Talk: Rahm Kota/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result January 23, 2010 Featured article nomination Success January 30, 2010 Featured article by Cavalier One
Current status: Featured article

Death

Which source states that Kota was killed? I know that if the player in The Force Unleashed is a dark side character, but that doesn't unnecessarily mean he would kill all the light side Jedi he encounters. Remember Tavion from Jedi Knight II. - TopAce 18:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Juyo

This guy has to use Juyo. I mean, If he dosen't I'll pay anybody a thousand bucks... —Unsigned comment by 69.51.150.91 (talk • contribs)

• What leads you to this belief? - TopAce 21:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should ask... Juyo was regarded by Nick Gillard to be a Form that was based off Kenjutsu in Real Life. This was because it was created when Samuel L. Jackson mentioned to Gillard that he had been a big fan of Samurai films as a kid and wanted his Jedi to use a style that embodied that genre. (Prior to the filming of AotC) Accordingly, All of the other lightsaber Forms that were created, with the exception of Shien, were created with techniques garnered from both western and eastern sword arts. Juyo itself was created purely from Kenjutsu, a sword art practiced by the Samurai before their decline. So, Juyo is an artform carrying the legacy of the Samurai. General Kota has been stated to be a "Samurai Jedi" and some of his looks are obviously based off of Samurai fashion.

So, accordingly, Juyo would be the most apropriate Form for him to be a practioner of. That, and since Juyo was the best Form for killing, it makes sense that he would have used his skills to survive Order 66.

Actually, Im a bit suprised you couldn't come to this conclusion yourself... —Unsigned comment by 69.51.150.91 (talk • contribs)

That is lovely conjecture. Kota using Juyo is not, however, supported by a source. SinisterSamurai 22:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Actually it was conjecture, but now it has been stated in The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide that Kota does use Juyo :) Grunny 03:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Starbird

Is it just me or does kota sport a Rebel alliance Starbird?-Sith my ride

After TFU

In the canonical version of TFU, Kota is still alive when the story ends. At the ends of the graphic novel and book, Kota is a Jedi and a founder of the Rebel Alliance. What's up with that? What happens to him? Why dosent he complete Lukes training later? Unsigned

Also, his affiliation should include Kota's Militia as well

• I suppose we'll get a few answers sooner or later (same with Juno Eclipse, her fate after the events of TFU remains unknown). As far as Luke's training is concerned, Kota probably didn't take part in it as Obi-Wan surely wasn't aware of Kota's survival. (Mister D 01:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)Mister D)
• We're definitely going to find out seeing as how Haden Blackman has specifically stated that he is interested in continuing TFU's storyline, albeit Galen Marek will only be mentioned due to his unfortunate passing at the end of the game. Linkstarwars 23:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Kota's image is far too big

What a giant image! Can we lower the size?--Windu223 22:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Hoth-a-like

Kinda reminds me of "Jedi vs Sith's" Lord Hoth (Jedi).Tocneppil 09:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Funny, I thought the exact same thing. Telos 03:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Quote

On the latest documentary for the game, we see Cully Frederickson reading one of Kota's lines. I can't remember what it is exactly, but it sounds like he's addressing the secret apprentice (as the end, he says something like "...and Vader sends a boy after me?" Also, from the sound of things, he becomes a teacher to the apprentice.--Sith Alchemy 101 09:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• Okay, I've got it now-"Months of attacking Imperial targets and Vader sends a boy to fight me?" --Sith Alchemy 101 16:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Eye Color

Do we have any proof of what his eye color is? Im removing it until we can source it. The Secret Apprentice ^{(Personal Comm)} 19:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• dark brown/black. if you look closely at the cut scene prior to the first level

New picture

The new picture used in the biography has a brighter background, but the previous one looked more realistic. Drewton 16:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Duel with Marek

On the page it is said that to end the duel with Kota Marek force pushes Kota out the glass floor sending him falling to Nar Shaddaa. Is this what happens in the Graphic novel? Because in the novelization it happens a little differently. After Marek blinds Kota, Kota releases a telekenetic blast, like a force repulse, that shatters all viewports and Kota is sucked out. But Marek believes that Kota leapt out... I have not seen the Graphic Novel yet, what do you guys think? Bantha Rawk 18:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I have the graphic novel and, from all appearances, it looks like after Marek blinded him he took a step or two backwards (while clutching at his eyes) and the glass he stepped on, that had already been weakened from the duel I imagine, cracked and broke. He then, naturally, fell through the hole. Darth Endis 19:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Blind Photo

Don't we have a picture of Kota when he was blind? JediNTT307 19:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's one: [1] but i don't know if there's enough room in the article. But i really think they're should be one. JediNTT307 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The rest of the story...

