Talk: Bespashin

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Assassination attempt on Boba Fett

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Quote

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Blocked

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Lando age

Hey there! Regarding this edit, which story within From a Certain Point of View: The Empire Strikes Back states this exactly please? Lewisr (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

  • It's been a month since I asked this so I'd be grateful if you could respond please. I searched the book and couldn't see any mention of Lando being 41. So if you don't respond I'm going to change it back to what it was before. Thanks Lewisr (talk) 01:12, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Blocked again

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Tense and sourcing

Hello! You recently edited the canon article for Boba Fett and added a pretty significant chunk of text. This prose was written in the present tense; however, in-universe articles are to be written in past tense per our Manual of Style. Each paragraph should also be sourced per our sourcing policy. If you need help with either of these, I can carry your edit over to the sandbox for us to work it out before adding it back to the article. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 03:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Boba Fett

Hey there! Regarding this edit, where is this info about Boba visiting Vandor in "Beyond the Clouds", I don't believe this in that story, so can you tell me where it is please? Thanks! 19:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, the info was from ‘Lando Calrissian and Other Characters From the Galaxy’. I copied the source box over from another part of the article, and thought I’d changed the source to the book. I’ll update it now! —Unsigned comment by Bespashin (talk • contribs)

  • Are you sure that's where it comes from? Because another user has stated it isn't in that book Lewisr (talk) 12:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Ezra Bridger’s mentors

Hey there. If we were to use your defintion then these master/apprentice lists would be impossibly long, because characters get given pieces of wisdom given to them by anyone and everyone all the time. You seem to be missing the purpose of the field and taking it a bit too literally. Just because Ahsoka did a bit of lightsaber training with Ezra that doesn't really make her a mentor or master of his. With Maul it's very incorrect to list Maul as a master/mentor, Ezra never agreed to be some kind of student of his, and whilst Maul may have claimed Ezra was his apprentice, he never actually was. Regarding Hondo, again I just don't think he should be listed, they may be fond of each other and Hondo may have taught him a thing or two, but it's not really enough to be listed in the infobox without a source flatout saying he was some kind of mentor Lewisr (talk) 15:54, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  • I'm not quite sure what you mean, I've never said it has to do with not liking someone or looking back and not considering them a mentor after the fact. Ezra didn't consider him his master during the fact that it was going on. I'm not trying to create a barrier at all, and I find your accusations to be very harsh if I'm honest, I do my best to adhere to what is canon, and I don't see actual canon evidence for them being mentors, hence why I suggested that you find a source that flatout says they are mentors then I would be fine with adding them Lewisr (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Verify

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  • Hello there. I noticed your recent contribution for Kanan Jarrus. Similar to the message above, you should take a look this as a tutorial on how to properly add references and citations. Cheers! Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 16:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Image upload

Hey there! I noticed you've been uploading multiple images. Please make sure to add the proper template and categories before uploading another. Cheers! Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 18:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Hi there! I'm responding to your question about video tutorial on image uploads. Wookieepedia unfortunately don't provide any, so the best way I can provide help is by directing to the image policy. You can familiarize yourself with what is required to upload an image. On Special:Upload there is a black textbox underneath with a template that you need to fill in. It may be intimidating at first, but it is needed to avoid multiple uploads of the same image or to locate a specific one. Cheers! Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 21:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Hi again! Per request, I just looked at the image you uploaded and you did it correctly. Well done! If you still have any questions in regards to editing and/or uploading, just let me know. Cheers! Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 19:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
    • As a piece of additional information, unused images might have a chance to be deleted to avoid clutter. So keep in mind when uploading to make sure the images are being used. Cheers! Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 01:20, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hamato Xiono

Hey! Just to let you know that Hamato Xiono is currently undergoing a featured article nomination, so if you think the page should be improved upon, it's generally better practice to leave objections on the nomination page so that the user who is nominating the page can make the necessary changes instead of doing so yourself. Your edit also introduced a number of formatting issues (though it appears to be a fault of the editor you're using) which the user then would have to clear up. Feel free to leave any suggestions on the nomination page, however! Thanks Lewisr (talk) 16:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Warning

Dialog-error

User warning: Three-Revert Rule.

