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Sakhet's Noodles

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Support

  1. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  2. Looks great! Jedi Order ImpacticForce (Talk) 03:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  3. Great work on your first GAN! Erebus Chronus (talk) 03:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 18:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  5. ACvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 18:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Object

Erebus
  • History paragraph is a huge wall of information. Please split it into two paragraphs. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 20:49, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Please remove "canon" from the BTS as there's no Legends counterpart to it. And please add the novel's release date. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 20:58, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
    • Done. However, I wasn’t sure if I should put march 3 or march 3rd. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 21:05, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • Move the date to before "novel" and remove "March 3rd". CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 21:11, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • In the Twitter reference note, there's no need to capitalize Heir to the Jedi. Also, please link and italicize it like I just did here. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 21:22, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
    • Even though that’s how it was spelled in the original tweet? I can still link and italicize is though. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 21:25, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • This is my mistake, but I forgot that you don't link in tweets, so just remove the link, my apologies. However, the tweet itself doesn't explain how it takes place in 0 ABY, so you'll need to explain using the tweet how it does. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 21:41, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
        • I explained it, although it is a pretty lengthy answer. Do you see a grammatically correct way to shorten it? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 22:15, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
          • Sorry to interject, but including Kevin's tweet seems unnecessary since Luke himself says in HTTJ that he hasn't heard from Obi-Wan since Yavin --Lewisr (talk) 04:07, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
            • Makes sense. I only used it because it was used to reference the timeline on Heir to the Jedi. Should I create a second reference nonetheless? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 17:19, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
              • You should take out Kevin Hearne's tweet in the reference and say something along the lines of "In Heir to the Jedi, Luke Skywalker states that he has not heard from Obi-Wan Kenobi since the Battle of Yavin. As Skywalker hears from Kenobi in Star Wars 1, Heir to the Jedi must take place before Star Wars 1." CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 18:25, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
                • I hope you don’t mind it’s pretty much word for word from what you suggested. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 18:42, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
                • Any other thoughts? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
                    • That's fine. But it still doesn't explain how it's in 0 ABY. You removed the necessary information that explained how Star Wars 1 was set in 0 ABY between Episode IV and Darth Vader 4 per the Atlas, and then HTTJ being between. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 23:54, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
OOM
  • Since the subject has only appeared once, "first appeared" should be changed to "appeared."
    • Done.
  • There are three redirect links in the article. To find redirects, they could be made to display in orange instead of the standard blue in "Gadgets" in "My preferences," which could be accessed in the dropdown by your profile picture on the top-right corner.
  • A subject matter should not be linked to in the quote templates if a link for it already exists in the article body.
    • Done.JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 00:02, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
      • Please check again. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 03:50, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
        • I can’t believe I forgot about one of my favorites, admiral ackbar. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 04:50, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
          • I meant that per the Layout Guide, "Do not use links within a quote, unless it is the only mention in the article of a certain subject," the links in the quote template should be removed since the subjects are already linked to in the article body. Please add the links in the article body back, and remove links from the quote templates. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 05:26, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
            • I think I get it now, but I’ve already said done a couple times incorrectly, so I’ll just see if you cross it out or not. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 17:23, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
  • References should be placed after punctuation marks, with the exception of dashes.
    • Done.
  • Could a relevent image be added to the article? - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 20:52, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • The intro says it was a noodle vendor, yet this information and the accompanying links do not appear in the article body. Same for the Rebel Alliance Intelligence Service.
    • I added noodle vendor, although I don’t think rebel alliance intelligence service was ever the right link to use. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 18:28, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
  • Similarly, Kupohan Spynet is infobox-exclusive information. Everything mentioned in the intro and the infobox should be included in the article body.
  • Images should be structured in the following format: [[File:File-name.png|thumb|left/right|size|caption]] Also, for the image size formatting, "000px" should be used as opposed to "000x000px"
    • I’m assuming that you only crossed out half of that because the size was before left/right. That is fixed now.JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 18:01, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing note) Spaces in file names should be replaced with an underscore. I have fixed this for you. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 05:26, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
  • Drusil Bephorin is intro exclusive.
  • How does Lodos district plaza fit into this? According to that article, the noodle vendor is located there. If that is correct, please adjust/rewrite article accordingly. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 18:16, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
    • Added that the hut is located in the plaza.
