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Narkina 5 Imperial Prison Complex

  • Nominated by: AxMech (talk) 23:37, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Been a long time coming.
  • Date Archived: 20:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 4505 words (328 introduction, 3087 body, 1090 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 3785 words (238 introduction, 2628 body, 919 behind the scenes)
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Nicely done! —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 01:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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Ziara
  • infobox: we use a max of two indentations, so Room five-two should be removed from the infobox
    • Do you mean table five?
      • nah, we eliminate the middle ones so the only the largest and smallest faction
        • I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by that. If I remove room five-two, there's still Dormitory five-two there; wouldn't it make more sense to just remove table five?AxMech (talk) 02:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC) Fixed AxMech (talk) 01:03, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
  • dont need refs in the intro
    • Fixed, except for the first one since there's no other place to mention the full name of the complex
      • still dont need a ref for it. its okay that you dont mention the full name anywhere else
        • Removed
  • lose Cass' middle name and add context for him
    • Feel like since we know it, Cassian's middle name is important info. Added context
      • meh, im not certain on the precedent but i don't think we add middle names (see any of the Andor noms, i dont think any of them mention his middle name) BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
        • Fair, fixed. AxMech (talk) 02:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
  • context for PORD (mention the aldhani robbery)
    • Done
  • link and context for Birnok - i've noticed youve linked him later on but it should be at first mention
    • Done
  • youve got a redlink (level 4)
    • Fixed
  • context for aldhani heist in the body (and dont abbreviate on first mention)
    • Done
  • im not seeing a link to Kino anywhere
    • Added, was present in a previous paragraph that someone deleted
  • you've got a number of duplicate links
  • review note: i'll do a more thorough review some time later. welcome to FAN! BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 23:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
  • intro: link to lake is a disambig, please remove
    • Done
  • pipelink standard years to years
    • Fixed
  • following his arrest for anti-Imperial activity on the planet Niamos while posing as Keef Girgo. - two things. A. he wasnt really arrested for anti-imperial activity, so add that his arrest was unjustified. 2. "posing as Keef Girgo" implies Keef Girgi was a real person, which we do not know. please reword
    • Fixed, although I'm still on the fence for whether we should add subjective opinions like whether or not the arrest was justified (obviously unwarranted but maybe it was legal based on whatever weird Imperial law?)
      • yeah you're right, unwarranted is definetely a more accurate term. my fault BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
  • add PORD somewhere when you being up the directive - i would suggest something along the lines of - the Public Order Resentencing Directive, also known as the "PORD".
    • Added
  • break up that final sentence as well, it'll be awfully long BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
  • since you link the intake warden in the body, he doesnt need to be linked in the opening quote attribs BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Fixed
  • introduce a paragraph break in the intro
    • Split into description and history
  • context for scarif
    • Added
  • wake of the Aldhani heist that saw inmates from the prison reword this, it sounds like the aldhani heist was the prisoner swapping. id suggest adding a bit of context for the heist, and then the level swapping/extended incarcerstion time in a new sentence BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 23:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Totally missed that, fixed AxMech (talk) 00:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
      • this isnt done in the intro. last sentence BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
        • It clearly states that the swapping is a result of the law though? A law that was passed in the wake of the Aldhani heist and saw inmates...