You have come close to violating, or have already violated, the Three-Revert Rule.

If you continue to edit-war, an administrator will block you from editing.

Please reconsider your approach, and pay attention to the advice others provide.

TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not remove messages from talk pages or other discussion pages. All messages are part of the public record and must remain visible. Thanks! If you want to remove messages from your talk page, then you need to archive them instead. If you need help with archiving then do feel free to reach out and I can help you. Thank you Lewisr (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Removing information

Hi, Bespashin. Please do not remove sourced information without actually confirming its inaccuracy first. For example, that Mandalorian episode does establish that Ragnar was a foundling, which also why the episode was named "Chapter 20: The Foundling" in the first place. Thanks, TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Hello, thanks for the response. I recall Ragnar being established as a foundling in Season 3, but wasn’t aware he was adopted by Paz? I thought a foundling was simply someone who was adopted into the Mandalorian culture. It is entirely possible he was Paz’s biological son who was born outside of Mandalorian society, before being adopted into it later on in his life (by the time of Season 3). Again, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
    • Oh, hi there! About the Ragnar thing, foundlings are established to be non-Mando orphans who are adopted by Mandalorians, it's even said that they don't have "one drop of Mandalorian blood in [their] veins." So Ragnar being Paz's long-lost biological son just doesn't make sense. And about the Fifth Brother issue, it's really a matter of translating animated characters into live-action. Suggesting that his "Pale Limeish-Gray" skin tuned into "Greenish-Gray" in time, which are also relatively subjective descriptors imo, is not unlike saying that Dooku had a tall head during the Clone Wars, TIE fighters had smaller solar panels during the event of Rebels, or Ahsoka's lekku got shorter after Rebels. The current description of the skin and eye colors is based on the exact wording in Jedi: Battle Scars. Hope this makes sense, TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ghost Crew dynamic

Hey there, I'm not sure who you mean by a mod, but Editr isn't a mod, just another editor on the site like me and you. While I entirely understand the dynamic and relationship between Hera/Kanan and Ezra/the other members of the Ghost crew, they still don't fit the purpose of the field. Hera and Kanan aren't adoptive or biological parents to any of the crew, they may have been parent like figures, but they still aren't parents to Ezra, so we shouldn't list them in the field. I'll also remove Hera to follow suit Lewisr (talk) 16:00, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

  • All good. Yeah some of the fields have been incorrectly listing some things, I guess it's easy to see why certain things would be listed, but generally unless they are adopted or biological then we shouldn't be listing them. Thank you! Lewisr (talk) 16:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Penn Pershing

Hey there! Just so you're aware, Penn Pershing is currently being worked on by with an inuse tag, so really anyone other than the editors (User:Editoronthewiki and User:Master Fredcerique) should not be editing the page. If you have any sugestions for the page then you're welcome to leave them a message either on their talk pages or the talk page for Pershing's page where you can mention your ideas/thoughts. Thank you! Lewisr (talk) 17:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Image uploading

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  • My apologies, I recently made a proposal for Yularen’s infobox image, and just rushed the uploading process for the image. I’ll make sure to take much more care when uploading images in the future. Thanks for the heads up!

RE: Can images be re-uploaded?

Of course, I have undeleted the image: File:ColonelYularen.png TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

RE: Question

I didn't add any additional edit summary as it was the same exact reason as OOM's. Calling Din's long-dead biological parents the grandparents of Grogu, someone who has no biological or any other connection to them, doesn't really sound like "undeniable canonical information" unless that's how it's described in official media. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

  • Regardless of my opinion on the matter, if one of your edits keeps being reverted by multiple editors, starting a discussion about it on the article's talk page at least would be a more productive approach. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Bespashin let's please go to the talk pages and discuss things there rather than reverting to-and-fro. Edit wars go both ways. Another admin has edit-protected the articles for now so no one's editing them while everyone discuss. OOM 224 (he/him) 22:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Message removal

