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Krix

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  1. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 19:57, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
    Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:32, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
  2. Nice one! Jim The Lamproid (talk) 15:22, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Good stuff. 1358 (Talk) 16:16, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
  4. Awesome work on all of these Trandoshans! - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:20, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
  5. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:09, November 12, 2017 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:11, March 18, 2018 (UTC)\
  7. Inqvote Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:02, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
  8. Inqvote Per ecks. Imperators II(Talk) 10:56, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Toprawa
  • Reference 5 works, but I think you need to qualify that statement. Leland is saying that [X] starship model from [Legends source] retains the same name in Canon, but you should specify what that Legends source is that names this ship model.
    • How does that note read for you? I was figuring I still needed the template.
      • Yes, that was the gist of what I was looking for. I spruced it up a little bit. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:53, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
  • The episode numbers and seasons in the BTS cannot be sourced straight to the episodes themselves. That's not self-sourcing, and the episodes don't give any indication. That needs to be sourced to the episode guides.
    • Ah, alright. Makes sense. Consider it done.
  • Likewise, the archived episode guides don't actually provide airdates. I think they might have at one time, but that information is no longer present. I've advised other nominators recently to source airdate information to the Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Episode Guide, which contains this info in full. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:10, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • Alright. I wrote them in per your word. For future reference I also ordered a copy of of that book from Amazon. I don't know if it has any useful trivia in it as of now, though. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:45, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
  • I would suggest just removing the quote from the BTS. It's not really illustrating any great point that isn't already being explained better in the section's own wording, and it's kind of a weird, fumbling quote to read anyways.
    • Alright.
  • The article needs to do more to describe the color of his skin than just saying it's blue, because there's obviously a more dominant color there. I'm not sure if you want to call it white or beige or whatever, but that color should be mentioned in the infobox and article body on top of the blue. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:53, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
    • How's that? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 00:41, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
      • Well, firstly, it's probably inaccurate to call it skin; Trandoshans have scales, so I've modified the wording to reflect this. I also think it's kind of redundant to say "light cream," so I've changed it to just call it cream. I'm not sure what you mean by this new sentence you've added: "The skin on his face had a horizontal-stripe pattern." I'm not exactly seeing horizontal stripes. I see blue mottling around his facial ridges. Is this sentence really necessary? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:23, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
        • Mottling is the correct term apparently, but they're still stripe-ish. I figured it would have been better to just be a bit more descriptive, though I suppose the images speak for themselves as far as how the colors are on his skin/scales. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:01, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
          • If you really want to add that in, I would suggest just saying he had cream-colored scales with blue mottling (maybe "striped blue mottling" or "blue striped mottling"?) along his face and body. I'm ok with whatever you choose. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:32, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
  • I actually have two more issues. The first, for reference 10, you should specify what part of the home-video release that information is coming from. For example, please see reference 5 here and format accordingly.
  • Secondly, the TCW home-video releases only need to be listed in the Sources list if they have exclusive information pertaining to the article subject. I see the article is referencing Trandoshan stuff to S3, but is there anything actually in this one for Krix specifically? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:54, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
    • Alright, I'l try to get these answered by the end of the week. Jim the Lamproid was kind enough to extend to me the information (see below), so I've asked him if he could grab the specifics.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:10, September 12, 2017 (UTC)
      • Ok. Added the name of the Bonus Feature featurette to to the note. According to Jim, the featurette doesn't specifically mention any of the Trandoshans by name, but refers to them in broader terms (Like being present). Would that just be an Imo tag then? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:21, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
        • Should probably add that Krix isn't name dropped in the main Season 3 Trando excerpt (Chewie Returns), but he is name dropped in the hidden feature. SO I'm figuring that for the notes the features should be specified, and for the Sources section what exists is fine? Or no? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:49, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
          • Yeah, what you have now is good. Just wanted to leave a final note that I removed the P/T image because there just isn't enough text there to support an image in that section and still look good in Oasis skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:45, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
  • Since we're now listing the pre-2011 TCW episode guides in Canon articles, you should add those to the Sources list and update the article's referencing (we recently modified the SW.com template to not list the pre-2011 guides in the same template as the current guides).
  • Along with the previous objection, you should add a backup link to all the episode guide templates in the article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:12, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
    • (For Both) Like this? Also thank you for the heads up on my talk! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:59, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
      • It seems that's as good as you can do for now, since the pre-2011 SW.com templates aren't set up to manually insert an archive URL. It automatically opens each one to a more recent archive version, and those don't work. We'll have to modify the template, and then you'll have to manually insert archive URLs that do work. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:26, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
      • Ok, we've modified the template. What you have on the page is correct, except for the "Friends and Enemies" episode guide. That episode and guide were released in 2012, after the SW.com site revamp, so it needs to use the regular SW citation template. And then you need to find a working archive version from there. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:40, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
        • Wouldn't that mean I just remove the SWArchive guide and leave the normal one on there? There's a backup link attached too it that seems to work. Or, it starts too and then flashes to a white screen. I'm not sure what the issue is there. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 00:42, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
          • Yes, that's fine -- I didn't see the correct "Friends and Enemies" template in the Sources list. And all the backup links with those episode guide templates appear to be working fine for me. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:35, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
  • Reference 4 needs to add a backup link for the use of that SW.com template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:35, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:01, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
      • That Archive link doesn't work. If you let it load, it just goes to a blank white page and still load forever without showing the content. You need to find an earlier archive version that works. SW.com links from approximately late-summer 2017 to present haven't been working for reasons unknown. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:06, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
        • Ah, it wasn't loading completely for me, but you mentioned a backup link working for you that actually didn't work for me. As such I assumed it was something on my end. Try this one. This one seems to be working for me too, now. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:28, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
Cevan
  • Should Dar's initiation ceremony have its own article? Cevan IMPpress (talk) 19:11, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
    • Eh, I wouldn't think so. I think it'd be like having a page for Aang's birthday, which we don't (Or for the banquet he attended). Given the way the guild seems to be, I imagine all new members of the guild would get an initiation, which seems like something for the page on the guild itself. If that was the case, the only thing different about Dar's is that he was Garnac's son. But even so, I wouldn't think it needs an article (We have articles for funerals, though, so...) --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:31, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
      • Sounds good to me. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 19:57, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
Jim The Lamproid
  • The terms 'moved on to' and 'relocated' indicate Krix made Nal Hutta his place of residence, though that wasn't necessarily the case.
    • I agree with "relocated," so I changed that one. I'm not so sure about "moved on to." If I had just said "moved to" then yes, but I think the way it stands makes it clear that Krix just headed to Nal Hutta at some point. I suppose if there was further input on the matter, though.
      • If you don't think that's an issue i've striked the objection. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 21:44, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
  • I think Kirx's cameo in 'FaE' could be expanded on a bit, e.g add Krix was talking with a (Weequay?) outside Bilbousa's saloon. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 16:18, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
    • I considered it, but wasn't sure if it was really worth mentioning, given that the way I worded it inferred he was mingling. But I added the detail anyways, since it fleshes out his FaE appearance a bit more. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:49, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
  • Deleted scenes in the 'Jedi Temple Archives' of the season 3 blu-ray seem to show the Trandoshans as being able to appear almost invisible on command, but the idea was obviously scrapped. Worth a mention?
    • It doesn't seem to apply to Krix specifically, so probably not. Especially given his scene of importance is basically as a Trando Uber-service. Would probably make more sense as info on the Trando's guild page.
  • Do you have the access to the Season 3 DVD? according to its article, there's a commentary by Dave Filoni on the naming of the episode's Trandoshans. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 21:42, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
    • No, not the DVD, which why I've tried to reach out for more info. I imagine the information isn't too different than Wookiee Hunt's episode guide which details the history on some of the Trando names. Would Krix have a history? Also, is that commentary only on the DVD? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:52, September 16, 2017 (UTC)
      • The commentary is only on the DVD. Probably would be good to ask around to see if the commentary mentions Krix. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 22:19, September 16, 2017 (UTC)
        • AV-6R7 has agreed to help once he gets a monitor for his disc player. So hopefully we'll have an answer soon. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:49, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
  • The image captions need full stops. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 19:22, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
    • The Layout Guide stipulates that only image captions that are full sentences get a full stop; thus the punctuation in Krix is correct as it is right now. 1358 (Talk) 19:26, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • You currently have the first use of Krix's name in the bio sourced to Padawan Lost but it needs to be sourced to Wookiee Hunt. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:26, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • Okay, though I was under the impression sourcing the name for the article subject wasn't necessary as long as we used the 1stID tag somewhere, but I often wrong. Fixed!
  • You can't source Clutch's name to Wookiee Hunt. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:26, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • It's in the credits.
      • Ah sorry, I was going off the 1stID on his page. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:36, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to include the quote about Krix's name from Dave Filoni in the BTS? Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:26, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • I'll find out and get back to this one.
      • Added. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:11, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
        • The BTS quote is a run-on, which I'm guessing is your punctuation creation, since I don't believe the TCW extras included subtitles. There probably needs to be a period after "I liked Krix". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:41, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
  • I've added audio files for the quotes. If you've got any issues with them then let me know and I'll fix them. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:26, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
  • It's possible I've just missed it, but where in Galactic Atlas does it date the Battle of Felucia to 20 BBY?Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:36, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
    • I'll admit I was going off of the Battle's own page here. Are you certain it's not in the book anywhere? I'll ask the person who added the source, but if it doesn't work, I believe I know how to rewrite the date note.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:13, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
      • Okay, with help from Lewisr and AV, how does that Date note appease? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:43, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
        • After cleaning up this reference note from the nominator's original version, I find this new version unsatisfactory. In what way does Galactic Atlas date these two TCW episodes to any year? That book doesn't date episodes (AFAIK); it dates events of episodes (and films), which is why this ref note was worded the way it was. I'd like to know what event Galactic Atlas is specifically referencing that we're extrapolating the episode's date from. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:41, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
        • Although Ayrehead has struck this objection, I still consider this completely unresolved and will treat this as a formal objection until this is addressed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:34, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
  • Again, maybe I've missed it, but where in the episode guide are the species of the other prisoners given? Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:47, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
    • It was in the original episode guide. The current one omits that slide. If I'm not mistaken, it was the only source for Morgo's, Vadoo's, and Lika's names. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 13:42, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
      • Huh I didn't realise any content was removed in the change over. Could you maybe note this in reference somehow? Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:54, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
        • I'm not the best at writing notes, but how is that? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:11, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
          • Wait a minute. What "original episode guide" are you referring to that had these names, and what section of the guide mentioned these names? If you're talking about this, we aren't treating those original episode guides as Canon, which would mean that these characters have never been named in Canon. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:41, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
            • I didn't know we weren't counting those anymore. Katt Mol would be the only one still identified if the other three prisoners have no other known mention. I can't imagine the other three would have name changes, so I wonder if that'd be worth asking the story group (And not just them, but any minor character named only in an older guide). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 08:37, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
              • We are treating the old guides as canon; we ironed this whole situation out just over a year ago. I’ll try to find the relevant SH discussion. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:06, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
                • Here we are: Forum:SH:Pablo Hidalgo on the canonicity of episode guides. I’d recommend reading the linked thread, since the wording is a little confusing. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:15, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
                  • Given that, it seems like the prisoner characters would still retain their names, as the paragraph/bullet point introducing them starts with "Also in the original script," indicating all of their names were in the script (Not to mention Vadoo was apparently meant to have a slightly lager role which was apparently shot for the episode). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:48, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
  • [Reset] So, what is the verdict on this? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:53, December 23, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators is also a lizard-like-sounding name
  • There's currently three [1] refs in a row in the second paragraph of the body. Imperators II(Talk) 22:55, March 19, 2018 (UTC)
    • Fixed; all of that info can be sourced to Padawan Lost. Katt Mol’s name is found in the credits. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 23:23, March 19, 2018 (UTC)
      • Tope asked for Katt Mol's name to be moved under the [5] ref, though I believe he didn't realize Mol's name was in the credits (Or he doesn't think that is substantial, guessing). Regardless, I moved it anyways, also for simplicity's sake so a ref isn't cutting a sentence in half when it doesn't necessarily half too. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:44, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

  • Have you watched the behind the scenes of the 'Wasskah arc' in the season three blu-ray? I seem to recall Kilian Plunkett commenting something regarding Krix's stockier build, that could be used as a quote. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 21:35, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
    • Hm, I hadn't considered those, actually. Do you have it on hand? Otherwise I can probably try to look into it myself. Thanks. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:45, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
      • "There was more of a concious effort to come up - sort of - different silhouettes and shapes and builds" - Kilian Plunkett on the creation of the Trandoshans in Padawan Lost (including Krix)Jim The Lamproid (talk) 21:13, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
      • What I also found of note is that Pat Presley was responsible for the designs of Krix and all other Trandoshans. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 21:27, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
        • Just curious, is that quote missing any words is that how they said it? Also thanks for the information! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:16, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
          • There's more to the quote but I didn't think it was necessary: "When we knew that we were gonna see more Trandoshans, rather than - sort of - take Bossk and revisit that but no do much to it - erm - we saw it as an opportunity to introduce much harder - sort of - reptillian shapes - erm - into the silhouettes that you see, and also just add a little bit more detail in the head so it wasn't quite as soft as the Bossk character turned out to be in Lethal Trackdown. There was more of a concious effort to come up - sort of - different silhouettes and shapes and builds." :) Jim The Lamproid (talk) 18:08, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
            • Alright, thanks. It's just that it looked like a word or so was missing, but then again, sometimes when speaking words are just plum left out sometimes. I was just wondering. Thanks again! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 06:24, August 17, 2017 (UTC)
              • Oh sorry, I misunderstood your question. It should be 'come up with' rather than 'come up', and no problem, i'm happy to help. Jim The Lamproid (talk) 08:41, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 10:56, March 20, 2018 (UTC)