          • it does, but context for the heist is still missing. I've updated it here, take a look
            • Changed it a little but kept the essence, hope it's better now
  • im confused, is this article for all the complexes on Narkina 5 or just the one cass was imprisoned in? BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 01:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • The prison cylinders are like separate buildings of the main facility, it has been stated twice in the show that they all look and work the same, so the "description" section refers to "each cylinder..." or "all cylinders" while the "history" mentions "one of the cylinders" AxMech (talk) 12:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
  • composition:do we know that Dewi and Freedi were "off-world"-lers? i kinda got the feeling they were natives
    • I got the impression they're off-worlders since they came in a spaceship and were fishing near it but I removed the mention to be ok
  • in One Way Out, one of the guards says that a full shut down would take months to start back up. that should be added in the part about hydro (third paragraph) BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 16:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Added and subsectioned AxMech (talk) 18:22, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
  • command center: the link to duty posts is a legends article, please rework
    • Fixed
  • work rings: you can lose the ref to Ham's databank after "complex", youve already done that above. it's not too important a detail that needs its own ref at every mention imo
    • Whoops, too careful, fixed
  • the least productive unit—set of level, room and day/night shift—was this sentence doesnt really make sense, please reword BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Yeah that was bad, replaced with "table" AxMech (talk) 22:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
  • cell rings: free to eat and drink as much as they wanted to stay strong - Jemboc says "they" (Imps) want us to be healthy. that should be mentioned
  • Narkina 5's secret - duplicate link to death star
  • i dont think cassian is said to be an assassin in Andor. rework his context please
  • Niamos being a planet needs a separate ref. Niamos' databank works
  • posing as Keef Girgo - change this
  • a standard month in SW is 35 days, the show says "30 shifts later". reword that sentence
  • fellow inmates of Room 5, Level 2. level first then room. rn it sounds like 5-2, which is cassians room
  • they were cutting a water pipe, not electric cables. i thonk that can be sourced to one of the episodes AD
  • you dont need to refer to him as Manager Loy after providing context at first mention BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 21:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
    • All fixed, added more references for Scarif as well. AxMech (talk) 21:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Erebus
  • If it was established by 5 BBY, the infobox should also make mention of it.
  • Context for Niamos and Aldhani, please.
    • You've added context for Niamos, but not Aldhani. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 23:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
      • Added AxMech (talk) 12:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 18:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Currently, the body makes no mention that the prison complex and the others ruined the moon's water and killed off most aquatic life as stated by the Pamulars.
  • The sentence about the PORD should be followed by that individuals were resentenced instead of being released.
  • Can we identify the two locals, please?
  • Wouldn't it being used for the Death Star thereby make it part of Project Stardust?
  • The infobox should be using {{Structure}} instead of the current template.
  • That final sentence in Composition has no stops. Please find a place to create a suitable full stop.
  • From my recollection, but you can ask an Inq, we tend to avoid putting information in brackets in the body, as you currently have in the second paragraph of Narkina's secret. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 22:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
    • All addressed/fixed. AxMech (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Article is missing the {{Mediacat}}.
  • The images should all be alternating consecutively.
  • Quote regarding the Hydro Gens is missing from Power supply, same with the quote about the Empire wanting them "healthy and strong." Also, "Hydro Gens" are capitalized in the subtitles, so an article could be warranted, but I'll get back to you on that one.
  • I'm noticing that room where the inmates are cleaned by ceiling-mounted sprayers shown in "Narkina 5" is not included anywhere on the article. Could you please add its information?
  • The Eta-class supply barges should be italicized per the MOS, please. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 23:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
    • All fixed. AxMech (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 18:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Samonic
  • Preliminary objection: There's surely quotes for "Imperial personnel" and "Inmates," are there not? I'd recommend checking the episodes for quotes for the sections that currently lack quotes. At the very least, you could add the 12 guards quote to "Imperial personnel." Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 18:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Did some digging to related articles and added some quotes to sections missing them AxMech (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Editor
  • Include Melshi's first name in his first mention
  • Instead of just saying "at least two inmates escaped", feel free to say "at least two inmates, Andor and Melshi, escaped"
  • You could also have a sentence about how they discuss that they may be the only two people able to warn the galaxy of what is going on Editoronthewiki (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • All fixed! AxMech (talk) 21:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Minor grammar note, you need one more comma after "Andor and Melshi" in the sentence "at least two inmates, Andor and Melshi escaped aboard squigglie fishers Dewi and Freedi Pamular's quadjumper" Editoronthewiki (talk) 02:39, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • Damn, some really impressive work here! Some preliminary stuff based on what I've done on Ham and Rhasiv: seems that we currently have multiple pages for some of the floors, there's Level 2 (Narkina 5) and level two, and Level 4 (Narkina 5) and four. I've not found anywhere in the episodes where they actually use Level 2 or Level 4, only level two and four based on the subtitles, so unless I've missed something those should be the articles that are linked too and the others redirected. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Four is in the process of being merged with Level 4 so I assume that Level 2 is also correct? If we have Level 5, Level 4 and Level 8 the format should be implemented to Level 2 as well imo
      • Four (or 4) is still the only correct names we have for the page per the discussion on Discord. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
        • The articles have been merged though?
