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Kreia/Kae

Aren't Kreia and Kae the same person? Both are described as being Revan's first master, female, exiled from the order, and having taught Revan how to leave the Jedi. -Imperialles 22:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Having played through the Sith Lords only once, I can only say I had never noticed it- but net searches seem to indicate it's rather hotly debated --Fade 22:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Playing through recently, the game made a mention of Kae going to war (Handmaiden hates me, so that's all I know, and I can't remember much about Kae from my first play through) but that would indicate that she isn't Kreia, given that Kreia didn't go to war. --Fade 18:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Title

Wait, shouldn't this be under Revan, as it was his real name before the Darth title was added, unlike later Sith. --Fade 18:20, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Yep, excellent point. --Imperialles 18:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • No, because it was Revan and Malak who started the whole "Darth" idea. This page should be marked under Darth Revan. For its Darth Revan most characters in KOTOR I & II refer too. Jasca Ducato 08:58, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Sabre style

Anyone know what lightsaber style Revan used, before or after his 'death'? Just wondering; the one he uses aboard the ship (picture on the page) resembles Sidious'. I thought that was pretty cool when I saw epIII, considering KotOR was made long before.

  • Judging from Revan's stance against Bastila and the Jedi strike team (just before Malak fires upon him), it looks as if he's using Form IX: Shien, most noteably because of his lightsaber facing his opponent horizontaly. However, it's also likely that Revan used Form X: Niman / Jar'Kai, because of his appearnce with dual-lightsabers in KOTOR II. Juding from just how powerful a figure Revan really is, it would not surprise me if he was a master of both Forms, choosing one depending on the situation. --Raganork 05:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Image

That image looks awful, which is why I replaced it in the first place. I'll try an dig up a better one. Can we delete the crap one if I fond one? --Fade 17:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • That one gives a pretty good head-on view of the character. It also avoids revealing a gender. This one any better? [1] --SparqMan 18:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's just that the actual quality of the images isn't that great. I don't really want to say it, because I grabbed it, but I think the first shot is perfect. Perhaps I can grab one from the 'revelation' scene, just before Revan removes their mask. I should be there in the next day or two. --Fade 20:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Leviathan

EDIT: Oops, forgot to count Dantooine. My bad. Lord Patrick 05:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Canon Male

Perhaps we should add a "Since Light-sided male is the canonical ending, this article will refer to Revan as a male" or something like that like they do on Wikipedia.

Malak, Just a Friend?

I thought he was Revan's Padawan? And Revan was a Jedi Master... before his mind was wiped of course

  • No he wasn't. Revan was barely a Jedi Knight. QuentinGeorge 06:08, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

KOTOR 2 Chronicles on KOTOR2:TOS states he is a Jedi Master razzy1319

  • The KOTOR 2 chronicles are notortious for being filled with mistakes regarding what they describe. evan being a Jedi master is one of them. Jasca Ducato 15:24, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • And suggesting that the DS ending of KOTOR I was true, that Revan was already a Sith during the Mandalorian Wars, that Exile was a Jedi Knight, etc. In KOTOR I, it is explicitly said: "Two Jedi Knights, Revan and Malak, defied the Order <...>". Maybe we should email Leland Chee to confirm the Chronicles' level of canonicity? - Sikon [Talk] 15:44, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Most of what the Chronicles say is ridiculous true - but the notion of Revan becoming a Sith during the Mandalorian Wars is heavily implied during KotOR II. Did anyone actually play the game? Too many people assume that Revan turned to the dark side in the final battle - but we're told that it was after the final battle that he started to convert everybody. You CANNOT learn the ways of the Sith and convert thousands of people to your cause in a single day. Ergo Revan discovered Malachor and the Sith teachings sometime during the Mandalorian Wars - not at the end.

Always thought that jedi knight was more of a title for all jedi master, knight or padawan. And cant see any errors in Chronicles... could someone point them out.

  • Point them out? Lets see... how about the enitre thing! Jasca Ducato 16:07, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, for the starters (from Part XIII):

"Individual Jedi begin to leave the Jedi Order, and the Jedi Watchmen of many systems, disenchanted with the endless, pointless struggles, step down and exile themselves in unknown quadrants of the galaxy, echoing the disillusionment of Jedi Master JOLEE BINDO."

