Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Carnivorous plant

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Carnivorous plant

  • Nominated by: ~~~~TheTrooperGuy (talk) 16:16, June 26, 2020 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I've put quite a lot of effort into creating this page, and I hope that I can see it through to featured status!

(0 Inqs/1 Users/1 Total)

(Votes required: 3 Inq vote(s) required to reach minimum. Additional 3 user or 2 Inq votes required to pass.)

Support

  1. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:51, July 6, 2020 (UTC)

Object

Spooky
  • Top quote and Biology quote link to redirects for the [src].
  • Is there no way to work Jas Emari into the article body, so the link can be removed out of the quote descriptor? (top quote)
  • For an article of this size, the introduction needs to be expanded.
  • I would break up some of the larger paragraphs in 'Biology' and also introduce subsections within that section. This would make it more organized, and also leave room for another quote or two.
  • (History) The dates 21 BBY, 18 BBY, and 14 BBY cannot be pulled directly from said episode/book/comic, you'll need a separate date reference for it.
    • The dating reference for 14 BBY says "...it can be deduced that the events of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order take place around 14 BBY." However, this article says "in 14 BBY". Can it be tied down to in 14 BBY, or should the article be changed to reflect "around"?—spookywillowwtalk 14:45, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
      • As far as I know the date isn't pinned down. Fixed.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 19:49, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • The last part of the BtS is unreferenced.
  • The exact episode airing date should be acquired for the subject's first appearance, with the appropriate reference date for the specific day.
    • Fixed all.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 17:13, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
    • "February 13, 2009" cannot be pulled from only citing the episode itself. Hence why I'd noted that an appropriate separate reference needs to be added to confirm that date.—spookywillowwtalk 14:45, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
      • My bad. Meant to link the episode guide.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 19:49, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • (BtS) "The adaptation of consuming animals in order to gain the nutrients lacking in their soil is shared between the carnivorous plants in Star Wars and those of the real world." is intriguing, but unnecessary.
    • I believe that this information is relevant to BtS, as it shows how the creators of the carnivorous plants of Star Wars drew inspiration from those of Earth. Nevertheless, if the consensus is that the sentence should still be removed, I will do so.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 17:42, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
      • It is general precedent to not include coincidental information in articles, however related to the real world. Our own conjecture and what we perceive to be the inspiration of these topics also matters little. It would be different if the BtS were to include [this Star Wars author] drew inspiration from the real world, and we would include that quote. But, I don't see evidence of anything other than opinion at current. What is done is adding the "External links", which is already here in this case.—spookywillowwtalk 14:45, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
        • Fair enough. Edited out reference to the soil of real-world carnivorous plant.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 19:49, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • The appearances list is missing several audiobook adaptations of those novels.
  • Solve double links.—spookywillowwtalk 15:36, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
    • I apologize, I'm not aware of what that means.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 18:00, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
  • Please adhere to the LG's formatting of images in regards to the proper ordering of left, right, and thumb. Also, check the proper input for the "px" usage.
  • Parenthesis () should be removed from the article body and date notes, and be replaced with commas or — for better flow, and quality of read.
  • In the section "The sarlacc", there should be a way to move a mention of C-3PO into the body, and thus be able to remove the link from the quote description.—spookywillowwtalk 14:45, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I'm aware of this issue, but I'm honestly no sure how to fix it. The page originally had a section on sarlaccs under History in which C-3PO was mentioned, but it was removed as the species's status as a carnivorous plant is disputed. Would it be best to remove the quote altogether, or would the reinstatement of sarlaccs under History be acceptable?--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 19:49, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
      • Not sure, I'll strike for now. Likely to be brought up later.—spookywillowwtalk 17:48, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
Ratts
  • As this is a canon article, please get rid of all Legends links.
  • The description field of the infobox can be filled, and habitat field can be expanded.
  • The venus flytrap connection can't be sourced to the game, and the external links are unnecessary.
  • Reeksa is listed as appearing in LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens and should be noted in Appearances.
  • Likewise, carnivorous plants appear in the first episode of Star Wars Roll Out on D'Qar. While they don't appear to be creepervines, it should still be noted in the BTS.
    • Done all of the above.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 20:16, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
      • You should include an air date for the episode. RattsT (talk) 03:27, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
        • Done.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 15:54, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
          • You need to properly source that, a link to the video isn't enough. You need to format that information in {{SWKidsYoutube}} and also save the page on Internet Archive. Instructions on how to do so are in the link. RattsT (talk) 20:43, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
            • Alright, I believe I've now sourced the video correctly. Thanks for the helpful link. Would you happen to know how to source the release dates of media that didn't debut online?--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 03:02, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
  • Have you checked either The Art of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order or the Clone Wars episode guide for concept art? That can be included in the BTS.
    • There is indeed concept art in both, though I've attempted to upload images in the past and failed, without figuring out what I did wrong.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 21:06, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing note) - please do not move or otherwise edit a reviewer's objections. RattsT (talk) 03:27, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
