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Ga'Garen Codex

  • Nominated by: —spookywillowwtalk 23:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 20:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 171 words (0 introduction, 115 body, 56 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:NOVELSWP:THR

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Support

  1. ECvote Objections resolved via Discord. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. ECvote Lewisr (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. OOM 224 (he/him) 09:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. Rising Storm namedropped a lot of things, would love to see them fleshed out in future material. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. Booply (talk) 20:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Object

Goodmind
Source: The High Republic: The Rising Storm
First he had consulted the Archives in the Great Temple, poring over countless textfiles and holocrons in the collection, even going so far as attempting to decipher the mysteries of the Ga’Garen Codex, the ancient grimoire whose text had confounded linguists for thousands of years.

Even then, sitting in the Archives, under the watchful gaze of the statues of the Lost, Elzar had heard the screams at the back of his mind, seen the faces of the slain in every reflective surface or passing Padawan.

--Goodmind (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
  • In canon, Great Temple is the primary usage of the title in capitalized form, and the Coruscant temple has never been explciitly identified in capitalized form as "Great Temple" outright. Having consulted with other ECs, I don't feel comfortable with including an assumption like that. Rising Storm and Light of the Jedi, as well as numerous other books in The High Republic, establish that sets of Jedi archives and libraries exist throughout the galaxy, much unlike when "archives" is mentioned in the Clone Wars-and-past era.—spookywillowwtalk 19:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
    • But does each Temple archives have statues of the Lost too? --Goodmind (talk) 20:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
      • We don't know. That's the great thing about The Rising Storm really—it establishes that there's so many Jedi temples and archives/libraries, and, like all other THR media, goes out of its way to ensure the reader knows that many Jedi are not raised on Coruscant, or don't visit it often or at all. The Corridor of the Lost referred to isn't necessarily in the Coruscant temple, and if that page were taken to status, that assumption would be removed. Irregardless, I don't care to include leaps that rely on assumptions of only one set of statues existing, especially given the context of the book is very inherently not-Coruscant-as-possible; it's possible it is on Coruscant, but equally or more likely it is not.—spookywillowwtalk 20:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
        • Sory to interject, but I believe the Jedi Temple in Legends has never been referred to as the "Great Temple"; all usages in Legends have been for Sith and other non-Jedi sites, so a Jedi "Great Temple" is a new concept. And who's to say a potentially new place doesn't have Archives and statues of the Lost as well, especially a place that the Jedi call the their "Great Temple." OOM 224 (he/him) 09:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
          • It's called "Jedi Grand Temple" in canon, seems like a similar thing, but nvm --Goodmind (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • Just to be sure since I couldn't find it, does the novel suggest that Tython was a sacred place?
    • It doesn't use the word sacred specifically, but does fit the definition of the word in the sense of it being "dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration," I think, since it mentions the ancients going to the seclusion island there and the Jedi are more or less a Force-religion.—spookywillowwtalk 01:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
  • "[Ty Yorrick] had never been Knighted, otherwise she would have been immortalized in the Corridor of the Lost in the Great Temple." Based on this passage and the one about the Codex, I feel like "the Archives in the Great Temple" that Mann consulted as a first resort is actually the Coruscant Temple and the Jedi Archives. What do you think? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Curiously, I'd originally been labeling it as the Yavin temple due to its name matching; as the Coruscant isn't ever identified as the "Great Temple." If it were in a later era I'd agree, but Rising Storm makes use of a lot of different Jedi outposts/temples and doesn't mention/visit Coruscant much at all (if you take out the Coruscant Dawn ship mentions), so hence the Great Temple (Ga'Garen Codex) being made to not assume either Yavin or Coruscant.—spookywillowwtalk 01:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
      • The book says Mann is "sitting in the Archives, under the watchful gaze of the statues of the Lost" --Goodmind (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • It does capitalize Codex when used on its own outside the full title.—spookywillowwtalk 23:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 20:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)