          • That was only Level 2, four and Level 4 haven't been merged and when they are then four should be the remaining article unless there's a source that calls it Level 4. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
            • As explained on Discord there's a display screen that IDs the Level between 2 and 3 as Level 4
              • That screen just has the number 4 on it, not Level 4. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
                • Well then, I still find this completely unnecessary but I linked all mentions of Level 4 to Four at least until the matter is resolved in Discord or a SH AxMech (talk) 23:31, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
                  • You shouldn't use the term Level 4 and pipelink it either. You can either just use four or something that isn't a proper noun like "the fourth level" or something like that. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:34, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
                    • I personally still completely disagree with this but I understand the rules. Changed all mentions to "four" AxMech (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • You describe the plan as Andor and Melshis's, but it's Birnok we see Andor discussing it with on all occasions prior to him telling Loy. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • If you've not checked the audio descriptions for the episodes, then I'd take a listen since there's a lot of additional info there. For example, it identifies the tools used on the work tables as riveting tools and laser solder guns, which both need pages and should be mentioned. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Created the pages and added the AD reference
  • You currently only mention it being human male-only in the intro, but since that's never directly stated it should probably be removed anyway. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Removed AxMech (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
      • You still have that there's only human inmates. 17:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
        • Dang I forgot to save, fixed now AxMech (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • For information only given in the audio description we use a separate reference noting this in brackets since most people will be unaware that there's additional info there. To my knowledge, Narkina 5 being a moon is an example of audio description exclusive info that'll need a separate ref. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Added AD reference AxMech (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Seems like there's still info from the audio descriptions missing, for example, in Narkina 5 it's mentioned that the prison rises roughly thirty meters from the lake. I'd recommend rewatching all the Narkina 5 sections with the audio description on to see what other details it provides. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Fixed the height reference and waiting for further AD notes as discussed in Discord. AxMech (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Sorry for the delay on this, took a while to find the time to go through all three episodes. Here's all the notes relevant to the building I took:
        • Narkina 5 Audio Description:
          • Prsion described as a huge structure built like an island out in the middle of the lake rising roughly thirty meters above the water line.
          • Heptaganal structure, Andor lands at docking bay with a metallic floor - a long white tunnel ending in open-air platform
          • Several more of the strange fabricated islands appear further off in the lake
          • There is a series of narrow steps leading down to the control room
            • I really think this is redundant.AxMech (talk) 15:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
              • Redundant to what? You don't describe the stairs leading down to the guard box as narrow anywhere else. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
          • Factory floor described as a huge, open, brightly lit, stark white space and a starkly pristine environment
          • Room is organized around seven factory workstations with each hub equipped with power tools suspended from above like chandeliers. One of these is a tightening tool and another a drilling tool.
          • Sterile white windowed skybridge has a glossy room divider down the center
          • Skybridges span from perimeter wall to the inner core with a background of cascading water
          • The cell block is a long, sterile corridor with steel plated floor and rows of doorless cells
          • Illuminated perimeter of cell entryway acts as a faint nightlight
            • This had already been added, last phrase of "dormitories" sectionAxMech (talk) 15:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
          • The floor lights are described as running lights
          • Shower room is a cramp chamber with windowed door that seals from the front and back. Cleansing mist sprays down from slats in the ceiling. The prisoners then file out from the front door to retrieve uniforms from cubbies.
            • I write "ceiling-mounted mist sprays", I don't think the type of ceiling mounting (slats) is necessary.AxMech (talk) 15:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
              • I think it's pretty easy to include the description of slats since its explicitly given in the AD, but you also still don't describe the shower as cramped and I'd go into more detail about the shower doors sealing at both sides of the room rather then just vaguely describing it as sealing. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
                • Added the cramped shower and the sealing from both sides. Still think the slats are redundant and would require me to rewrite the entire paragraph.
        • Nobody's Listening! Audio Description
          • Balcony has two observation windows
          • The workfloor has an open sided water closet with lidded toilet built into a ledge and a sink in a wall recess. Cassian saws at main water stand pipe in panel above sink.