Well, unless Jolee ascended from Padawan to Master in five years.

"Atris attempts to call a Jedi Conclave under the strict agreement of secrecy on a Midrim world. She struggles to comprehend her actions as the Conclave is interrupted when every single Jedi attending vanishes without a trace. It is later discovered that all of them were savagely culled by Dark Side Sith Assassins under the command of DARTH NIHILUS."

Nihilus didn't use Sith Assassins, only Sion did. And the Jedi didn't fall victims to Sith Assassins, they were just consumed by Nihilus, as well as all life on the planet, save Visas Marr.

From Part XII:

"After a long and vicious battle in the deepest area of the STAR FORGE, Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK."

No comments. The word "canonical ending" means nothing to us.

I sent an email to Leland Chee questioning the canonicity of the Chronicles. However, if they prove to be canonical, it will mean that we'll finally know the class of the Leviathan - it was an Interdictor-class Star Frigate.

Sikon [Talk] 16:15, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Revan's Name similarity with Vader

I was thinking the name of revan when I noticed that maybe it comes from Vader. Thats what I see:

  • REVAN
  • R-E-V-A-N
  • VADER
  • V-A-D-E-R
  • 1. Similarity: 5 Letters
  • Now I take the name Vader and....
  • R-E-D-A-V
  • 2. Similarity: It have almost the same letters (They looks as brothers names)...
  • Its comming... now I change the V with the D and the D I repleaced it with N
  • R-E-V-A-N
  • SEE??? [I Edit It] —Unsigned comment by Someone (talk • contribs)
    • No, I don't see. I don't think they meant it that deep. I always presumed Revan is derived from "raven". - Sikon [Talk] 01:36, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, did you know that you're evil? This page mathematically proves that Anonymous is evil. —Darth Culator (talk) 01:46, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Omg and liek Malak is Maul bcuz tey both have weirdlookig heads and they hav mal in their names lol MarcK 01:55, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • LOL! Added information about Malak's name origin, from Wikipedia. - Sikon [Talk] 02:05, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
        • I always assumed Revan's name to be a play on "Revenant" - which means "One who returns from a lengthy abscence", one who "comes back", or more frequently, "someone who has returned from the dead"... sound like anyone we know? Hmm...

Knight?

Was Revan a Knight by the end of KOTOR I? He was only a Padawan during the game. And was Bastila granted Knighthood anytime between the two KOTORs? - Sikon 05:12, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • It is hard to believe that Revan wouldn't be knighted after striking down a Dark Lord of the Sith. Although you don't hear much about Revan afterwards, it is highly unlikely that he wasn't. As for Bastila, she was already a Jedi Knight in KOTOR I, assigned to help Revan. She also at one point believed that if she completed her task of helping Revan, she might even become a Jedi Master. --Raganork 06:05, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • Revan was a Knight before he went to fight in the Mandalorian Wars. --Imp 06:58, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • Bastila was a Padawan in KOTOR I. (Master Zhar to the player: "Padawan Bastila you are already familiar with".) - Sikon 07:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • Bastila was a Padawan when you first meet her in KotOR I - it's entirely possible however that she was promoted to Knight just prior to being assigned to the mission with Revan. This is ifurther mplied when Vandar tells Bastila to take "the Padawan" (Revan) with her during the Dark Side ending. Had she been a Padawan also this would have been an inappropriate thing to say.
I agree, I think her rank was upped just before going with Revan to look for the Star Forge. However, having a Padawan leading a Padawan while rediculous does occur. If I remember correctly Juhani was a Padawan and, having killed her master, was sent under Revan's (alt) care.--Dustin Asby 01:28, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Juhani didn't kill her master - see her article. - Sikon [Talk] 06:23, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • On the official Knights of the Old Republic 2 web site, the chronicles section specifically refers to him as Jedi master Revan before the Mandalorian War. --Kotor mark 20:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Note: Every instance where the Chronicles contradict ingame information, they are ignored. Most are happy to ignore them entirely. Revan was a "young Jedi Knight" before the Wars according to numerous sources, most of them Jedi Masters(Ulicus 20:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC))
      • The funny thing is, that even short before the Star Forge in KotOR youre still a padawan. But u can defeat the dark lord of the sith there ... nah, never mind :D. -The man who Sentry wants to sign his comments-

