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XJ-6 airspeeder

  • Nominated by: JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 12:00, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I suppose it's only fitting that a return to semi-active editing would mean my first FA should be returned to Featured status. And man, this article definitely needed that rewrite.

(5 Inqs/3 Users/8 Total)

Support

  1. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:05, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 14:50, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 01:09, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
  4. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 03:59, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 16:52, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:32, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  7. Coruscantfan (Talk) 19:50, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
  8. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:52, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Object

Ayrehead
  • Quite a few redirects that need fixing. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:42, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • I think the other model of airspeeder that Greyshade owns is identified in an image caption in the Viva Space Vegas blog entry. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:42, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • At first I thought it was an OOU reference to a model of car for some reason (probably because I was working on this article in the dead of night), but a quick Google search has shown me otherwise. Added and links to the respective articles have been made. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 06:23, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • "as the Jedi had previously flown one of the senator's personal vehicles two years prior and was the only convertible speeder on the lot." I think your missing and it in this sentence. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:42, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • I was. Fixed the sentence so it flows a little better, too. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 06:23, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • In the behind the scenes you need to mention the source that the speeder first appeared in, as well as what source identified it. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:42, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
Cadeth
  • *slap* Redirects, young Jorrel.
    • In my defense I didn't know Orange existed. Things have changed.
  • Also, the Sources list should be listed chronologically by release date. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 14:42, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
    • Thought I'd fixed it, but now I've actually fixed it. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 03:40, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
  • A few preliminaries. First of all, the infobox needs to have thorough linking just like the intro and body of the article.
    • Linked.
  • Per the Layout Guide, the majority of information that's currently in the infobox also needs to be repeated in the body of the article. All technical specifications in the infobox should be added to "Characteristics."
    • Added to prose. Did not know the actual tech specs were to be in the article itself, but they're all there now.
  • Two things regarding the use of Fact File 29: first, why is it listed twice in the Sources section? Second of all, each use of {{FFCite}} should include the page numbers, i.e. "ANA23" or whatever it is in the Fact File.
    • Leftover from re-organization for the first part. Wasn't familiar with the second, which poses a problem as I am no longer in possession of the FF in question. I'll ask around to see if I can get a fresh copy.
      • And now I have that resource. Just have to ask the right people, I guess. Added. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 23:27, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
        • Minor, but please make sure the page notation follows WP:DASH. CC7567 (talk) 17:34, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
          • I, uh... oy. I have nothing. It's been fixed. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 10:05, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • Image captions should not be punctuated if they aren't complete sentences.
    • Cleaned.
  • All quotes from the online HNN article (now defunct) should ideally link directly to the specific article, not HoloNet News Vol. 531 56. You can use one of the backup links if you need to.
    • Done, though I feel that there's a better way to do that, somehow, like make some sort of hovertext showing where it's from, even if the link points to the actual article. Something for another time, I suppose.
  • Does the speeder appear in the regular AOTC novelization? I would think it would, even if the specific model isn't mentioned.
    • Yeah, it's there. Don't know why I didn't think of AotC having a novel. Oversight corrected and found a source for the Fact Files' mention of a flag in the engine.
  • I'll give a full review once the above objections are fixed. CC7567 (talk) 19:18, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
    • With exception to page numbers, everything's fixed. Working on that last bit. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 06:31, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Is the Sources list completely ordered by publication/release date? There seem to be one or two sources that are out of place, so please make sure it's in the right order. CC7567 (talk) 21:07, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
    • I ran through it again and the only thing that was out of order was the Fact File, which doesn't have a firm release date listed on either page. I was estimating the 29th issue to be sometime much later than the start of the run in 2002. I've moved it to the 2002 listing, though, since I guess that's the only solid date I have at my disposal. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 03:20, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
      • According to the backup link for the (now defunct) Episode II Design article on StarWars.com, that article was published on June 1, 2001, but it's near the bottom of the Sources. Since that article was published before Star Wars: Obi-Wan, it also appears as though {{1stm}} would be appropriate for that article. CC7567 (talk) 18:16, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
        • Ah, I had not noticed the date on the blog post itself. Moved to the top and added the 1stm. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 19:38, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
  • Not an objection per se, but the Anakin's airspeeder canon page should ideally be filled out properly, since readers will be curious to see the canon version of the article.
    • Been meaning to, but haven't gotten around to it. Proper-fied.
      • On that note, though... I'm not positive we should even have a Canon article based on our current canon notability policy. It is only referred to as "Anakin's airspeeder" in now-Legends material. The movie does not give it an explicit name and the speeder does not have an Encyclopedia entry. I do realize that the upcoming Mofference has the notability policy as a topic, so perhaps something will be determined then. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 02:26, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
