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Revan

  • Nominated by: Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 21:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: 1) MULLET MAN FOREVAH 2) I'm incredibly sorry. 3) No, I'm not insane. 4) What can I say? I got bored.

(2 Inqs/4 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Now, if only movie main character articles could be this smooth...--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 02:18, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
    • Only Lando's that smooth. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 18:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote ow my balls IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 05:15, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Coruscantfan (Talk) 19:43, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
  4. Impressive, most Impressive. Nivlacanator(talk) 04:57, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
  5. Manoof (talk) 00:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 19:36, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Object

Quick look from the Council Chambers:
  • I'm going to take Jang's comment and make it a formal objection. The intro is way too long. I can tell that simply by the fact that I have a 1080p display, and I still have to scroll down to read the rest of the intro. For comparison, Wedge Antilles is over twice the size of this article, yet his intro is just 607 words compared to Revan's current 1,428. Based on that, I'd like to see the intro cut at least in half. Summarizing is the key here; notice how the Wedge intro handles three X-Wing novels with a single sentence about Wraith Squadron. Let the reader get the details from the body; in an article of this size, small details don't belong in the intro. Three to four paragraphs of the current size, maybe four to five if the paragraph size is reduced, should be the target here.
  • I may make a full review later if I get bored, but there's no guarantee. —MJ— Holocomm 22:57, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
SE decided to take a crack at it
  • Early life and Jedi training
    • In the first paragraph of this section, two sentences in a row are started with the, "The child" and "The Jedi Master" Would you mind switching one up a bit?
      • Uh... the first one is referring to Revan, and the second is the title of Kreia. I don't really see the need here.
    • Same with the second paragraph of that section
      • Same here. The two sentences are talking about different people. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 16:14, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
        • Looking at it now, i'm not sure why I objected to this :P Apparently you object to some wierd stuff when reviewing while tired :P Supreme Emperor (talk) 16:40, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
The crown jewel of WP:KOTOR
  • These following objections are preliminary, although this section of objections will deal with the article in full. In addition, I intend to make this review my finest, as the scope of this article and the subject in question will require that.
  • Aboard the Endar Spire: Now believing himself to be a Republic soldier… If you could source his position as a soldier, that'd be great. I know that the Essential Guide to the Force, a conversation with Onasi in-game, and the TOR Encyclopedia.
    • Done.
  • Upon entering the next hallway, the two soldiers discovered a pair a Sith troopers and opened fire on the boarders. Continuing through the ship… So what happened to the troopers?
    • Done.
  • until they happened upon a Jedi and a Dark Jedi battling each other. Please link the Jedi and Sith to their respective articles.
    • Bah. I even looked at their articles while looking through the KOTOR articles.
  • Throughout the "Searching for Bastila" subsection, the image captions are in italics. Could you correct this?
    • Currently, I am unable too; there seems to be a problem with the {{Gamemechanics}} family that italicizes image captions if they are on the next line after the template. I'll have someone look into this.
      • OK.
        • Fixed. The templates in that family all had a stray '' near the end of the code. Removing that solved the issue. —MJ— Comlink 19:56, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
  • Did you check the CSWE for some information? I am only asking out of curiosity, because when I read through the article, I'll make a point to cross-reference. Nice job thus far, I'll continue later. I like how you handled my girl Yuthura. —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 14:19, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 02:19, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Yep. Read through all three volumes for any mention of KOTOR, and used all the entries to establish as much of the game as canon as I could. Thanks.
  • Returning to May and the others, Revan informed them of the terentatek's defeat, and the grateful students fled the shyrack caves to freedom. Please reference this.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 14:21, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • Done.
  • Don't forget to add that he used a violet blade in his duel with Malak, as far as Timeline 8 is concerned.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 14:26, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't call that a violet blade; it's really more blue to me. Besides, going by Shadows and Light, Revan has a blue blade during the duel.
  • I would also like to add, thank God that that Chee actually confirmed that "Mullet Man" was the facial model used in TOR. I've been bugging him for months about this issue.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 14:31, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
  • The 8th paragraph of the "Searching for Bastila" section needs to be referenced.
    • Done.
  • In the 6th paragraph of the same section, you mention Nord without giving any context, which is located in the following paragraph. Please fix this.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:13, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • Done.
  • Could you pipelink articles for the two brothers in the Outcast village? —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:14, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 02:19, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm not seeing any articles for those Outcasts.
      • Please create them.
  • Please comb through the article and correct instances of using first names as opposed to surnames. Only where needed, though.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:59, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
    • Done; I have left the naming of Bastila when her mother's involved, Mission when Griff is involved, Carth when Dustil is involved, and Canderous when his clan is involved. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 16:20, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm back, got my PC back. I'll continue where I left off. Been a hell of a few weeks.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 06:21, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
  • "At one of the nearby escape pods, an injured Republic soldier begged Revan for help…" An article for the infected Republic soldier would be good.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 19:22, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
    • Done.
