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The result of the debate was No consensus. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello there! I'm putting this small matter to a direct vote rather than going through an initial SH, as it quite a simple and limited issue.

Recently I noticed that we have pages for 2028, 2029 and 2030 with only anniversaries as content. Now, I'm of the opinion that anniversaries should only be listed if notables, and by notables I mean actively celebrated by Lucasfilm (or it's partners, like Hasbro releasing new figs), like this year 25th anniversary of The Phantom Menace (with a logo, a theater re-released, numerous starwars.com articles, etc). Meaning that there is actual documentation supporting them, and we're not assuming anything. This also aim to undercut any possibility of an user going overboard with years articles.

This was previously raised with Forum:TC:2030 not too long ago, but a TC was a bit of an overkill, and not focusing on the issue that made such a page exist in the first place. The solution I'm proposing will allow the pages aforementioned to be deleted quickly and remade without much issues when the need really arise. Having raised the issue to Discord previously, I know that my opinion on the topic is far from being universal, but let's see how this goes. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 08:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal

In Wookieepedia:Notability policy, under section "Real-world articles", add:

===Years and anniversaries===

Articles for future years may only be created if at least a date (or a period) for an event or the release of a future product is known within a specific year. Anniversaries may only be acknowledged on articles if they are actively celebrated by Lucasfilm and/or its partners.

Support

  1. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 08:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 14:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. We can't keep making new ones with no actual information though. We should to draw a line somewhere. OOM 224 (he/him/they) 10:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. 01miki10 Open comlink 11:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  6. Something something slippery slope. Xd1358 (Talk) 19:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  7. Planned future events are good, anniversaries are covered under the year of the event itself. Yeah there shouldn't be pages for these. False Dmitri (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  8. Artemaeus-Creed (talk) 19:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. While the articles for as-of-yet to occur years are certainly overkill, the general idea behind them sticking around up to this point is that we can say with almost certainty that those articles will exist at some point. This doesn’t mean that we should be making articles for unconfirmed points in time all willy-nilly, but their existence is ultimately harmless. Simply put, implementing this policy would be a bit excessive for a minor issue that will eventually be a non-issue, to the point that it was more or less agreed in the past they aren’t even worth deleting. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Because I'm apparently allergic to putting things succinctly, let me rephrase: This seems like instruction/policy creep for what ultimately amounts to a non-issue. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 08:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. TCing these is a waste of time, and so is CSDing them. Imperators II(Talk) 08:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird black belt in card-jitsu 13:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 13:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  6. Per Imp. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 16:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  7. eh Fan26 (Talk) 19:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

  • My next big collab project as to do with real-world dates, and will be first brought to an SH in Fall/Winter 2024 to be sure we're all on the same page before really launching in early 2025, and this vote can be seen as a way to tie loose ends before the main course ^^. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 08:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Might I suggest a compromise: leave the existing articles as they are (akin to a grandfather clause) and stop the creation of new ones unless, as Nano said, we have confirmed events happening in them, to prevent page-spamming? OOM 224 (he/him/they) 09:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
    • These pages have honestly not even been spammed, so to speak—there are so very few of these and they aren't created very frequently at all for a policy like this to apply. It would genuinely be applied so sparingly that it's pretty much just instruction creep. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 09:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)