Please do not continue to change confirmed and sourced information in the Kaliida Nebula article. If you continue to do so, it will be seen as vandalism, and an administrator will block you. Furthermore, the {{SWArchive}} templates were correct. The new SW.com currently does not feature the old episode guides nor certain articles, so changing the correct SWArchive templates to {{SW}} will only show up as an error if one clicked on the link. JangFett(Talk) 18:46, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
I knew I should have left this bloody website a long time ago, but why did you remove all the correct information I added from the episode and from the Atlas? --Master Starkeiller 18:51, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Please, both of you, stop reverting each other and solve it on the talk page or here. Thank you for your cooperation. 1358(Talk) 19:22, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
Two things
Hello, please provide links to your talk page archives. Secondly, as per our signature policy, your signature has to contain a link to your userpage. Thanks. 1358(Talk) 13:52, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I do provide links to my user page archives. And done. --Master Starkeiller 14:13, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I am sure having the links actually visible would be better. 1358(Talk) 14:36, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I prefer them to be invisible. --Master Starkeiller 15:01, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I am also here to bring to your attention that your user signature is currently in violation of our Signature policy, which states that "You must include your actual user name, or an image depicting it, in your signature." Leaving "Master Starkeiller," "Starkeiller," or any variation thereof is no longer satisfactory given your recent user name change. Please revise your signature as appropriate. Thank you for your cooperation. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Archiving
In your recent moving-around in your talk page archives, this chunk of text seems to have disappeared]. As I'm sure you know, removing content from talk pages is not allowed. Please re-add the text back. Thank you for your cooperation. 1358(Talk) 13:39, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
It has not disappeared, just moved to a different archive page. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:13, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Darth Venimis
I thought the source cited for Darth Venimis came from an official statement from Random House. Might I have been mislead? 173.51.117.61 19:58, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Please do not engage others in edit wars in mainspace articles. Your edits in Darth Maul should be taken to the article's talk page if you feel that the information JRT2010 is adding into the article is incorrect. Keep it civil and polite and try to resolve this dispute without any unnecessary mannerisms. Thank you, JangFett(Talk) 20:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I thought there was a 3-revert rule. I didn't violate it, and had no intention of doing so. I provided my sources, and vouched not to edit it out again. So what is the problem? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:40, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I did read the novel and Plagueis specifically told Sidious not to train Maul as a true Sith Lord because doing so violated the Rule of Two. By the way, Plagueis only wanted to end the cycle of "apprentice killing master" started by Bane and Zannah, but he still kept the number of Sith Lords at two, which he intended to do forever (pg. 252). Sidious assured Plagueis that Maul would only be trained as a weapon (assassin)—someone to do the dirty work without Plagueis or Sidious risking exposure (pgs. 250 - 251). Even Maul confirmed this when he thought to himself about his suspicions that Sidious was holding him back. He was worried that he wouldn't be able to carry on the Grand Plan in case Sidious died because he didn't have the right training (pg. 302). Hence, Maul was more of a dark acolyte or a secret apprentice than an actual Dark Lord of the Sith. Take Galen Marek for example. He was given Sith training, but we don't call him a Sith Lord because there were already two (e.g. Sidious and Vader); the Plagueis novel reveals that the same applied to Maul now. If you have anything that could counter my sources, then I'll drop the matter. If not, then "Dark Lord of the Sith" has to be taken out of the Maul article because based on the sources I've provided from the Plagueis novel, Darth Maul wasn't a true Sith Lord. JRT2010 14:41, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a specific page, for I only own an electronic copy of the novel, but I will point you to the final chapter, where Sidious explains to Plagueis that he tricked him and trained Maul as his Sith apprentice, the "true intermediary" of the Grand Plan. The original arrangement was, as you said, that he would not be trained as a Sith, but as an assassin to do the Sith dirty work, an assassin who was to know nothing of the Grand Plan, but the original arrangement was not honored by Sidious, who bestowed upon Maul the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, as is explicitly stated in Star Wars Journal Episode I : Darth Maul and mentioned in the article. The fact that there was an extra Dark Lord alive at the time does not in any way invalidate his Sith-hood, no more than it invalidates Plagueis's Sith-hood in the case of Venamis, if indeed Tenebrous bestowed the title upon him as well as upon Plagueis. Remember that The Tenebrous Way reveals that Tenebrous never really trained Plagueis. They just violated the Rule of Two, like most of the Sith it applied to, as the novel reveals. -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:38, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
You make some good points, but there's still one problem: Darth Venemis admitted that he wasn't a true Sith Lord, despite his training and the "Darth" title. When he confronted Plagueis, he said, "Your death will legitimize the title". He confessed that he wasn't a true Dark Lord of the Sith because the role of master and apprentice had already been filled by Tenebrous and Plagueis. Also, you have to consider the fact that Star Wars Journal Episode I : Darth Maul is an older source, written long before the plot was created for the Plagueis novel. My understanding of the situation is that the Plagueis book reveals that Maul was only led to believe that he was a Dark Lord of the Sith; he never knew that Sidious still had a master. What's more, I've read the whole book, including the last chapter, and no where does Sidious specifically refer to Maul as a "true" Sith Lord. He simply says he'll continue to use him as an assassin; someone who'll take all the risks that Sidious couldn't afford to take. But if the Maul article still refers to him as a "Dark Lord", then it should at least be clear that he wasn't a Dark Lord under the Rule of Two. Neither was Venemis since, as I said before, he admitted to his own illegitimacy. JRT2010 22:40, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
