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Minka

  • Nominated by: OtterSurf (talk) 10:35, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Meow.

(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)

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Support

  1. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 07:13, June 1, 2020 (UTC)
  2. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:20, August 28, 2020 (UTC)
  3. ACvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 06:10, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 14:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Object

Spooky
  • While the Biography has her homeworld, it is missing from the infobox.
    • How the hell did I miss that? Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 10:38, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
  • The ref note for her species input of the infobox should be worded to specifically mention how that defines Minka as Cantrosian. The years are not necessary in that note, nor is 'finally' named. Just that the species from the prior source, of which Minka was a part, was identified as such.
  • The intro could be expanded for an article of this size.
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 10:47, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
      • I still think two or three more sentences than is now there would suit best.—spookywillowwtalk 21:30, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
        • Really think that's as long as I can make it. OtterSurf (talk) 10:48, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
          • While the additions made it longer, the majority of the introduction now consists of run-on sentences that could be split.—spookywillowwtalk 18:10, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • I believe that her colleagues (Sami/Durne) could be introduced at the end of the first paragraph. She clearly had been working with them before she lost her wingmates, so it would logically suit to note that she had met them at some point by the time of the X-wing incident.
  • The last sentence of the P&T seems like a run-on, it should be able to split into two sentences.
  • The author of the comic issue she appears in should be specified.—spookywillowwtalk 21:45, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
TQG
  • Please add subject categories to the images of her used in the article and place {{Imagecat}} into the article once a category for images of her is created. Toqgers (talk) 03:39, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • As I pointed out in Ginder's nomination, Equipment goes below Skills.
  • Do Minka's faction and the Imperial cell not have articles of their own?
    • Do they need articles? I don't think they'd be very substantial, even for potential CAs. OtterSurf (talk) 09:28, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • Context and linking for Millennium Falcon.
  • "With Durne's treachery exposed and the traitor himself in custody." This is the first time you mention a "traitor" in the article. It's not clear who this is referring to. Reword if it's Durne.
  • Any starships the character has used can be detailed in Equipment.
  • Full release date for comic required. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:14, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 09:28, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • I don't believe this can be sourced to the comic itself. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:34, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
        • No, of course not. Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 10:34, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • You mention that she is a Cantrosian female twice in the body, when it is only required once.
  • I can see some space for sub-sectioning in the biography.
    • When you introduce sub-sections in the body, nothing should be left out; all information should be under those sub-sections. Also, single-paragraph sub-sections should be avoided where possible. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 13:53, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
      • That's cleared a lot up, thanks. Done. OtterSurf (talk) 14:14, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
        • I'm sure there's another quote you can add under the second sub-section. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 14:16, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
  • "More Cantrosian Y-wings appeared and shot the Falcon down, forcing the ship to land in a gully." "Shot down" means the ship was knocked out of the sky, but we know this isn't the case in the next part of this sentence. Try substituting it with something else.
  • Context for Niru.
  • Minka hiding with Organa is sourced to the Hyperspace link, which doesn't seem to be in the Appearances or Sources. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 13:07, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
QGJ
  • Reference 4 needs more work. I don't see how it relates in any way to Minka, especially since it mentions Lumiya for some reason, who isn't mentioned in the article proper.
    • That's going to be tricky, but I'm up for it. Watch this space. OtterSurf (talk) 20:49, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 21:00, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
      • What if the Battle of Endor was fought in the last days of 4 ABY? Then "weeks after" would be 5 ABY. In order for this ref to work, you need to establish how far into 4 ABY the Battle of Endor took place (with an attributable source, obviously). QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 07:10, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
        • Rechecked TNEC and done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:20, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Unless a source explicitly describes her hair as being "marmalade-colored," we should avoid such flowery prose.
  • The word "figurehead" usually bears a negative connotation, meaning a fake ruler who is controlled by a more powerful individual behind the scenes. I wouldn't apply this term to Han, Luke and Leia.
  • The beginning of the bio mentions only Minka joining the Rebellion, yet later you mention "her Rebellion-loyal" faction back on her homeworld, as if she had been a member of this group before joining the Rebellion. If so, then this fact should be established earlier.
  • What was Durne's motive for manipulating the factions of Cantros-7? QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 10:44, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
    • The Nagai Knife recruited him to sow discord. I'll work it in. OtterSurf (talk) 20:49, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 21:00, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
Anil
  • Preliminaries:
    • File links in the body should be formatted "file:name | thumb | location | size | caption."
    • {{Hyperspace}} is not formatted properly.
      • How? Archive links don't exist. OtterSurf (talk) 15:40, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
        • Empty "int" field. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:52, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
          • That's not required. Says so on the template page. OtterSurf (talk) 08:52, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
            • But that doesn't mean you should keep an empty field you don't use when formatting the template, does it? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 09:20, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
              • Ahhhhhh! Of course. Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 09:24, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
    • Many links/pipelinks in the article are not formatted properly.
      • Can you point those out? OtterSurf (talk) 15:43, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