    • Apologies, I was trying to rearrange in order to address multiple objections in a single reply. Won't happen again.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 15:54, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • The Clone Wars episode date can be sourced to it's original episode guide; that content is no longer available on StarWars.com, but can be accessed through archive sites. You can see how to properly reference it here.
  • The old guide needs to be added to Sources, along with a {{1stID}} tag. RattsT (talk) 05:54, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
  • Once again, there's a release date without a reference, the Ewoks episode this time. RattsT (talk) 23:55, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
    • Yeah I'm aware, sorry. Looking for a source for the date. Is IMDB acceptable?--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 03:59, July 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • Definitely not. Wikipedia and IMDB, just like Wookieepedia, can be edited by anyone, and facts should not be taken from those sites unless they are clearly corroborated by additional sources. You will need something else. RattsT (talk) 22:24, July 2, 2020 (UTC)
        • Alright, all dates have now been sourced.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 17:01, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
          • Can all of the information in that sentence be sourced to the Insider article, or just the airdate? If the latter, you'll need to rearrange the references. RattsT (talk) 07:57, July 4, 2020 (UTC)
            • There's now a date for a Freemaker Adventures episodes that I can't find a valid reference for. There was apparently a page on the Disney XD website, but it's gone now and was never archived.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 21:30, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
  • Biting my tongue on my comment below, a unique sentient species of carnivorous plant appears in issues 19 and 32 of Star Wars Adventures, meaning this page needs updates. RattsT (talk) 10:04, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
    • Crap. I thought I was thorough; thank you for alerting me. Page has been updated.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 20:13, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
      • The appearance in Adventures 32 needs to be detailed as well. RattsT (talk) 05:22, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • Not all plants are green or solely green, as the infobox suggests.
  • You shouldn't say the Opop Hiddedit plants were "unique" in their sentience, as some other plants very well could be intelligent.
    • Still phrased this way multiple times in the article. On a similar note, you state that chatterplants' color makes them "an irregularity among the flora of the galaxy." Is that stated in the comic? You should never say something is unique or irregular unless a source actually describes it as such. RattsT (talk) 21:30, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
      • Fixed unsourced info on chatterplants. Currently, the article does not state that the Opop Hibbedit plants are unique for their sentience, but for their ability to speak.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 22:31, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
        • And what I'm saying is, the comic they appear in does not say they are unique, that's just an assumption of yours, so therefore it shouldn't be presented as being stated in the comic. RattsT (talk) 23:07, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
  • Graf-World doesn't seem to be the actual name of the planet, so you shouldn't refer to it that way.
  • "though it posed little threat to large animals due to its size…" where is this specified?
  • The Holdo info in the History can be expanded a bit.
  • (Reviewing note): No need for a full stop in quote attributions that aren't complete sentences, i.e., "Captain Typho's description of the reeksa, necessary for an antidote to the Blue Shadow Virus" should not have a period. RattsT (talk) 00:48, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • Can you crop the image from Adventures 19? That white wedge on the left is unnecessary. RattsT (talk) 10:18, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
OOM
  • {{Imagecat}} needs to be added.
  • Designation of sentience is infobox-exclusive. The information needs to be included in the article body - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 14:49, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
  • No problem! Continuing on, there are a few instances of italics that don't surround any text (e.g. '' ''). They should be removed.
  • Please bear in mind that files and templates should use underscores in place of spaces (e.g. File:Jaw_Plant.jpg, not File:Jaw Plant.jpg).
  • Headers should not be flanked by spaces (e.g. ==Section name==, not == Section name ==).
  • There's an undefined reference in the bts section (<ref name=":0" />).
  • Return of the Jedi's release year needs to be sourced. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 16:33, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I'm not sure what a valid source for release dates is. They don't seem to be on StarWars.com. Trying to find an example elsewhere on the Wook.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 17:39, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
      • Sorry to interject, but I don't think films release year needs specific sourcing, J'Quille for example doesn't --Lewisr (talk) 03:23, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
        • Yeah, so far, I've yet to find any example of a referenced film release date in a featured article.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 04:13, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
QGJ
  • When using multiple references in a row, they should be formatted in ascending order. Please adjust that in the infobox and anywhere else where applicable.
  • Please format ref 19 using {{YouTube}}
  • Non-canonical appearance in LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens needs to be discussed in the Bts.
  • As carnivorous plants have existed in the Legends continuity prior to their appearance in The Clone Wars (ex. Stranglethorn), you will need to mention their first appearance in Legends in the Bts, per general precedent. This will require a bit of research, though. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 09:01, June 30, 2020 (UTC)
Editor
  • We were discussing a date on here on the discord. "Second year of the Clone Wars" could mean 21 or 20 BBY depending on how you look at it. So we're thinking you should just keep it as "during the second year of the Clone Wars" to avoid that debate--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:45, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
Tommy
  • This is a formal objection that the page needs to be updated and {{Update}} subsequently removed. Tommy-Macaroni 21:40, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