That he was a Dark Lord in violation of the Rule of Two should, of course, be mentioned (which is very interesting when we consider that the Rule of Two was first mentioned in reference to Maul), but the older sources identifying him as a Dark Lord of the Sith should not be discarded, since there are no contradictions. I believe no source mentions Galen Marek as a Dark Lord of the Sith, and the Venamis situation is yet unclear, so the cases are not really comparable. Whether Maul is a "true" Sith Lord or a Sith Lord in name only is a conversational topic; his right to go by the title of Dark Lord of the Sith is, on the other hand, of encyclopedic importance. Remember that the only authority in the Sith world are the Sith themselves; there is none to impose the Rule of Two other than the two it refers to, so, if you think about it, to ask them not to violate is like telling a child not to eat off the cookie jar you have placed on its bedstand. Sidious chose to violate it, and indeed he violated it by training Maul as a Sith and making him a Dark Lord and a Darth. Perhaps Tenebrous violated it with Venamis, perhaps not. Again, if we go down the "Bane purist" path, per The Tenebrous Way, Darth Maul has a far more solid claim on true Sith-hood than Plagueis ever did. -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:09, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Whether Maul had more claim to being a Sith Lord than Plagueis is debatable. In terms of power and knowledge, however, definitely not. The fact that he was the apprentice of an apprentice does not help his case if we look at it in the "Bane purist" sense. But as for the Dark Lord stuff, I have no further objections, as long as it's made clear that Maul was not a Dark Lord in accordance with the Rule of Two. JRT2010 23:35, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Of course, although I think that the correct phrasing would be: "Maul was a Dark Lord in violation of the Rule of Two." -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 10:34, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Wookieepedian of note
Just curious as to what contribution to Star Wars canon you have made. GethralkinHyperwave 03:29, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I was one of the co-authors of the backstory for Olana Chion and Silya Shessaun through What's the Story. Now that was fun. But alas, Lucasfilm's SW policy has changed since then, and a visit to SW.com will make it clear to anyone that the devoted SW geek is no longer a priority for the company. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't realize that Hyperspace was discontinued. I took it for granted that it was a part of what being a Star Wars fan was all about. I wish I signed up when I had the opportunity to do so some time ago. Going to a university doesn't exactly lend itself to maintaining hobbies that require expense. GethralkinHyperwave 15:17, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
For me, What's the Story alone was worth the price of Hyperspace. The whole Ep. III era was a great time for the Star Wars community. Sadly, Hyperspace is now gone, and gone unsung at that. Going back to SW.com is depressing; all the content us gone, replaced with flashy Flash effects with big letters and pictures that pre-schoolers can understand. And I can't even log into my account. Company policy has apparently changed a lot since then, and all I see is: target the kiddies. I guess this site, for all its constipatory shortcomings, is a ray of SW geek sunshine, isn't it? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Unidentified Muun youngling
Hi, please note that is generally frowned upon to make large changes to an article that has been nominated for, in this case, Comprehensive article status. If you think changes should be made to the article, then the proper thing to do would be to raise objections on the nomination page. Thanks, nayayen★talk 22:41, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the info. I didn't know. But what exactly constitutes large changes? I didn't move around any paragraphs or so, only corrected mistakes (we don't know whether he was from Muunlinst, and the article claimed he was, the Damask residence linked was a different house, and I changed a few words that were repeated too close to one another). --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:53, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I am OK with the changing, so thanks for clarifying things. 501st Dogma(Comlink) 22:55, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
As I said, I was only making corrections, yes, a few stylistic ones, but basically I saw errors and that's why I hit the edit button. I didn't even notice the tag. I appreciate you walking me through the bureaucracy, Nayayen, I'd just like to know if my changes were considered "major." --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:00, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, the diff link I posted must change with subsequent edits, I was referring to these changes where you added a whole new paragraph at the start which almost entirely rewrote the first few sentences. Small changes like grammatical fixes in a copyedit and correcting links are fine, but anything more should really be raised as an objection to the nomination. That being said, 501st Dogma is fine with the changes and it isn't immediately obvious at first that raising an objection first is the best thing to do, so there's no harm done really. Just keep it in mind for the future =) nayayen★talk 23:10, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I will. But again, my changes were corrective in nature, not stylistic. I removed the Muunilinst info, which was unsupported by the source material, and added a timeline placement in its place, with a supportive note. Then I just separated the paragraphs to let the text breathe. That's why I rewrote the first sentence, because there was nothing in the published source to support it, it was in error. I'd like to know, in a different case than this, even if I know a particular detail to be in error, does etiquette still demand that I not take outright action? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
For regular articles, there is no issue. However, with Featured Article, Comprehensive Article, or Good Article Nominations, it is a bit different. Most single-instance punctuation or grammatical fixes—or even a minor edit to fix a cited source or template use, etc.—are considered okay and called "sofixits," a term that is even put into the edit summary of the fix. However, fundamental changes to all or part of an nominated article—when the nominator who will receive credit for making sure the article meets the criteria set for FANs, CANs, or GANs—is generally considered intrusive. Reaction varies with the individual—I am usually okay with additional help, and apparently 501st Dogma is, too. Just be aware that not everyone is and, in fact, most are not. GethralkinHyperwave 05:03, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
That I understand. But my question was about corrections: I stepped in because there were errors in the article. Are editors not supposed to take immediate action beyond "sofixits" even when there are errors? If, for example, we had a Featured Article on Napoleon that claimed that he was from Sardinia, not Corsica, should I not step in with a patent disregard for whatever restriction? Of course, I offer this merely as an example. The errors in the article in question were, unlike the Sardinian Napoleon, minor, as, I maintain, were my corrections. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:19, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
I think Gethralkin summed it up quite well. Leaving an objection means that the nominator can handle the changes in the way that they'd prefer and, if necessary, can explain why they might disagree with such changes. Personally, if it were my nomination, I'd rather you didn't "step in with a patent disregard for whatever restriction". If explicit factual corrections need to be made, you should point them out to the nominator as the onus is on them to correct them. Saying to the nominator, "How very encyclopedic to assume. Let me help." and proceeding to make a correction which the nominator had previously reverted is not how to handle it. nayayen★talk 14:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