Aren't you guys supposed to add in some more of TFU, instead of lazying around? I can't take anymore of you ignoring someone who's trying to help while you keep on doing nothing!! 72.209.10.107 14:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• Wookieepedians are all volunteered, so they essentially only edit what they want. Feel free to get an account and make the additions yourself. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 15:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
• You should shut your piehole and edit pages yourself kid, nobody likes whiners. Tyranitar 16:42, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Nar Shadaa...?

In the Wii, PS2 and PSP versions of TFU, Galen finds him in a bar on Nar Shadaa, and later metions Garm Bel Iblis helping him to get to Cloud City... So the canon version would be that he landed on Nar Shadaa, and during the time Galen had to be treated for his injuries from Vader he went to Cloud City?Stormie Fan 17:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Force Sight

Does anyone think Kota uses Force sight, as he clearly tries to fight, the Emperor and Vader,and seems like he can see them

• I believe most Jedi are taught the rudimentary basics of Force Sight, however also, and this is pure biology, when you lose one sense, all of your others become sharper. Keep in mind also that there is a long period between Kota's duel with Galen and his fights with Vader and the Emperor. So he certainly had time to either perfect one of his senses or train in Force Sight. Linkstarwars 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Master/Knight - General/Senior General?

Kota has been specifically been refered to as a Jedi Master, has he not? If so, then he should have been a Senior Jedi General (military titel for Jedi Masters), as and not simply a Jedi General (military titel for Jedi Masters).

Kota is called simply General by many, but even members of the Jedi coincil were referred to simply as Generals in speech, when in reality their ranks were that of High Jedi Generals. Therefor, it should be edited so that Kota is a Senior Jedi General. —Unsigned comment by 213.89.203.154 (talk • contribs)

Note, though, that Kota did not lead Clonetroopers into battle, prefering his own Militia. The title of Senior Jedi General may not have applied. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 19:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

That's a fairly weak assumption. If it was true that the title Senior General had anything to do with leading clone troopers it would be most likely that the title General would have the same requirement. Kota is most definitely a General, that's a fact, and he didn't like commanding clones, also a fact. The military ranks among Jedi are fairly straight forward, namely: Commander(Padawan), General(Knight), Senior General(Master), High General(Council member). Since Kota is a master, all logic points to him being a Senior General. There were Jedi Generals long before the Clone Wars, so the titles can have little to do with leading clones as opposed to leading military forces in general. - NiklasWB 22:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• No, that's not correct. There should be only 20 Senior Jedi Generals in the GAR, according to ORBAT. Nowhere does it say that every Jedi Master was appointed Senior General. It merely states that every Senior General was a Jedi Master. For example: Luminara Unduli, a Jedi Master, and Commander Gree leads a legion - thus making Luminara an ordinary Jedi General, also according to ORBAT. ~~grobiano~~

Kota states in the game that his connection to the force was "severed" or something like that. He must have been lying the whole time however, or how else could you explain his amazing ability to move while blind, fight with a lightsaber, and use the force to snatch Palpatine's lightsaber from his cloak. AM i correct in this assumption? (71.245.179.166 01:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC))

He could always have regained his connection to the force. Several characters have "severed" their ties to the force, only to regain it simply through a need for it. Kyle Katarn, for instance.

And, most famously, the Jedi Exile. Tyranitar 12:54, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Clones

Why did he refuse to lead the clone troopers? Was it because he didn't know the army's origins? Was he prejudiced against clones? Did he not want to lead a slave army? <font=green>— Aiddat ^(Holonet) 21:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• He didn't trust them. // ~mikah~ 21:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No! they were unfit for battle!

• He saw them for what they ultimately boiled down to (regardless of all attempts at "humanizing them") - "human droids."

What happens to Kota after the duel on the death star?

Does he stay with the Rebel Alliance and isn't important because he his connection with the force is weaken? Does he die? ––Bron Hañda 22:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

• He has his connection back (grabbed Palpatine's lightsaber). Where did the random "fact" of death come from? —Unsigned comment by 68.252.212.68 (talk • contribs)
  • After Kota's dual with Starkiller, Kota temporarily lost his connection to the force. With Darth Vader and the rest of the Galactic Empire hunting down rebels and jedi, is it very far-fetched to think he was killed? ––Bron Hañda 19:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
• If he stays with the Alliance why is he not on Yavin in A New Hope? I think a sequel is inevitable 1705jallen
• He probably would have been killed if he had a lightsaber or a strong connection the force. Darth Tyranitar [[File:'Scentz' (after attack).jpg|20px]] 18:28, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
• I hope that it would be explained in TFU II Der3000er 20:29, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
• After TFU Kota recruits x2 into the Rebel Alliance. Also he gets captured by the Empire during a attack on Cato Nemodia. Also he becomes something of a mentor to the Galen Clone. Also hes responsible for the planning of sveral early important rebel raids including amission to the death star as mentioned in Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadron.

lightsaber

In the mission to correlia he activates a lightsaber. Who's lightsaber did he activate since galen had Kota's lightsaber. Ason Trayon Feb.18 2009

Well I think that the Novel's point of Marek with Kota's lightsaber was artisitc license. Lucasarts didn't change the hilt for the different costumes, which they could have done, and in the comics it's also a blue version of the original, like in the game. Also, Kota does less damage on Cloud City than normal, so perhaps it's a training saber.

Oh, sorry, I see your point. Kota has a new blue lightsaber after losing his green one, but then gets the green one back. Here's a thought: maybe Vader kept the first saber for proxy- so he could use 2 blades and Kota found it. User talk:1705jallen

Lost connection with to the force?

After being blinded after his dual on the TIE Fighter Construction Facility, Kota told Starkiller that he lost his connection with the Force. With his connection lost, how did he snatch Palpatine's lightsaber with the Force durring the Battle on Death Star I? ––Bron Hañda 17:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright, people, this is something that's been bugging me. Like our friend up here said, Kota said he's "no longer a Jedi" after the battle with Starkiller, buuut, that doesn't mean he lost his connection to the force. Just before being captured in Corellia, he says he sees something-I-don't-remember-but's-totally-Jedi-stuff and pulls Palpatine's saber at the Duel.

So, what happened? He retired from "Jedi service" after being blinded, or that may have somehow hampered his connection or handicaped his abilites? Let's try to get this right to update this article, could we? -- D. Cello 02:43, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, children, on http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Cavalier_One/Kota#Fall_from_grace Cavalier One's page about Kota there's a section that pretty much explains this question, and almost any other there might be, so case closed. Nice article there by the way, Cavy. ^^ -- D. Cello 03:00, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Major Adjustments

Wow. This page is really short. It REALLY needs to be replaced with this: User:Cavalier_One/Kota. Any arguments, especially from the author of that page? —Excelsior, The Flash - ^{(Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!)} 21:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing my effort to improve this article. At the moment, though, I do object to it being transferred across. As the author of the aforementioned page, I can tell you that it is not finished, and therefore will not be posted until I am satisfied with it. At that point, it will be run through the featured article process. Until that time, please do not copy the information across to the article. Any attempts to do so will be reverted. Thank you. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 08:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. You got it. —Excelsior, The Flash - ^{(Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!)} 20:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Age

On the article, and on the Tfu website, Rahm joins the Jedi at age 18. Now isn't Anakin the oldest Jedi ever execepted since the Ruusan reformation (1000-19 bby). He was 9. Yes N-I-N-E! Should there be a retcon for this? Say, Kota was a padawan and he left the order on his own homeworld. Like Obi-wan in the Jedi apprentice series. I'm Just sayin', little weird.

If Kota lived in such a volatile environment, he probably was trained to stop him going to the dark side User: 1705jallen

I have to agree, Kota's backstory is a little spotty, and I think this has to do with the fact that he was mostly created as a supporting character in a rather disappointingly short video game. Even if he did receive force training, which is a big if, to prevent him from becoming a dark sider, he would never of become a Jedi due to his age, and in support of this argument I point to the Zabrak Jedi Eeth Koth was almost not admitted at the age of four. It is most likely therefor that he either was a padawan and left the order for some unknown reason, or he was not selected by a Master at the age of thirteen and was relegated to one of the Jedi service corps, and opted then to leave and join the struggle on his home planet. Cheers. lordph8

How does Kota die?

In Return of the Jedi, Yoda states that after he dies Luke will be the last Jedi. Does anyone know at what point Rahm Kota dies?--69.140.203.207 19:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• As of now, no knows how/when Kota died. And by the time of ROTJ, there were still plenty of Jedi around anyway, so it's possible that Kota survived to hear of the Emperor's death. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 19:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Rouge Shadow? Really?

Can someone please correct the spelling to ROGUE Shadow (under Alternate Ending)? I haven't played the game, but I assume the ship is not named after a type of cosmetic.

Ziost?

I've read the book and completed the game but I still don't know why on earth Kota would go to Ziost. Anybody know? Tyranitar 16:10, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

age of joining jedi order

in the article it says that kota joined the jedi order at the age of eighteen - apparently mace windu took him took the jedi temple and his training began with yoda...isn't this a violation of the jedi code? jedi potentials were taken at birth or shortly after (during the old republic & rise of the empire eras)...i mean, the jedi council made a big fuss about anakin skywalker's age (10 yrs) and even about ki-adi mundi & agen kolar...(around 4-i think) **WookieCookie** 18:03, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

• I fail to see how this topic is related to improving the article. Please read the {{talkheader}} for further information about talk pages. Xd1358 _Talk 18:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
• If Kota joined the Order at age 18 - then clearly one of the main rules of the Jedi Code was bent to allow him to do so. Since this is no normal situation - I think it would be an interesting addition to the article if it was mentioned why the Jedi Council approved of his training despite his advanced age - I mean, they must have had a valid reason...something special about Kota perhaps...**WookieCookie** 16:28, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
• I just noticed that my question has already been asked in the 'Age' topic...it seems I'm not the only one to wonder about this issue....apparently details about Kota's past are 'spotty' as mentioned above - maybe we'll get more info in the next installments of TFU... :D **WookieCookie** 16:34, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

TFUII

Since this is has Featured Article status, I thought I would rather add this to the talk page rather than into the article. The website has profiles on the major characters in the game which includes Kota that adds some new information about him. This includes him being " Time and time again Kota proved himself a brilliant tactician and cagey commander, leading the Republic to victory in many encounters throughout the Outer Rim." Also "Unlike other Jedi Generals, Kota chose to rely on human soldiers rather than clone soldiers as he believed that humans would be more creative and resourceful in the field." Lastly there is "Recently General Kota has been listed as missing after suddenly disappearing while on a mission to Cato Neimoidia.". I think these parts should be added into the article since they are new pieces of information since they include that his campaigns were in the Outer Rim, another reason why he didnt use the clones and lastly the setting for the game. Darth Batrus 20:03, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

The first two of your examples are included in the article already, and have already been revealed in previous works concerning Kota. However, the Cato Neimoidia information will be added shortly. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 15:23, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

• It's been almost two months sicne the release of some new information that still isn't up here. Also, with the novel coming out soon, someone should get to updating this page soon.--ID-21 Dolphin ^(Talk) 13:07, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
• The spoilers, at least, should warned against. I have added spoiler templates. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 14:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Image

Shouldn't we have an image from TFU II up here? I'd nominate one, but I don't have the game to take screenshots. --Darth Praxus ^{(Did somebody order a miracle?)} 21:49, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

• There are some really good images of him from TFUII. I will take a couple of screenshots and post them here to see if any of them would be good enough to add to the article. --DarthZaiger 03:12, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
• I don't see why we need one; screenshots are almost always of poorer quality than promotional images like the one that's up there. However, some screens would be necessary in the body of the article.--ID-21 Dolphin ^(Talk) 15:06, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • I see what you mean, the main image is actually really good. The only thing about it is that it shows Kota from when his eyes weren't damaged, which is actuality is only a very small part of his appearance in the Star Wars universe. 1 cut scene and a battle, both in the first level of TFU1. Everything else, the rest of TFU, Battlefront: Elite Squadron and TFU2 he is blind. I don't know if this makes any difference considering he has his eyes for most of his life before that, which I would guess would be about 40-50 years from the way he looks, but I thought I would bring that point up for discussion. Too bad there are no promo images of Kota for TFU2. Like I said, I will take some screenshots of the cutscenes when I get home from work if I remember, I have them in high-def on my computer, and I will upload them. If any of them are good enough for the main image (Which they probably won't be) I'll nominate it, but either way at least there will be some updated images for the article if they fit. --DarthZaiger 16:19, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

"Rahm Kota was a military genius"

Don't you guys think that something talking about his might as a General should be put in the powers section? —Unsigned comment by 189.89.68.236 (talk • contribs)

Known Masters

I noticed on Mace Windu it has Kota listed as his padawan, yet when I try to list Windu as Kota's master it keeps getting removed. Was Windu on of Kota's masters or not? DarthRevan1173 19:23, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

• No. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 19:34, June 5, 2012 (UTC)