Tomotron
Zed
  • Before this nomination is taken down for being slightly over the word limit, I'd like to add that I think there is some extraneous information that can be cut down on. For example, the last paragraph of the History contains the conversation between Kelen and Skywalker that is not really relevant to the noodle establishment. Zed42 (talk) 09:17, October 11, 2020 (UTC)
    • After that, by my count it is at 998. Any other extraneous information you noticed?JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 02:55, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
      • Between this and changes from other objections, it does appear to be better, though there are still other instances of play-by-play. For example: "The third Kupohan who worked at the hut took the order and informed them to take their receipt, which had the number eighty-nine written on it, indicating their order number. Skywalker and Kelen were also informed to pick up there food at the window around the corner. Their receipt also had in writing, "Return at 0900 tomorrow." Kelen noted that it was unlikely that the hut would be selling noodles at such an early time." This can be written in a more concise manner. Zed42 (talk) 23:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
        • Cut it down/ JediMasterMacaroni Admiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 14:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
          • Apologies on not getting back to this sooner. That's better, but I feel that it can be cut a little further. "The receipt had the number eighty-nine written on it, indicating their order number, and it also had in writing, "Return at 0900 tomorrow."" I don't think this much detail is necessary. You can just describe them receiving their order number and the message informing them to return rather than writing the exact wording of the message. Zed42 (talk) 10:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The date note currently implies that the novel's events could be set between 0 BBY and 0 ABY. To clarify this, you should establish that Yavin marks the end of 0 BBY.
  • The Lodos district should be mentioned in the Description.
  • "The third one would take orders from customers and the other would prepare and box the food…" It is unclear who "the other" refers to here.
  • First paragraph of the History section: You should detail the rebels being sent on their mission before mentioning their arrival at the store. Zed42 (talk) 10:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
    • All above objections addressed. JediMasterMacaroniAdmiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 03:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
      • I've just revised the date note, since mentioning Episode IV wasn't necessary. Zed42 (talk) 09:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Bephorin's occupation as a cryptologist is exclusive to the intro and should be mentioned in the body.
  • Similarly, Bephorin needing to be rescued from the Galactic Empire is also intro-exclusive.
  • You currently mention the rebels collecting their food twice, at the end of the second History paragraph and in the third. I believe the first instance can just be merged into the first sentence of the third paragraph.
  • As Bephorin is already introduced as their target earlier in the section, it doesn't need to be mentioned for a second time in the third paragraph of the History. Zed42 (talk) 09:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • The example I provided in the Comments is still present in the article. The article should be about what happened inside the noodle hut and the noodle hut only. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:09, October 16, 2020 (UTC)
    • Removed a chunk about the prelude to the mission to denon, but two questions remain regarding relevancy to the article: I think a sentence about why they were there is good to have for the history paragraph, and I was also wondering if the part of the delivery runt that occurred the following morning should be kept, as it is official Sakhet’s noodles business but occurs off the property. Tell me your thoughts. JediMasterMacaroni (Talk) 21:11, October 16, 2020 (UTC)
      • For the first point, I would go even further and remove the info about how they got to Denon. Just briefly mention how and why they entered Sakhet's in the first place. For your second point, if the article was about an organization, then the info about the delivery would be relevant to keep. But as it stands, the article is about a location, so you should only talk about what happened in and around the location. For the delivery part, just mention that they left the establishment for whatever reason. If you want examples for how you should write a location article, see other Good articles such as The Wooden Wookiee and Nikto hideout. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 11:03, October 17, 2020 (UTC)
        • Updated. I tried to give some background on the delivery run while keeping the information only within the location itself. JediMasterMacaroni Admiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 03:12, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
          • Thats a lot better. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:34, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
            • Since the infobox was changed to a store, should the delivery run be put back?
  • The first paragraph of Description is massive, please cut it down into two paragraphs. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:10, October 16, 2020 (UTC)
    • Split it between physical description and food ordering protocol, which I think is relevant to keep.
  • {{Store}} would be a better infobox than {{Structure}} here, since this is a vendor.
    • Didn’t know that existed. I agree that it is better.
  • Context missing for Sakhet (in Description), Skywalker, Kelen, and Bephorin.
    • Still missing for Skywalker, Kelen, and Bephorin. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • In History, the reasoning for Skywalker and Kelen's visit should be made clear when you first mention them.
  • "Sakhet's Noodles owned a delivery speeder that smelled of cooking oil and was used to deliver the catering orders, even in the morning, as the people of Denon ate at all hours of the day. The speeder had the words "Sakhet's Noodles" written on it. Sakhet would deliver the noodles at the client's doorstep." I don't see the relevance of this information to the article. This can go into another page.
  • From reading that excerpt, it sounds like Sakhet's delivery speeder should get its own article.
