroo	Floyd	CC
Jace Malcom		Extend	Keep	Keep	Keep
Sabé	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War)	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Eyes (Rebel operative)	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Beru Whitesun Lars	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Tyr Taskeen		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Hoth (Jedi Lord)	Kill	Extend	Keep	Extend	Extend
Soontir Fel			Keep	Keep	Keep
Rufaan Tigellinus	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Bevel Lemelisk	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend
Conan Antonio Motti	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend
Shu Mai	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Jaina Solo	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend
R3-S6	Keep	Keep	Extend	Extend	Keep
Tera Sinube	Kill	Kill	Keep	Kill	Keep
Luuke Skywalker	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Swokes Swokes		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Mandalore the Indomitable	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Reaper (Executor-class)		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Arden Lyn	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Etahn A'baht		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
181st Imperial Fighter Wing	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Teren Rogriss		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Ysanne Isard	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Jesmin Ackbar	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Sander Delvardus	Keep		Keep	Keep	Keep
Blitzer Harrsk	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Tenk Lenso		Keep	Extend	Extend	Extend
Tarrin Datch		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Tycho Celchu	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Ishin-Il-Raz	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Danetta Pitta	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Afsheen Makati	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Peccati Syn	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Miltin Takel	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Walex Blissex		Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Adar Tallon	Extend	Extend	Keep	Keep	Extend
Fairwind		Extend	Keep	Keep	Extend
Laddinare Torbin	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Seha Dorvald	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill	Kill
Jungle Felucian	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep	Keep
Cody Sunn-Childe	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend	Extend

Minutes

• Log

Attendance

• Cavalier One
• Darth Culator
• Green tentacle

Old articles

Kept

• Jace Malcom
• Eyes (information broker)
• Beru Whitesun Lars
• Tyr Taskeen (RFA)
• Soontir Fel (RFA)
• Rufaan Tigellinus
• R3-S6
• Tera Sinube
• Luuke Skywalker
• Swokes Swokes
• Reaper (Executor-class)
• Etahn A'baht
• Teren Rogriss
• Sander Delvardus
• Blitzer Harrsk
• Tenk Lenso
• Tarrin Datch
• Ishin-Il-Raz
• Danetta Pitta
• Afsheen Makati
• Peccati Syn
• Miltin Takel
• Walex Blissex
• Jungle Felucian

Extended

• Hoth (Jedi Lord)
• Bevel Lemelisk
• Conan Antonio Motti
• Jaina Solo
• Adar Tallon
• Fairwind
• Cody Sunn-Childe

Killed

• Sabé
• Battle of Kashyyyk (Second Galactic Civil War)
• Shu Mai
• Mandalore the Indomitable
• Arden Lyn
• 181st Imperial Fighter Wing
• Ysanne Isard
• Jesmin Ackbar
• Tycho Celchu
• Laddinare Torbin
• Seha Dorvald

New articles

• None. Next meeting we just have the articles that got extended.

Discussion

• Menk did his thing with the Redux, but that's in the hands of the community now. Presumably we'll have to worry about it next time.
• We still need to figure out who does the paperwork and scheduling. Screw it, Menk volunteered. We'll work out a proper system with a public roster that we don't have to go digging through logs for soon. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 22:01, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
  • We do, indeed. Since we already formally agreed to adopt an official roster list for individual meeting duties (one that currently exists lost in some old meeting log somewhere), I've taken the liberty of simply creating a new list with a randomizing program, along with a new bylaws page, mirroring the one we use for the AC, which can now be found here. If we need to officially ratify this or whatever next meeting, that's fine. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:45, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
    • Culator and I have traded our scheduling duties, if that's OK. I'll swap our names on the bylaw page. Menkooroo (talk) 03:30, August 7, 2012 (UTC)