          • Area between the core and outer rim with skybridges forming spokes is an atrium
          • On factory floor, complete racks are pushed inside storage compartments
        • One Way Out Audio Description
          • The factory floor control room is the guard box
          • There are air hoses hanging above the workstations
          • The stairwell continues up for roughly a dozen more stories (I'd assume this is stories of stairs rather then floors of the building)
            • You've put that it's twelve stories total, but the audio description says it goes up fro a dozen more stories from the point there at, which isn't the lowest floor of the building, so it must be more that a dozen stories. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
              • This has been added for a while now
          • Massive hydro-electric silos of cascading water in the open atrium power down when energy turned off
          • The corridor they run down to the landing bay is the intake corridor
            • Redundant, imoAxMech (talk) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
      • Some of this is already covered, but thought I'd give you the full list so you can see specific terminology used and stuff. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
        • Thank you so much, this is massive help and I appreciate it very, very much! All added! AxMech (talk) 09:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
  • In the intro the description of the shocks makes it sound as though the lethality is random or dependent on the prisoner rather then a series of controlled levels, one of which is lethal. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Expanded section
  • I think the no more than eighty-four guards statement needs to be specified to the factory levels since we have no information about how many guards are stationed on the eighth level, including the intake warden. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Fixed reference
      • This needs to be fixed in the intro as well. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Reworded to clarify the presence of more guards, but kept the number since it needs to be mentioned
  • Similarly, I'm not sure we can say the total number of prisoners given Rhasiv seems to be separate from the work force despite being a prisoner. The number can be kept, but needs to be specififed to the prisoners in the work rooms. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Added clarification and new reference
      • Just because floor manager and medical technician were the only roles shown doesn't mean there aren't others. Axmech you have a tendency to make these kind of assumptions or extrapolations based on not enough information. Generally speaking, if something isn't directly stated then it shouldn't be assumed unless it's just simple math, which this instance is not. You also still have the original numbers in the intro. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Except for the reference which I fixed, nowhere did I state that medtech and manager are the only occupations by prisoners, I mentioned "promoted inmates" which includes those roles we've seen but doesn't exclude possible others.
          • The issue was the reference, but saying that all 100 additional prisoners were promoted is also speculation. All we know is that there's 100 prisoners not accounted for in the floor workers count and that some of those 100 are the floor managers and medical technicians. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
            • Moved reference to composition, and removed mention of the 100 promoted inmates
  • You state that the medical technicians were housed with the other prisoners, but what source supports that? I've not seen any information about where he's housed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • In One Way out, Rhasiv leaves a dormitory along with regular inmates, implying that he's housed in the same room as them.
      • I don't think that scene is enough to imply that. How do we know he wasn't there treating an inmate? Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Isn't that an even broader assumption as well? We've seen the dormitories being used for inmates to sleep in, and we know that Rhasiv is an inmate because he's subject to "on program" treatment. There's no reason, in my opinion, to assume that he doesn't sleep there but instead was just visiting.
          • Yes, saying he was treating an inmate there would be an assumption as well, but I'm not asking you to include that assumption, I'm saying that both are possible assumptions that could be made and that we should not make any assumption at all because we don't know which, if either, is true. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
            • Removed assumption
  • You currently describe Veemoss' death prior to the arrival of Cassian, which is inaccurate chronologically. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • The reason for this is to have better flow for the escape attempt on the paragraph
      • The history section should always be presented in a way that makes the chronological order of events clear. You can say something along the lines of "Veemoss committed suicide shorlty after the arrival of the rebel Cassian Andor. Andor then..." but it needs to be apparent that Veemoss died after Andor arrived. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Reworded
          • Thinking about it, is there any evidence that prisoners other than Veemoss committed suicide? If not then you shouldn't say some prisoners. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
            • A prisoner is heard saying "not again" when Veemoss kills himself
  • Where in Narkina 5 is it stated that the prison exclusively holds human males? Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
    • I believe I've removed all mentions of this from the article? Couldn't find any leftovers, feel free to copy-edit them out
      • It's still stated in the last sentence of the staff section. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Thanks, removedAxMech (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
  • You can link to the specific Getty image that provides the full name and give a date for its release, see R5-D5 for a similar example. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • Please check for duplicate links.