Similarity to Darth Vader

Like Darth Vader, Revan wears an armor that covers most of his body. -- Eddyward Telerionus 15:55, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Right... Why are you telling us? Also, Revan wears robes and a mask, not armor. --Imp 16:05, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, the torso and hand area's look pretty armour-ey to me. Personally, I like the concept of armour-robes in general (apart from the obvious mobility problems) Lord Patrick 08:19, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
      • But look at the picture Imp, Revan was wearing armor. You can't see his face. -- Eddyward Telerionus 02:52, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
        • The reason you can't see his face is because he's wearing a mask, not armor. And even if he was, what's your point? MarcK 03:17, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

But look at the picture again, do you see the armor? -- Eddyward Telerionus 20:45, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Revan as a Sith Lord wears chest,leg and arm plates made of a type of armor. It is not like a armor suit like a Mandalorian but rather a unique design probably fashioned by Revan or a Sith warrior. The mask (despite having a resembelance to Mandalorian armor) is not connected to armor in anyway but is rather a simple face mask. Darth Revan also wears black robes with a hood over his body. The armor in the end is not a full suit but rather robes with armor plating and gauntlets. - Maphisto86
    • Also note that Vader needed his suit to survive, and Revan does not. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:20, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Well, is there a picture of Revan as a Jedi without the mask and armor? -- Eddyward Telerionus 00:45, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, John, he did survive without his mask and robes in KOTOR... --Imp 00:48, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • "Well, is there a picture of Revan as a Jedi without the mask and armor?" Err, NO! The hole point of the game is that you don't know who Revan is until the Leviathan level. So why would they post a picture of Revan without his suit of armour! That completely ruins the surprise! No offense, but i would see it as common sense. Jasca Ducato 17:45, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Not to mention that there are like 6 or 8 male faces to choose from. Have you played the game? Perhaps we should reiterate the spoiler warning. I personally don't care if I see book or comic spoilers, but I don't ever want to see game or movie spoilers (regarding SW).--Dustin Asby 01:36, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Athlete

I've never played this game...but was Revan an athlete as his categorization suggests? --SparqMan 17:42, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, he became Taris Swoop Race champion prior to its destruction by the Sith. Jasca Ducato 17:45, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Revan was also the champion of the Taris dueling ring, after beating Twitch 151.203.151.111 17:50, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Main Picutre Change...

Why was the picture reverted back to the old one? The picture of Revan from KOTOR II was much better! -Maphisto86 8:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Does anyone have the old picture so that we can switch it back? -DarthMuffin 9:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Good article

Just wanted to say well done to all who have worked on this article. It was a very enjoyable read! Eyrezer 22:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

KOTOR II

I think he meant that Atton thinks Revan was a woman, unless Exile corrects him. - Sikon [Talk] 17:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not disputing that but game mechanics set Revan to light-side male as is consistant with canon if the player choses not to make a choice. Jasca Ducato 18:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I rewrote that section so that both interpretations of the word default are covered. That should end that minor edit war...--Sentry 23:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Nameless?

Why is this article categorized under Nameless character? -Danik Kreldin 11:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Clueless, I am. - Sikon [Talk] 13:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
    • As a player character in KotOR, you can have any name and run under it (if you do not accept you being Revan anymore, which is the canonical light side choice) - TopAce 18:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Only in the game. But in canon, the character is male and is named Revan. And I believe we go by the canon here :P -Danik Kreldin 18:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
        • I was just guessing, it isn't me who put this article into that category. - TopAce 18:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
          • It is already changed. That's good.