I see. Then I shall not be worrying about the quality of this website's articles from this point forward. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:08, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think there is a misunderstanding concerning noms, here. There is only a limited time for the nom to pass or fail. The nominator gets the privilege of adding the credit of passing a nom. If a nom fails, then it means that the editor that nominated it did not meet the objections and bring the article up to the quality needed to pass. Voters making objections actually help establish standards that go on record (and are archived), whereas making sofixits without comment do not receive the same dignity. In this way the nominations and their objections actually improve the standards of other articles written. Does that make sense? GethralkinHyperwave 22:36, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Not to me. I have to be honest, I don't understand any of this. It sounds to me like a whole load of useless bureaucracy, like most things pertaining to how this place is run. See mistake and/or omission, fix it, move on, that's all one needs to do in order to make this site better if you ask me. The whole social element of editing can be an impediment to quality. Accuracy ought to be the alpha and quality the omega, everything else just gets in the way. And now that the official site is kid-oriented with big pictures and preschooler prose and links to Wookieepedia for real info, we shoulder a responsibility second only to the Encyclopedia's in terms of "SW education." --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
(reset indent) I don't quite see how an increasingly thorough process of peer review is a pointless bureaucracy. The whole point of the status nomination pages is to ensure accuracy and quality of those articles. Currently only 56 of the 90,824 articles on Wookieepedia are undergoing the nomination process. The other 90,768, yes, we actively encourage you to fix mistakes you see, as you see them. All we ask is that for those few that are nominated articles, you provide the courtesy to the nominator of letting them fix the error themselves. If you don't want go through the formalities of making an objection, you can write on the user's talk page and inform them of the correction that needs to be made. That still gets the issue across, but doesn't step on people's toes in the process. nayayen★talk 23:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
That is bureaucracy as I understand the term: An editor having to go through another editor in order to act on something. In any case, that's how the place is run, end of story. I don't like it, but it's not up to me to decide how to run it. Still, because I feel we now shoulder a greater responsibility than before, I urge everyone to be ruthlessly scholastic; mistakes should be crushed underfoot promptly and without hassle. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:46, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Imperial family
Yeah, but it's fine. I just put Palpatine's mother and siblings back in the family tree. Also, I took out the line connecting Ederlathh to Cosinga since we do not actually know if she is related to the Emperor on his paternal or maternal side of the family. Yes, Ederlathh could be the granddaughter of both Cosinga and his wife, or just one of them. JRT2010 05:04, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
I believe she is mentioned as a "remote grandniece," so I think it's neither. "Remote" probably means that she is not the grandchild of one of Palpatine's siblings, but the grandchild of one of his cousins, a distant cousin like 3rd+. But seeing that you're handy with family trees, can you also separate Volpau? There are three ways I can think of he is Palpatine's third cousin: either through Cyrano de Palpatine, as we have it now, or through Palpatine's mother, or a third cousin by marriage. We don't know their exact relationship, and the tree, as it stands, is in error. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 09:05, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
"Remote" denotes her distant relation to Palpatine. Technically speaking, she is his "distant relative" (i.e. great-niece, or grand-niece, same thing). Also technically speaking, as his great-niece she would also have to be the granddaughter of a sibling of Palpatine's, not a distant cousin. A great-niece is the daughter of one's nephew or niece. This is, of course, assuming that her blood relationship with Palpatine is genuine. As for Volpau, I removed the line linking his side of the family to Palpatine's great-grandfather. I also added a footnote which explains how he is identified as Palpatine's third cousin in a canonical source, but beyond that, the relation between them remains unclear.JRT2010 10:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, then, what does one call the grandchildren of one's cousin if not grandnephews/nieces? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
If I may intermeddle, the children of one's cousin are called "second cousins". The grandchildren of one's cousin are "second cousins once removed". (I'm meddling here because this question about Ederlatth puzzles me too.) LelalMekha 15:08, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that. So, Ederlatth can indeed only be related to Palpatine through a brother or sister. In any case, the source implied that a "remote grand-niece" was Palpatine's only living relative, which is cool. No doubts about how the kid was orphaned with a great-uncle like that! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:30, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
That's why I'm not to keen on the deletion of the "Palpatine's unknown sibling" article ; true, Dark Empire Sourcebook doesn't mention them, even indirectly. But if Ederlathh is indeed Palpatine's grandniece, then this person must have existed. By ther way, I made a mistake: the grandchildren of your cousin are your "first cousins twice removed"... (see this link[1]). Sorry for being wrong in the first place, but I'm not native English speaker, you see. LelalMekha 16:06, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
No, that page has to go. The only thing it has for support is the mention of a "remote grand-niece" and that's far too slim. I think we shouldn't be that liberal with our sources -- if contradictions exist, we just point them out in the behind the scenes section. We don't need a Phooeye Duck ("[2]") page. One of the siblings he murdered could have had children, or Ederlatth is not related to him, at least not as a grandniece. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:27, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, where did you hear the name "Cyrano de Palpatine?"JRT2010 20:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
I just came up with it. Fear not, it's not canon. Yet. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 01:06, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Amusing still. Cyrano de Bergerac is a wonderful play, and Savinien Cyrano de Bergerac was a pleasing author. But, prithee, Cyrano was not foolish! ;-) LelalMekha 09:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
I know nothing of the real man. The Cyrano character in the play is a certain flavor of foolish, though -- perhaps I should have said brash, impulsive. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:00, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well, yes, sometimes being brash may look overly foolish. But as long as it's done with panache, I'm fine with it, mon cher monsieur. ;-) The real man's plays are not easy to read, though, even for a Francophone - the humor is based on the weirdness and excessive complexity of the language. LelalMekha 16:37, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Panache I understand. If only we had more Cyranos around. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:43, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Cyrano de Palpatine?