    • Fixed all I could find
  • I'm going to suggest prosifying all of the inmate names (if they aren't already mentioned in the body) and then removing the list. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 01:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Done and removed the list AxMech (talk) 12:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Uh oh, this looks a little extrapolatory to me: "which was so common..." Unless I'm misremembering, the episode doesn't say that this was a common event. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 19:15, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
    • I guess the lack of any reactions from the prisoners does say something, although you're right that it's extrapolation. Fixed AxMech (talk) 23:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Big BtS Time (BE)
  • Hello, here to dump a bunch of interviews etc that touch upon the Narkina prison and the ideas behind it and the production around it (worthy of consideration for the Behind the scenes section). Some of these sources are from Star Wars itself and should definitely be put in the Sources section.
    [1]
    [2]
    [3]
    [4]
    [5]
    [6]
    [7]
    [8] (read via archive.org)
    [9]
    [10]
    This said, there's a tonne of interviews by Andor cast and crew on the series (pretty easy to find by searching the relevant words), so I'd recommend doing your own digging as well. If you got any Qs on working on extended BtS sections do say.     Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 13:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Wow, that's a lot of stuff! I think I've now added everything from your sources and a couple extra AxMech (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Second intro paragraph could use a split.
    • Done
  • There's definitely quotes available for those unquoted BtS sections.
    • Added
  • Given stuff about the filming time was covered earlier in the filming section, I think you should move the aspects of the final paragraph (about it being the last stuff to be done and the choreography) earlier on, to help with the continuity. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 11:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Aldo done! AxMech (talk) 21:10, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
  • First paragraph of the BtS needs a subsection header (and subsequently a quote). Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 21:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Added quote and bonus image AxMech (talk) 15:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
  • There's a fair bit of duplicate links still. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 18:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
    • Don't seem to be able to find any. Minding elaborating? I've checked the entire thing thrice AxMech (talk) 20:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
ThrawnChiss
  • In the command center in "One Way Out" there is a schematic of the facility that has all 8 different levels shown, would like to see a picture addded. -ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 14:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Don't think it fits anywhere except for the skybridges section, and there's no clear shot of it either, otherwise I'd have already used it
      • This is really important, and I think pages will need to be created based of this image (ie "7"). If I remeber correctly, there is a clear shot of it, but I could be mistaken. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 00:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
        • I agree that it's very important, but I must once again say that I couldn't find a clear shot of it anywhere. There's parts of it visible in different shots but no clear view of the entire monitor.AxMech (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
        • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 19:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Tons of databank entries will need to be in sources with a {{Po}} tag. -ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 14:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Added! Good find AxMech (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Like I said in my struck objection, "pages will need to be created based of this image (ie "7")". ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 19:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
    • You're right on that. 6 and 7 created.AxMech (talk) 20:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Level 1 (Narkina 5) needs to be included. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 22:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • New source needs to be added. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 14:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Added, sorry!AxMech (talk) 23:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Marvac
  • There appears to be a contradiction in the subsection "Dormitories." The quote in that section states that there are two prisoners in each cell however you have written "50 cells, with one for each prisoner." Marvacian Archivist (talk) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • In the same subsection, please state that there are two beds in each cell. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • In the infobox, please remove Table Five as the article is about a labour group and isn't a location inside the facility. I would recommend you replace Table five from the infobox and add in Room five-two as this is a location and point of interest. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Removed
      • Hi. Just to let you know Table Five hasn't been removed in the Infobox. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Regarding the infobox points of interest subsection, the links to 6 and 7 should be deleted and replaced with Level 6 and Level 7. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
    • There was significant discussion on Discord regarding the naming of these levels; although I personally agree that, by conjecture, they should be named "Level x", most reviewers remarked that the only in-universe source for their existence is the image in the command room screen which only identifies them by number.
