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Evereni (language)

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  1. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 05:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 05:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 16:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Cyborg Commando (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Booply (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Object

Lew
  • Cite for Marda's pronouns:P Lewisr (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
    • I swear I triple-checked that. Fixed. Sanathestarr (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
      • All good haha, thanks for doing Lewisr (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Generally when speaking about comics within a series in the BTS, we mention they are the the [number issue] of [series]. If you look at this here for one in the same issue you'll hopefully see what I mean. In regards to mentioning previews, if you look here then hopefully you'll also see. Let me know if you need further clarity Lewisr (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Rewrote it to look more like those two, let me know if I should modify it further Sanathestarr (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
      • Did some small tweaks but thanks Lewisr (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • The section in the BTS for "A Closed Fist Has No Claws" should note it was in flashbacks and also where the language was identified by name Lewisr (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
  • The phase for the Eye of the Storm comic should be mentioned, see the above linked page Lewisr (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Done Sanathestarr (talk) 07:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
      • Great thanks! Just to note, we cap the P in Phase, and use roman numerals for the phase number, so it should be 'Phase I/II/III.' Have changed here, but just something to keep in mind on future noms Lewisr (talk) 21:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  • I think it should be noted that Evereni also meant stewards in the language Lewisr (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Added. idk if it should go there though, as Marchion said "it meant something like stewards or caretakers," which I understand as "I'm not 100% sure what the direct translation is but you get the point." Sanathestarr (talk) 07:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
      • I get your point, though it was presenting caretakers as a literal translation. If there's a way to maybe get across that it wasn't a direct translation but a roughish translation that'd work with me Lewisr (talk) 21:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  • I can see one quote at least to add "Isren means 'old uncle' in the language of our lost planet." Lewisr (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Oh yeah that'd work, added it at the beginning of the article Sanathestarr (talk) 10:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
      • I think more of the conversation could be added to the quote Lewisr (talk) 06:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
        • Done, unfortunately the dialogue about names/aliases is interrupted in the middle with something unrelated so this is the best possible direct quote Sanathestarr (talk) 18:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
          • You can use a […] to indicate skipped dialogue Lewisr (talk) 23:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
            • Oh I didn't know we could do that for in-universe quotes too, neat. Does the current version work or should I add the introduction that happens before that? ("Isren. You can call me that." "My name is Marda Ro. I am looking for more of us.") Sanathestarr (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
              • Completed via discord Lewisr (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the caption for the Tessa image should specify what exactly Evereni refers to in this case, i.e. whether it's the species/language since they share the same name Lewisr (talk) 01:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Changed it to specify language, but technically it's both since the convention is used by the species but is based on the language Sanathestarr (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the intro could use a little beefing up with some of the history stuff regarding Marda Lewisr (talk) 06:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
spookly
  • (Review note) Leaving a note that I apologize for some of these being super picky, moreso leaving so you'll know to correct these for noms going forward as well.
    • that's completely okay, as you said I need to be aware of them for future noms Sanathestarr (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • History needn't be subsectioned since it's only three paragraphs.
  • In cases where " is used, punctuation should go inside the quote. an example is— "Isren", an Evereni— is used, which should be "Isren," instead. Same goes for punctuation going before the reference where forests is linked,
    • Corrected them, hopefully I didn't miss any Sanathestarr (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Seems like the Marchion stuff can state he was familiar with it by a certain year, since the main comic's page seems to have dates for each of the sections.
  • BtS: Short stories are always formatted with " and not in italics.
    • yeah I know about this one, no idea why I wrote it like that. Fixed Sanathestarr (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Date note: "couldn't" is used—contractions are not allowed to be used in articles, so that will have to be written as "could not" and anywhere else that date note is present will also have to be changed.
