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Trandosha

  • Nominated by: AV-6R7Crew Pit 02:08, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:A CAN that got too long. The original nomination can be found here.

(4 ACs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 00:51, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
  2. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 07:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Because it's the forests, not the game, that make a world a hunter's paradise! Imperators II(Talk) 10:55, January 30, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Added the new character encyclopedia to sources, but there's no new info. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:29, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
  5. ACvote --Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 09:43, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
  6. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 22:27, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
  7. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:31, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Object

Imperators II
  • I think you should section the article per WP:LG and provide an intro.
  • I don't see where in the source of ref 11 does it say that it was the proximity of Kashyyyk and Trandosha that caused the rivalry of the two species.
    • Cleaned up to be more ambiguous, but I don't care for the wording. This issue will probably be taken care of once I split the article into sections. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:19, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Hmmm... couldn't the mention of the convor in Missing in Action be interpreted to mean that the bird is native to Trandosha?
    • By that logic, the momong could also be a native life form, as in concept art it is referred to as a Trandoshan monkey. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:19, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Ref 4 does not confirm/inform that Trandosha orbits a single star like the infobox field does. And adding a source for that (like in ref 2) if you can would be nice. Imperators II(Talk) 09:24, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Intro shouldn't be referenced.
  • "Dosha" is intro-exclusive.
  • Per WP:LG, info on non-sentient species should be in the Description section, instead. And you could add short bits of context for those creatures, just like you did for Trandoshans. Imperators II(Talk) 23:50, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Currently, in the intro it is stated that Trandosha was positioned in the same system as Kashyyyk, while the Description section only says Kashyyyk neighbored Trandosha. I believe you should swap the two, since the Description section does not mention that the system was shared and in general it should be more detailed than the intro.
Jorrel
Ecks Dee
  • Some notes on your referencing: I can see at least one place where identical referencing is used consecutively, which means either one of them is wrong or the first one is unnecessary. Please double-check.
    • I was missing a reference to Journey Through Space. This has been corrected. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:42, February 12, 2016 (UTC)
  • As for your references 1+2 and 5+6, I'd recommend you go with just 2 and 6 wherever you currently have both. A well-written reference explains the logic without needing to double-reference. Make sure to link properly in your references too. 1358 (Talk) 21:58, February 11, 2016 (UTC)
    • Killed the double references. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:51, February 12, 2016 (UTC)
      • Linking is still an issue. Everything needs to be linked once in every reference as per WP:S#Rules #7. 1358 (Talk) 18:41, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
  • Oh, and check your category order. Something's off... 1358 (Talk) 21:19, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
    • The defintiaion of a softfix, but, whatever. Fixed. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 21:35, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
Cav
  • First things first - is the Netflix audio description really the only source that Wasskah is Trandosha's moon? Because one ref states that it is in the episode guide for Padawan lost but another sources it to the Netflix audio description.
    • The audio description is the only source that explicitly says that Wasskah orbits Trandosha. I think I fixed your objection. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:00, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
      • Okay, so if its only the Netflix audio that establishes this, how can we be sure its "official" and not written by a Netflix employee? Or is the audio description the same as the audio description that appears on the DVD? Because if that's the case, then adjusting the wording to remove Netflix would be advisable. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 11:07, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
        • I'm not really using it as a source, so to say, but instead as something that clarifies what I'm seeing on screen. This mode doesn't go around naming background characters for the first time or anything like that. It's literally an audio "description" of what's going on onscreen. That said, if anything contradicts it, I'd treat that source as more accurate. I believe that this feature is exclusive to Netflix. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
          • You don't need to rely on the Netflix audio, which I don't think should be used either. The third slide of the "Padawan Lost" Episode Gallery identifies Wasskah as a "Trandoshan moon." I'm comfortable with interpreting that as meaning it orbits Trandosha. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:01, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
            • I defer to your judgement. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:16, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
  • I made some changes to the wording in places. Nothing wrong with it really except it didn't flow very well. Check out my changes and see what you think. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 15:50, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • CC and I have just recently started on a campaign to clean up and standardize reference formatting for items from the TCW home-video releases. This involves specifying which commentary/documentary/whatever the information comes from within the set, which should be specified in reference 5.
    • Is there a specific way you'd like this done so I can apply it to my other articles that use TCW home release citations? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:20, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
      • The Season One featurettes were all named after the episode they covered, so I need to cite "Downfall of a Droid." - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:00, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
        • Went ahead and did it myself. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:41, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
          • That works. I added a dash to make it look nice. But is there another, more-prominent source like one of the new reference books that this information can be sourced to instead of the home-video release? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:13, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
            • I assume you're talking about the Nachkt homeworld citation. No, I can't source that to any newer reference books. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:00, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
  • Non-canon material is included in the BTS when applicable. Is there nothing to say for this Freemaker thing?
  • Even though the specific segments of Episode Guides aren't listed in the Sources, it's still a good idea to source by them. Please see The Pilot's Lounge article as a nice example of how the overall Guide is listed in the Sources, but the specific segments, such as Trivia Gallery, are employed in the referencing. This article should revise its referencing to follow suit.
    • This article was one of my earlier efforts, but my other TCW (and Rebels) articles already use this format. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 00:29, October 19, 2016 (UTC)
  • Not an objection, but I've revamped the BTS similar to other nominations of yours that I've reviewed. It's more important to lead off with the most relevant source material for this article subject, which in this case is the TCW episode, rather than robotically listing information chronologically, which isn't always the best method for Canon articles that detail previous Legends material. On that note, I've removed the portion detailing the TCW Season One home-video release. As I also explained to you on previous noms, the way you're framing this information is partly inaccurate. It's not correct to say that Trandosha "became canon" when it was mentioned in this TCW home release, as if it never used to be, because Legends material was fully considered canon by Lucasfilm's standards. With that understanding, it's really weird and confusing to say that something that was already canon "became" canon in 2009 prior to the 2014 canon relaunch. I feel the way I've rewritten the BTS is more accurate and easier to understand, and I would recommend following this system in future articles that you write. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:36, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the critique! I'll try to take care of them in the next few days. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:27, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Looking at this article fresh, the first thing I want to address is the presence of LEGO content in the article. You will probably recall this CT, in which the community agreed to start implementing a third tab for LEGO content. What this basically means is that as the author and nominator of the Canon Trandosha article, you are no longer responsible for LEGO Trandosha content. All of that should be removed and (eventually) worked into the Trandosha/LEGO article. For the record, we're sort of handicapped from implementing this third tab until Wikia figures out its new header situation, since it's affecting our Eras template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:13, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
  • In the infobox's referencing, this reference-note assertion is not self-sourcing: "As Trandosha was located in the same star system as Kashyyyk..." It needs to cite that to something. For example, "As Trandosha was located in the same star system as Kashyyyk, according to [Source]..."
    • Done. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:02, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
      • I still think you're facing the same issue even with your revision. "As Ultimate Star Wars places Wasskah, and as a result Trandosha, in the Kashyyyk system" is relying on the basic assumption that Wasskah is Trandoshan's moon, which, correct me if I'm wrong, cannot be sourced to Ultimate Star Wars. You would still need to cite that to something. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:18, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
  • Same goes for this: "Since Trandosha is located in the same star system..."
  • Do we really need two ref notes for the Demonym field? If the first ref note includes the information, the second one isn't necessary unless the issue is contentious or something along those lines. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:30, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
  • After reading the intro and looking at the Episode Guide again, I'm not sure I agree with the article's interpretive decision to treat "Dosha" as Canon alternative name. That really reads more like cut material from the original version of the script. Does "Dosha" appear in any other source material?
    • No. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:03, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
      • Then I would suggest removing the "Dosha" mention from the article body and including it only in the BTS. Keep in mind that this episode was created during the Legends era, when TCW was still half-trying to blend material from that continuity, and "Dosha" is a Legends thing. We have no other indication that this name has transitioned into the new continuity, which began three years after this episode guide was written. A second opinion from another AC member concurs with this course of action. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
        • Done. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:35, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
          • I still have some lingering concerns regarding how the BTS is worded in light of this matter. The first question I want to ask is, does the TCW Season One home-video release actually refer to the planet "Trandosha," or is the name "Dosha" only used? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:00, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
  • In the BTS, we have an issue for the referencing used to source the episode number for "Padawan Lost." The episode guide mistakenly calls it episode 22, while this page (scroll down and open the dropdown for Season Three), correctly calls it episode 21. You could source it to that main TCW homepage, though I think it would be better to reference it to something else, such as the TCW Episode Guide book.
  • A similar issue exists for the reference sourcing the claim that "Wookiee Hunt" is the "thid-season finale," as nothing on that episode guide page actually says that. The reference is relying on the reader understanding that TCW seasons lasted 22 episodes, which is not a given. Ideally, you should be able to source this to the TCW Episode Guide book as well.
  • "...both of which aired on April 1, 2011." is dual-referenced to both episode guides, but again, I don't see this information there. It's probably in the Episode Guide book as well.
    • Fixed all the above reference stuff. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 02:03, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
  • Not an objection, but I removed the last part from the BTS about the grid square information. It's really just regurgitating basic information already found in the article, and it's not some critical subject development that needs to be detailed in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:13, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
    • Okay, that was something enforced for Legends nominations. Since grid squares are something that canonically exist IU, it could probably be used i. The description section. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:00, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
      • It's not really something that's "enforced" for Legends. It's left as an optional thing to include in the BTS. In this case, it's not really that important to take up half the entire BTS space. Are you sure that grid squares are in-universe Canon material? Because I believe the Atlas authors told us that they were basically an OOU reference system in Legends. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:31, May 8, 2017 (UTC)


