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Theraguin
- Nominated by: Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:14, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: A very brave officer.
(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:09, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
Cavalier One
(Squadron channel) 18:08, October 15, 2012 (UTC)- Couldn't find anything. MasterFred
(Whatever) 15:49, October 16, 2012 (UTC) 
IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 23:29, December 1, 2012 (UTC)- NaruHina Talk 04:48, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:17, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Object
Hanzo
This might be a sofixit, but source that last P & T sentence.Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:30, October 10, 2012 (UTC)- Done. Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:44, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
Fred strikes
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but isn't it customary to put abbreviations (ie CSF) in parentheses directly after the first mention of the full name? For example, in the intro: "Theraguin served with the Coruscant Security Force (CSF) and had attained the rank of captain." This lets the reader know that from that point on "CSF" refers to "Coruscant Security Force." MasterFred(Whatever) 15:12, October 12, 2012 (UTC)- Good point. Coruscantfan (Talk) 19:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I'll finish the review when I get the chance. MasterFred(Whatever) 23:46, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
One small thing
In the Bts say that the mission Theraguin appears in is Republic side.Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 08:14, November 9, 2012 (UTC)- It already says that. Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:30, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Whoops. Missed it. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 03:17, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
- It already says that. Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:30, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
A second small thing
Did the player's actions cause the Black Sun to think of the exploding crates? If not, the 100% completion tag needs to be moved down to when the PC shows up. NaruHina Talk 
04:41, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Changed. Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:47, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
One more thing
I just played through this quest again recently and there is an option at the end of the quest that allows the player to refuse a reward that Theraguin offers. This gives the player light side points and causes him to say something along the lines of "its rare to find someone not out to make a profit". Just thought that you could mention this in the body of the article somewhere and also in the BTS.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 18:51, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Coruscantfan (Talk) 19:27, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Toprawa
Before I begin reviewing, these TOR date reference notes are getting kind of ridiculous. Is there really no way to shorten and condense reference 3? The idea should be to try and make everything as simplistic as we can for our readers to understand, and I can barely follow the logic here myself, as convoluted as it is.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:20, December 15, 2012 (UTC)- Here's a revised and simplified version: "Using comments from The Old Republic—The Lost Suns 2, The Last Battle of Colonel Jace Malcom, The Old Republic: Annihilation, we are able to place the events of the Prologue and Act I for the Jedi Knight, Smuggler, and Trooper classes in 3643 BBY, the general events of Act II in 3642 BBY, and the events of Act III for all classes in 3641 BBY." How's that?
- Works for me. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:31, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I just added the reference from the Winborn article, which should cover that. Coruscantfan (Talk) 18:41, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Changed to above suggestion. Coruscantfan (Talk) 18:45, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I just added the reference from the Winborn article, which should cover that. Coruscantfan (Talk) 18:41, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Works for me. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:31, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Here's a revised and simplified version: "Using comments from The Old Republic—The Lost Suns 2, The Last Battle of Colonel Jace Malcom, The Old Republic: Annihilation, we are able to place the events of the Prologue and Act I for the Jedi Knight, Smuggler, and Trooper classes in 3643 BBY, the general events of Act II in 3642 BBY, and the events of Act III for all classes in 3641 BBY." How's that?