        • Yeah, actually I don't see any canon sources that refer to the speeder by name, so the canon page's notability is rather questionable right now. We can revisit this after the canon article discussion at the Mofference. CC7567 (talk) 04:58, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
          • The Mofference did not address this, so I'm going to revert it back to its redirect. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 06:24, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • "The XJ-6 was tracked down by Coruscant authorities after the chase had ended over a hundred kilometers from its original spot in the Senate District": please avoid using passive voice where possible, i.e. "[x] tracked down [y]" and not "[y] was tracked down by [x]," as it is currently. Please check the rest of the article for this.
    • I'm not positive, but I think I nabbed 'em all.
  • Since we have an article for Greyshade's individual B69 speeder, it seems prudent to have one for Greyshade's specific XJ-6 airspeeder. The XJ-6 airspeeder article (for the model, not the individual speeder) should be able to remain mostly the same, as long as it covers mainly the speeder model and not the individual speeder itself. What do you think?
    • I'm a little torn on this, since there's nothing that states that this speeder is part of a line (a mistake I had made previously due to misreading sources). In the case of the B69, Greyshade's model was "apparently modified," suggesting there's other B69 Elekras. For the XJ-6, though, every source indicates it's a custom-built model based off of a Narglatch AirTech prefab kit. Essentially, Simon Greyshade's XJ-6 airspeeder is the XJ-6 airspeeder, and the only XJ-6 that exists is Greyshade's. I can't think of any unique ships of the top of my head, but I'll change my stance on this if you know more than I do on the SOP. I have made a link for the prefab kit Greyshade used, though I am not quite sure on the naming.
      • Yeah, I thought that might be the case (it being the only one of its line). I'll ask around to get some other opinions, then I'll get back to you. Also, please make sure to create XJ-6 prefabricated kit, since it's the intro where redliks aren't allowed. CC7567 (talk) 03:05, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
        • I believe I have developed an adequate compromise (which also helps deal with the XJ-2 airspeeder article, which has the same issue) in the creation and linking of XJ-6 airspeeder kit and prefabricated kit (and, for the XJ-2 article, XJ-2 airspeeder kit). The kit article covers the overall XJ-6 "line", which was used to create the XJ-6. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 02:26, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
          • I'm a bit confused—what exactly do you mean by the XJ-6 "line"? Because whatever airspeeder product line/uncustomized vehicle/base model for the XJ-6 should ideally be at XJ-6 airspeeder, and any other custom works at another title. Or am I missing something? CC7567 (talk) 04:58, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
            • When you put it that way, I'm reconsidering myself. We know that no source indicates any other XJ-6 speeders beyond Greyshade's. The only "line" that's explicitly mentioned is the Narglatch prefabricated kit, which both the XJ-6 and XJ-2 databank entries mention as the base for a "custom special". The creation of the "line" article was an attempt to specify (per the XJ-2 databank entry) that Narglatch had at least two different kits available, but it's possible that I'm speculating a bit too far on that. I'm sort of confused myself on this, actually, since I'm not positive what my justification was back when I was doing this work and I'm at a loss for what to do now. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 07:10, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
              • After reviewing both Databank entries, I think the article should be fine as it is, as long as it explicitly specifies Greyshade's modifications as such—where known, of course. In cases where it's not clear whether a feature was a) from the base model or b) was a modification on Greyshade's part, I think it's safe to assume the former, since we don't really have any evidence on what a base model XJ-6 looks like anyway. I'd recommend going through the article just to make sure that Greyshade's customizations are specified as such, but I won't keep this as an open objection; I'll go through any remaining spots with you once I start reviewing the article body. CC7567 (talk) 08:27, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
                • Alrighty. Pretty much everything is alluded to being Greyshade's modifications in ICS, but individual components are not specified as being stock/mod. Anything that is, though, has been noted (mainly engines and color). JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 06:24, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • This isn't a policy per se, but any referencing should ideally use individual comic issues where applicable, and not comic story arcs like Star Wars: Republic: Honor and Duty.
    • Taken care of.
  • I'll continue with the body of the article once these are addressed. CC7567 (talk) 05:32, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
Cav
  • Usually, I don't quibble with info box images, but in this case I think that the forward facing shot used in the main body would serve better since it prominently displays the forward mounted engines. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 16:30, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • IIRC, the only reason the two weren't swapped was because the rear shot was "movie" quality, while the head-on shot is an illustration. That said, I agree, and I've swapped the images accordingly. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 17:41, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Floyd
  • Should we say that Anakin "borrowed" the airspeeder in the infobox? Sounds like he stole the damn thing. :P
    • Technically, stolen and returned. Perhaps "appropriated" would fit?
  • "aware of oncoming objects. An electric field system ensured that oncoming objects," Let's avoid repetition.
    • Repetitive repetition reworded.
  • "Using a kit produced by Narglatch AirTech, Greyshade's personal mechanics took months to perfect the resulting craft," And it took them years to get the color, right? Does that fit into the History?
    • Good point. Added in there.
  • Context on The Works?
    • Contextified.
  • "Coruscanti officials found the vehicle shortly thereafter, was over 100 kilometers from its original position in the Senate District." Words missing here?
    • Nah. Okay, yeah, so now there's more missing but it's an actual sentence now.
  • "and the Jedi had flown one of the senator's personal vehicles one year prior." Quick question: Do we know that this factored into Anakin's decision-making when he stole the speeder? Like, did he actually know that the XJ-6 belonged to Greyshade? I don't think there's anything in AOTC or Viva Space Vegas that indicates that he did.
    • You're correct. Mostly put in there to tie the two craft together, since Anakin drove both, but it's not confirmed as a reason to choose the XJ-6. Speculation removed.