Hello. You've been mentioning a "Cyrano de Palpatine" several times lately. I was curious to know where this comes from. Could you enlighten me, please ? =) LelalMekha 18:30, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
Came up with it. According to the Plagueis novel, Palpatine's great-grandfather was a foolish young idealist who got himself killed in a duel of honor. Don't mind my sense of humor (or lack thereof). --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 01:05, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
Cosinga
Hi R5. I've noticed you doing a lot of work on Cosinga's article recently, so I thought I'd drop you a line and say you're doing a great job! Would you mind casting an eye over my most recent post on his talk page? I'm thinking of starting a CT thread about it, but thought I garner some general opinion first. Thanks for all your hard work! Jayden Matthews 16:53, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Some of my hard work was removed as fanon just today, and I have no heart to do any more. Thanks anyway. I was about to make pages for his mistress and her brother, but now I just don't feel like it. I like your idea. You should go ahead and make a formal proposal in the Moffship or whatever is needed to move it forward. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 17:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I think a CT is needed for something like this. I don't see why that needed to be removed, something to the same effect is, and has been on Palpatine's article for as long as I can remeber. I was going to make the "Bon Tapola's opponent" page as well, so I might get on to that later. Don't be discouraged, though. You're doing well! Jayden Matthews 17:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I've started a CT. Jayden Matthews 17:53, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Good job. I like the color. Now the hunt for appropriate characters begins. As for the etymology issue, it is indeed widespread practice to include etymologies outside of officially licenced works, so I am going to pursue the matter further. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 18:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I've done all the relevant characters in the "bureaucrat" category, as well as most of the "legal proffesionals". No doubt their are serveral thousand more that can use it, but I'll get to them in time. Also I've created the Bon Tapalo's opponent article. Just so we don't repeat ourselves. Jayden Matthews 16:06, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
Hi, please note that you should have links to your archived talk pages on your current page; I could only find them myself via Special:PrefixIndex. As talk page archives are supposed to be a public record, not having them easily accessible defeats the point. Thank you, nayayen★talk 20:52, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
I do provide links. Other than that, there is nothing I am willing to do. I presume I do reserve that right? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:03, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
It's not a case of whether or not you are willing, the links as you have them now (superscript, background-coloured full-stops) are not easily accessible. I understand that you might want to hide them due to embarrassment regarding previous actions, but going out of your way to make things difficult for other users is not helpful. Please change them to normal text links. Thank you, nayayen★talk 22:22, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry if that is a problem for whatever reason, but, as I said before, there is nothing I am willing to do regarding the matter. But if my willingness does not factor into it, am I to assume you can force me? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:43, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
No, I can't personally force you, although per #5 under the blocking policy, purposefully hindering users would reasonably fall under disruption. Also bear in mind your attitude in the Senate Hall which no fewer than three users, including an administrator, took exception to. I don't see why common sense can't prevail in seeing that something like "1i234" is more helpful than your current "links". Thanks, nayayen★talk 23:27, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
And I should take exception to you doing what you just did, but hey, I guess I'm a large guy. A far more civil and indeed civilized option would be simply banning me, or blocking me or whatever it is, and leave it at that. Please don't pursue this any further. Thanks in advance. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:31, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Question
Hello, R5 (and the rest). I'm quite sad that things seem to get rough, here. But as a matter of fact, I like your panache, even if it my get detrimental to you. I'd like to ask something. As you can seen, I can kinly produce bad prose in English. My passive skills in the language are much better than my active skills - I seriously lack conversation practice, I fear. I used to be a B2 (upper intermediate) level, but I fear my skills have dramatically dwindled. This is what refrains me from trying to make lenghty phrases or articles here. Your own prose seems to fit the way I would write in French, and I wanted to ask you if we could have some kind of collaboration. I'm intending to make an article about the player character in Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center, but I'm way too unsure of my prose. So I'd like to know if you could help me revise and rewrite it.LelalMekha 11:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
It flatters me that you would turn to me for this. Just do the first draft, and I'd be happy to do a second. Regrettably, I can offer no help with original work -- Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center is not among my collection of children's Ep. I Starwarsiana. I assume you are referring to the redlinks in the article? By the way, if you think your conversational English isn't very good, you should hear me speak French! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:28, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
The redlinks, yes. But I also intend to create an "unidentified new Jedi Jedi" article, as it is clear the player is an in-game IU character, just like the young droid builder in Star Wars: DroidWorks. With all the missions that are mentioned in the game, I think a respectable article can be made. (So you do speak French to some extent?)LelalMekha
Go ahead. Just drop me a word when you have a draft. Again, I'm sorry I can offer absolutely no help with the first stage of writing. (It cannot be said that I speak French; only that I comprehend some French. Apparently, the French Republic believes I know enough to display a 1er degré DELF on my wall. At this point, I beg to differ.) --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:41, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I'll try to make a first draft and then send it to you. (1er degré DELF, I see. I'm a French teacher, you see, so this gives a pretty clear indication on your actual level - though you seem to contest it). LelalMekha 11:53, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
It's just that my skills are rusty. As you said, practice is essential. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:13, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
The Victory Races of Naboo were organized to celebrate the friendly relations between the Naboo and the Gungans—two of the key players in the recent reconciliation between the two peoples, QueenAmidala of the Naboo and Bombad General of the Grand ArmyJar Jar Binks, were to participate. The young Jedi recruit was tasked to advise the racers on choosing from the available paths through the variety of terrains the race circuit covered. It is known that the youngling actually favored one of the competitors.