Comments

  • While the effort you've put into this article is commendable, I don't think it's suitable for status. The sixth rule of the nomination guidelines states that articles must be stable, meaning they should not appear in future material, which warrants updates to them. In my opinion, this is most likely one of those articles as this is a much broader topic. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:25, June 28, 2020 (UTC)
    • While this article does indeed cover a broad subject, I disagree with Shayanomer here. Carnivorous plants have relatively few appearances in canon so far, and this article is currently not in danger of changing "significantly from day to day," as the guidelines suggest. As long as the nominator can sufficiently continue to keep this page up to date with any following appearances that may occur, I see no reason that the article be deemed unsuitable for status. RattsT (talk) 03:27, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
      • I appreciate you voicing your stance, and I agree. Significant day-to-day changes to the page are unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future, and I can vouch for my own dedication to maintaining its up-to-date status.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 04:11, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
        • Upon further inspection, I no longer agree with my comment above. Over the past few days this page has seen significant expansion, with new sources being added to the page almost daily. Every time this occurs, the article must be re-reviewed. The FA nominations should be at a point where they do not require major updates like this. For this reason, I think it would be in the best interest of the nominator to request an Inq to remove this nomination. I don't say this to deter you, TrooperGuy, as I recognize the amount of work you've put into this page, but the fact remains that the article currently does not hold up to the standards of the FA review board and a significant look through more sources is required. RattsT (talk) 00:37, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • Not a formal objection here, but the current image placement clutters up the article in my opinion. I suggest tweaking the images, maybe removing less significant ones, so that only approximately one image is displayed on-screen at a time. Also, the last image could be made smaller. It displaces the appearances section header at the moment. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 10:05, July 11, 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry it's taken me a bit to respond here. I've decluttered the images as best as I can.--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 08:12, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
  • I noticed a few instances of "-" being replaced with "–" in the source editor. Is this something that needs to be implemented to all dashes, or removed from the page?--TheTrooperGuy (talk) 20:58, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
    • Not sure about dashes used in citation templates, but all instances of "–" in the article text should be replaced by "–," just as "..." should be replaced by "…." However, I'll have to see the specific revision(s) on hyphens ("-") being replaced by en dashes if that's really the case, since the two are different punctuation marks. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 02:44, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • Don't want to add as an objection, the section in the history concerning chatterplants will need a slight update per Doctor Aphra: An Audiobook Original. --Lewisr (talk) 20:30, July 21, 2020 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Unaddressed objection from Ratts over 2 weeks old (thanks to Ratts for pointing this out, I didn't see it originally). Tommy-Macaroni 21:49, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:50, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Imperators II(Talk) 07:57, August 9, 2020 (UTC)