  • Please remove all context for subjects other than the article subject itself in the intro. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I don't think that's necessary; a FAN article should be "as comprehensive as possible", therefore a minimum amount of context for subjects mentioned such as Cassian being an early rebel spy are relevant and should be mentioned.AxMech (talk) 11:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
      • There isn't much of a point adding context in intro as you would anyway be neededing context for subjects in the main body of your article. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I think it's important to state in the Dormitories section that the food coming from the tubes were favourless unless one of the tables were the most poductive out of the group. I feel this should be included as it helps paint a picture on what Narkina 5 is like. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 16:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Good point, I thought I had added this. Added in "cell rings" section
  • In the starting sentence of the History Section, I think its important to say that 5 BBY is during the Imperial era to give readers context on when the events in Narkina 5 occured. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Redundant; 5 BBY dates itself to the Imperial era
  • In the second image of the Composition section, you mention that the complex was located in a lake surrounded by snowy mesas. Are you sure that they are snowy mesas as looking at Episode 11 of Star Wars Andor, they seem to actually be desert mesas. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 07:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
    • This detail is mentioned in the ADAxMech (talk) 17:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Ok so after watching the Narkina 5 episode, please mention that the dormitories are cleaned every day. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 09:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Added
  • Please check all the quotes in the article and make corrections accordingly as they don't seem to be accurate to what was actually said. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 07:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Checked and everything seems right? Which one is the problem?AxMech (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I have been thinking about this one for some time and I believe it's time that you add a disambiguation template of Narkina 5 as there are lots of articles starting with "Narkina 5...". Marvacian Archivist (talk) 08:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Please place the mediacat template in the Notes and references section instead of Appearances. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 09:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Done
  • Just noticed in the infobox that you will need to update all the references to the points of interest as the references you have provided isn't when those locations were first mentioned/ appeared. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 05:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Single-digits levels appeared in OWO, 5-2 locations appeared in N5. The Levels the prisoner who was fried lived in appeared in NL!. I don't know what else you're referring to?
  • I think you need to add more description of the prison to your intro. I recommend you do this by summarising the description section of your article into one or two paragraphs. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 05:21, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
    • AddedAxMech (talk) 13:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Looks good. I recommend that you go into further detail the work ring, the central command area and the outer ring. Try talking about what these places looked like briefly to provide the reader an understanding of the prison complex. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 10:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Could you elaborate on what specifically needs to be added? All of the information we've been given about these locations is already there.AxMech (talk) 22:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Lew
  • We don't use TV as an acronym, please change the wording to something more appropriate
    • Fixed
  • You should remove mention in the infobox and body of the prison being constructed by 5 BBY, it's pretty unncessary to include it was constructed by the date it appeared, I would just rework it into dating the events of Andor to that year Lewisr (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Why? We know the prison was constructed by that date since it was fully functional and staffed by the time Cassian got there. No info should be excluded, especially in a FAN.
      • It's just redundant information to be listing and mentioning. Of course the prison was constructed before it first appeared in something. And it is precedent to not list such information. I objected to the same thing on Marvac's tomb of Miktrull nomination, which was removed, for example Lewisr (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Removed from the infobox. Mention of the date is already in the intro and article bodyAxMech (talk) 10:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
          • It should still be changed in the body, instead of saying it was constructed by that year, just establish that the events of the show and the stuff with the Death Star were taking place in that year Lewisr (talk) 22:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
            • Changed
  • There are multiple points of interest in the infobox that are not mentioned or linked elsewhere
    • Added everything
      • This wasn't fully addressed
        • Added 1, there's nothing else left to add?
  • There are many things mentioned in the intro that are not mentioned elsewhere: 98 work teams, the widgets being transported to the Imperial Center of Military Research, the Senate passing the PORD, the info about giving 'Emperor Palpatine a pretext to tighten security in all sectors', and double incarceration time
    • Added except for the bit about Palpatine; context about the PORD is explained in detail in the history section
      • That would mean he is still only mentioned in the intro, that needs to included in the body Lewisr (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
        • I don't understand the issue here.AxMech (talk) 12:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
          • The issue is that information being mentioned solely in the introduction is not allowed, it has to be mentioned within the body also. Lewisr (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
            • All information except for Palpatine given a pretext etc. has been added to the body since my first reply to the objection, so I don't understand the issue?AxMech (talk) 10:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