Hunt for the remaining battle droids
Despite the fact that the Federation Droid Control Ship had been destroyed, deactivating the B1-Series battle droids and droidekas stationed on Naboo, active battle droids were discovered destroying the Gungan sacred forests. The Jedi recruit was tasked with helping Jar Jar Binks activate droid traps hidden throughout the woods. The traps were triggered by a drum-like mechanism.
Fixing the Queen's computer
Due to another of Jar Jar Binks' mistakes, Amidala's personal computer on her royal starship had malfunctioned. This resulted in the loss of many files of great importance to the Queen. The recruit fixed the computer and restored many valuable pictures related to the conflict on Naboo.
Programming C-3PO
The protocol droidC-3PO had been left unfinished on Tatooine by his creator, the young Anakin Skywalker. Yoda tasked the Jedi recruit to travel to Tatooine and program stories into the droid's memory. The young Jedi programmed several tales or anecdotes related to Anakin, Amidala and the Jedi, into C-3PO.[1] Despite this fact, the droid would claim that he never was good at storytelling.[2]
Search for the sacred clams
The doors leading to the clamshells artifacts in the Gungan caves.
On Naboo, Master Kenobi needed help in finding four sacred clamshells inside the ancient Gungan Caves, and the recruit was sent to assist him. Each relic was hidden behind a sealed door, and the youngling had to find the ten jewel keys required to open them. The recruit successfully discovered the jewels hidden in various places in the caves system, relying on visual cues such as plants or rocks. Once the doors were opened, the clamshells finally revealed their treasures.
A songbook for Anakin
Anakin Skywalker had been forced to leave Tatooine and his mother in order to join the Jedi Order, and it was suggested to the recruit that he help put together a songbook to remind Anakin of his home planet. The youngling was sent on Tatooine, where he worked with a Bithband to write and record a few dozens songs, including Growing up on Tatooine, Ja Ja Jabba and I Want to Go to Naboo.[1]
Behind the scenes
In the Lucas Learning educational video game Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center, the player assumes the role of a promising Jedi recruit. The game never specifies the recruit's name or gender, allowing players to identify with the character. The game is targeted at children aged six to eight.
Unlike most player characters in the adult Star Wars games (like Meetra Surik or Jaden Korr), the Jedi recruit was never reused or given an identity in later canon, and to date, their ultimate fate is unknown.
What page does it say she died before? Just wondering, cause I don't remember - I've got the book in front of me now. --Cade Calrayn 23:13, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
I own an electronic version, so I can't point you to a page. But the whole explanation the Killiks give is that she goes through a cycle of imprisonments and escapes, but then when they kill her, the cycle is explained as more of a cycle of deaths and resurrections. Obviously, stating that she could be killed before would kill the suspense, so only after she has been killed is it revealed that she has died before. It's in the penultimate chapter, where Luke thinks about how long it will be until she returns. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
Uh, not only that, but if the last cycle closed when Centerpoint Station was built, as the Killiks suggest in the novel, then Abeloth is not at least 100,000, but at least 1,000,000 years old. Missing a zero there.... Unless the Centerpoint Station article is in error, someone should fix that in the Abeloth article. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 00:25, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
The last cycle did not close when Centerpoint was built - that was the start of the cycle. It was built to lock her up after the Ones left their home planet, leaving her there. She escaped several times since then, and the Son and Daughter put her back (the picture of the Gree sacrificing some reptile species to her was one of her escapes). The cycle was broken when Anakin refused to be the new Keeper of the Balance and the Ones killed each other, leaving no one to stop Abeloth when Jacen released her. But I do agree with the 1,000,000 date - if Centerpoint was built approximately 1,000,000 BBY, then Abeloth is at least 1,000,044 years old when she was killed by Luke and Krayt. Older than that, even, because she lived about half a mortal lifetime with the Ones before she became Abeloth. —CadeCalrayn 16:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, so the Killiks build the station to contain her, then she escapes during times of strife, and they put her back in her place, over and over again. Thanks for clearing it up. The whole thing is dreadfully confusing. What Mr. Denning took no time to explain was why moving six habitable planets in orbit around a single star was necessary for keeping a deranged woman stranded on a planet at the other side of the galaxy. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 17:05, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
True, but it "adds to the mystery of the Celestials"—Oooh. We still don't know what Kessel was for, either. Or the Vultar system. Or the Hapes Cluster or the Cron Cluster... the list goes on and on. Ah, we may never know. —CadeCalrayn 20:51, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
My best guess is that the Celestials fell victim to the bane of godhood: boredom. Just as Zeus had nothing better to do than rape girls, the Celestials had nothing better to do than make large (very, very large)-scale intergalactic art. And then they got past that and turned to monasticism. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 20:55, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, that was an... interesting analogy. Hey, here's a thought - what if after they built Centerpoint the Son and Daughter decided to keep on building, and they just tried to one up each other? Then the Father got tired of their leaving their "toys" around the galaxy and grounded them on Mortis. HA! —CadeCalrayn 22:08, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Think about it, Centerpoint Station is a colossal phallic symbol. An out-of-control competion on who will build the biggest penis in the universe is reason enough to ground your kids for life. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Ref tags
Hi, just a note that, when adding references to articles, you only actually need to use {{Ref|<ref>}} in the infobox (needs to be done for technical reasons). In the rest of the article you can simply use the plain <ref name="example" />. Cheers, nayayen★talk 17:41, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