Homeworld

Removed "His homeworld is also highly debatable. Revan mentioned Deralia but that was in a state where he had lost his memory and it's highly dubious that this planet was his actual place of birth." from the Early Life section. It's not neccessary - one is able to infer all of that by glancing at the "Biographical Information" section of Revan's fact-list. (Ulicus 03:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC))

Male Lightsider

What exactly is the source for saying that male lightside is the official ending? After, all, Sith Lords leaves all options open. I imagine it'll be pretty controversial to keep it as it is without a source. --Fade 13:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • The continuity guy (Leeland Chee) at the OS boards has confirmed the lightside ending is canon, and that Revan's sex will be "unspecified for the most part". If possible, the article should be rewritten in a non-gender specific way, but that may be difficult. QuentinGeorge 22:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • We could just include a disclaimer; "Revan's gender is specified by the player. For the purposes of this article, masculine references were used for the sake of simplicity"- something like that. It's better not to have that official male bit, considering we have no direct source for it, and that female Revan is just as, if not more, popular than male. --Fade 22:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • (Among others) Dan Wallace confirmed that Male Revan is the offical stance. Tam 15:21, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

1)The question remains. In an RPG where the character determines the sex, appearance and powers of the character, how can there be "canon"??

2)Who are Leeland Chee and Dan Wallace, and why is their word gospel?

  • The player may determine anything, but there is only one option that actually "happened" in the fictional universe. So if you play a DS Revan, then your story never happened. It must be decided for the purposes of continuity, so that further authors who refer to the KOTOR era can base their works on the canonical story. (KOTOR II shows an alternate way by allowing the player to choose the first game's ending, but KOTOR III probably won't, because implementing all 16 combinations would be nearly impossible.) Leland Chee is the Keeper of the Holocron and the one responsible for continuity management, and Dan Wallace... well, just read the article. - Sikon 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
  • In Dark Forces: Jedi Knight, the player may choose to follow the light side or dark side, with different endings, but Jedi Outcast and all subsequent media assume the light side ending. Just an example. 68.126.252.191 22:34, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Nowhere has any official statement been made canonizing Revan:
    1. The article sources the Star Forge entry, in the Star Wars Databank, on "light side" continuity. The entry states: "The Republic used a captive Revan to piece together clues as to the Star Forge's location, and eventually discovered the Unknown World. Republic forces attacked en masse, and despite devastating losses, were able to defeat Malak and the Star Forge.". [2] However, it should be noted that if you click on Behind the Scenes above the Star Forge entry it states: "Although the branching nature of KOTOR's storyline allows for an ending in which the dark side triumphs and the Star Forge remains intact, Star Wars continuity maintains that one way or another, the Star Forge was destroyed.". [3] The author of this entry clearly makes an effort to say that there isn't a canon ending when he says that either way, light side ending or dark side ending, the Star Forge was destroyed.
    2. Star Wars Tales 23 features Shadows and Light which, according to this article, has something to say about Star Wars Continuity. But according to Dark Horse Comics: "Star Wars Tales features the world's greatest comics creators and their spins on the Star Wars saga, both within and beyond the continuity!", it doesn't. It states here that nothing in Star Wars Tales can be considered canon, unless canonized elsewhere ofcourse.
    3. At the end of the article it states: "...the canonical Revan is confirmed by Leland Chee to be male." using this source in which Leland Chee answers the included question:
      • I've been wondering how specific the information in the holocron is regarding games (KotOR 1 & 2, DF2: Jedi Knight...) is where the storyline can take an obviously distorted path by going dark or light, or doing things in a different order. Alternate endings and customizable characters are noted in the Continuity Notes field. If needed, a definitive ending is chosen (ie the light side ending in Jedi Knight) and recorded into the database. Another example is the decision to make Revan a male character. Again, these types of things are only determined when needed. [4]
      • He basicly says that Revan has been entered into the Holocron Continuity Database as male. However the Wiki entry for the Holocron Continuity Database has a quote from Leland Chan which says, "In addition to being an archive for information that has already been published, the Holocron is a tool to track everything that is currently in development. Information is entered at the earliest stages, so there is information about products that won't be released until years later. It is also used to store unpublished reference information." [5]
    4. Earlier in this discussion it mentions that Dan Wallace has said a word or two on the canonizing of Revan but, as far as I have found, that stems from this statement he made on the Jedi Council Forums: "...LFL has told me that the official continuity stance on KOTOR is: Mr. Revan, light-side ending." [6]. Having said this he still left Revan's gender and the ending to KotOR ambiguous in the New Essential Chronology and since LFL told him in private, it cannot be considered published canon. -Valacar Nov. 10, 2005

First of all, Star Wars Tales is canon after issue #21, as it is no longer published under the Infinities label. You can argue if this is valid, but not on the Revan talk page, but on the SWT talk page. Second, don't assume what the author of the Databank article "meant". In the DS ending, the Republic fleet loses the Battle of Rakata Prime, so it cannot destroy the Star Forge. According to Bastila's holocron in KOTOR II, the Star Forge is destroyed at least a year later when Revan suddenly leaves it to rot. Therefore, the Databank entry presumes the LS ending.

