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The result of the debate was support all. OOM 224 15:09, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

So, this started out as a fairly simple "let's add an Installments section" and has... uh... expanded quite a bit over the last 2 hours. May I present the squeakquel to Forum:CT:Overhauling the Real-World Media Layout Guide; basically just a bunch of minor points/cleanup that weren't codified in the prior one. For book series and other non-comic, non-television groupings, we don't have a dedicated section for the parts; thus, someone in the Discord suggested "Installments", and then we've ended up writing down all the various suggestions people have had over the last few months. (I am very tired and am going to bed after this). Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Vote #1: Rename "Published Narrative Works" to "Published Works"

Self-explanatory; a lot of our media articles are non-narrative in nature, and the section structure was designed to apply to all media anyways.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 10:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Imperators II(Talk) 15:55, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  9. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #2: Issues header for magazine series

Adding a dedicated "Issues" bullet point for magazine series, after the comic series Issues bullet point of the Media sublist:

  • Article on magazine series articles should include an Issues section to document the titles, release dates, and covers of the individual issues in a gallery tag, with the title and release date used as the caption for each issue's cover, as illustrated here.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 17:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Imperators II(Talk) 14:38, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  9. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #3: Installments header for Multimedia

Adding a dedicated "Installments" bullet point for multimedia projects after the television season point of the Media sublist. The Prettytable format works very well on THR and is the best fit for multi-format media.

  • Articles on multimedia projects should include an Installments section that uses {{Prettytable}} to document the titles, release dates, and formats of the individual works within the project, as illustrated here.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:08, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 15:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #4: Installments header

And here's a bullet point for the other series types.

  • Articles on book series, video game series, multimedia projects, and other series of interconnected works should include an Installments section to document information such as the release dates and authors of the individual works. If the works have individual covers, this information may be presented using a gallery tag to display the covers captioned by the individual works' information, though the captions must be properly referenced, as illustrated here.

Support

  1. I will finish the referencing of FOTJ tomorrow. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 17:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. I kinda wish there was a "better" word than installments but I can't think of one. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #5: Development tweak

For the Development point, changing "If a surplus of information exists, this section can be further subdivided into Conception and Production sections" to "If a surplus of information exists, this section can be further divided into subsections, such as 'Conception' and 'Production.'".

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:57, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 15:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #6: You're Welcome Dani

Adding the following sub-point to the Appearances section's first bullet point, after the future-exception clause; basically allows for the usage of {{App}} on those rare TPBs with unique content.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. Heck yeah NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 10:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Imperators II(Talk) 15:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  9. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #7: OOU Appearances

Adding the following text to the end of the Appearances section, as currently the usage of {{OOUappearances}} is unsupported by policy. I know the scope of the template is... up for debate, but I'm comfortable with its use on works that are explicitly OOU-focused.

  • For real-world reference works such as Star Wars Year by Year: A Visual Chronicle and The Art of Solo: A Star Wars Story that discuss the real-world history or of Star Wars media or otherwise focus primarily on behind-the-scenes information, the Appearances section may use {{OOUappearances}} in an Out-of-universe appearances subheader to document the real-world people, organizations, locations, and media that are mentioned in the work. If this subsection is present, the {{App}} template should be prefaced by an In-universe appearances subheader.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. Right now, every current OOUappearances on a page is subject to immediate removal; it's simply not permitted by the OOU LG. I also don't think this clause at all necessarily means that scope can't be expanded in the future; we do that all the time (infobox galleries have regularly received expansion of scope). But, if this fails to pass, that means we'd be immediately stripping OOUappearances from even OOU reference works, due to well, this failing. I don't believe this loss of information does Wookieepedia any benefit and think further expansions of this clause are best taken to SH, hashed out, and given their own CT. This as a measure to simply save most of them, rather than auto-nuke all of them, seems pretty reasonable. I too support the scope being expanded to one such as Dani mentions, but don't believe voting for this is mutually exclusive since the end effect is simply saving the content on some of these on the page, so rather than having to re-add it later down the road by pulling it from the edit-history, it remains visible to readers in the meanwhile.—spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Voting support so that OOUappearances is allowed at all, but otherwise per Dani. Imperators II(Talk) 15:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  8. Per Imp. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. Agree with Dani Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Agree that the scope can definitely be increased in a second vote, but best to atleast allow it on OOU stuff first. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. This scope is too narrow imo. It should just be reference material in general. Inquisitor Countdown, Path of Resistance, and the Lightsaber collections all discuss IU and OOU freely, but don't meet this definition. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 10:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Vote #8: Editions formatting

