Talk: Michael von Preußen/Archive1

Warning

• Removing warnings from your talk page is not allowed, and can result in a ban. In fact, removing anything from your talk page without the express permission of administrators is not allowed (expect for purposes of creating an archive of your talk page), as your talk page is intended as a permanent record. Additionally, the warning was warranted, since if you had bothered to read Wookieepedia's sourcing guidelines, you would have seen that Wikipedia is not considered a source. Putting information in an article without a canon source can result in fanon being added to Wookieepedia, even if that is not your intent. Doluk^Talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Well ban me if you want. If I'm not wanted on Wookiepedia, I'll stick to editing wikis where I'm appreciated, and where I'm allowed to edit my own goddamn talk page. Michael von Preußen 15:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• I certainly won't be banning you - I'm not an administrator, and even if I was I wouldn't ban you unless you continued to break the rules after being warned about them. All I'm trying to do is to make sure that you understand the rules so that you won't get banned. If you want to stay here, please do, just play by the rules, and listen to those who have been here for longer when they warn you about what those rules are. Sheesh... Doluk^Talk 15:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

You really are missing the point. I have edited various wikis using various names for well over three years. I have been minorly active on Wookiepedia in the past also. And I have never, in all my time editing various wikis, come accross rules telling me I can't edit what's on my own talk page. Nor, for that matter, have I ever had a giant red box placed on my talk page by administrators when I've edited an article in a way they didn't like, or a way that was not in accordance with the wikis' various policies. If the administrator in question oes not like the edit, he can leave a proper, civilized message on my talk page for discussion, rather than act like an arrogant oligarch and attempt to bully people around. Michael von Preußen 15:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, don't talk to me about the rules when the administrator who warned me has a signature which violates the signature policy. Michael von Preußen 15:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Good spot; now, rather than using it as a means to claim anything Borsk says re:the rules is invalid, why don't you politely point that out to him? And since you've managed to understand that policy, why don't you read up on Wookieepedia:Attribution#Wookieepedia articles must be based on reliable sources, WP:NOT#Wookieepedia is not Wikipedia (or any other wiki), and reread the post above yours while you're at it. :-) -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 16:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• OK, I probably shouldn't bother to point this out since you don't seem to be in the mood to listen, but you say "If the administrator in question oes not like the edit, he can leave a proper, civilized message on my talk page for discussion, rather than act like an arrogant oligarch and attempt to bully people around." The various warning messages are the proper civilized messages that are left on people's talk pages. If you see one, please read it and take it to heart instead of complaining about it and removing it. Oh, and about Borsk's signature - see what AdmirableAckbar says above (I'm assuming it's the colours in the sig you're talking about? If so, I believe you're right). Doluk^Talk 16:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

A proper, civilized message consists of regular text, and back-and-forth dialogue. You seem well-versed in civilized dialogue - see! we're doing it right now! I do not consider a huge red box civilized. And I took what AdmirableAckbar said, but modified it slightly, to deal with Borsk Fey'lya the same way he dealt with me. Michael von Preußen

Actually, the warning message on your page is a template that is used by admins every day for cases like this. See here for a complete list of templates. Perhaps you don't consider it civilized, but the community as a whole has decided that it is the most appropriate way to ask people not to post things which cannot be verified as canon.Doluk^Talk 16:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not entirely appropriate for you to deal with Borsk the way he dealt with you—because he's an admin and you are not. That's why, when I see people violating the signature policy (which is quite often), I ask rather than tell them to change it, because I can't ban them. Regardless, there's some things about this wiki that you'll have to get used to; you can't base an article on your memory of a deleted Wikipedia article, because that is not a proper, verifiable, canon source; you can't remove messages - particularly warnings - from your talk page; big, red warning templates are used (though only for vandalism/fanon and the like - they're not widely used for mundane things like the signature policy) because many people don't get the message otherwise; and you need to drop the attitude. You created a fanon article - whether you acknowledge or know that or not - Borsk warned you, and rather than explaining the situation to him politely, you left one bristling with indignation. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 16:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I notice that while you undoubtedly put great time into typing the nice little links to the templates category and what not, there is no link to a vote, discussion, or otherwise on what the Wookieepedia community thinks administrators should do about users that put non-canon content in. Let me propose something now, then:

Hi there!  I notice that you've made an edit to [[Page]] that is unverifiable or non-canon.  I suggest you take a look at [[Wookieepedia:Attribution#Wookieepedia articles must be based on reliable sources]].  If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at my talk page (the little link in my signature).  Thanks, ~~~~

Now, AdmirableAckbar, let me point out to you that I didn't create the article, I merely reverted to a version that someone else had made. Second, I apologize to you and Doluk for my attitude, but I most certainly will not drop the attitude towards the asshat that put the giant red box on my talk page. Just because he can ban me shouldn't give him the right to act like some sort of Führer. I edited one article on this wiki. If I had repeatedly added Fanon to the wiki, a giant red box may have been warranted. As it is, though, I will not cease in acting belligerantly towards those who are belligerant to me. Michael von Preußen

30px You have been blocked from editing for 1 week. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 17:02, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Borsk

With regard to Borsk Fey'lay, I suggst you check the history of the Agen Kolar article here. It is quite clear that Borsk has not removed anything from the article. I suggest you check your facts before making such allegations next time. --Eyrezer 01:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: Redlinks

No problems. The actual redlinks were hidden, so I can see where the confusion came from. I had to check it for myself, and the {{App}} template is relatively new. - Cavalier One20px^{(Squadron channel)} 21:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing talk page comments

Removing talk page comments, particularly warnings, is against our site policy. Please see Template:W, which states "Please do not remove talk page and forum comments, as they are part of the public record." Thank you for your cooperation. Grunny ^(Talk) 08:28, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

That is a policy as agreed upon by the site while designing that welcome. We do not allow users to remove talk page content as it is a public record, particularly warnings which are important for future reference. If you continue to remove talk page comments from this page administrative action may be taken. Thank you. Grunny ^(Talk) 08:32, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I've already shown you where the rule exists. Arguing that such a thing does not appear on other wikis is of no relevance, as every wiki has their own policies (and I can think of at least one that does have such a policy and I can guarantee there are more). This is how things are done here, and continuing to go against site policy will lead to administrative action, so I urge you to cooperate. Thank you. Grunny ^(Talk) 08:44, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

If you don't edit here then why do you care so much? It would be just as easy for you to avoid all this trouble by archiving your talk page like every other user does. You can create /Archive1 and leave a link to it on this page if you really want this gone. But you can't just remove it. This Welcome template was decided on by consensus at one of our Mofferences. None of the administrators here are pushing their weight around, nor are the other users who will warn you for removing talk content, it is simply enforcing site consensus. Grunny ^(Talk) 08:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)