This smells like author speculation. Does the game make this claim? "Theraguin was one of the few, if not the only, cop..."- Yes: Theraguin states that all the patrols had stopped and he claims that he is the "last officer on the job" in the Black Sun sector. However, there is a CSF barricade with 4-5 NPC officers fighting Black Sun thugs that when you select them it will say "Coruscant Security Officer, Black Sun Territory". There is also Officer Stansun conducting an investigation, and Lieutenant Doorn from who we find out is in charge of a squad assigned to the sector though they don't actually patrol the sector (confirming Theraguin's statements). It isn't clarified if the squad is the same NPC officers who are manning the barricade that Doorn is observing from the platform above, but that's besides the point. Now, all of these officers (Stansun, Doorn, the NPC officers) are not actually "inside" the Black Sun controlled area of the sector, they're on the border. But the area is identified as Black Sun Territory by the game so he's obviously not the last officer, but there are very few and both Doorn and Theraguin confirm that officially the CSF has given up this area and pulled its resources from it. And that's why I added "if not the only," it leaves it open for the reader to make their own judgements. And Theraguin's viewpoints don't really conflict with the game's storyline: In Doorn's conversation, he basically says the same thing as Theraguin, that's he's been left alone with his squad to defend the sector. This feeling of "I'm alone, maybe, I think" is a recurring theme with the CSF cops assigned to that area as well as other sectors and is also talked about in the CSF codex. Sorry for such a long answer, but I hope that satisfies your objection. :)
- Very well. Thanks for explaining. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes: Theraguin states that all the patrols had stopped and he claims that he is the "last officer on the job" in the Black Sun sector. However, there is a CSF barricade with 4-5 NPC officers fighting Black Sun thugs that when you select them it will say "Coruscant Security Officer, Black Sun Territory". There is also Officer Stansun conducting an investigation, and Lieutenant Doorn from who we find out is in charge of a squad assigned to the sector though they don't actually patrol the sector (confirming Theraguin's statements). It isn't clarified if the squad is the same NPC officers who are manning the barricade that Doorn is observing from the platform above, but that's besides the point. Now, all of these officers (Stansun, Doorn, the NPC officers) are not actually "inside" the Black Sun controlled area of the sector, they're on the border. But the area is identified as Black Sun Territory by the game so he's obviously not the last officer, but there are very few and both Doorn and Theraguin confirm that officially the CSF has given up this area and pulled its resources from it. And that's why I added "if not the only," it leaves it open for the reader to make their own judgements. And Theraguin's viewpoints don't really conflict with the game's storyline: In Doorn's conversation, he basically says the same thing as Theraguin, that's he's been left alone with his squad to defend the sector. This feeling of "I'm alone, maybe, I think" is a recurring theme with the CSF cops assigned to that area as well as other sectors and is also talked about in the CSF codex. Sorry for such a long answer, but I hope that satisfies your objection. :)
There is no article to link to for the "Republic individual" in the game mechanics section?- No, because the "mission" can be played by 4 different Republic classes, not just one, so we've just left that as unlinked in our other TOR articles. Its different if a mission is class specific like Nidaljo, vs Winborn.
- Gotcha. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
- No, because the "mission" can be played by 4 different Republic classes, not just one, so we've just left that as unlinked in our other TOR articles. Its different if a mission is class specific like Nidaljo, vs Winborn.
No article for his superior? If not, I think we should make one.- Whoops, my fault, I thought I had linked him earlier in the article. Fixed.
- Good job overall. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:40, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:53, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Just out of curiosity, if the player doesn't help Theraguin, would he most likely die trying to defuse the bombs? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:09, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Officially we don't know one way or the other. During the conversation he says he didn't try to diffuse another one because he was almost killed by Black Sun. However, knowing his personality and traits, I would like to think that one day he wouldn't be able to stay away anymore and try to diffuse another bomb and prevent more victims. In the process Black Sun thugs shoot and kill him but not before he takes several with him. In retribution, this prompts CSF to invade in force and kill all the Black Sun thugs. ;) Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:17, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh alright, so he was at least aware of the risks. I always like to believe all those good characters in video games do canonically get aided by the player's characters, regardless of player's actions. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:23, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Yep. Coruscantfan (Talk) 12:40, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I didn't think this needed an object, but is calling the police officers "cops" okay. Call me a nitpicker if you will, but it just seems a bit unofficial for the wiki. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 08:14, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Its been done before, and cops is a cannon established name for police officers. Coruscantfan (Talk) 04:32, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I didn't think this needed an object, but is calling the police officers "cops" okay. Call me a nitpicker if you will, but it just seems a bit unofficial for the wiki. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 08:14, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Yep. Coruscantfan (Talk) 12:40, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh alright, so he was at least aware of the risks. I always like to believe all those good characters in video games do canonically get aided by the player's characters, regardless of player's actions. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:23, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Officially we don't know one way or the other. During the conversation he says he didn't try to diffuse another one because he was almost killed by Black Sun. However, knowing his personality and traits, I would like to think that one day he wouldn't be able to stay away anymore and try to diffuse another bomb and prevent more victims. In the process Black Sun thugs shoot and kill him but not before he takes several with him. In retribution, this prompts CSF to invade in force and kill all the Black Sun thugs. ;) Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:17, October 10, 2012 (UTC)