  • I don't want to make this an official objection, as I don't want to be redundant, but I agree with Imperators regarding adding an intro. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 09:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
    • It will be done. I am currently trying to decide what pictures, if any, I'm going to add to the article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:23, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Maybe I'm just not remembering details from the episodes, but can you explain for me exactly how you're deducing that Trandosha is the planet seen in those two TCW episodes? Is it identified by name? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:26, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
    • Your memory isn't fault; however, evidence of this can be found throughout the episode guides for "Padawan Lost" and "Wookiee Hunt." Along with the aforementioned Trandoshan moon bit, the first episode guide show an image of the planet on the slide in the Trivia Gallery while referring to Trandosha. Also, the second episode guide says that "When Chewbacca says his home world is very close, he's not kidding. According to the Expanded Universe, Kashyyyk and Trandosha are in the same star system." Why would that be there if Wasskah wasn't a moon of Trandosha? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
      • Well, my concern is whether any of these Canon sources actually identifies the planet seen in those two episodes as Trandosha. I think the "Padawan Lost" slide is pretty weak to base it on, but I agree at least that this was the creators' intention, so I won't push it. Do any of these other sources listed in the article picture Trandosha or identify it as the planet from these episodes? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:43, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
        • Explicitly, no, but the Databank entry for Trandosha says it appeared in TCW (while incorrectly picturing Wasskah). - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:46, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
  • Updated article to reference Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia, which explicitly confirms the relationship between Wasskah and Trandosha. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:16, April 9, 2017 (UTC)