    • I shall do that. Since the speeder belongs to the noodle hut, I think it should be called Sakhet's Noodles' delivery speeder instead of Sakhet’s delivery speeder, but if that is incorrect please tell me.
      • The description can still go into that article instead of this one. Here, just briefly mention that they used the vehicle to make deliveries. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
        • I did that.
          • It's still in this article. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 11:08, October 21, 2020 (UTC)
            • I think I fixed it.
  • "In order to ask for Sakhet's help, Skywalker and Kelen were required to order Corellian buckwheat noodles with rancor sauce, which the both of them found unappetizing." Dangling participle here.
    • Simplified the sentence.
  • "After they received their food, Sakhet took them on a delivery run during which Skywalker and Kelen gathered information that would help them formulate a plan to rescue Bephorin." The bold part is intro-exclusive information.
    • That was added prior to the part in History about the delivery run being cut down. Should it be left in or no?
      • I'd say make a brief mention of it in the article overall. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
        • Briefly mentioned.
  • Can you make the image caption more specific to the article rather than just a mention of Denon?
    • Not sure what you mean. What are you thinking?
      • If you use the image I suggested below, "Skywalker and Kelen visited Sakhet's Noodles in search of etc. etc." UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • We also have an image of Kelen and Skywalker together. I think it would be beneficial to use this image instead of the current one since it's more relevant to the article. If you are going to add it, then I would upload a cropped version separately where the two characters are the focus.
    • Do you think that’s better even though it isn’t on denon?
      • It doesn't have to be. The image illustrates the two characters that the article talks about in History. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
        • You still need to upload a cropped version separately and use that for this article. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 11:08, October 21, 2020 (UTC)
          • Uploaded cropped version.
            • The image you uploaded is a little blurry, and does not match the file extension of the file I linked above. Also it looks like you upscaled the image, which probably contributed to the blurriness. How did you crop the image? UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:18, October 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • General underlinking throughout the article (Noodle, Restaurant, Kupohan, Time to name a few). Links have to be repeated between the infobox, introduction, reference notes, and main body. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:28, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
    • Didn’t realize I needed to repeat between intro and body. I think I fixed them all. JediMasterMacaroni Admiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 02:12, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
      • There were a few more you missed. Be careful of this in future nominations. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • "The Kupohan who took the order gave no sign of it being unusual aside from a small twitch of the primary and basal ears." Does the novel clarify which Kupohan this is? The Description says there were at least three, otherwise this one would count as a fourth. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:06, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I'm going to recommend the removal of the "Description" section image. It's a boring picture of a dot on a map that doesn't add any extra contextual understanding or significance to the article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 18:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


  • Plaza had been linked to the disambiguation page, so I created a new page with a conjectural title: Lodos district plaza. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 21:29, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Per nomination rule number 3 under How to review, you, the nominator, are not allowed to strike the objections; it's the responsibility of the objector, so please refrain from doing so from here on out. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 21:49, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Should order 89 be listed as order 89 or order eighty-nine? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 23:27, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Sakhet's Noodles is currently over the 1000 word limit for good articles and will need to be taken down or changed to a featured article nomination. —Tomotron Revanchist Sith (Star Forge) 23:54, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
    • I was confused by this in the instructions. Do I try to make it shorter or no? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 23:57, October 9, 2020 (UTC)
      • Rule 14 states the article is not to be deliberately shortened, if it approaches the limit. —Tomotron Revanchist Sith (Star Forge) 02:23, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
        • You will have to ask a member of the AgriCorps reviewing board to take the nomination down as the article is above the word limit for a Good article nomination. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 08:16, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
          • I took out a bit per objection from zed42. Does that count as deliberately shortening it? By my count it is now at 998. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 02:50, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
            • Do I still need to ask someone to take it down? If so, who? JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 16:36, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
              • After thinking about it, I'd say you should look over the article and try to eliminate any details that fall into "play-by-play" or don't relate to the establishment directly. For example, the first paragraph alone contains a lot of unnecessary fluff about what Luke and Kelen did before they entered Sakhet's. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:34, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • I wanted to let you know that I will not be able to edit on saturday or Sunday because of the Jewish holiday. I will try to make up for lost time on Monday. JediMasterMacaroni (talk) 12:56, October 9, 2020 (UTC)
  • As of right now there are no objections. Is there a step that I am supposed to take at this point? JediMasterMacaroni Admiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 23:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
    • As long as there are no outstanding objections, the nomination is safe from being taken down. You'll just have to wait until more objections arise or people support the nomination. Zed42 (talk) 23:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)