Considering the Holocron, there was a long discussion on this wiki about whether it can pose as a source by itself if the information does not appear in other sources. The result was yes, since information entered in the Holocron will be respected by future EU writers. Again, this is probably arguable, and you can reopen that discussion, but until you convince the majority that the Holocron is not a valid source, the Revan article will continue to state that Revan was male. - Sikon [Talk] 01:54, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • The official Starwars.com database still makes no mention of Revan's gender, and even more interesting avoids any hints (for example pronouns) about it in articles about Bastila or Malak. Therefore it seems that it is wanted to keep that question unsolved. Therefore, I definitively believe this article needs to be rewritten in a way which highlights that Revan's gender is unknown. If new informations are being released (for example with KotOR III) this can still be reworked, but right now we cannot simply distribute informations that are not backed up strong enough. - Tulon 23:45, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Since the Databank entry was added, LucasArts has confirmed Revan's status as a male lightsider. Even the Chronicles section on the KotOR II site was written without knowledge of Revan's canon status - Kwenn 22:55, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • Is this certain? I mean, if we take a look at KotOR II: the game seems to handle Revan as a female by default. The player has the opportunity to change this by 'correcting' Atton, telling him that Revan was male. And before the Databank entry is updated (which would be the only definite source for Revan's gender, imho) I rather believe the actual game authors than some guy from LucasArts who might have misunderstood or just missed something there. - Tulon 06:20, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
        • Atton does initially think Revan is female, but if you say that you don't care who Revan was, he will be set to LS male by default. And in any case, that choice is just gameplay mechanics - you don't seriously believe that Exile can change history (including Revan's gender and alignment) by picking the right answers, do you? :) - Sikon [Talk] 05:32, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
          • No, but I believe that the player has influence on the game background by picking answers like this. The same happens when Atton asks you what color your lightsaber had. Depending on what you answered, Atris would later show up with a lightsaber of the color you were able to pick. The fact that Atton believes Revan was female could well be interpreted in a way that the game designers were designing Revan to be female by default. They just allowed the player to change this by correcting Atton, depending on what gender the player chose in KotOR I. - Tulon 15:15, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
            • Thought this one might be interesting for this discussion, it is a quote from one of Bioware's guys: "I think the point is that KotOR is a finished product - and nobody, not even George Lucas, could pass over the simple reality that KotOR offers both an initial gender choice, and an alignment choice during the game. So, even if George Lucas ever declared that Revan could not be a woman/a man, it would be nothing but an untrue statement." Makes sense to me. - Tulon 17:40, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
              • It makes no sense to me. Lucas is the ultimate owner of the Star Wars universe, and his decisions override anything. Nobody, least of all BioWare employees, can change that. Besides, that BioWare guy was talking about KOTOR as a self-sufficient RPG, not the Star Wars universe in general. It's a universe, not a multiverse, alternate histories and parallel dimensions don't exist in it - save this stuff for something like Star Trek. Either Revan was a man or a woman, not both. - Sikon [Talk] 18:33, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                • In my opinion the character Revan is property of it's creator - and not Leland Chee's, whose reasons to choose a gender are more than questionable. Especially after all effort that had been put in both KotOR -AND- the _official_ Star Wars database to _not_ give a hint on Revan's gender. If anyone has the right to override Bioware's decision to leave the gender undecided it is George Lucas only. And even then it would seem quite unreliable. Don't you still think "Han shot first" in Mos Eisley, for example? In my opinion this wiki entry needs to be rewritten in a neutral way, including a special note on Revan's gender where it is stated that his creators (BioWare) and the official database still hold on to a neutral gender, whereas only Leland Chee chose to make "him" male in the publicly