Hi, please be aware that removing talk page messages is against site policy. All public talk page messages are considered part of the site record and to remain visible. Thanks, Fan26 (Talk) 17:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Heya Bespashin, just to let you know that if you want to retract messages that you've posted, you could put them within <s> </s> markings to produce strikethrough-formatted text as our WP:TALK policy disallows simply removing messages. I'm sorry to hear that you've been having a rough time, but you are welcome to contact an admin or the admin team as a whole privately by messaging us on Discord (you can see our Discord tags in the admin boxes here: Wookieepedia:Administrators, or otherwise join our official server here: Wookieepedia:Discord) if you have any concerns whatsoever about other users' behaviour that has affected you. We'll treat concerns seriously and in confidence. OOM 224 (he/him) 18:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Section headers

Hiya! Just to let you know that unlike article prose, section headers (and image captions and quote attributions) are allowed to be in present tense, so "Searching for the map" is actually a valid heading here. Garven Dreis/Legends is a Featured article example of present tense being used in section headers, image captions, and quote attributions. OOM 224 (he/him) 14:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  • Ah okay, my apologies then. I assumed being a part of the biography meant it would have been treated as in-universe imformation. Thank you for correcting me! - Bespashin (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Blocked

Dialog-error You have been blocked from contributing for two weeks for continuing to add unsourced information despite multiple warnings. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox gallery

Hey there. I noticed you've been making a bunch of edits regarding the infobox gallery. I highly suggest you read up on the policy first before making more changes, to understand what is or isn't eligible for the gallery. Additionally, I suggest you hold up for a bit regarding gallery change as we are also putting the choice of image and its ratio into consideration to give the best possible quality. It's slow, yes, but it is a new feature after all. Happy editing and cheers! Bonzane10 Bonzane10-Sig 14:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image disputes - guidance

Hi, per this edit summary, please follow the guidance on the consensus policy page for setting up an image infobox vote if you'd like to continue contesting the Maul infobox image changes. The reason Wookieepedia has image infobox votes is primarily to avoid edit-warring; reverting over-and-over really doesn't solve anything and is unproductive; admins step in after the third reversion, which has happened here. In cases of contested changes; the image prior to the revert war beginning stays in place (it's not an indicator of what is right/or will win, it's just to keep the page stable); then it's only changed after the vote is complete to whichever side wins. This is done to prevent constant warring during an ongoing vote. But, yeah; at this point, it's been reverted enough times that if you continue to edit-war, after now being advised that it is edit-warring when this really should go to a vote, you may be blocked for a short time to prevent further unproductive edit-warring. This isn't an endorsement of which edit I think is right; frankly I don't really care either way, but it needs to go to a vote regardless.—spookywillowwtalk 03:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Baze

Hi there Besphashin, I wanted to let you know my thinking when reverting your Baze Malbus skin color edit. I do feel that tan is the most appropriate description here - typically, the skin we describe as "dark" is much darker than Baze's. What are your thoughts? Wok142 (talk) 18:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Hey there. I appreciate you discussing it, it makes it much more productive. I think the image in the infobox just has bad lighting. When you see [[1]] image of Lando Calrissian, you’d be able to make the same argument. In any other lighting, both characters have dark skin. When I see him in most other images like [[2]] one, his skin appears to be much darker.Bespashin (talk) 18:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)'
    • Regardless of the infobox image, I'm still of the opinion that Baze has lighter skin than someone like Lando since you brought him up. Baze's is more comparable to Fennec Shand or Rose Tico or Chirrut Îmwe (who are all also played by Asian actors), which are described as tan. Wok142 (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Dengar

It's not as easy to explain in an edit summary, but Dengar was not fighting for the New Republic nor was he really affiliated with them. And helping them doesn't make him affiliated with them, Hondo Ohnaka helped the Ghost crew/rebels on several points but he's not affiliated with them. Whereas the Bounty Hunter comics really make it clear that Dengar is actually working for Crimson Dawn. And sources like Star Wars Encyclopedia: The Comprehensive Guide to the Star Wars Galaxy confirm that Dengar works for Jabba Lewisr (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Wasn't that how he earned his pardon from them? Jas secured a deal where they’d assist them in the Battle of Jakku, and earn a pardon for their past actions. ~~ Bespashin (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Na Nawood

