Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Ashas Ree/Legends

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Ashas Ree/Legends

• Nominated by: Goodmind (talk) 18:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• Nomination comments:
• Date Archived: 00:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• Final word count: 891 words (127 introduction, 650 body, 114 behind the scenes)
• WookieeProject (optional): WP:AST

(3 ACs/0 Users/3 Total)

(Votes required: Additional 2 user or 1 AC votes required to pass.)

Support

1. Imperators II^(Talk) 18:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Lewisr (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
3. —spookywilloww^talk 19:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Object

Fan

• Intro needs to contextualise Kamat Aegit and the Zorfe Trete as hyperlanes.
  • I think I'll remove them, not that relevant for the intro --Goodmind (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• Missing link to Death/Legends in intro
  • Fixed --Goodmind (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• Context for Onderon in intro. Fan26 (Talk) 18:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Done --Goodmind (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• The existence of those killing fields Korsin thinks about should be mentioned in the description, at least, if they aren't notable enough for an article of their own. Fan26 (Talk) 18:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Done --Goodmind (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Lew

• Context for Kesh, Khar Delba, and Khar Shian Lewisr (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• BTS needs to indicate its first picturing in Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side Lewisr (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Fixed --Goodmind (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Is it known who illustrated the image of Ashas Ree in the book? Lewisr (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Yes? --Goodmind (talk) 06:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
        • That should be noted then Lewisr (talk) 04:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
          • Noted --Goodmind (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
• 'during the Rim Campaign of the Great Galactic War, the Galactic Republic, under the command of Jedi Master Ven Zallow, launched an attack on the planet' did you mean forces of the Republic? Because currently it suggests Ven Zallow is commanding the Republic Lewisr (talk) 22:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Done --Goodmind (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Imp

• Please do not re-use the infobox image in the body. Imperators II^(Talk) 08:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
  • That's the only image for the planet and the battle, that would be impossible --Goodmind (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Using another related image, or even foregoing an image entirely, would be better than just straight-up re-using one. Imperators II^(Talk) 21:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
      • I disagree, unless we just put the system image back as the infobox --Goodmind (talk) 23:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
        • I'm afraid I have to insist on this. Look at it this way: each image in an article should be unique and—ideally—of irreplaceable value. If a reader sees the image in the infobox and then encounters it again, do you really think they're likely to look at it again? Also, that image is going to be featured in the infobox of the respective battle article anyway, so the principle of "each subject gets illustrated at least on its own article" would still be in effect. Imperators II^(Talk) 08:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
          • Is this fine? The battle section would just look weird with no image of with any other image --Goodmind (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
            • No, because the Book of Sith image depicts the actual planet whereas the map image only serves as a symbolic representation of the system. Imperators II^(Talk) 07:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
              • So which image would you suggest for the battle, at least this way there aren't any duplicates --Goodmind (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
                • It's up to you (I've replaced the infobox image per the arguments above). It could be an image of Zallow or Malgus, or there's also this image I've just uploaded for use on the journal article. i.e., you can use it to illustrate the fact that Malgus wrote the journal there. Imperators II^(Talk) 18:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
• Does Book of Sith really establish that jungle and rock formations covered the planet's surface, or are you simply extrapolating from the description of one location? Earth also has both jungle and rock formations, but we wouldn't really call it a jungle planet, would we?
  • Do you think it's only in one location? Also Star Wars loves its single-biome planets... :P --Goodmind (talk) 15:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Whether I'm guessing that Ashas Ree has a lot of jungle or just a little of it isn't really relevant here, my point is more that we shouldn't be assuming it either way. So if the source depicts the planet as having jungle, we say so - but that's not the same as saying that it was covered in jungle. And yes, that trope seems to be a hallmark of Star Wars, but we should leave it up to the authors to decide whether they want to indulge in that, rather than assume it ourselves. :)
      • Done--Goodmind (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• It feels to me like the killing fields deserve an article of their own.
  • It doesn't seem like a specific location, but used more like a general term --Goodmind (talk) 15:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Never mind, looks like "killing field" is more of a real-world dictionary entry than I realized.
• Why are you pipelinking "battle-scarred" to the article on ground warfare? Could it not have suffered damage from, for example, orbital bombardment or other actions by atmospheric or space vehicles? Imperators II^(Talk) 18:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Is there general warfare page? --Goodmind (talk) 15:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Not to my knowledge. Imperators II^(Talk) 08:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
      • Done--Goodmind (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Anil

