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Darth Sidious/Palpatine quoting

This may have been discussed before, and if so I'm sorry. When quoting him, when is it appropriate to use Darth Sidious and when Palpatine? Since it's used both ways throughout this wiki, I wondered what the standard was. Graal 22:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, for pre-19 BBY Sidious quotes, then of course "Darth Sidious" would be used. Same thing for Palpatine. But after 19 BBY, he was only known as Palpatine, so that would be the name of the speaker of the quote. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

False Name

I get that Palpy was really Darth Sidious, but was Palpatine a false name or the name he had before Sidious? Telos 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Why do Palpatine's eyes glow in Episode III, but not in ROTJ

Could it be in relation to the strength of the dark side. His eyes have a dim but present glow when Anakin defects to the dark side. The glow increases by the time Yoda attacks him in his chamber while Anakin is battling Kenobi, at this point the dark side has never been so powerful. The glow is so intense in the Senate chamber battle that his eyes look phosphoric. After Anakin/Darth Vader is badly wounded on Mustafaar, his eyes loose their intense glow. By Return of the Jedi, his eyes no longer have their glow at all, hmmm, if this theory is correct, perhaps it means that the dark side is growing weaker, due to the rise of Luke. As Palpatine puts it for Luke's abilities, "he has grown strong". Anyway, maybe his yellow eye glow is like a thermometer for how high or how low the dark side is.

Also I would like to say that I know that in the filming, it probably due to George Lucas' decision to make Palpatine "creepier" for Revenge of the Sith. But I am wondering if there is an answer to this question that is canon Star Wars. —Unsigned comment by 65.95.133.248 (talk • contribs)

  • Weird side affect of getting blasted in the face with Force lightning, perhaps? That's all I can think of.--Lord OblivionSith holocron30px 04:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Maybe they used different contact lenses for the makeup. That's my rational answer. My other answer is this: Palpatine got fed up with scaring everyone with his glowing eyes, so he had them surgically altered. That's my non-rational answer. Unit 8311 17:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm pretty sure Palpatine's eyes are glowing in RotJ. Maybe not in every single shot, but they are glowing. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
        • It's probably in relation to him USING the dark side, like how Storm of the X-Men uses her powers and her eyes turn completely white. But the most relevant answer for this being a talk page to a Wookieepedia article is that I don't think it has been mentioned in a canon source so there's no point speculating. Wildyoda 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, in this case, there's really no harm speculating, providing it doesn't get out of hand. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
            • What of a rational explanation like this one: special effects and make-up improvement? How many times it has been constated in the new movies; the difference between the Emperor's eyes in ROTS and ROTJ musn't be explained another way that the differences between Yoda's aspect or Vader's armour between ROTS and ANH... Or so I think. --LelalMekha 13:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

face???

  • I have the 1995 versions of Dark Empire and Dark Empire II. I saw the Empire's End comic at a store and saw that it had an episode II or III picture of palpatine on the cover. In Dark Empire I & II he does not look anything like that. Would he look like he did in ATOTC and ROTS when he transfered into those age bodys? I think so.

Thanks! Grand Admiral Nick Vos [Holonet] Republic Emblem

  • No. It was only the cover. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 22:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Tsuneo Sanda created a new and beautiful image for the Dark Empire II/Empire's End rerelease, showing a RotS-era Palpatine on the cover. Presumably this was intended to attract a wider audience, since the DE Palpatine doesn't look anything like McDiarmid in RotS. But yeah, it's only a cover, so isn't canon - unfortunately, as I'd've liked to see a RotS-style Palpatine clone in DE - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 13:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine Cloning

I've been reading on Palpatine alot lately and I have been wondering why didn't Palpatine make a clone of Anakin's/Vader's body? Because if you think of it Vader lost His legs and arms about 4/5 of his body and was still 8/10 power of Palpatine why didn't he clone Anakin and inhabit that body it would of been alot more powerful? Lord Titze 03:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Predated

