Talk: Lightsaber crystal/Legends

Dark Yellow

If you accept "Light Yellow", what's wrong with "Dark Yellow"? Cutch 19:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Because Dark Yellow is generally called Orange? - TopAce 19:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • No, Orange is Yellow with more Red than usual, or Orange is Red with more Yellow than usual. "Dark Yellow" is dark yellow, an amber-ish kind of color. My point: if you delete "Dark Yellow" because it's Orange, then you have to delete Dark Green because it's Blue. Cutch 23:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

BTS Kotor values

Is it worth/presentable that we add the BTS Kotor values to each crystal? I mean what properties they have, what bonuses they give? - TopAce 19:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

KotOR - Dantooine

Does a lightsaber crystal cave appear on KotOR?? Can someone please tell me in which part of Dantooine is?? Axel Shan

It's on KotOR II The Sith Lords. You have to go there to rescue a Jedi Master from some mercenaries (or to kill him if you choose dark side)--84.146.242.94 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

There's also one in KOTOR I. It's near the Sandral Estate. (Near the run-away droid if you activated that quest.) JethLordMaster 20:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC-8)

Red with Evil

Is it worth mentioning that since an early time in history, red lightsaber crystals have been generally associated with the Sith and Dark Jedi? BaronGrackle 08:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

No that's not right at all. Jedi like Adi Gallia have used red lighsabers. And look at Exar Kun or Darth Vader before he put the mask on. I think Sith just always preferred red Lightsabers 'cause they look evil and dangerous (just imagine Darth Sidious with a pink Lightsaber!)--84.146.242.94 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Adi Gallia's red saber is still contested, but even if it is canon it is an exception. Exar Kun is one of the few, certainly; his article suggests that perhaps he was around before red lightsabers were standard for Darksiders. And "Vader" had a lot of Jedi to kill right after becoming a Sith; he built a red saber as soon as he got the time to.

I just know that in all the movies, every single Dark Jedi/Sith depicted (4 total) carries a red lightsaber. Also in the movies, the various Jedi have various different lightsaber colors, but not one of them is red. In much of the expanded universe, the bad guys have red sabers. In many of the video games, Jedi characters are not allowed to have red sabers until they take a dark initiative of their own. I yield that it does not seem to have been from an "early time in history" like I suggested earlier, and perhaps it is like you say, that the Sith just prefer red... who knows? I just think it's worth noting, at least on some level. BaronGrackle 12:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, some Sith even used yellow. I believe Sev Ranc'Tann used one in the Galactic Battlegrounds game, unless that doesn't count. And in the Force Unleashed game, you can change it despite being Sith. All in all, they do appear to prefer red... --ShadowPhantom 00:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

According to the Star Wars Roleplaying game, the reason that Sith so frequently use Red lightsabers is because Synth Crystals are most commonly manufactured in the color Red and thus, they are easier to obtain. They state that Synth Crystals are capable of make a more intensly focus blade, able to cut through material with greater ease, than natural crystals. However, they are less stable than the naturally occuring crystals, often shorting out, which is the reason Jedi don't usually use Synth Crystals.

I forget in exactly what book I read it, but I know that it was mentioned that the Sith's blades were referred to as "bloodshine", instead of just "red". Yes, it is the color red, but that way the lightsabers owned by Jedi could be referred to as "red" or "crimson", and the ones for the Sith were "bloodshine". Much less confusion that way. Lanne Thel-Tanis 23:17, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

It absolutely is worth mentioning that red blades are generally associated with Sith. It says in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader that Jedi generally avoid using red lightsabers simply because of the stigma attatched to them. Of course, there are some exceptions of Jedi using them, such as Adi Gallia and Leia, but these exceptions are few and far between.

Added some new images

I added some new colour crystal images to the bottom of the page from star wars galaxies. BennyR 20:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurrikaine Crystal

Well if they aren't available through normal gameplay, how do you get them? Hacking/modding? JethLordMaster 20:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC-8)

If you do that cheat that involves hacking the system file, i.e. editing "EnableCheats=1" (is that right?), and then it's the cheat: "giveitem u_l_crys_x23" --Darth Timor 16:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Red with evil again

this may sound stupid but didnt darth bane have a purple lightsaber --unsigned.

Not stupid at all. He did indeed have a purple straight handled lightsaber in some comics. In the books, they clearly described a curved handled red saber. This is a discrepancy that has not been resolved. IthinkIwannaLeia 20:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Darth Bane's curved handled red lightsaber was his personal one and it was implied that the lightsaber given to him as a gift from Kas'im at the Sith Academy on Korriban was infact the straight purple-colored one. This occured in Drew Karpyshyn's Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. —Unsigned comment by 132.32.201.9 (talk • contribs)

The lightsaber given to Bane in "Path of Destruction" is the hook-handled red saber. Pg. 211. Specifically "fashioned with a strange curve, giving it a hooked appearance," and "it's single blade burned a dark red." So it just depends on how much accuracy they give the comic, or if they're considering "Path" to be a retcon. There is no implication about a purple saber at all, bookwise at least.

