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Club Penguin

  • Nominated by: Bonzane10 (talk) 20:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 17:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 860 words (169 introduction, 691 body, 0 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WookieeProject Video Games

(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)

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Support

  1. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Great job with the objections Commander Code-8 Hello There! 00:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
  3. Panther436 (talk) 05:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
  4. ACvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 05:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
  5. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 17:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Object

DFaceG
  • There are no references in the infobox. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
  • (Review note) Please review my copy-edit. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
    • got it -Bonzane10 (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Could you explain what "review" mean? I mean, I don't really know what I need to do exactly -Bonzane10 (talk) 09:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Just make sure you're okay with the edits I made. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 16:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
        • ohh ok, it's fine -Bonzane10 (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • (Review note) Another copy-edit - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 16:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
    • All good and noted -Bonzane10 (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Are there any old, official screenshots or promotional images of the Star Wars events that you can add to the article? - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 07:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
    • sure -Bonzane10 (talk) 10:24, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Please ensure any redlinked categories on the images are made or otherwise resolved. Looking at them, the imagecats for the individual takeover events seem unnecessary; the catch-all "Images from Club Penguin" should do. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 08:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
VergenceScatter
  • The infobox and intro give different dates for the shutdown of the game.
  • All of the information that is in the introduction should appear again in the body of the article. The shutdown date does not, so please fix that and check to make sure that there isn't any other into-exclusive information.VergenceScatter (talk) 20:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
    • got it, but could you explain what you meant by "into-exclusive"? I'm guessing its a typo? just wanna make sure -Bonzane10 (talk) 21:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
    • I've added the necessary info to the body of the article -Bonzane10 (talk) 22:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
      • You haven't—the date is still only in the intro. VergenceScatter (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
        • Ooo, I misunderstood your first message. For some reason, I thought your first message said that you didn't want the shut down date on the body of the article. Added and fixed. -Bonzane10 (talk) 09:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • The introduction shouldn't contain references.
  • Please add a link to the wikipedia page on club penguin to the external links section using Template:WP. VergenceScatter (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Dent
  • Disney Canada, Inc. is a game developer that has made Star Wars content. It is therefore notable and deserves a page on the wiki instead of a link to Wikipedia. See Maxis for how to create a good video game company page. You don't need to be comprehensive, the page can just be a stub for now (unless you want to add more). Dentface (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
    • done (page for disney canada still WIP) -Bonzane10 (talk) 18:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • I recommend using a different image for the infobox. Since Club Penguin never had official box art, I recommend going with the last logo the game used before its closure in 2017. Dentface (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Please try to find the highest quality version of the logo possible. And since Club Penguin has closed, you can't source the image just to "Club Penguin." Link to the exact site you found it and make sure that the citation is formatted properly (e.g. {{WebCite}}) Dentface (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
      • sure thing -Bonzane10 (talk) 18:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
        • done -Bonzane10 (talk) 18:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
          • Your crop is off. There's blank space to the right. Dentface (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
            • There's a white trademark on the right, no blank space for me -Bonzane10 (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
          • Also, Club Penguin Wiki is not a valid source, just like how you wouldn't source to Wikipedia, you need to cite the original source. So in this case, you need to find where they got the image or go somewhere else entirely to find it. Dentface (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
            • sure, lemme see -Bonzane10 (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
              • done, I've gotten a new picture -Bonzane10 (talk) 19:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
                • Good job, but this is edited. All official Club Penguin logos have the "Disney" portion on them; this has been cropped by an outside source. I found a better one here. And it's properly sourced to an archive.org capture of an official Disney PDF. Try adding that one. Dentface (talk) 20:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
                  • updated! didn't know logo wiki like that exist. that'll be so useful in the future -Bonzane10 (talk) 20:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
                    • Great! Except you changed the file format. Please upload the original .svg format instead. (And check your filename when uploading. Make sure it's something like "Club Penguin logo" instead of having the "(1)" like the current file does. Also, {{Disney}} can be used for the image source as well. You can use the domain= field to specify that it's disney.co.uk. Additionally, as a note make sure you fill out other fields in {{WebCite}} like "publisher" and "date" when applicable. (But you aren't using Cite_web in this exact instance) Dentface (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Disney Interactive was only the game's publisher after its acquisition of Club Penguin. You should list the original publisher as well. Dentface (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
  • References 4 and 7 can use the {{Disney}} template instead of {{WebCite}}. Dentface (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Amazingly
  • You should probably write more about the Star Wars crossovers in the intro as we are a Star Wars wiki and that is the main purpose of the article. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
  • The items in the Sources section can all be moved to the External links section because they are not official Star Wars sources. Does StarWars.com ever talk about the game or any other official StarWars source? AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
    • From what I can find, StarWars.com never posted any articles or at least any that is salvageable at this point in time. IMO Club Penguin itself is a valid source given that the game itself is very much tied to Disney. Bonzane10 DisneyClubPenguinLogo (holonet) 17:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
