Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Shirb system

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Shirb system

  • Nominated by: OtterSurf (talk) 08:33, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:

(3 ECs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. ECvote TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:11, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
  2. ECvote QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:53, September 16, 2019 (UTC)
  3. Zed42 (talk) 07:56, September 17, 2019 (UTC)
  4. ECvote Imperators II(Talk) 16:45, September 17, 2019 (UTC)
  5. —spookywillowwtalk 18:28, September 17, 2019 (UTC)
  6. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 09:41, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Zed
  • The grid coordinates should be mentioned in the BTS since that's currently infobox-exclusive.
  • This article formerly stated that the system was located on the Celanon Spur, as do the New Holgha and Celanon Spur articles. Is there a reason why it was removed?
    • I checked TEA, and it only lists Ciutric as being on the Spur. OtterSurf (talk) 09:00, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Is there a date for the invasion?
    • Added. OtterSurf (talk) 09:00, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done better. OtterSurf (talk) 09:14, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • The evidence in the reference note could still technically mean that the invasion happened in 26 ABY, if the start of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion occurred near the end of the year. Zed42 (talk) 09:28, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
        • The way I read it from the Chronology, the invasion began more or less at the start of 25 ABY. OtterSurf (talk) 11:00, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The BTS should also include the publication dates of the sources mentioned. Zed42 (talk) 08:50, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • You can use the {{ID}} template rather than {{C}} in the Sources section. Zed42 (talk) 09:28, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
Imp
  • The Essential Atlas places the Shirb system in grid square N-5 and designates that entire square as part of the New Territories. This must be reflected in the infobox and the body. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 13:46, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • Right now, you're referencing "that contained the world of New Holgha" to the Online Companion. That doesn't work. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Please upload an image for the infobox and create an image category for it. The Yuuzhan Vong War maps of the Atlas depict the system, and I'd go with one of the maps depicting the latter phases of the conflict given they show the system's environs more clearly. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Also, those maps clearly place the system on the Celanon Spur. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • There's ample precedent on our site, when describing a star system, to mention any known arrivals/departures in/from that system. For example, if Boba Fett: A Practical Man mentions Boba Fett was on New Holgha, you should mention that Fett traveled to New Holgha. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The Atlas listing the Shirb system as "New Holgha" in the Appendix is not "incorrect". It is named like that for convenience, and that's not meant to replace the system's canonical name. See here. Therefore, that bit should be removed from the BTS. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The mention of the Online Companion in the BTS adds no new information and should be removed. Imperators II(Talk) 12:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Context for Boba Fett. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 17:00, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • I'd prefer something clearer to the casual reader who might not be well-versed in Mando'a, i.e., leader of the Mandalorian Protectors or something to that effect. Imperators II(Talk) 17:05, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
        • Clarified. OtterSurf (talk) 17:41, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
          • You can pipelink to Manda'lor there. Imperators II(Talk) 17:47, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
          • You've added a redirecting link there. I suggest you go to your Preferences and enable highlighting all redirects. That will allow you to see when you're adding redirects in the future. Imperators II(Talk) 17:47, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Please see item No. 5 here regarding the first sentence of the article. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The Atlas Yuuzhan Vong War maps contain information that should be reflected: 1) in the Affiliation field of the article's infobox, and 2) as an affiliation category for the article. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • Added. OtterSurf (talk) 17:07, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • Regarding categorization, the same goes for Yuuzhan Vong. Imperators II(Talk) 17:11, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
        • There's no such category. OtterSurf (talk) 17:35, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
          • That means you should create it. Imperators II(Talk) 17:38, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
            • Created! OtterSurf (talk) 17:45, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
              • Good, now go back to that category you've created and 1) add an appropriate category to that category, and 2) add more (at least one more) pages to that category. Imperators II(Talk) 17:49, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
                • Done and done. Think I've found a new addiction. OtterSurf (talk) 17:57, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The table of contents should only be utilized when there are sections in the in-universe sections of the article. Since this article only has out-of-universe (BTS and further) sections, you should hide the TOC by specifying {{Eras|type=legends|notoc=1}}. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The semi-colon is unnecessary in this article, please make do without it. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • I can't find the mention of the Shirb system in the New Essential Chronology. Could you provide the page number please? Imperators II(Talk) 16:53, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • I added it as a source because of the 25 ABY information. If it's not apropos I'll remove it. OtterSurf (talk) 16:58, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • That's not how the Sources section on our site works, OtterSurf. You only list media under Appearances/Sources if they actually feature/mention the article's subject. Imperators II(Talk) 17:05, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The lead sentence is too long, please split it up. I feel like any mention of the objects contained within the system should follow the description of where the system is located, anyway. Imperators II(Talk) 17:51, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Please mention what systems the Shirb system was immediately linked to via the hyperlane. Imperators II(Talk) 18:19, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 18:50, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
      • Please change the mentions of the planets to mentions of star systems, as I requested on my original objection. The Atlas doesn't provide information on those worlds, just their systems. Imperators II(Talk) 18:59, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
Fan
  • "It was invaded by the Yuuzhan Vong during their invasion of the galaxy in 25 ABY." You use a form of invade twice in one sentence. I think the battle pipelink can be switched to "attacked" or something similar. Fan26 (Talk) 17:22, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
Anil
  • Does the novella confirm that the Shirb system, or the planet New Holgha, was aligned with the New Republic? If so, it should be reflected in the article as well. The system's NR allegiance is only mentioned in the article's infobox and categories anyway. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:18, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • It does state that the New Republic didn't act on Mandalorian intel to defend or evacuate the planet, so the New Republic was at least supposedly responsible for protecting New Holgha. There's no assertion that it was independent, either. OtterSurf (talk) 08:54, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
    • I've reflected this as best I can in the article. OtterSurf (talk) 09:22, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm afraid that doesn't satisfy my objection. The New Republic failing to protect a planet doesn't mean the world was a member of the Republic. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:22, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
        • I'll remove it then. There's no other info. OtterSurf (talk) 17:23, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
AV
  • I'd mention in the body that the Shirb system was also known as the New Holgha system, per The Essential Atlas and Online Companion. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 21:34, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • The CSWE entry for New Holgha specifies that it's a planet, so the article should be updated to reflect that. In case you don't have that source, it's volume II, page 374, and the entry is called "New Holgha". - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:08, September 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • I have it, but thanks anyway. Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:59, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm going to repeat what I told you above, OtterSurf. You only list a medium under Sources if it actually mentions the subject. Imperators II(Talk) 09:10, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
        • I could do without people giving me the wrong information. OtterSurf (talk) 09:39, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
          • First off, you just said yourself that you have the book, so you have absolutely no right to accuse other users of providing you with "wrong" information that you could just have checked yourself. Secondly, I believe you're misreading AV's objection, as it has to do with updating the article body's wording. Imperators II(Talk) 09:48, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
            • I see an objection and I act on it. I thought that was how this was supposed to work. In any case, I've already specified that New Holgha was a planet. OtterSurf (talk) 09:56, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
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Comments

Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 08:50, September 20, 2019 (UTC)