  • Revan, Shan, and Onasi then left the apartment only to be met by a Twi'lek messenger… An article for the Twi'lek would be great.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 17:47, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • Still seeing some instances of first name usage as opposed to surnames, please fix where applicable. I'm reading through Tatooine. —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 21:54, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
    • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 02:19, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, that section in particular needs more first name usage than the others—there's Mission and Griff, and Helena and Bastila. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 22:01, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
      • True, though I had caught the early mention of "Canderous" in the section's first paragraph. I wanted to inform you of where I was in regards to reviewing the article.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 22:18, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
  • Could you create an article for the Sand People chieftan? —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 16:23, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • You mention all the planets but Tatooine… Departing Dromund Kaas as willing servants of the Emperor, Darth Revan and Darth Malak followed the Dantooine and Kashyyyk Star Maps to locate similar Star Maps on Manaan and Korriban. Please fix. Possibly more to come.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 17:10, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • Done.
  • On Korriban, Revan single-handedly defeated a pair of massive terentateks… Revan single-handedly defeated Mandalore the Ultimate… Could you use a synonymous term for one of your uses of "single-handedly?"—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 17:15, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • Sweet, I'll review some more and get back to you.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 17:38, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • Revan was approached by a Twi'lek named Senni Vek, who handed him a datapad and claimed that Revan had dropped it. The datapad contained a cryptic message asking Revan to meet Hulas on Manaan... Shouldn't this be near the end of the Tatooine events? I haven't played the PC version of the game, but I can't imagine it's too different in this regard.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 10:42, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • Not according to our own article on the guy, and the image we have of him.
  • Also, I'd like to see mentions of him defeating Darth Nyriss and his holding off multiple opponents in the Shadow of Revan storyline in the combat abilities section.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 05:58, January 23, 2015 (UTC)
Tiny details
  • For Revan's homeworld, "Outer Rim" is technically not a world, so it should say something to the effect of "an Outer Rim planet (believed)".
    • Meh. Done, though it looks funky.
  • Also, some images appear small compared to those on most articles. Perhaps it's just me.
    • Maybe true, but I've gone for a larger number of images than most articles, so I've kept the sizes down.
  • A few little grammar things on image captions: the caption should say "Darths (with an S) Andeddu, et. al., and the caption saying "Revan wearing his trademark mask" should not have a period. For minute details like these, ask me if you just want me to change them myself as I find them.
    • Done. I could have sworn I added that Darths.
  • The fourth paragraph of the into mentions the "Jed Master".
    • Done.

Otherwise, awesome job!--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 23:27, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

It is time for your circuits to fry!
  • In the Combat skills subsection of "Powers & abilities" you make no mention of his lightsaber skills and feats, you're simply describing Revan's lightsabers. Improve this.Winterz (talk) 14:51, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
    • His skills are highly customizable, and I'm not a fan of the "feats" section that lists every battle the guy's ever fought. However, I've added his two most notable duels. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 16:40, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
      • I have no idea what you mean with a "feats" section nor has what you mentioned anything to do with what I requested but anyway, your recent update was sufficient! Winterz (talk) 17:28, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
        • I was referring to the kind of P&A that existed before I wrote the article up, and the kind that are present on articles like the Skywalkers. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 17:58, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
          • You could've just said "the kind that will be terminated". Winterz (talk) 18:21, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
Clone fly-by
  • Is there no more information available on the deleted scene from "Ghosts of Mortis"? The Blu-ray edition of The Complete Season Three actually has an early version of the scene with 3D storyboarding, and while I don't have access to it myself, it should be detailed in the Bts somehow. CC7567 (talk) 21:35, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
    • I've gotten all of the information I could get from online at the moment; I will ultimately get ahold of the actual Blu-ray by the time this passes. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 03:49, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
      • Please do. CC7567 (talk) 15:00, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
        • Done. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 22:06, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
          • Even though the scene is cut content, can you take some more time to detail the scene? Treat the conversation as though it's in the IU part of the article in terms of the level of detail—among the missing details is the fact that the scene takes place in Mortis's Well of the Dark Side. It's all in the file that I emailed to you, so please expand it more thoroughly. CC7567 (talk) 22:11, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
            • Fair enough; expanded. Thanks again. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 22:20, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
Fundraiser
  • Having gone no farther than the ToC, I can tell that the companions section is missing a few subsections. I figure the droids deserve a subsection, at least. Also, I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that there might be a few characters from the novel or TOR that qualify. Expand it or kill it in the name of equality.SinisterSamurai (talk) 06:00, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
    • T3-M4 done; I'm working on HK-47. There really aren't any other characters that need one. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:22, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Request the image of Revan's potential female faces is re-added to the article. I don't entirely know why it was removed. It doesn't have to be a second image. Since mullet man is now highlighted with a box, you can probably just get away with re-uploading a version of Mullet Guy.png with this attached, but the final choice is up to you. SinisterSamurai (talk) 05:29, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'd rather not, as it's not really important, and it'll simply make the image rather wide. There's no real reason to have it; Revan's been canonically confirmed as a male for quite some time, and the only reason the Mullet guy image is there is to illustrate the point that the text is making about which character model is canonical.
