Hello all once again. In my quest to update Yarael Poof, I noticed that he appears in Jedi Academy: At Last, Jedi. As I was about to add the info from this book to his page, I noticed that it was labeled Legends. I was then about to simply leave it at that, but then I noticed it released in 2020. Not only that, but the page's Appearances section links almost entirely to Canon pages, and there are several things in the book that were introduced in Canon (including, notably, Loth-wolves and Jedha).
So naturally, I consulted Discord, where the conclusion was essentially a metaphorical shrug. I then checked the page for the series itself, which states that it is treated as Legends non-canon, but still borrows a significant number of elements from Canon. This is cited to an interview, and is evidently based on official information.
However, even after I mentioned this, the ideas on the matter in Discord still remained rather... inconclusive. If this is the case, it's rather odd that the page for that entry links to so many canon pages, rather than new Legends versions of the subjects in question. In fact, this is the case for all three of the newer entries—both Revenge of the Sis and Attack of the Furball have their links formatted to Canon as well, despite the interview.
Further digging has shown me that entries prior to Revenge of the Sis deliberately avoided including elements from the Disney era of Star Wars. So while the earlier entries are certainly safely Legends, where does this leave the newer entries? They're still evidently in continuity with their predecessors (plot elements and characters seem to carry over from the older books to the new ones), but they also have a significantly high amount of Canon content. At the same time, Legends content is also still present.
Like Rsand 30 mentioned on Discord, these books are covered to such a small extent we don't really have much precedent for them. We do, however, have a status article from them, which is treated as Legends non-canon: Voorpee. That being said, Voorpee also exclusively appears in the books that deliberately left out new canon content (and may also predate the continuity reset anyways, from what I can tell).
How are we meant to treat content from these books? The articles for them themselves seem to contradict the interview, but also themselves as they're labeled Legends non-canon. It's an utterly confusing dilemma and I want to get the input of everyone else. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 00:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Discuss
- Another bizarre thing from these books is The Sleeper, which was first introduced in the canon book Dark Disciple, however its only visual depiction is in Jedi Academy, so this information is currently covered in its bts. Right now, it doesn't really work to make the series non-canonical within Legends or Canon, since there are things from both in a non-canon context. Rsand 30 (talk) 00:36, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe we treat it as legends non-canon and that stuff explicitly from canon is treated as non-canon canon? Manoof (he/him/his)
03:10, 17 December 2022 (UTC) - Thannus, if you'd waited for more than half an hour before posting this, I'd have pointed to you to the Discord conversation that was previously had regarding this book series. :P To summarize, the best course of action for it would be to treat the series as a sort of a separate continuity of its own - it's clearly neither exclusively Legends nor Canon, but it also doesn't do justice to just chop it up into two parts, Legends one and Canon one, since the books are clearly in continuity with each other, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 10:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm in agreeance with how the series' continuity seems to lie. My inquiry is not primarily about that, however, and moreso how articles originating from it should be treated, as well as how appearances of outside material should be handled from them. I highly doubt we're gonna want to make a Yarael Poof/Jedi Academy article. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 18:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Non-canonical Legends that sometimes incorporates Canon stuff. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think maybe for articles that are exclusivly Jedi: Academy, we could have a template called "JediAcademyCanon" that says something to the effect of "This article is from the Jedi: Academy series. The Jedi: Academy series is non-canon and contains elements of both the Canon and Legends continuities." For existing articles, I think we should treat books prior to revenge of the sis as non-canon legends for appearances and listing stuff in the bts, and everything after as canon. For example, Poof's role in Academy would be discussed in the bts of his canon page. ThrawnChiss7 (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- I like this idea, though I do think that characters like Yoda, who appear throughout the series, the story info should all be listed in the bts for his Legends page. I think that would be better than splitting it, since his appearances within the Jedi Academy storyline is a continuing story. Rsand 30 (talk) 00:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yea that makes sense for characters that appear throughout the series, but if information is added, it should also definitely should be noted in the bts of the weirdness of Jedi: Academy. -ThrawnChiss7 (talk)
- This also should be stated as clearly as possible on whatever policy specifies content canonicity. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 08:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps a CT could be created proposing an additional bullut titled "Jedi: Academy" under the "What about?" section in the Canon policy ThrawnChiss7 (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- This also should be stated as clearly as possible on whatever policy specifies content canonicity. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 08:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yea that makes sense for characters that appear throughout the series, but if information is added, it should also definitely should be noted in the bts of the weirdness of Jedi: Academy. -ThrawnChiss7 (talk)
- I like this idea, though I do think that characters like Yoda, who appear throughout the series, the story info should all be listed in the bts for his Legends page. I think that would be better than splitting it, since his appearances within the Jedi Academy storyline is a continuing story. Rsand 30 (talk) 00:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Given the uniqueness of the Jedi Academy continuity in itself (and in relation to it's exclusive content), and also it's relation to Legends and/or Canon depending on each books, would it not be worth it to make a third Canon sub-policy to cover the specific of each books (like FFG) and also cover the current blind spot raised by Thannus? Along with the proposed header template above, we would have both a way to identify the content and uniqueness right at the start of the article (and also in specifics sections of the BTS?) in a few short word, and with a link to the global policy that would cover in details why and how Wookieepedia handle the series? You could also add an auto categorization tag to the template, by the way. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 16:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not there would be enough for its own seperate page; the proposed policy isn't that confusing. (From what I understand, it would say something like "the Star Wars: Jedi Academy series contains elements from both the Legends continuity and the new canon. Per Consensus Track vote, Wookieepedia treats all Jedi Academy content released prior to Jedi Academy: Revenge of the Sis as non-canon to the Legends continuity, and all content released from Revenge of the Sis onward as non-canon to the canon continuity. However, subjects that appear in Jedi Academy media prior to Revenge of the Sis and in content from Revenge of the Sis onward are treated as non-canon to the Legends continuity." I think in would be better in the "What about?" section. -ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 16:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not there would be enough for its own seperate page; the proposed policy isn't that confusing. (From what I understand, it would say something like "the Star Wars: Jedi Academy series contains elements from both the Legends continuity and the new canon. Per Consensus Track vote, Wookieepedia treats all Jedi Academy content released prior to Jedi Academy: Revenge of the Sis as non-canon to the Legends continuity, and all content released from Revenge of the Sis onward as non-canon to the canon continuity. However, subjects that appear in Jedi Academy media prior to Revenge of the Sis and in content from Revenge of the Sis onward are treated as non-canon to the Legends continuity." I think in would be better in the "What about?" section. -ThrawnChiss7