Changing the Editions bullet point to the following:

  • Articles on novels, reference books and other media with ISBN numbers should list the various editions of the work in a subsection entitled Editions, as a bulleted list ordered by release date. Each edition should list their ISBN, release date, publisher, format and country in the following format: {{ISBN|9780593157718}}; [[January 5]], [[2021]]; [[Del Rey]]; US hardcover

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 15:09, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #9: Mediacat

So, with Spooky and I's tweaking of the Mediacat template, it's no longer necessary to lock it to the Sources section only, and the from=1 parameter can be codified. This amended text will be removed from the Sources section and moved to its own subsection of Article Indexing, above Appearances:

In the instance two or more images, sound files, or animations on Wookieepedia originate from or were created by the article's subject, corresponding categories must be created. These must be linked to via the {{Mediacat}} template, which should be placed at the top of a given section, immediately below the section header. For articles on real-world media, the from=1 parameter must be used. The {{Mediacat}} template should be placed in the first section out of the following that exists on the given article: "Media," "Appearances," "Sources", "Notes and references," and finally "External links."

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 16:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Imperators II(Talk) 15:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  9. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:47, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #10: Concept art linkage

Something else that's been tossed around lately has been the linkage of concept art categories, as opposed to us uploading concept art wholesale from art books and the lot. This vote is for the creation of a new template like Mediacat that will be placed after the Mediacat, and the following text:

  • For articles on media and real-world attractions that have art books dedicated to that media, the image category for the art book may also be linked to via the {{Conceptcat}} template, which should be placed below the {{Mediacat}} template. Additionally, video games, films, and television series that have significant concept art and a dedicated subcategory of Category:Concept art images may link to that category with the {{Conceptcat}} template.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 15:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #11: Comic cover gallery ordering

Replacing the Cover Gallery bullet point from the Media section with the following:

  • Articles on individual works that have had multiple covers released should include a Cover gallery subsection with all available covers, including the infobox image and any unlettered or pre-release versions, in a gallery with appropriate captions. Cover images should be ordered in order of release, with the main cover first, and unlettered versions listed immediately after the lettered version, while preliminary or working title covers should be listed last. Additionally, the artist responsible for the cover should be listed in the caption for each cover if one exists.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 17:03, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. Imperators II(Talk) 15:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  9. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Vote #12: The Last Thing (I Promise)

Additionally, this means adjusting Wookieepedia:Sourcing#Exceptions's bullet point on image captions to the following, and while we're in there, we should make {{OpeningCrawl}} self-citable.

  • Image captions: Image captions should not contain references, with the exception of image captions in the {{Gallery}} template, as mandated by the Layout Guide, or the image captions in Issues and Installments galleries on real-world media pages per the Out-of-universe Layout Guide.
  • Opening crawls: The content of the {{OpeningCrawl}} template used in articles on Star Wars media does not need to be referenced after the release of said media.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 04:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  2. —spookywillowwtalk 11:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 11:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  4. Rakhsh (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  5. Yasen Nestorov (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
  6. Imperators II(Talk) 15:54, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  7. CometSmudge (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
  8. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 22:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  9. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 15:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  10. Lewisr (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  11. ThePedantry (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  12. Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. 41 51 User 41 51 (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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