              • The issue is that no information is allowed to be intro exclusive. So the Palpatine information needs to be included in the body also Lewisr (talk) 22:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The first paragraph of the BTS needs a bit of work, you should amend the mention of it first appearing in the trailer to just being first depicted in the trailer, as sources do not count as appearances. And then you can remove the 'on screen' in the following sentence and just say it first appeared in that episode. The 'unidentified' when referring to the warden needs to be removed, we do not include unidentified in prose
    • Fixed
  • I think you should note Tony Gilroy's role as showrunner, he's a bit more than simply a writer on the show. George Lucas also needs some context Lewisr (talk) 16:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Good points, addedAxMech (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for Aldhani in the body, and the Scarif context should be at its first mention in the body Lewisr (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Expanded the relevant sectionsAxMech (talk) 10:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Scarif being a planet isn't established in "Rix Road" so you'll need to move the reference you were using for it prior (the Rogue One guide) up as well. Lewisr (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Added correct reference
  • Do we actually know the components were shipped to the Imperial Center of Military Research? The center wasn't shown or referenced so it could either be another building, or directly to the Death Star itself in orbit Lewisr (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Removed mention entirelyAxMech (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
      • It's still there in the introduction Lewisr (talk) 22:29, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Narkina 5 Imperial Prison Complex command center needs to be linked in the body Lewisr (talk) 19:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • There are a number of dup links that need removing Lewisr (talk) 19:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Have you checked that the first pronouns usage for characters can be cited to the current sources? Lewisr (talk) 15:59, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Checked and corrected where necessaryAxMech (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide needs to be added as a source, doesn't seem like there is much info that is new beyond an alternative name 'Narkina 5 detention facility'. Mentioned on Cassian's page if you by chance have the book and needed to find Lewisr (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Will be receiving my copy of the book next week, will update thenAxMech (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC) Noting that I have received my copy and made all necessary changes
      • This needs to be noted in the BTS and also the source listed with 1 1stID in sources Lewisr (talk) 23:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
spookly
  • Article remains in two maintenance categories. To be solved by utilizing ArchiveAccess properly.
  • Since it's related; to be repeated for probably a lot of cards + one from another set. As all of these are physical and the set has text, anything that it's pictured or mentioned in gets added; with each archivedate added to the ArchiveAccess individually.—spookywillowwtalk 00:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Added all missing cards+backup linksAxMech (talk) 23:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
      • I believe some of these may be listed incorrectly. The cards are listed as "2023 Topps Star Wars" whilst they seem to be a 2022 set; these should all include the full set name as well, such as can be seen in the same card of Ulaf suffers a stroke; these were all released in 5 card sets per episode. The full titling and which card is in each subset can be found on the Topps website.—spookywillowwtalk 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
        • My bad, I mixed the sets up. Fixed and the links to the wook articles for the sets now workAxMech (talk) 22:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Tomotron
  • Sorry I have to do this, but please change/implement any missing em dashes, en dashes, serial commas, and so forth by using this copy-edit example. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 02:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I really can't find any of those missing?AxMech (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • With BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird's comments and suggestions the power supply paragraph expanded in size so I split it to another subsection with its own image AxMech (talk) 18:19, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Subsectioned cell rings into "skybridges" and "dormitories" following objection notes AxMech (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Added "known inmates" subsection following review note AxMech (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
  • (Comment about the vote below) While I understand that an image can't be used, pages still need to be created for the levels. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 18:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I hadn't seen this comment. Feel free to make a new objection requesting the page creation. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 19:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • The complex is mentioned in Star Wars Insider 219, in the article "Galactic Britain II: Cassian's Travels", I don't really know if it has new info, but if you don't have access to the issue you can ask on the Wook server on discord if anyone has the relevant page, or you can dm me on discord and I can provide you with it Lewisr (talk) 01:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Not required but do recommend: Is it possible to add audio files to the quotes in the article? Feel free to ask me if you have any questions on how to do this. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 07:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Vote to strike objections (Inq only)
1
  1. Inqvote For ThrawnChiss' objection; seems to have been replied to/addressed since April.—spookywillowwtalk 17:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 17:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 19:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
2
  1. Inqvote For ThrawnChiss' from the 22nd of last month.—spookywillowwtalk 18:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Supreme Emperor Holocomm 18:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 14:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)
  1. Inqvote Per Inq-channel agreement; violating rule 7 regarding nomination addressing. Recommended to put up when more time can be put into accurately addressing objections to their full extent so that objection replies to board members are accurate. Lewisr (talk) 20:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote It would be good to see that the nominator puts in higher levels of effort into fully addressing objections, especially on the Featured article nominations. OOM 224 (he/him) 20:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Unique case, but fits the bill. FAN process is extensive, and objectors are here to help, not to do the heavy lifting, and usually rely on nominator replies being accurate.—spookywillowwtalk 20:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)