      • Does that length of time make the other male faces "slightly less non-canon" than the female faces now one face has been chosen? I figure Gender no longer plays a role in whether or not a non-canon face deserves coverage. They are the same canon level, they deserve the same coverage: Equal or none.
        • It's a personal choice whether to use any image, and it's my choice to use the male faces. It's not required to show all of the potential faces; it was simply useful to illustrate the point the text is making. There's really nothing else to this. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:55, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
          • If it's being voted on, it's a community choice, but at least the caption isn't misleading anymore. SinisterSamurai (talk) 04:46, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not seeing anything how the troops and jedi Revan sent to Malachor were not "Revan's strongest supporters," much reference to Revan's use of psychological tactics/waging a war of beliefs as well as a physical war. * SinisterSamurai (talk) 05:29, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • Added some notes, but noted that it's only HK-47's opinion.
      • In this instance, HK's opinion is voiced in KOTORII, but is sourced to KOTOR. SinisterSamurai (talk) 03:58, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
        • What are you talking about? The sentence is sourced to KOTOR 2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:07, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
          • Whoops! Totally right about that one! If you ctrl+F the word "break" the first instance should be the passage I meant. If HK-47 does voice an opinion about Malachor being used to break the Jedi in KOTOR1, then there's a citation just before it from the same source ([7]), and you can eliminate the center count and just source both to KOTOR with one reftag. Although, I have a vague impression that part of that, (the part about not wanted to repeat the devastation at Malachor), was also from KOTORII. I could be way off, though. SinisterSamurai (talk) 05:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm scanning, but I'm only seeing one reference to the Sith Assassination squads, and no reference that Revan trained them. * SinisterSamurai (talk) 05:29, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • There was one, but expanded regardless.
  • In the infobox, you list Arren Kae as one of Revan's masters, but source it to KOTOR1. It's been a long time since I've played KOTOR1, but I thought the first references to Arren Kae didn't appear until KOTOR2. SinisterSamurai (talk) 05:29, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi
  • Rise of the Sith
    • "As the title of Darth was previously unknown to the Republic and the Jedi, many scholars believed that Revan and Malak were the first Sith to use it, and they speculated that the title was derived from the Rakatan language." The part about the Rakatan language makes the positioning seem off, since as far as I know the Republic did not know about the Rakatan language at this point. The transition is a little too abrupt as well.
    • "The success of HK-47 led Revan to decide that more droids like him would help maintain galactic stability, and HK-47 became the basis for the HK-50 series of droids which were constructed on Telos." I don't think that this part can be sourced to the first game, at least from what I remember. The mention of them being constructed on Telos is a rather abrupt change since the last thing mentioned was the bombardment, which pretty much destroyed the planet. I believe additional context is needed if you are going to mention Telos.
    • I added redlinks for the Echani senator and the Elders' tome for this section.
  • Aboard the Endar Spire
    • "Continuing through the ship, Revan heeded Ulgo's recommendation to draw a vibrosword as they stormed the Sith-held bridge. When they were unable to find Shan, the two rushed for the escape pods so that they would not be caught in the Spire's destruction." I thought that Ulgo told him to use a vibroblade not a vibrosword, which are two different weapons in the game.
    • "Warning Revan to hurry, Onasi suggested that he use his stealth gear to bypass a nearby Sith patrol, and Revan quickly made his way through the next few corridors before Onasi contacted him again." I thought that scouts were the only class to have stealth gear at this point.
  • I will continue at "Searching for Bastila" later. (I had forgotten that I had already reviewed the first few sections of the biography.)--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 05:30, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
  • Searching for Bastila
    • Doesn't the player encounter the bounty hunters and the merchant before they can encounter Largo or the Sith commander interrogating the Aqualish.
      • Not the way I played it.... I came out of my apartment and almost immediately ran into the Sith.
        • Not the one attacking the Duros, the one with the Aqualish where you get the uniforms.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 17:16, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • If the player defeats Twitch, Bendak Starkiller challenges the player to a death match. The light side decision for the player is to turn down the match. I think this would be good to mention.
      • Done.
    • You didn't mention the drunk guys or Gorton Colu anywhere.
      • Colu, check... drunk guys, though.... Do you remember when they show up?
        • I think the drunk guys show up when you first go to the elevator that takes you to the lower city.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 17:16, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure if this should be mentioned, but Revan can find that Zelka Forn had hidden some dying Republic soldiers in his facility.
      • Eh, it's a valid thing about Forn, but not necessarily important for Revan.
    • What about Selven?
      • Weird. I remember writing about her.
    • "A woman named Hester was arguing with the gatekeeper Trewin, begging him to let her husband Hendar back into the village, but Trewin refused because Trewin was pursued by a rakghoul and he could not risk the creature infecting the villagers." I think you mean that Hendar was pursued by the rakghoul.
      • Done.
    • I added a redlink for the Twi'lek who surrendered.
  • I will continue my review after you handle the above objections.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 16:08, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
  • Escaping Taris
    • There are a few planet related things you might want to mention.
      • What do you mean?
        • This was just talking about the three entries below, since I wasn't sure where they should go in the article. I'm sorry I didn't make it more clear.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 20:31, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
    • It seems to me that you should mention T3-H8 at some point since Revan can buy him and then returns him.
      • Done.
    • Don't forgot this guy: Unidentified Ithorian (Upper City).
      • Done.
    • Gelrood, the pazaak player in Javyar's Cantina.
      • Done.
    • I added a redlink for the receptionist, but you might want to change it since I can't remember if she was Twi'lek or Human.
      • She's Human.
    • Just making sure: Canderous meets Revan in the Upper City Cantina and then in the Javyar's Cantina. I was thinking that both meetings were in Javyar's.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 18:11, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
  • Learning on Dantooine/A Jedi once more
    • Could you mention Crattis Yurkal and Karal Kaar at Aratech Mercantile near the landing pad?
      • Done.
    • There is also a pazaak player named Sol'aa at the Enclave that you could mention.
      • Done.
    • After leaving the enclave isn't there some farmer and his wife that you can talk to?
      • Done.
    • Outside the enclave there is a merchant named Adum Larp.
      • Done.
    • Doesn't Dorak give the player some lesson about comparing the war with Revan and Malak to Ulic Qel-Droma and Exar Kun?
    • Doesn't someone inform Revan about the crystal cave full of Kinrath? You might want to say that Revan went to the cave.
      • Done.
    • I created a redlink for Montagne's husband.
    • Elise's article says that she meets someone named Samnt in the Jedi Enclave and if talk to her there she will thank Revan for helping her get over her husband's death.
  • I will continue my review later.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 21:16, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
  • The sand of Tatooine
    • "...the soldier was angry about the way he had been left out of the loop lately" The "left of the loop" part seems a tad too informal for an encyclopedia.
      • Done.
    • "Revan either chose to repair Venn's K-X12 probe droids or simply left the man to his fate and continued into the Dune Sea." I think you should reword this; maybe reword to say that Revan had to choose between saving him and leaving him. Wouldn't rescuing him grant a larger reward to the player anyway?
      • Done.
    • There is a pazaak player named Kudos at the Hunting Lodge.
      • Done.
    • Apparently, if you get the krayt dragon pearl before going to the enclave, you can get the tribe's storyteller to tell you about the Sand People's history. Not sure if this should be included and I haven't personally encountered this, but I thought I would throw it out there.
      • Yeah, I've seen this, but it's rather contrary to the basic storyline, so I left it out. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 15:45, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
    • I added redlinks for the docking bay manager, Sharina Fizark's husband, and Fortuna's partner.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:45, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
    • There are also Furko Nellis and Junix Nard in the Anchorhead Cantina. Nellis plays pazaak and Nard is a vendor I believe.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 15:00, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • Into the Shadowlands
    • There is a pazaak player named Fodo Medoo in the Czerka area.
      • Done.
    • I thought the poachers had sonic emitters, not sonic prods.
    • I added a redlink for the Wookiee that Dehno killed and the Wookiee guard.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 21:20, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
  • I should be able to continue my review this weekend.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 15:04, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • Searching the oceans
    • Out of curiosity, is there a reason why you place the trial before Revan going to the Sith embassy. From what the mysterious man says, it seems like it would be reasonable for Revan to go to the Sith Embassy before the trial.
      • You're totally right; I've rearranged that section.
    • What is your logic for choosing the access card as the party's means of entering the Sith base? Weren't there like three ways to get into the base?
      • I think you get a passcard from the soldier; the way I wrote it was trying to leave it ambiguous, but I forgot about the hangar. I've added mechanics tags to that part.
    • "As the Selkath claimed to be a concerned friend of the Republic, Revan informed Niklos of the need to protect the Hrakert Rift facility, and a relieved Niklos promised to try and cover for the Republic if the issue came to light." Who is Niklos? I don't see the character mentioned anywhere else.
      • It's Nilko Bwaas, actually, who the player met earlier, but I've given a bit more context.
    • Is Visitor's Hotel capitalized or not? You have it both ways in this section.
      • The proper name's capitalized, so fixed.
    • Minor characters that were not mentioned: Jolan Aphett, Gonto Yas, Tyvark Luowan, Yortal Ixlis, Unidentified Republic soldier (Hrakert Station)
      • All done.