Hello R5, I see that you have handled updating FA Janus Greejatus with Plagueis info. Just some things to point out: you need to also update the intro, and also you have left several paragraphs unsourced. In addition, with the "How he first met his political benefactor is not known" part, does the novel say it is unknown, because if not then that violates the rules of this site's manual of style. Overall, good job updating a featured article though, I hope none of the Plagueis articles ever get delisted for not being updated in time. Hanzo Hasashi 04:57, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
I will get to updating the intro. I also did not know that each paragraph needs a citation; I thought citations were needed only when the source changed. As for the "not known when they met" part, the novel does not mention how the met, and I incorporated that in the prose, as I've seen it in many articles here; I will change that as well. I will also look into other Featured Plagueis articles in need of updating. Thanks for bringing these issues to my attention. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 06:33, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
As a whole, good job. Just one more thing: I wonder if this is from Plagueis: "the Naboo possessed a distinctly more multicultural mindset than their new representative in the Senate, who was working with a closed-borders policy." This is the only thing still left uncited. Hanzo Hasashi 22:34, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. That sentence was there before I started working on the article. I believe it is from the Databank entry. Oh, and I also worked on the Sun Guard, but there are some events and mentions in the novel that I have not incorporated into the article. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:33, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
I actually realized that it was from the Databank, and fixed it. With regards to Sun Guard, are you planning to fully update it? If not, hopefully someone else will handle it, since I know of other users who have that book. Hanzo Hasashi 01:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'll take on the Sun Guard later today. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:47, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Plagueis
Hello R5, I'm Skenar from the Spanish Star Wars Wiki and I want to know if you would like to improve the article of Darth Plagueis along with me. I have translated all the article from here to there, so if you have read The Tenebrous Way, Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side and other sources about Plagueis, do you want to make Plagueis article better, so I can translate it to the Spanish wiki? I can't do it alone because first I don't have any of that sources, and second because I'm not an English native speaker so I wouldn't know exactly how to organize the article, but you would sure do. I can help you with anything you want if you decide to improve the article. I put this message on your talk page because I've seen you know some things about Plagueis. Thank you.----Skenar(Talk) 12:11, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'd be glad to, as I have both the sources you mentioned. What I do not have, however, is the time to properly tackle the information. It's a LOT OF WORK. Don't forget there is a 350-page novel -- the most detail-packed novel in SW history in fact -- about Plagueis. I see that the Spanish-language article follows the English version closely. I can work on little things, and I will within the week, but the article, as it is now, incorporates less than 50% of the information available in the novel, and about 0,0001% of the information available in Book of Sith. Two people can't do it. But I will start by adding new sections. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:08, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Hi, R5. Just wanted to suggest that if you are going to be making any mass changes to the Plagueis page, then please insert an {{Inuse}} template at the top of the article before you begin editing. —GethralkinHyperwave 14:19, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the first improvements, R5. I have already translated all your changes. I understand what you say about the novel, but if you at least do some improvements, I will be grateful and it will be good for the article. A question: I named you three sources: The Tenebrous Way, Star Wars: Darth Plagueis and Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side. But on my talk page, you said that you have both of the sources you mentioned. As far as I know from Enlighs, both means the two, but we were talking about three sources. So do you have only two of that sources (in that case, which of them?) or am I wrong, and both means all of them?----Skenar(Talk) 01:43, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
A slip of the tongue -- or rather, the keyboard. I am in error, not your knowledge of English. Indeed I have all three -- the Darth Plagueis novel, Book of Sith, and The Tenebrous Way. That last one is fairly well covered -- I'd say 80% -- and all that's missing is the murder scene from Tenebrous's point of view. All the information on Plagueis included in The Tenebrous Way doesn't go beyond: Tenebrous thinks he's an idiot, he didn't train him properly, he was meant to be infected, Tenebrous thinks he's an idiot. Book of Sith has some interesting information about Plagueis's beliefs and goals that is entirely missing from the article, but the novel, oh the novel is just a heavy load. I will be frightfully busy this coming week, but after that I'll sit down and get all the meat onto the article if no one else has done it by then. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 01:56, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the information about the sources, R5, and thank you for accept improving the article. If I can help you in anyway, please tell me. Next time would you answer on my talk page? I don't know how things works here, but I think it's better if you answer there because an advise appears on my screen and I realize I have a message.----Skenar(Talk) 03:19, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Have you already put everything from The Tenebrous Way?----Skenar(Talk) 23:59, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Unidentified young recruit: nearly there
Hello. I wanted to thank you again for your help on this. Eyerezer told me the article could be turned into a good article with a few more changes. That is good news, indeed. And I owe part of this to you.--LelalMekha 23:47, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I actually wrote a paragraph for the Jar Jar Binks article, but I didn't include it into the article yet: "In the months following the endgame of the Battle of Naboo, Jar Jar Binks got involved into the restoring of the peace on the planet. With the help of a precocious Jedi youngling, General Binks got rid of the last battle droids that were chopping down the trees of the Sacred Forest. As a key player in the reconciliation between the cultures of Naboo, Jar Jar Binks also participated in the Victory Races at Theed. Mounted on a kaadu, he competed against his friend Amidala."
Since then, I also created the "Ambush on Tatooine (Darth Maul)" article, but i seems to be a real mess of an article... It's been marked with a cleaning tag, so I guess there is work ahead.--LelalMekha 12:10, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. This is in my sandbox #2. Any help in checking the spelling and grammar is always appreciated.--LelalMekha 13:40, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Image uploads
Hi there, with regards to File:Dooku's Naboo headquarters.jpg, if a picture is already on the site then there is no need to upload it again. Just use the one that's already uploaded. In this case, uploading your higher quality version as a .jpg rather than a .png would avoid creating duplicate files and, per the image policy, would be a more suitable file type to use. If you see other images that you can upload a higher quality version of, please bear this in mind. Thanks, nayayen★talk 13:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Intro
Hey R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2, try not to create references in the intro of an article. I noticed you did this in the Lake Country article. Thanks, JangFett(Talk) 23:08, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Book of Sith images
Well, hello. Iv'e seen your message. Do you need any picture in particular?--LelalMekha 21:09, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'll see what I can dig up. By the way, can I ask you, if you have time, to take a look at the metamorphosis article? I mean, can you check its syntax, orthography and vocabulary? Most of it is my prose, so I guess it can be made better.--LelalMekha 21:20, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
Marvelous. Great minds think alike, don't they? Or as we say in French, les beaux esprits se rencontrent. --LelalMekha 21:30, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
I guess the "Grand Plan pic" you're looking for is this one?
The masterminds of the underworld are merely puppets of the Sith.
It does look great. About the metamorphosis article, I guess if Ros Lai's case is just masquerade, the it clearly isn't metamorphosis, and it shouldn't be in the article at all... But if it were a Force illusion, why would one see her turn back into her true shape progressively? (I tried to give my arguments here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ros_Lai but it cannot convince everyone, I guess. Maybe it's just in my head.)--LelalMekha 22:04, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
You clearly have a point there. :) But there's one thing on which I just can't agree with you ; on the "young witch Charal" picture, young captioned this: "Charal utilizes the Talisman of the Raven to change form". I object, because the Talisman of the Raven can only turn you into a raven. It seems clear, per the Book of Sith, that Transformation Talismans have super-specialised properties. That means she just couldn't use the Talisman of the Raven to turn into that jeune blonde. In addition, she clearly didn't use her ring in this scene, only her cloak.--LelalMekha 22:19, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
A Nightsisters Wookieeproject?
Last night, I was pondering about proposing a Wookieeproject revolving around the Nightsisters and their culture ; there are at least 70 articles that are concerned, and many of them could do with some cleaning. But I'm a little afraid to launch such a project as I am an unassuming member of this wiki... I'd like to know if you'd join such a project if it existed, and if you knew other Wookieepedians who would be interested. Cheers. --LelalMekha 14:29, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, but I was not thinking of an immediate and urgent project. I'll have to take my numerous exams, too. ;-) I do understand your take on this all, though. But I wouldn't be as radical as you are ; though most of their powers have been depicted as mind tricks, not all of them have. Dave Wolverton clearly depicted Witches of Dathomir using telekinetic powers or weather charms. This, however, isn't a reason to turn them into Merlinesque magicians the way TCW did...--LelalMekha 14:48, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
Quoi de neuf ?
Hello, RX. What are you up to? I'm about to take a "Wookiee vacation" in order to take my numerous exams, but I first wanted to work on a few more Nighstsisters related articles before. I've greatly expanded the "Talisman of the Raven" article, though I'm still unsure my wording and phrases actually make sense. I'm still wainting for more votes to support the GA nomination this "Unidentified young new recruit" you helped me on, but I'm pretty sure it'll be accepted in time. Friendly yours.--LelalMekha 10:45, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Your educated guess about the Talisman of Young Age sounds clever to me -- I came up with the same conclusion in my head a few days ago. But, as you remind, this is pretty much unconfirmed. We could ask Dan Wallace on Twitter, maybe. As far as the GANom is concerned, I do not know whether you can vote or not, but Eyerezer did, and he helped me a lot too on that one. If you have a bit of time in the upcoming days, would you do me the favor to proofread the "Talisman of the Raven" article?LelalMekha 12:27, May 6, 2012
Hello to you. I saw you made those much needed edits to the "Talisman of the Raven" article ; it's great to see. I will be working on Charal now, but there are several issues or possible misunderstandings...
Charal's status compared to Terak is quite unclear: she's sometimes described as a "cohort" of Terak's, sometimes as her "consort". Does the latter imply they were... you know, married or something like that? Yet, in the movie, she clearly fears Terak and seems to have no authority of her own on the Marauders.
The article's intro currently says: "The Nightsisters pursued her, and to escape them, she joined a band of Sanyassan Marauders. Their vessel crashed on the uncharted forest moon of Endor, and the Sanyassan warlord set himself up as king." But the sources I possess actually say she was stranded on Endor and then joined with the Marauders—who were already there. It's a bit of a conflict, isn't it?
The exact boundaries of her knowledge in the field of technology are also unclear. She obviously escaped Dathomir aboard a ship, and yet she doesn't realise a crystal oscillator isn't enough to fly. Furthermore, she has met spacers during the Galactic Civil War (per Galaxies) and was even offered a comlink. She still has no idea what it is.LelalMekha 16:07, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Good to know you're still on the Nightsisters!
"Consort" implies Charal had a legitimate sexual relationship with a monarch. It's your word, and I didn't change it because there was a source. If a source says "consort," that's their problem. (Maybe they broke up before the film? They are about 100 years old, after all, lots of time for romantic troubles.) If not, "consort" would be inaccurate.
I don't know about the crash. Is there a source specifying anything? I rather prefer the intro version, but I don't think it's accurate. Just a hunch.
As for the technology thing, that's a conflict with the Ewok movies and later sources. Nightsisters are presented as half-primitivists, having consciously rejected technology on philosophical grounds (like the Vong) but using it when it suits their purposes (unlike the Vong). But back in '85, Charal was not supposed to be any sort of "Nightsister," and she's presented as a technological imbecile. Although I do remember her being conscious of the fact that the oscillator was not some kind of all-powerful entity as Terak believed, and chanting into it only to stall him. Am I mistaken? God, I don't want to watch that film again! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Here is the state of my research:
Consort is indeed my word, but the source is the French translation of the Official Star Wars Fact Files. It may be a misunderstanding in the first place. Maybe I was influenced by some sources calling them "King Terak and Queen Charal"...
Did she come with the Marauders, or did she find them on Endor? Different sources, different answers:
Charal escaped Dathomir over a century before the Battle of Endor. (...) Her abandonment of the Nightsister clan was not well received. She lived with a death mark for some time, and was hounded across the sector by witches sent to hunt her down. Stranded on Endor for nearly a century, Charal allied herself with King Terak's band of Sanyassan Marauders. (from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia) → No, she didn't.
In a bid to escape her pursuers, she joined a band of Sanyassan Marauder pirates. Their vessel crashed on the uncharted forest moon of Endor, and the Marauder leader set himself up as king, occupying a primitive castle in the plains. (from the defunct starwars.com Databank) → Yes, she did.
The marauders were accompanied by a female Humanoid called Charal, who pretended to be a shapeshifting Nightsister and a Force user. It is unknown if she arrived with the pirates, and further information about the marauders are no more available. At any rate, the New Republic found no trace of them. The Emperor likely wouldn't have tolerated a Force user and her aggressive friends dwelling on a planet he wished to use. Picture caption: The Nightsister Charal came to rule over the Marauders stranded on the Forest Moon. With her "partenaire" (cohort? spouse?) Terak, she enhanced her authority through intimidation. (from SW Official Fact File END4, french edition) → We don't know.
The film implies she genuinely believes in using the crystal oscillator through magick ; she thinks the young Cindel knows the proper ritual, and asks her "Can't you just wave your hands over it?" But she also knows what a spaceship is... at least vaguely.--LelalMekha 18:00, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well, the Charal article needs a full rewrite anyway. I'm currently working on it. Your advice will be quite useful. Oh, and your remark about the timeline is right of course: nothing says Talzin was the shaman in charge when Charal stole the ring. As Nightsisters can live several centuries, maybe that was Talzin, maybe not. We can't say for sure. I'll keep you informed of my progress. You know, it's strange, beacause this "Battle for Endor" movie is awfully cheesy, but I'm still fond of it.--LelalMekha 23:01, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Reinstating Rule of Two edit.
I added that in because of something he said when killing Plagueis. This is the specific line he stated:
"Sidious: No true Sith can ever really care about another. This has always been known. There is no way but my way."
That would imply that he was going to remove Plagueis' teaching of removing the Rule of Two shortly after murdering him. Now, if you can offer an explanation for this, as well as correct me if I mistook the implications, feel free to do so. Weedle McHairybug 13:23, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Return of the Lenthgy Username
As I live and breathe, it's our dear RX! So you've returned to the Wook? I was under the impression I hadn't seen you in a while. How are you faring? --LelalMekha (talk) 14:55, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I successfully turned Charal into a Featured Article, the very first one I ever made. I'm currently working on several future nominations, including B'rknaa, Hakagram Graush, Lord Nyax (all three as GANoms) and Sanyassan (as FANom). Lot of work, as you can see. If you're bored some day, you may have a look at these and review the wording and the turns of phrases. (Alack! I still haven't become encyclopedically fluent since we last spoke.) -LelalMekha (talk) 15:24, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
Why, yes. I enjoy expanding on obscure subjects, such as deities, unusal species or forgotten material. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:43, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
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