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Kotab
- Nominated by: SilverSunbird (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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UberSoldat93 
(talk) 07:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)- JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 07:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- LucaRoR
(Talk) 10:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC) - Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 04:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 18:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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UberSoldat
Since there are contradicting sources in the same project, the article needs {{Twoconflicting}}.UberSoldat93 (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done. SilverSunbird (talk) 06:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Publication dates needed for the SW.com article, the comic issue, and novel. Full dates should be introduced for the last two per Layout Guide, since they both released the same year.UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Am I correct in assuming that month and year is OK for the article, or does that one need a full date too? SilverSunbird (talk) 07:11, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've gone with full date per precedent. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've gone with full date per precedent. UberSoldat93
- Done. Am I correct in assuming that month and year is OK for the article, or does that one need a full date too? SilverSunbird (talk) 07:11, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Luca
I don't see the need of saying which Ceret's and Terec's first appearance is. Am I missing something?LucaRoR (Talk) 08:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- That was mentioned in the preview article, including in the quote I just added. It was a major part of the context of the existence of said article in the first place, and I don't think it's out of place. SilverSunbird (talk) 08:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Imp
For the record, per the comments below, I don't believe that the twins having two different homeworlds is necessarily a contradiction.Imperators II(Talk) 08:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)- I added a bit to the BTS about the possibility that they do have two homeworlds, which should probably do the trick here. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the idea that we should assume something is a contradiction if it isn't necessarily one. I'm sure Imri Cantaros is not the only Star Wars character out there with more than one homeworld. We should be only be resorting to judging something a contradiction if it cannot be reasonably assumed to not be one. This is an approach that, I might add as an example, we are using with articles on roleplaying game subject matter - if two things aren't mutually exclusive, we generally assume that both hold true. Imperators II(Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, reworded that. I assume by your comments that you don't agree with the {{Twoconflicting}} template's presence either? I'm still mulling over what I should or should not do about that in light of your objections. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I propose that, yes, you remove the header template and simply note in the body that Kotab was one of the two homeworlds of the twins, the other being Sagamore. Imperators II(Talk) 18:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done. SilverSunbird (talk) 18:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- And now there's no need for the last two sentences of the BTS, either. Imperators II(Talk) 08:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Removed, although I rather liked those sentences. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Good work! Imperators II(Talk) 18:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Removed, although I rather liked those sentences. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- And now there's no need for the last two sentences of the BTS, either. Imperators II(Talk) 08:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done. SilverSunbird (talk) 18:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I propose that, yes, you remove the header template and simply note in the body that Kotab was one of the two homeworlds of the twins, the other being Sagamore. Imperators II(Talk) 18:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, reworded that. I assume by your comments that you don't agree with the {{Twoconflicting}} template's presence either? I'm still mulling over what I should or should not do about that in light of your objections. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the idea that we should assume something is a contradiction if it isn't necessarily one. I'm sure Imri Cantaros is not the only Star Wars character out there with more than one homeworld. We should be only be resorting to judging something a contradiction if it cannot be reasonably assumed to not be one. This is an approach that, I might add as an example, we are using with articles on roleplaying game subject matter - if two things aren't mutually exclusive, we generally assume that both hold true. Imperators II(Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I added a bit to the BTS about the possibility that they do have two homeworlds, which should probably do the trick here. SilverSunbird (talk) 17:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- Do the two conflicting sources say that Ceret and Terec were born on Kotab/Sagamore? Or just that it was their homeworld/they were "from there"? Imperators II(Talk) 08:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The wording in the article is "Hailing from the planet Kotab". The book mentions the twins as being from Sagamore in a context indicating it is supposed to be their homeworld. SilverSunbird (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Right. But individuals in Star Wars can have more than one homeworld, can't they? (As long as the word isn't used in the sense of the place of birth.) Imperators II(Talk) 08:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's true, remembering Imri Cantaros. I'm not sure if that's the intent in this case, however, but I'll see what I can do. SilverSunbird (talk) 08:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Right. But individuals in Star Wars can have more than one homeworld, can't they? (As long as the word isn't used in the sense of the place of birth.) Imperators II(Talk) 08:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The wording in the article is "Hailing from the planet Kotab". The book mentions the twins as being from Sagamore in a context indicating it is supposed to be their homeworld. SilverSunbird (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 11:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)