    • Fixed, will go check if it's like that in any other articles I made Sanathestarr (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Somewhat parrying off the Discord convo about it but, in the interest of keeping all SA language articles the same, the Known words subheader should be changed to "Vocabulary" a la Toribota clan language; which also has the added benefit of allowing for phrases to be included and not just words, should we learn more about it in the future. In that same vein, both Overview and Conventions would do better as just one Characteristics section, especially since neither are terribly long.—spookywillowwtalk 00:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Changed Sanathestarr (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
      • Still would like to see Overview and Conventions merged, since both are quite short, into one Characteristics section.—spookywillowwtalk 21:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
        • Sorry, missed that in the original objection, fixed now Sanathestarr (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  • If only one speaker of the language considered it slippery, it's best removed from the infobox unless it's said in an encylopedia or non-PoV source later on because it's just her opinion (can still be kept in the body of course, since it's phrased as her take on it).
  • BtS: "Evereni was created for…"—I think this might not be true. We often avoid the saying "created for [specific piece of media] unless we know that for sure. The Gratton interview does actually say there were some musings of Soule's THR musings in the BtS master documents for the Evereni—which were made available to the author when writing the short story—which means that the comic would be better off with the wording "first mentioned" since they could've been created as part of the THR thinktank's general content (since they meet weekly to discuss and hammer out details for the project as a whole).
    • Right, since the first mention was actually the preview, does the current "first mentioned in-universe" work? Sanathestarr (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
      • We still don't generally use wording like that; just removing "in-universe" from what you've changed it to will suit. The preview is still depicting the comic, so in instances like this we'd just say "first mentioned in [comic]" and then note the comic as having been previewed.—spookywillowwtalk 20:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
  • BtS is large enough to support an image, more than likely of either Gratton or of the EotS issue 1's cover.
  • BtS as well: Given this is the language itself's article and Gratton does talk about it, a quote from the interview can be pulled, probably right from around 32:00ish. Though it wasn't relevant enough for the individual families, she does talk about making—essentially—the language itself.—spookywillowwtalk 21:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Added a quote, let me know if anything about it should be changed (the "[...]" is there because I skipped a part where Gratton talks about naming conventions but it isn't really relevant for the article) Sanathestarr (talk) 10:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Dani
  • When pipelinking like so [[Unidentified Jedi (Marda Ro)|Jedi]], anything being added would go in the brackets like so [[Unidentified Jedi (Marda Ro)|Jedi's]]. Just to be clear, when not pipelinking, doing [[Jedi]]'s is ok. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 16:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
ThrawnChiss
  • Are we treating the main events of Closed Fist as happening in flashbacks? Siquay and Unidentified space dock, Unidentified space station (Pantora), Rad (Evereni) treat is as a "normal" events, but Synth-smoke and this article treat it as "flashback" events. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 21:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
    • The story is framed as messages that Ro recorded for her descendants, so if she just mentions something in the message (such as "...they know Evereni called Espri—'to have'—and Rad—'to laugh.'") then it's just her mentioning the thing in a recording, therefore not a flashback. But some of the sections are written as actual scenes, with direct speech and all that, and just have a first person narrator. (such as the part with Isren) Given that those have already happened for her and she's just retelling it in the recording, those would therefore be flashback appearances. Like you said, there's quite a few SAs from the story (as of now it's 15 iirc) that follow this, so I'd say that's enough of a precedent. Sanathestarr (talk) 10:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Just to explain for the specific examples you used, Rad is from the quote above and Siquay and its dock are "I found them. They refueled on a space dock hanging over the gaa giant Siquay." Synth-smoke is "Competing neon signs colored the haze of synth-smoke an ugly brown" during a description of Ro's surroundings in a flashback to the public house. For this article, during the flashback to Isren he uses words of the language in direct speech. ("Now I believe you are a grandchild of ours. Riferi. A legacy.") However the Pantora station is a mistake, as it's mentioned by the human during a flashback, so thank you for pointing that out I'm gonna go correct that. Sanathestarr (talk) 10:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Comments

  • Just want to point out the fact that, with Phase 3 ongoing, there are always chances of more mentions coming up. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 17:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)