inaccessible Holocron. Does this sound like a good compromise to you? - Tulon 08:15, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                  • Nope. For one thing, Lucas didn't create Revan, nor has anything to do with him. He leaves the EU to the authors, artists and continuity guys - such as Leland Chee. And the Holocron, although publically inaccessible, is the source for everything Star Wars, used by all the authors to help keep their work in continuity. So if Chee has stated the Holocron lists Revan as a male lightsider, then that is canon. Oh, and also, the Databank entry was written before Revan's gender was fixed; and few entries get updated unless part of a complete themed update - Kwenn 09:25, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                    • I see your point, but if Revan really would be male this would render KotOR a non-canon game - which kinda is a paradoxon, since Revan originated from this game. And I think that the creator of a character should have the last word on him, not some other guy that rarely has to do anything with KotOR at all. Especially when such a decision is made out of "reasons of simplicity". - Tulon 13:45, 11 Jan 2006
                      • You may like it or not, but the Star Wars universe as a whole belongs to Lucasfilm, and it is their duty to preserve continuity, including elimination of alternate histories. Whoever the original author is (excluding Lucas, who almost always has the final word), they can retcon everything. What isn't clear? Rendering Revan male doesn't make all of KOTOR non-canon, it only makes the gender-specific elements non-canon. View them as gameplay mechanics, like levels, Force points or character classes. - Sikon [Talk] 13:11, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Why is the light side considered canon? The comic book shows him in the dark side robes and the official knights of the old republic 2 web site refers to him specifically as (male) Darth Revan, the Dark Lord of the Sith after he defeats Malak on the Star Forge in the chronicles section. Only the official Star Wars site hints that he's light side with only minor things like saying the Star Forge was destroyed by the Republic, etc. It doesn't actually say the canon ending is light side. So I hope this is taken under consideration. --Kotor mark 20:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Lucas has stated that whenever there is a choice between lightside and darkside in the games that the lightside is canon. In some ways that blows (particularly because the lightside ending in JA is so lame) but it makes a degree of sense. If the game is not a guaranteed blockbluster and merits no sequels where the light may triumph in the end this means it doesn't interfere with established Star Wars continuity. The Republic existed continuously for some twenty-five thousand years and if Revan went DS this would effectively render this continuity inaccurate. -- Niirfa-sa 21:46, Feb 12 2006 (UTC)
      • As I mentioned before, the Chronicles of the Old Republic section on the KotOR II site was written before it was decided to make the Male Lightsider story canon, which is also why the Databank is ambiguous, and why it didn't include a Revan article in the KotOR updates. Further, the comic book (Shadows and Light, from Tales) has only one panel including Revan, and that's part of a vision seen by Duron Qel-Droma - I think Revan is dressed that way just so the audience can identify him as Revan, though in-universe, the explaination is simply a case of the vision not being accurate on the specifics. And IIRC, Duron has the vision at the time Revan is fighting in the Mando Wars, so he may well be wearing his armor and mask at this time, and thus this is how Duron would visualize him - Kwenn 21:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Either that, or the choice between LS and DS robes is also gameplay mechanics, like Starkeiller suggested. - Sikon [Talk] 10:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bit of an insult to force Revan to be a Light Side Male. I was a Dark Side Male in the game, and that seemed to mix very well with KOTOR II, where the Jedi Order is nearly destroyed at the beginning of the game. It would also be possible for Revan to nearly destroy the Republic as, though it stood for 25,000 years, Palpatine makes careful note that its incarnation before the Galactic Empire rose to power had "stood for 1,000 years." To force a "canonical" interpretation of Revan is a slap in the face. The great thing about KOTOR was that the player could create Revan, could mold him/her into whatever they wanted, could be a part of Star Wars canon without being told, "Nope, this is the way it is LOL. LIGHT SIDE WINS!" With KOTOR II leaving the option of 4 different Revans open, I see no reason to consider the holocron entry to make it canon. It's an inaccessible database, not the Star Wars bible.