• Could you please elaborate on the Battle of Ashas Ree a little bit? The Sith siege tanks and the shield, for example, are only mentioned in a quote and an image caption at the moment. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks, looks much better now. The Sith siege tank probably warrants its own page, though. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Uber

• Would like to know the justification for the double reference under "Early history," since current standards entail eliminating as many of them as possible, keeping them for very specific situations (e.g. Moroff).
  • It was something about keeping all sources that talk about the planet being "deep within" the Sith Empire's territory, but that CSWE entry is kinda confusing in general --Goodmind (talk) 06:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    • If one source can support the info on its own, the other can go. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
• A date for the Great Hyperspace War would be appreciated.
  • Added --Goodmind (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
• The planet is contextualized as a Sith Empire world twice under "Early history."
  • Is it? It's just talking about what Nadd visited --Goodmind (talk) 06:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    • "A battle-scarred world,[2] Ashas Ree was located deep within the territory of the Sith Empire" and "Ashas Ree—a world[6] in the area of space where the Sith Empire had once ruled" are kind of saying the same thing currently. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
      • The second one is after the fall --Goodmind (talk) 13:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
        • It's still the same context: The world under Sith Empire control. UberSoldat93 (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
          • But the second sentence is more relevant to Nadd than to Ashas Ree --Goodmind (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
            • You could at least clarify that the space was no longer under their control by that point, if that's what "once ruled" is implying. No need to call it a world twice either. What's relevant here is Nadd discovering Ashas Ree, those other details aren't too relevant to that. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
• To maintain chronology, I would like the info about Sidious obtaining Malgus' journal moved after all of the conflicts before his time. This also lets you connect nicely to the Jedi vs. Sith info.
  • Done --Goodmind (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    • You'll want to connect Sidious with Palpatine too. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
      • Fixed --Goodmind (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
        • Still not stated that Sidious is Palpatine. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
          • It's in different eras, so is it needed? --Goodmind (talk) 06:14, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
            • Because you need to tell readers they're the same person. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
• This surveillance droid very much sounds notable for its own article. UberSoldat93 (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Doesn't seem that significant based on what Imperators II posted --Goodmind (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Plenty of crew mission subjects have articles already, this one is no different. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
• Having checked CSWE myself, there is no entry for Ashas Ree the planet, and no mention in Freedon Nadd, Garu, or Adas' entries either. Unless it's mentioned somewhere in the book, it should not be listed as a source. If it is, please use the template accordingly. UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Wouldn't the name still be a mention of astronomical object, and not the system? --Goodmind (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
    • No, not in simple prose text like that. Imperators II^(Talk) 08:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Per Imp. Are there other sources currently listed in the article that only mention the system? UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
• Could you combine the New Sith Wars and Inter-Sith Wars period sections so that you don't have a short one-paragraph section awkwardly sandwiched between two larger ones? UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

OOM

• "launched an attack on Ashas" — was the world referred to simply as "Ashas" in the source?
• "then-ongoing" — redundant wording
• "heavily annotated" — violates WP:NPOV. I also think the section heading "Early history" is rather subjective, especially when a significant chunk of the information we have on Ashas Ree takes place in the 5000–3000 BBY timeframe.
• You should note Vaa's claims in the Telos Holocron about other Sith worlds since you later mention that those claims are disputed by Palpatine.
• The suggestion that Ashas Ree was intended to be a staging point for a strike against Dromund Kaas in the quote under "Inhabitants" should be noted in the prose. OOM 224 (he/him) 09:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• Imperators, do you mean SWTOR no longer mentions Ashas Ree in BTS? --Goodmind (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  • No, it's referring to the fact that at one point (IIRC it was with the first Digital Expansions) the Crew Skill missions 1) stopped being faction-specific, and 2) stopped giving a custom "success" lore blurb (originally, the missions had a "something has happened. Send your companion to do this and that" blurb and a "your companion was successful and did this and that" - the second one is no longer given for Crew Skill missions). Imperators II^(Talk) 18:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Is there more info about the surveillance droid in the game? --Goodmind (talk) 12:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
      • The text of the mission is "An enemy surveillance droid is posing as a protocol unit on Ashas Ree. Send your companion to capture the droid and retrieve its data before it can wipe its own memory. [The companion's name] retrieved the droid's memory data while it was offline at a charging station, ensuring that the Republic will never know their spy has been compromised." Imperators II^(Talk) 12:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Vote to remove (AC only)

1. Objections have not been responded to in over two weeks Fan26 (Talk) 00:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Lewisr (talk) 00:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
3. —spookywilloww^talk 00:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)