        • [[Wingmate/Legends|wingmate]]s, ''[[Millennium Falcon/Legends|Millennium Falcon]]'', and countless more. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:52, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
    • Missing categories.
      • And those are? OtterSurf (talk) 15:40, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
        • For starters, isn't she a member of the Rebel Alliance? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:52, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
          • That's never stated outright, just that Minka and her faction are loyal to it. OtterSurf (talk) 08:50, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
    • What is the page number for the section that provides the release date for the comic in Marvel Age #23 exactly? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:48, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
      • The cover states the date, while Catspaw is listed on page 5. OtterSurf (talk) 15:31, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • It would be beneficial to give context stating that the Empire is enemies with the Rebel Alliance in the first sentence of the second paragraph of "Early life and a brush with death."
  • Please check my edit here to make sure everything is correct and to also see where I fixed some grammatical and flow errors. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 05:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC),
  • The "Personality and traits" section doesn't need to include traits that are inherent to her species, only ones that are more specific to her. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 18:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC),
  • One last thing: is there not a quote that could be used for the "Skills and abilities" section? MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 21:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I've been back through the comic and I can't find one that would fit. OtterSurf (talk) 17:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Actually, one more thing: how does Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows confirm her species exactly? MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 18:10, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
    • It mentions two nameless characters as Cantrosian. I believe it was the first source to do so. OtterSurf (talk) 18:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
      • And how do we know these two characters are the same species as Minka? I'm just trying to connect the dots. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 18:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Cantros = Cantrosian, plus the references to paws and "Cantrosian-scratch fever"; Reaves was clearly making a reference to "cat-scratch fever". OtterSurf (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
          • Ok, that logic tracks for me. Her species in the first sentence of "Biography" needs to be sourced with that ref note, then. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 21:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I'm going to say the comic's publication date and referencing in the BTS is neither sufficient nor accurate, and I'm guessing you just blindly copied this from the Star Wars 93 article. First of all, that article doesn't say the comic was published on November 27; it says it was published on December 18. Moreover, assuming this info from Marvel Age is accurate, I want you to demonstrate for this nomination that you've actually checked Marvel Age itself and have thus verified the accuracy of this information and are not in fact just blindly copying this from our article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
    • I can assure you that the date comes directly from Marvel Age 23 and that I have not "blindly copied" from anything on this wiki. I'd also like you to explain how the referencing is insufficient. OtterSurf (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
      • I'm not responding to this objection further until you actually resolve the content issue that I've raised. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
        • This do, Tope? OtterSurf (talk) 19:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
          • No, actually, that didn't do. You finally resolving the content issue of my objection ten minutes after you posted this did. I'm glad to see you that you actually have access to this issue of Marvel Age. You apparently either have a physical copy, which would impress me, or you obtained a pdf somewhere. Either one is what you needed to clarify. Uploading this image and posting it here was unnecessary and just disrupts the flow of this nomination page, so I've removed it. The purpose of making you demonstrate that you've actually checked Marvel Age is because at this point you have zero credibility when it comes to source verification. Did you forget? So you don't need to act surprised or put off when someone challenges you to prove that you can and are checking something. You can expect this on every article you nominate. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Imp
  • Please create articles for Minka's and Niru's factions, they certainly seem notable enough.
    • Please thoroughly link to those articles, and per the text it seems that Minka's faction should also be listed in the infobox instead of the Rebel Alliance. Imperators II(Talk) 12:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
      • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
        • So which one is it, then? Is Minka a part of the Rebel Alliance? If so, that needs to be reflected in the article's categorization. If not, please remove the Alliance from the infobox. Imperators II(Talk) 14:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • "world" cannot be sourced to The Essential Atlas with regards to Cantros 7.
    • I've used the comic itself. OtterSurf (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Please format the title of "The Forgotten War: The Nagai and the Tofs" consistently throughout the article.
  • Per status article precedent, the general mentions of comic book artists in the BTS should be limited to pencillers only. Imperators II(Talk) 09:40, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • You describe the Y-Wings firing on her as part of a faction loyal to the Empire, but this isn't actually accurate, she just believes that they're loyal to the Empire. I'd add in the first paragraph that Durne was head of their intelligence network and then you can say in the second paragraph that Minka believed that the opposing faction was loyal to the Empire based on false reports from Durne's spies. You can also say she was shocked about the Emperor as Durne's spies had reported he was still alive. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • You can say that she signalled the control tower on Saijo for aid upon crashing. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • I also think you should add that she specifically returned fire on the other rebels with her blaster set to stun. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • In the P&T I believe it's worth mentioning that she considered the loss of her wingmates on the way to Sanji worth it if it meant the heroes would help them. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  • The complete encyclopaedia says she was one of a handful of pilots who survived the Empire's attack on Cantros, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
    • The Complete Encyclopedia is Completely Wrong as usual. The entry also states that she was a Rebel Alliance member, while the comic proves that to be false. OtterSurf (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
      • Based on the fact the comic says there was never any Imperial activity in the system you're right that it appears to be an error, but both those errors need to be noted in the BTS. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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