  • Once again, we're not talking about KOTOR gameplay mechanics, we're talking about its storyline as a part of the canonical Star Wars universe. Where Revan is male and light side. In your personal Star Wars, it may be different. - Sikon [Talk] 09:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Any fan can believe anything they want to believe in the privacy of their own head - for me, OOM-9 was reactivated during the Clone Wars simply because I like the droid. Its M-canon, myself-canon. BUT for the sake of expanding the REAL Star Wars continuity, you have to settle on one thing. Revan as a Lighht Side male sounds canon to me, because it is confirmed by more sources than the 3 other Revans.

Fall to the Dark Side

Does anyone know when Revan actually fell to the Dark Side? KOTOR I shows that Malak and himself turned to the Dark Side as early as finding a Star Map on Dantooine, while KOTOR II tells that Revan was consumed by the Dark Side on Malachor V. Anyone have a logical explanation for this inconsistency?--Raganork 06:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, he obviously was on Malachor V before going after the star maps. --Imp 06:58, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, Revan and malak never fell to the Darkside until after the Mandalorian War. In the cutscene with them in the Rakata temple on Dantooine Malak actually says something on the lines of "If we enter this room we shall be taking our first steps [towards the darkside] and shalln't be able to return". Jasca Ducato 08:12, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • That assumes you completely disregard the Chronicles which seems to be a popular thing to do, despite the fact that they also have to be considered canon since they are done with Lucasarts approval. The Chronicles state that Revan fell to the Dark Side immediately upon discovering Malachor V. This trend of people ignoring the Chronicles because they are unpopular is a strange one.--67.187.144.76 14:31, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
  • People ignore the Chronicles because they contradict the games. Revan was *not* a Jedi Master and Kreia would not have become a Sith after Knights of the Old Republic: Why would she feel guilty about Revan's fall if he had returned to the light? Etc. The Chronicles *are* right to say that Revan turned to the dark side on Malachor however, since this is said in KotOR II.

The name's Revan, Darth Revan

Perhaps we should change the page name from "Revan" too "Darth Revan". This article is after all about a Dark Lord of the Sith called "Darth Revan". I mean, there are two articles for Malak, one for him as a Jedi and one for him as Darth Malak. I think it should be changed. Thats all! Jasca Ducato 18:24, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

    • Uh, there's only one article for Malak. Kuralyov 18:30, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
      • Darth Malak redirects to Malak. Darth Revan redirects to Revan.
        • The article is entitled Revan because he did not bear the Darth title as a Jedi. Out policy states that any title which was not used absolutely all of the time is not to be included in the article title. – Aidje talk 22:08, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

So Darth Vader Never used the title as the Jedi Anakin, but you have him listed as Darth Vader?--192.31.106.35 12:59, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • Wookieepedia consensus (which, in this case, I heartily object to) insists that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are fundamentally two different people, while the other Darths (including Darth Sidious, AKA Palpatine) are not. jSarek 20:22, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Where is this consensus and where can I object to it?--Dustin Asby 01:38, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • I also hate the whole seperation of Darth/Jedi in any case especially Anakin/Vader. But you can't fight city hall. Lonnyd 14:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Yep, it's a ridiculous concept. The notion that Vader and Anakin were two different people is just a product of Obi-Wan's infamous "certain point of view". He might have believed that Anakin was gone forever and that a new "Darth Vader" persona had replaced him, but Luke proved Obi-Wan wrong!
As for the subject of Revan's name, was "Revan" his real name from when he was a Jedi, or just one he adopted as a Sith? 68.47.234.131 12:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Revan was his real name when he was a Jedi, the same applies to Malak. They were called Revan and Malak before their fall to the dark side. - Sikon [Talk] 09:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The image for Malak's defeat on the star forge

I don't think this image should be included here. The light side ending is the canonical ending and in the image Revan has on his dark side robes. I understand the avoidance of showing his face because it can change for each player but the image technically argues the canonical ending to the game. I like the picture though. --DannyBoy7783 19:25, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • Still, it's from Shadows and Light. It can be argued that Duron Qel-Droma's visions were not accurate, and besides, Duron acknowledges Revan's light side alignment by predicting that Revan will use his robes, which are restricted to the light side. Besides, even a dark side Revan cannot get the full clothing, with the mask. I think it was just a way of hiding Revan's face. - Sikon [Talk] 05:11, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • If it's from a canonical story, that's how it happened. I don't see why light side Revan can't wear armor? Does armor define one's morality? Does the "restricted to the light side" nonsense apply for Revan's armor too? --Master Starkeiller 11:09, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • His mask looks more like a Mandalorean mask, doesn't it? KEJ 11:33, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • Starkeiller, the problem is, only DS Revan can create a copy of his old robe on the Star Forge. LS Revan can instread create a "Star Forge robe", which looks differently. - Sikon [Talk] 12:06, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • That's just gameplay mechanics. We got an image from a comic and some gameplay mechanics. Which is correct? The image from the comic. That's how I see it. --Master Starkeiller 12:30, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • Makes sense. - Sikon [Talk] 13:23, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • Give it a description similar to the one on Bastila Shan's page (rather than the 'artist's rendition' one) and I see no problem. --Fade 13:25, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

HOW DO U GET REVANS OLD ARMOR IN THE KOTOR GAME....DO U NEED CHEATS?!!!