    • Items that seem worthy of an article: Ahto City cantina
      • Added.
  • The heart of the Sith
    • "When he came across a group of Sith apprentices whom wanted to attack Revan as "sport" when they encountered him, Revan was able to persuade them otherwise, but another student who was threatening a woman attacked Revan when he intervened. Defeating the student, Revan took one of their medallions and brought it to Ban, who allowed Revan, Onasi, and another into the Academy when he claimed that his companions were slaves." This doesn't have to happen this way. It needs some kind of game mechanics tags.
      • According to GameBanshee and what I remember, the apprentice will attack you regardless, but I've moved the first encounter into LS tags.
        • I don't ever remember running into this encounter, and I've won the game three times.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:15, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
        • Tagged.
    • Aren't there some hopefuls in Dreshdae that you can persuade to leave?
      • Done.
    • I'm not seeing mention of Mekel until the tomb. You left out the scene with him and the hopefuls.
      • Done.
    • Minor characters that were not mentioned: B'ree, Toll Apkar, Mika Dorin and related information, Dak Vesser
      • From what I can see, Ziagorm's inviting you to visit Dorin requires not doing the Juhani stuff until after the Leviathan and a few other things that contradict with the established path, so I'm of the opinion that it's not needed in the article. Ziagorm's article should probably be rewritten though.
        • Where is Juhani's stuff is established to take place before the Leviathan? I am also curious what else it conflicts with.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:15, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
          • aaaand all done. I was wrong.
    • Items that might be worthy of an article: The spaceport manager, the Czerka representative? (I don't really remember this character.)
      • Both linked.
    • "With the medallion, Ban allowed Revan, Onasi, and Juhani into the Academy when he claimed that his companions were slaves." How do we know that he brought these particular people with him? Is it stated somewhere else?--Exiled Jedi (talk) 22:19, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Trapped on Lehon
    • Is it possible to complete the Garn quest and side with the Elders? The article makes it sound like it is possible, but I never did it. If it is possible to do both, you might want to mention Garn in the article. I'm pretty sure the other Black Rakata quests can't be completed if you side with the Elders, but the article for this guy makes me wonder about this quest.
      • From what I can see, no. You'd have to head to the north beach and be friendly with the Black Rakata, which is counter to the established light side path. I've fixed that article.
    • Minor characters/items that were not mentioned: Orsaa
      • Done.
  • A final confrontation
    • I don't remember the game calling them Aurek-class tactical strikefighters. Please provide the source that gives them this name.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 04:07, August 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • Sourced.
  • Confronting evil
    • I think you should mention that Revan influenced the Sith Emperor to keep him from attacking the Republic in this section. You note this in the next section, but don't mention it here.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 03:56, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • Done.
  • Companions
    • Is there a reason you have T3-M4's name bolded in his section?
      • Left over from an early version, probably.
    • I was wondering why you mention the Cross of Glory in T3-M4's section and not in any of the other sections.
      • Ah, I meant to draw attention to the fact he was a droid; done.
        • Did HK-47 get the Cross of Glory too?--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:15, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Behind the scenes
    • "While none of the player's dialogue features voice-overs" This is not technically true, there is some dialog used when you use the security skill. Please reword this to match.
      • Don't recall that, but done.
    • Do we know who did the voice acting for the female Revan from KotOR?
      • Not that I'm aware of.
    • "As Knights of the Old Republic is a RPG with a great deal of variability when it comes to player decisions, there are a number of alternate storylines and endings available." This appears to be the only part of the BTS that is not sourced.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 02:14, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
      • Done. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 18:10, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
        • Thanks for your review, EJ; great job with finding all these. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 03:59, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
praguepride
  1. If Revan is not his real name shouldn't it use the nickname tag?
    • No.
  2. Pronoun confusion: "Revan was betrayed by his Sith apprentice Malak and captured by the Jedi Knight Bastila Shan, who saved Revan and formed a Force bond between them." Which two is them? Or is it all three of them?
    • Changed.
  3. "His mind wiped, Revan was given a new identity as a Republic soldier by the Jedi Council, but when Malak attempted to capture Shan aboard the Republic warship Endar Spire above the planet Taris, Revan joined forces with the Republic officer Carth Onasi and a number of other individuals on Taris to rescue Shan and escape the world before Malak destroyed Taris's surface." Run on sentence that should be broken up. I would recommend also putting the mind wipe stuff in the paragraph before as it deals with Shan's encounter.
    • Tweaked.
  4. (In the Revanchrist paragraph) Is "prowar renegades" direct from source as it should have a hyphon. If it is direct then add the [sic].
    • From the source, but the sic is not necessary. That's for seriously-misspelled words.
      • We'll have to talk about this via IRC.
  5. "But in reality, the Mandalorians' own actions made it impossible for them to stand in the way of Revan's cause." - remove But.
    • Mhmm.
  6. "In the following weeks" should be [[week]]s
    • That's really a {{sofixit}}. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:18, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
  7. more to come...
Manoof
  • Check your CSWECites, most are missing page numbers, and one (56) has the entry as the page number. Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure if you've noticed this, since it's been sitting here from the start. Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Bio - Early life
    • 2nd paragraph you mention "alek's friend" twice in quick succession. You could probably switch some of the references to Revan to separate these more. Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • Nope; Revan isn't his real name, and he hasn't taken the name Revan at that point. Changed it up though.
  • Bio - Mando wars
    • "The Mandalorian warrior culture..." makes it seem like the culture itself is invading, similar to Americanisation. Maybe change it to "the Mandalorians, a warrior culture, ...". Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • Reworded.
    • "With the backing of Alek and his other followers, the Jedi decided to journey to the war front against the wishes of the Jedi High Council so that he could scout the enemy lines". Are we talking about the group of jedi with Revan or Revan himself? Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • Revan; changed to Jedi Knight
    • What were his findings on Onderon/Dxun? Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • Don't believe it's ever said.
    • "In reality, however, the Mandalorians' own actions made it impossible for them to stand in the way of Revan's cause. However, Revan came up with a solution". Can I buy a synonym please? Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • Removed the first however.
    • "star cluster Jaga's Cluster," maybe rephrase to "Jaga's star cluster" pipelinking as necessary. I'm not too set on this though. Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
      • The proper name's Jaga's Cluster, so nope. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 03:55, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
  • I must now eat and rejuvenate before continuing this review. You really are a sucker for punishment aren't you? :P Manoof (talk) 01:42, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
  • Bio - Rise of Sith
    • "Amid the confusion, Shan rushed forward and delivered a Force push to the Sith Lord's chest, sending him flying, but Revan was critically injured in the explosions and the fighting that followed." The word "but" leaves me confused about this sentence, was Shan trying to save Revan? Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Fixed.
  • Endar spire
    • From memory, you could equip a blaster when you storm the bridge, meaning you do not necessarily heed the advice... I'm guessing it thus needs a gamemechanics tag? Also I just replayed this section and he didn't say anything to me before storming the bridge. Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • *shrug* Removed.
  • Searching Bastila
    • The second paragraph could probably get the gamemechanics tag, since it implies you talk to Kadir, then Larrim, then Dia and later Gorton. Additionally, while you can't just walk past Kadir since he stops you when you get close enough, you CAN walk past the janitor and leave the apartment complex, bypassing those conversations. You can also ignore Carth when he wants to talk to you, so none of the mentioned conversations are required to progress. Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Actually, no, the conversation with Dia is confirmed by Holdan's CSWE entry, and you have to complete conversations with Carth in order to progress to stuff that is confirmed by other sources, like his son.
        • Awesome, that deals with a few other things that would probably have popped up later. Manoof (talk) 06:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • "Heading into the northern the pair..." Is this supposed to just be north or is there a word missing? Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Fixed.
    • "While exploring the cantina, Revan interacted with a number of local patrons, such as Jergan, Christya, and a young noble named Gana Lavin. While in the cantina, Revan spoke..." Since it's already established they are in the cantina, can you say something like "Revan also spoke..."? Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Fixed.
    • It may be worth mentioning some context on starkiller and his relation to the dueling ring. Glad to see you haven't given up on this! More to come. Manoof (talk) 07:31, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Eh, not really necessary IMO. Thanks. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:42, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Captured by the Leviathan—The wording in a couple of these paragraphs has left me confused. When did Revan learn who he was, when Karath told Onasi or later when they meet Malak. Saying Revan was confused makes me think he heard the conversation and was confused about his identity, but I assume it was whispered or something to Carth (I haven't played this in ages and can't remember what happened). Manoof (talk) 06:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • Tweaked a bit. He doesn't learn it until Malak tells him.
      • Much better :D Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Captive—I'm not sure what you mean by "as well as the fact that Scourge and Nyriss were opposed to him." Since they are Sith, they already are opposed to him? Manoof (talk) 06:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • Opposed to the Emperor; changed.
  • An unlikely rescue—"returned to the Republic over the last three years." gives the feeling it took all 3 years for the ship to return to Republic space. Is this correct? Manoof (talk) 06:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • As far as I remember, yeah.
  • Legacy—"...but the military's failures become evident and it was clear that the military needed to evolve in order to survive." Something about this section of the sentence seems a bit off but I'm currently too tired to figure it out (if it's fine just say so and I'll strike next time :P) Time to rest methinks! Manoof (talk) 06:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • Tweaked. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 17:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
      • I think it was just the word "become" instead of "became", but it reads much better overall with the additional change :) Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Warrior and Sith—"Revan was of the opinion that a Sith Master should have but one student—and the same was true of the title of Dark Lord." The section about the title Dark Lord is confusing, from memory it was that only one Sith should hold that title. Could you clarify this please. Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Fixed.