  • I think you misunderstood my edit summary on Jod. This article-StarWars.com Skeleton Crew Explained | Highlights from 105 "You Have a Lot to Learn About Pirates" on StarWars.com (backup link)-refers to Jod as just "Na Nawood". I'm not using it to say that Na Nawood is part of his name, I'm using it to say that referring to him as "Na Nawood", not "Nawood" is used in a source. I'm not aware of a source that uses just Nawood, but if you know one then it could be changed back. Otherwise, the page should stay be using Na Nawood. CometSmudge (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
    • The article says "it’s probably best to sleep with one eye open while Na Nawood is around." I don't see how this doesn't account for what you've said, since it clearly shows how to refer to him. I have referenced this article on the page, so unless you have another source that conflicts with this, you shouldn't be reverting properly sourced information. CometSmudge (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Again, you gotta re-read my point properly. The site refers to him as ‘Na Nawood,’ it doesn’t inherently mean ‘Na Nawood’ is his last name, it’s just a part of his name which is what the site is referring to him as (but we already knew his name) ~~ Bespashin (talk) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
      • If we have a source referring to him as "Na Nawood", and we don't have a source using just "Nawood", then we should follow what the source uses. It also wouldn't really make sense to refer to him using both his middle and last name. Even if for some reason we don't want to assume that, we know for certain that referring to him as "Na Nawood" is correct, and we don't know if just "Nawood" is correct. CometSmudge (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Edits

Hey, I think at this point it's going to be best if you stop getting yourself involved in edit wars, just looking at your contributions and most of the time it seems you're involved in reverting someone over a disagreement. It would better now if you start using talk pages, whether it be the page in question's talk page or the users, to resolve any disagreements you might have about information. In the case of Jod Na Nawood and his name for example, you've gone over the limit of the 3RR policy. We're all here to maintain the correct information, but continually edit warring will possibly end up with another ban, which you obviously don't want, so I really would recommend you consider this instead of just going to revert next time. Thanks! Lewisr (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Hey there. I understand what you’re saying, and I do apologise for anything that might have been wrong. The only thing I will say is that the majority of the time, my point is never proven otherwise, and the majority of the time, votes end up being completely useless. Take the fact about Din Djarin’s parents being Grogu’s adoptive grandparents. That’s a fair point, and is straight up his family works. It’s something that not many people have given thought to which makes it a great fact to learn about (something this wiki is pretty much for). But one person saying they didn’t want to include it because Grogu is ‘a little green alien,’ which has no bearing on the original point, and doesn’t contradict it in any way, but the results ended up being that we can’t include the phrase ‘Grogu’s adoptive grandparents’ on their pages, for whatever reason. Again, I understand that a lot of my edits do seem to be reversions of previous edits, but as a massive Star Wars fan, I love to make sure the franchise’s go-to wiki is as accurate as possible, and if someone is spreading misinformation, no matter how minor it is, I want to revert it to maintain accuracy instead of ‘biting the bullet’ because another user becomes petty over it. I notice a lot of your edits are reversions and disagreements of other people’s work. That’s not a jab at you, it’s your job to do so, and that’s the point I’m making is that to keep things accurate, you’re going to have to end up reverting vandalism. Hope you can understand where I’m coming from ~~ Bespashin (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I mean a disagreement about someone's name isn't spreading misinformation. There's a difference between spreading nonsense/adding false information and disagreeing about how a sw.com article is referring to someone. I'm just suggesting you stop getting involved in edit wars that drag on for days and instead go onto someone's talk page and actually discuss it because it's a more productive way of resolving matters. Regarding Din Djarin's parents, from what I see no one was suggesting the information is wrong, it's just that the parents had no relationship with Grogu so they felt it wasn't necessary to add it onto their pages Lewisr (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Warning

I have no opinion on whether to list Coruscant as Obi-Wan's homeworld or not, but edit-warring is counterproductive. If you wish to pursue this topic further, please take the issue to the Forum:Senate Hall/Forum:Consensus track. OOM 224 13:58, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Banned

Dialog-error You have been blocked from contributing for flagrantly ignoring canon and persistently edit-warring despite numerous warnings. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. OOM 224 14:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)