  • Why is the light side considered canon? The comic book shows him in the dark side robes and the official knights of the old republic 2 web site refers to him specifically as Darth Revan, the Dark Lord of the Sith after he defeats Malak on the Star Forge in the chronicles section. Only the official Star Wars site hints that he's light side with only minor things like saying the Star Forge was destroyed by the Republic, etc. It doesn't actually say the canon ending is light side. So I hope this is taken under consideration. --Kotor mark 19:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
    • The light side ending is considered canon because every LucasArts game ends canonically as the light side choice. There is a definite source for this on one of the talk pages. As for the image: He has a blue lightsaber. That counts for something. In the game, he cannot wear his robes because the light and dark side "special robes" have different characteristics. In a comic, it's not a problem. - TopAce 20:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
      • The whole "he's got a blue lightsaber" thing seems odd to me. The ENTIRE image is blue tinted. Malak didn't canonically have a blue head... it's a vision. (Ulicus 20:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC))
        • Well, I think you have a point. I think I have an explanation: Force predictions are often inaccurate; the vision shows one of the possible futures, not the one to actually come. - Sikon [Talk] 09:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color

I do not agree with the statement that Revans eyes were Yellow. When your character in Kotor slowly turns to the darkside, their eyes don't turn yellow. In fact the iris and pupil dissappear, leaving the ciliary body (=the white stuff). This is with both a male and a female Revan. So.. why don't we change the eye color to.. uh... white? ----Inmobilus 17:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

  • According to the canonical light side ending, Revan only spent a little time being the Dark Lord of the Sith, apart from that, he was the servant of the light side. - TopAce 16:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Most Powerful Sith Lord of All Time change

I've changed "Thought by many to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time" to "Undoubtedly one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time".

The latter is accurate, the former reeks of a fanboyish attempt to convince people that Revan *is* the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, while covering their tracks with "thought by many". Now, Revan may well have been the most powerful Sith Lord of all time - but presenting it as "almost fact" is a mistake on Wookiepedia, because we can't say for sure. --(195.92.168.176 08:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC))

  • I have removed this fanwankery completely. Have you considered registering, by the way? --Imp 08:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I think it's fair to say that Revan was up there with the elite, I just don't think it's right to present him as "the best and greatest there ever was" when there's no hard evidence supporting this. He *might* be, but "might" and "maybe" has no place on Wookiepedia. The most we can say is that he is the most powerful Force user/individual of his generation. Oh, and I may register later... I thought my wikipedia account would work here too. It didn't. (195.92.168.176 09:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Ok, registered. (Ulicus 09:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC))
    • I think it should be added again, it gives readers the same feel the the Republic felt during the Jedi Civil War. Just imagine the odd Coruscanti talking about him; "He's undoubtedly one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time". Jasca Ducato 15:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
      • It's still there in the JCW section, as "one of the" it's just the "considered to be one of" in the first paragraph that was removed. (195.92.168.175 17:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC))
        • Commendable change. Yes Revan was one of the most powerful. I think to avoid fanon inserts on the page that we require user to suggest a change in the discussion section, and if it is agreeable, then we open the page up for edits.nI get tired of little fanboy jerks editting pages and putting in their own incorrect opinions. DarthMalus

Quite a large early edit

I've edited much of the "early life" and "Mandalorian Wars" section to more closely match what we are told in the games, as well as to be more accurate. Saying that Revan was "Possibly born on Deralia" is about as necessary and informative as "Revan was possibly born on Tattooine" - Revan was "possibly" born anywhere, because we don't know where he was born. Some of the edit is more stylistic in nature however. If it's considered to be too dreadful, change it back.(195.92.168.175 17:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC))