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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 14:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Unidentified swamp planet (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)

The planet was first identified as Dagobah in the "Design An Alien" contest article of Star Wars Galaxy Magazine 9. Leland Chee stated that the Design An Alien content was canon to EU unless contradicted by another source. On Wookieepedia, this planet was labeled as unidentified because a quote by George Lucas stating that Revenge of the Sith was the first time Yoda visited Dagobah contradicted the article's story. This fact was reversed when Yoda visited Dagobah before the events of the film in Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 6 Episode 11 "Voices". Since the original reason for keeping the planet unidentified was nullified and the Clone Wars episode doesn't explicitly state Yoda's trip to Dagobah was his first time, I think this page should be deleted an all associated pages should be updated to reflect this planet as Dagobah.

Delete

  1. Logan.Likes.Legends (talk) 04:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 10:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Since Galaxy Magazine explicitly says this is Dagobah. Rsand 30 (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Janomoogo (talk) 17:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Artemaeus-Creed (talk) 22:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep

  1. I honestly don't think that would be our call to make when we were explicitly told that Dagobah being the planet where Yoda was trained is not part of continuity, even though The Clone Wars introduced more inconsistencies later. We also still have sources like The Legendary Yoda and Fact File that refer to the planet only as an "obscure swamp planet" while Dagobah is mentioned by name on the same page. And even if we decided to consider Chee's statement as nullified, that would still not mean that this swamp planet is Dagobah since the "Design An Alien" entry on N'Kata Del Gormo is treated as an in-universe legend within the Legends continuity. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Legendary Yoda and Fact File released before "Voices" so both are going off the fact that the Design An Alien entry that included this planet was contradicted by George's statements.Logan.Likes.Legends (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. ^ —spookywillowwtalk 22:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per Anil. Worth mentioning the discrepancies in the BtS section. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird black belt in card-jitsu 01:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. ^^^ - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 05:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. It's a messy situation for sure, but I tend to agree that one instance of the canon contradicting the Lucas/Chee comments does not override several sources explicitly establishing these worlds as separate entities. Imperators II(Talk) 07:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
  6. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 10:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
  7. Supreme Emperor Holocomm 00:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  8. Fan26 (Talk) 00:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  9. —SnowedLightning (they/she) 00:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  10. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  11. Tommy-Macaroni (he/they) 07:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
  12. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 02:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  13. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 14:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments

  • In the Clone Wars episode, Qui-Gon says "Come to Dagobah". Yoda doesn't say "how do I get there" or "where's Dagobah" or "whats Dagobah", he just says "Why". Seems like Yoda is familiar with the planet and travels there without any assistance.Logan.Likes.Legends (talk) 04:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I don't really see why Yoda not asking "Where's Dagobah?" would mean he has been there before. He could have simply used a star map to go there, as Luke Skywalker did in Episode V. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)