CC-8
  • Although this article is not about an individual game, the article should still follow the OOU layout guide. The SW content section is probably fine as it is cause plot summary doesn't really work to describe it, but some information like the dates and promotions should be covered in the development section.
  • Date for Celebration II Europe should be added and appropriately sourced. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 08:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Done. (The source was from an official blogpost) Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Introduction is getting way, way too long. Intros need to be proportional in length to the body of the article. In this case you've got 590 words in the body so two paragraphs is the absolute max you should have in the intro. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 09:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Done. I cut down some unnecessary points in the intro and focused more on the SW aspect of the game. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
      • It's still too large and can still be condensed into more of a broad summary. For an article this size I suggesttrimming down further to about 170 words. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 09:29, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
  • The infobox has a few details that are not present in the body: The release dates on different platforms, the game engine, and the age rating.
  • The mentioned characters should have their full names used
    • Done. I originally shorten it because I was following how the game referred to the characters as. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 04:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
  • For each of the Star Wars content subsections, the media that the event was based on should be mentioned at the start of that section
  • Context for Lothal
    • Can you elaborate? Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 04:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
      • It's more relevant for IU articles, but in cases where a subject is being introduced we want to offer the reader the most basic information about what it is, in this case just specifying that Lothal is a planet is enough. If you do get to writing IU articles we expect a similar thing for characters, though for this as an OOU article it's not necessary. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 08:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
  • The Guardian article is unneccessary in the external links section. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 02:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • It's just occurred to me that I was wrong to recommend the OOU layout guide in this case because we only have one for published narrative works, and we're not dealing with a storyline here so the article reads a bit funny in how it describes the Star Wars works first. Without the constraints of a formal layout guide, I think our best course of action would be to start the body with a Description section, going over what Club Penguin is, gameplay, and features, followed by the Star Wars content section and then the rest of the Development section to cover the history of Club Penguin. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 03:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Body still needs to specify that the original Windows and Mac release were in 2005
  • The Development section doesn't need to link and reintroduce the Star Wars crossover events
  • Some of your verb choices are aren't quite at the encyclopedic level that they could be, for example I recommend changing "made it" -> "created" -> "would," "started" -> "began." Commander Code-8 Hello There! 09:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
  • The information in the second and third citations to the RocketSnail Tweet aren't really supported by that Tweet
    • Done. For the second citation, I changed it to the Disney aqcuisition since Club Penguin was self-published before Disney. Found an old archive of the site Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 21:06, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
  • When you say some Club Penguin characters dressed up as Star Wars characters, are you talking about NPCs or player characters? That should be specified Commander Code-8 Hello There! 00:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Should be the last item from me: The development section could use an image, could be a general Club Penguin image, or there's images available online of the Club Penguin Celebration promotion that you could use. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 06:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Surely there's a quote available for each section? Commander Code-8 Hello There! 00:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
    • Added Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
      • Including each of the SW content sections Commander Code-8 Hello There! 04:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
        • Added, though I think it's better to not use a quote for that section specifically. The "Main Article" template has a weird spacing issue as a result. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
  • In the body, Episode IV and Star Wars Rebels Season 1 should have more context, eg the type of media they are and their release years. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 11:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • I'd say you should remove the subsectioning of Star Wars content since there are only two paragraphs.
    • The section was added to separate the general info of the event, while announcements, marketing, IRL events, etc. was moved to the development section per the objections made by CC-8 above Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
      • It's fine to have those sections, but you don't need further subsectioning within the "Star Wars content" section. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 23:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
        • Done. I misunderstood your intial objection Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 04:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Check your categories for redundant ones - it's already in computer and video games via 2014 computer and video games, for example.
  • The bolding in the main body should be removed.
  • Instead of using {{Main}} templates and saying "this event," you should introduce them in the prose, eg "The first event was based on..."
    • Changed, though I didn't remove the {{Main}}, because I think it can benefit reader Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 09:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • You should add some context (ie little descriptors) for the locations. "The planet Tatooine" or "the Death Star battlestation" are common ways to do that. Same goes for the characters.
  • NPC should be fully spelled out.
  • This sentence doesn't work grammatically since it's missing a conjunction: "The web-based MMO was later released on Miniclip, an online game site, it quickly grew in popularity and became Miniclip's number one game."
  • I don't see a real need to repeat info on the SW takeovers in both the content and development sections unless there's info that only belongs in one of those sections.
    • The separation was done to separate the general info of the event and other external info such as dates, IRL event, marketings, etc. it was added per the objections above by CC-8 Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Review note: here's my copy-edit with some minor fixes/tweaks. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 01:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 17:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)