  • "though it is unknown if the speeder available then was Simon Greyshade's speeder or simply a model based off of the original XJ-6 airspeeder." It's unknown? Does Galaxies actually say that it was unknown?
    • I... don't think so, upon reading the card again. It doesn't give an explicit confirmation that it's either option, either. The card/deed only states "With its Podracer-like forward mounted turbine engines and bold color, it's no wonder this custom-built luxury hot rod speeder caught Anakin's eye. This item may only be claimed once per character." I'll remove the unknown.
  • "to locate assassin Zam Wesell's assassin" Let's try to avoid the double "assassin" :P
    • Aw, I liked that. Gone.
  • "There is some conflict surrounding the accusation of Reymet Autem in the theft of the speeder, due to the Autem family's departure from Coruscant one year prior to the HoloNet article." Expand on this. Which two sources are conflicting? Also, give context on this "HoloNet article". IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 00:29, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
    • Leftover from the original nomination. I don't even really feel that it's necessary (though I was told it was), since it's entirely possible that not all of the Autems left, or Reymet may have come back. I think it may be best to just remove the statement altogether. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 17:15, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Infobox and intro objections. First, the infobox sources the speeder model to that Databank page, but the designation XJ-6 is found nowhere within.
    • Should have been pipelinked since that's a conjectural name. Fixed.
  • Is there any specific reason why two references are needed for the infobox's length field? Pretty much the only time I think it's really necessary to do something like that for length, etc., is if there are contradicting sources and you need multiple references to back something up, or if you're culling information from two separate sources to determine a figure.
    • No, not that I recall. Cleaned.
  • I left a redlink for megawatt in the infobox. We have an article on Gigawatt, for example, and they should be kept separate until/unless we come to some kind of decision to merge. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:41, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • De-redlinked. Also took care of the later mention. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 05:57, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
  • If you haven't already, you should determine whether you're intending to present this article as a speeder model or a personal vehicle, even though I realize they're kind of both. The difference will determine whether the "Characteristics" section is titled that or "Description".
    • I'm going to lean towards a personal vehicle, since even its appearance in Galaxies could be justified as a single vehicle. Changed the header to indicate it.
  • Does the source actually state he was believed to reside here? Otherwise, it's just speculation and should be removed: "where he was believed to take residence."
    • Incorrectly based the information off of our Senate Complex article. While heavily implied, the only explicitly stated residence Greyshade has in the complex is the parking space, which is mentioned as being designated to Greyshade. Changed the sentence accordingly.
  • Unless the source provides a date of 22 BBY, which I strongly doubt, this will need an independent reference: "Shortly before the outbreak of the Clone Wars in 22 BBY..."
    • Added.
  • There should be an article created and linked to for Reymet Autem's father.
    • Already one that exists, now linked appropriately.
  • I notice that the reference note you moved into the BTS is still being used in the article. Is this necessary?
    • I feel it is, for a quick reference to the justification of the claim. While I'm just collating and clarifying sources, this reference explains it better than in-prose, in-universe wording could. I left it in the BTS, too, because it's an interesting almost-contradictory case, but I'd almost rather have it as a reference than a BTS note, if I have to make a choice.
  • In the Appearances, the full AOTC comic shouldn't be listed. Just list the presumably single issue it appeared in.
    • Done.
  • As a reviewing note, I changed Anakin's quote from the junior novel version to the film version, since they are contradictory, so the film version trumps in terms of canonicity. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:10, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • Alrighty, though you missed the closing punctuation. :P JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 04:02, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • Since a bunch of new sources were added, I'm going to leave this as a pending objection for you to check all of this stuff for potential missing information once it arrives. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 07:48, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
    • Everything has been checked and whatever was relevant was added. Mostly behind-the-scenes info, and a lot of who-did-what info pertaining to the design at that. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 04:02, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
From the airspeeder garage of Senator Culator
  • I have replaced two images as a matter of personal nitpickiness, updated the dating on your source list, and fixed one instance of intro-exclusive linking, however one instance of intro-exclusive linking remains: city. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 18:38, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
    • In order: thank you, thank you (dammit), thank you, taken care of. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 19:22, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • Although the schematics and context in the body make it clear that this is a single-pilot craft, the notation of "Pilot (1)" in the infobox means that you should make it explicit in the body that it requires and accommodates a single pilot.
  • Similarly, the explicit notation of "Armament None" in the infobox is mentioned nowhere in the body. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 22:14, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
    • Both are now noted in prose. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 05:53, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Now my pedanticism is satisfied. Just a quick note, though, always remember to check your refs, your last revision had broken ones in the new material because ref names are case-sensitive. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 16:52, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • That's what I get for editing the section instead of the entire article like I usually do. Thanks. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 17:08, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 06:52, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

  • Upon rereading the article to fulfill Culator's objections, I noticed that a physical description of the XJ-6 was not in the article. I've isolated the relevant addition here. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 05:53, February 12, 2015 (UTC)