  • Other abilities—Could you rephrase the first sentence in the last paragraph (mechanic), as it is the second sentence in a row to use "Revan [was] also" Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Fixed.
  • Behind the scenes—"While the variable nature of Knights of the Old Republic, the canonical storyline of the game was originally unknown." needs rewording. Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Fixed.
  • Continuity issues—It strikes me that a bit of the information here can be cut completely as, rather than continuity issues where different sources explicitly create a contradiction, you have character's holding claims or beliefs that are contrary to a different source. Revan's fall to the dark side is the main one, where you mention the Jedi believing he fell on Dantooine is an example, with Bastila's claims about how he lost his memory another. Additionally, I don't think it's worth talking about the different lightsabers here—you've already mentioned them all in the article and from my understanding, no source has him with different lightsabers at the same time. Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Actually, I do find them relevant; the Timeline and KOTOR comics are contradictory with the lightsaber colors, and the other contradictions are a result of Revan's backstory being defined and updated over time by various sources.
      • Fair enough. Manoof (talk) 22:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Alternate storylines—It may be better to subsection this with dark side, female and female dark side variations, as those seem to be the only ones. It may improve readability (rather than jumping to the dark side female, then female, then dark side female stories) and make the section overall easier to read. Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Ehh.... I think the current sections work better. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 12:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
      • No worries, twas personal preference after all. Manoof (talk) 22:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • OMG ALL DONE! Great work again on this and props for sticking with it! Manoof (talk) 05:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • All done, just sort out that top objection (CSWEcite issue) and I'll vote to support :) Manoof (talk) 22:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Culator USED TO think Revan was kinda cool
  • Got a few quibbles with some wording. Under "Confronting evil": "When the Emperor expressed his disappointment with Scourge, Revan proclaimed that he was their ally now, but the Sith Lord was suddenly overcome by a vision of the future—a future in which another Knight defeated the Emperor." - this whole sentence is confusing. Which Sith Lord? Scourge or the Emperor? Whose ally? Under "Freedom and fall": "Dying, Revan attempted to become one with the Force, but he was unsuccessful." Well, that's not entirely true, now is it? Shouldn't it say something more like "was not entirely successful" or "was only partially successful" since "was unsuccessful" would basically imply that his entire spirit was stuck in his meat body?
    • Both done.
  • In "Into the Shadowlands," are you sure about this name "Gerwooken?" It fails the google test and isn't linked anywhere including in this article, and I don't have a savegame in this area to check.
    • Fixed.
  • That's all I specifically nitpicked, and I definitely hate you. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 19:06, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
Imperators
  • Intro
    • First of all, why do you use both the {{C}} template and simple parentheses in the infobox comments? Shouldn't one or the other be used consistently?
    • "[...] Revan joined forces with the Republic officer Carth Onasi and a number of other individuals on Taris to locate Shan on Taris and escape the world before Malak destroyed Taris's surface." So many instances of "Taris" make it a bit awkward, please change that.
    • You've got your Sith Lords mixed up: Darth Rivan did not begin the New Sith Wars—Darth Ruin did. Please correct this.
    • "[...] named himself after Revan after reading a damaged manuscript about the Sith Lord, and the Sith Lord Darth Bane discovered Revan's Sith holocron [...]" Maybe you can change one "Sith Lord" to "Dark Lord" to avoid the repetition of those words in such close proximity? The "after Revan after reading" part also seems weird to me, but I don't have any suggestions there, so I won't make that one a strict objection.