  • If I had to take a stab at an answer, Titze, it's this: First, Palpatine didn't yet know how to transfer his essence into other bodies; he only learned that when Ashka Boda's holocron was brought to him during the purge of Jedi who escaped Order 66. Second, cloning's not as easy as it looks. Barring the use of Spaarti cylinders, which could get you a clone quickly but were just as likely to get you a psycho clone (and he had no ysalamiri then), the most reliable form of cloning, the Kaminoan method, took ten years to get you a clone about the age Anakin was when he got deep-fried, and that's only if you adjust the clone's growth rate, and that also means Palpatine would have grown old and died twice as fast. Having just got the throne, why speed up the time when you have to give it up? Also, remember that even if he just wanted an able apprentice, rather than just a body to transfer his essence into, it had to at least be a young adult aged body. Otherwise, as Empire's End made clear, he'd just be an infant or boy, and who would care for him until he was grown? Even if he found someone to care for him, how do you explain to the populace that the new Emperor, who was supposed to be in his sixties last night, is now a kid this morning? It's bad politics to paint yourself as the savior of the galaxy and then shock the crap out of everyone by suddenly becoming incapable of governing. Anyway, that's my take! Erik Pflueger 20px 03:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Basically what Erik said. If you were Palpatine and you suddenly entered Anakin's 19 BBY body, Palpatine's body would have had to die. This would have probably caused the same thing that happened after Endor—the Empire would split into warring factions. So, the only way to keep control would be to enter his own bodies. As for Anakin Solo, since he was a baby at the time, maybe Palpatine would be able to morph him to look like himself. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer Lord Titze 23:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Predated

Where

Where is palpatine identified as Sidious in TPM?--Herbsewell 23:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

    • No where he doesnt come out as Sidious until ROTS. HappyTimeHarry 23:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Actually isn't it LoE?--Herbsewell 23:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Got a quote? HappyTimeHarry 23:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Sidious isn't revealed to be Palpatine in LoE, just hinted at. -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
            • So it should be RotS right? HappyTimeHarry 23:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
              • Nute Gunray himself - - was the same individual who had repeatedly betrayed him, and to whom Gunray and the other Separatists were now forced to look for salvation. The Sith Lord, Darth Sidious.--Herbsewell 23:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                • That doesnt say anything about Sidious being Palpatine though. HappyTimeHarry 23:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                  • Ahh, I hadn't thought of that. But why does the article say he was first identified as Sidious in TPM?--Herbsewell 23:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                    • who changed it? HappyTimeHarry 23:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                      • It's because that's when the name Darth Sidious was first mentioned. -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                        • When?--Herbsewell 23:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                          • Nute Gunray refers to him as Lord Sidious during the scene where him and Rune Haako communicate with Sidious via hologram from the Trade Federation ship bridge. -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                            • Can you give me a quote?--Herbsewell 23:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                              • Yeah but thats not really identifying him as palpatine. HappyTimeHarry 23:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                                • This has been discussed before. Regardless of when one first realizes that Palpatine was Sidious, Sidious first appeared in Episode I, making that Palpatine's 1stID as Sidious. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
                                    • No that was when the named was mentioned. We never knew that palpatine was sidious.
  • But he wasn't.--Herbsewell 00:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Now now wacky jacky we can all read. the name is HappyTimeHarry. Ugluk was a very bad little Uruk Hai! HappyTimeHarry 00:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
      • We could always change it so that it says the name Darth Sidious was first mentioned in TPM and that the connection between Sidious and Palpatine was made in RoTS. -- I need a name (Complain here) 00:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
        • I did, but then it was reverted by Jack.--Herbsewell 00:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
And by making a connection do you mean identification?

I need a name is correct (even though nine in ten viewers would have figured it out by the time the Ep. 1 credits rolled.) Now let's all go for delicious chocolate milkshakes. —Silly Dan (talk) 00:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah I see--Herbsewell 00:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
They were never identified as being the same. The name Sidious (as I recall) was never mentioned in the film. If I am incorrect please correct me.--Herbsewell 00:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • There was something along the lines of "Lord Sidious, this blockade of yours has failed". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Why dont you both get in the IRC and end it faster? HappyTimeHarry 00:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I'll end it now: Yes, Palpatine was not identified as Sidious in Episode I. But they were shown to be the same, which is why Episode I could be consider Palpatine's 1stID as Sidious. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
        • How was he shown to be that same?--Herbsewell 00:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Jack can you please come to the IRC chat.

Speculation on the name "Sidious"

The name "Sidious" could have come from the word "insidious". The definitions are as follows: 

                    1. Working or spreading in a hidden and usually injurious way;
                    2. Beguiling but harmful; alluring;
                    3. Intended to entrap; treacherous

As you all can tell all of these definitions have lots to do with Darth Sidious/Palpatine.

ROTJ not his firth death

He says to Luke in Dark Empire that the second death star was not the first time he had died. Should this be addressed? Micah Giett 19:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Sidious first revealed as Palpatine in Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Trilogy

I just realized, while looking at this book, that one of the captions actually identifies Sidious as Palpatine, making this the first time Sidious is explicitly revealed as Palpatine.--Lord OblivionSith holocron30px 15:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)