    • That's all for now. Maybe in the following days I'll be brave enough and read and review the rest of it, too. :) Imperators II(Talk) 23:37, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
Hands
  • Repeating a prior talk page message: "just wanted to let you know that the new SW.com Ghosts of Mortis episode guide should have been listed after the old Databank entries. Unless you erroneously formatted the old episode guide, which should look like this: StarWars.com Episode Commentary #3.17: Ghosts of Mortis on StarWars.com (original site is defunct)." Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:27, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
    • For Waru's sake, Hanzo, that is the utter definition of a {{Sofixit}}. Not something you leave an objection for. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 17:01, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
      • Well I'm not 100% sure whether you just put the new episode guide in the wrong place, or erroneously formatted the old episode guide. Also am respecting the inuse tag between you and Toprawa. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:13, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Comments

  • You have no life. On the other hand, amazing job. 501st dogma(talk) 21:59, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
  • I can't really tell on this screen resolution, but that intro is ridiculously big (no, this is no joke). JangFett (Talk) 22:03, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
  • Per dogma and Jang. Fe Nite (talk) 01:07, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, I've asked around, and a lot of people believe it's a good length for the size of the article. A lot happens to this guy. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:13, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
  • I won't lie Cade. You scare me. Commander Code-8 You lost the game! 10:17, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure if this is an objection worthy issue, but the segments dealing with the events shown in the novel read very differently from the rest of the article and seem more akin to a narrative than an encyclopedic article. I recall the article being marked for this problem in the past but the template appears to have been removed so perhaps I'm simply mistaken and this style of writing is permissible. Either way good luck with the effort; you carry the torch for all WP:KOTOR members and fans of KOTOR everywhere! JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 08:28, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
    • Hey, thanks. As for the narrative/encyclopedic thing, the article was actually tagged with a Copyvio template because a user actually copied most of the second half of the novel into the article without making many changes. I wrote up the TOR:Revan events while reading the novel, and I guess the reason it reads differently than the KOTOR stuff is because I can go more in-depth as to what actually happened, unlike KOTOR's conversations and the character's feelings. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 14:44, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
  • Revan married Bastilla not Shan. That needs to be changed. —Unsigned comment by 71.196.255.127 (talk • contribs)
    • Wookieepedia common encyclopedic practice is to refer to characters by their last name in further mentions after they have been introduced. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  • Revan looks horrible in Star Wars: The Old Republic... IMO. Is there any chance that the image of him on this page could be changed to one of him wearing his hood and mask? That's the Revan I remember... A badass. —Unsigned comment by 118.93.35.26‎ (talk • contribs)
    • As this is his canonical face, no, there isn't. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 16:03, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
  • Observation: Friday will be Revan's one-year anniversary of nomination, and it still has only one support vote. Prediction: Revan will take longer than Wedge did to pass. :P
    Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    02:12 UTC WedJune 11, 2014
    • This is now the longest FAN ever on Wookieepedia, breaking the record set by Wedge. And it still has only two support votes. Over/under on date of passage: February 14, 2016. :P —MJ— Comlink 18:35, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not making it an actual objection, but wouldn't an image of Jedi Revan be more appropriate for the infobox as opposed to Dark Revan? I just would like the reasoning for the image, although he was Jedi (yes, I know what happened in the expansion's events.).—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 07:28, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
    • I second Jedi Kasra. That is a corrupted form of Revan and didn't even survive long, I suggest you add that one to the appropriate biography section and use as infobox image the previous one. Winterz (talk) 13:24, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
      • We should revert to his unmasked infobox image, and place this one in the appropriate section.AV-6R7User talk:AV-6R7 14:43, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
        • Dark Revan (and I totally love that the name is now a thing) is actually the final physical appearance of Revan, and is the final state of his body. However, I'm not necessarily set on using this image; once I actually beat him in the boss battle, I'll see if I can get a better image and reconsider the infobox. 15:09, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
          • I'm actually calling him Shrevan (short for Shadow Revan) atm, lol. But Winterz' points still stand, imo. It's up to you.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:24, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
            • Also, have you any idea who voiced Revan and Shrevan? Doesn't sound like Bennett.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:31, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
              • No, but I think Dark Revan and the spirit are voiced by different guys... Dark Revan sounds a lot different. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 16:40, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
              • Revan is played by Spencer Garret in the Shadow of Revan expansion.
  • One Inqvote away. Can we push this through before the nomination is two full years old? :P —MJ— War Room 04:08, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • MJ, you know you're perfectly welcome to review stuff yourself if you want things to move faster around here. IFYLOFD (Talk) 04:27, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • I'm aware, and I would if I could (like I did with Wedge while Havac was still around). Unfortunately, real life does not currently permit me the free time needed to properly review an article of this size. I'm only now digging through my watchlist for the first time in nearly two weeks, because RL has kept me away for a while. —MJ— War Room 04:36, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
        • At any rate, Tope's reviewing this now so hopefully it won't take six more years. IFYLOFD (Talk) 04:38, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Vote to strike Kasra's objections (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Been addressed for several months, and Kasra's long gone. CC7567 (talk) 14:59, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote RL calls JangFett (Talk) 15:28, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 00:30, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 01:51, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:51, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote At the last Inqmoot, those Inquisitors present agreed that Revan satisfied the necessary conditions for removal under the provision regarding nominations from editors who have not edited the wiki in a month or longer. At present, Cade has been absent from Wookieepedia since June 30. In that time, a user has taken the liberty of rewriting/expanding much of the article from its originally nominated condition; these changes, detailed and particular as they are, require the surgical attention of someone who commands an expert knowledge of Revan's role in TOR, namely Cade. We agreed to try and make contact with Cade, but my attempt to do so has gone unanswered for nearly two weeks now. I therefore propose this nomination's removal, with regrets to those who have worked hard in its reviewing phase. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:17, August 18, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Exiled Jedi (talk) 04:19, August 18, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Let what must be done be done. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:23, August 18, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote An unfortunate circumstance to befall the nomination, but rules are rules. Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 19:58, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Most unfortunate. Supreme Emperor (talk) 00:23, August 22, 2016 (UTC)