Crystal-less lightsabers?

However not all lightsaber crystals were actually crystals at all. There were plenty of exceptions where a Jedi or Sith would use a different material or substance in place of a crystal, such as physical remains, shards of glass, and even special micro machinery.

Is there a source for this? - Angel Blue ^(Holonet) 20:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• It is known that Krayt Dragon pearls were used to make gemstones. Rainbow Gems (really an organic creature), some types of ore Ingots, and other types of pearls have been used in various sources to make lightsabers. Check the relevant Wook'pedia pages for the cites. Serendipitousus 05:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• • I'm particularly interested in the "special micro machinery" entry but having skimmed through all the crystal entries I don't see any mention of this. --Glacialis 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Lowbacca's lightsaber was mode with part of a projector i asume thats what its talking about diobern 02:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture Gallery Organization

I have reorganized the list of pics in the gallery in a notepad file. I rearranged them from all together to actual crystal pics and characcters. Please comment of whether i should use it or not.

Also I think we need more pics of the other crystals from KotOR.

I went ahead and changed it. I think its much better now.--ShadowTrooper 02:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Gallery of Colors

Does this need to be here at all? We have the exact same gallery over on the lightsaber page. I agree to the gallery of crystals (even if it is rather uninteresting), but the color gallery is identical in two places. I think the gallery should be removed from here, and left on the lightsaber page. Any thoughts before I do this? Maclimes Zero ^(talk) 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• I agree, and take the pic of the crystals off the saber page--ShadowTrooper 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I agree too. Since it's been more than six months and no one has objected, I will go ahead and remove the gallery from here. The same gallery on the lightsaber page gets updated more frequently anyway. Star Force 00:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Black Blade (my curiousity)

Is this really true? i always thought a black blade would be really cool but have as yet not found it. So if you wouldn't mind someone telling me where is this said? --Darth Timor 16:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, right, it means Crystal Colours, nevermind --Darth Timor 18:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, a black bladed lightsaber crystal is available on Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (video game), but only on PS3 and XBOX 360 versions. Look on the Lightsaber crystal page for an image of what a black lightsaber blade is meant to look like (scroll down the page). (Cross Bladestar 16:07, December 31, 2009 (UTC))

Exile's lightsaber?

Should the Jedi Exile really be listed as wielding a cyan lightsaber under "Known color crystals"? The colour of her lightsaber is still unconfirmed, isn't it? FilippiliF 12:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

- The canon of both KOTORS is as follows, from Bioware. these things were released upon the SW:TOR forums, the devs released this info there if your feeling curious. Revan was male, light side, exile was male, light side. As for the colour of his blade, it was either cyan or light blue. Look for the pictures of Darth Treya before she falls, she is always pictured holding his saber. -unsigned

• The Exile was female. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 03:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Game play vs. continuity

Most of the special powers of crystals is based off features of game play by various video and role-playing games, and is not based on the story lines of the games. Game play functions are not cannon (i.e. you wouldn't say that the sarlacc took twelve strokes of a light saber to kill because that is how it was in the super nintendo game, or that evo troopers were not able to be force grabbed because you couldn't do it in Unleashed), but the story lines are.

Now, there are a few instances of crystals having powers in actual story lines (i.e. Kaiburr, and Lambant) so it is probable that other crystals did infact have powers, but when you have a crystal in a game that "increases lightning damage" it is hard to argue that it was intended to be cannon outside of the game. I feel it is important to mention this.

I think it should be mentioned in a BTS section. I realize that this article has been the subject of clean up, so I am apprehensive to add that section. But I think I will. If people who have put more time in it disagree, there is always reversion. IthinkIwannaLeia 20:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Black Crystal: canon, or easter egg?

Seeing the edit war going on in this article about the black crystal leads me to this question: Is the Black crystal something that is acually confrimed to be canon, or is it an easter egg/bonus, and therefore non-canon (easter eggs and bonuses aren't canon as far as i know). If it's an easter egg/bonus, then it shouldn't be in the article, exept maybe in the BTS section. So is this actually confirmed to be canon (for example, has Leland Chee said it's canon) or it is nothing more than a non-canon easter egg? 96.233.183.19 21:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• It's not an easter egg, but the act of obtaining the crystal certainly isn't part of The Force Unleashed story. To be more specific, the crystal can be found in-game (how, I'm not sure) and used by the player at any time. This is in a similar manner to which players can find crystals in the KotOR series, said crystals being listed here as well. // ~mikah~ 21:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
• I don't agree. It's definatly non-canon. It's rather hard to find in the game, and there is no details about it like the crystals in the KotOR series. It defies the very definition of light and energy, with black being an utter absense of the two. That being said, if a black lightsaber blade exists, then the very definition of a lightsaber, what it is and how it works, has to be redefined as well. If a lightsaber blade is neither light nor energy, then what exactly is it? —Unsigned comment by 70.41.15.82 (talk • contribs)
  • You take the term "lightsaber" far too literally; all the crystals do is define the color of the blade. As far as the absence of color goes, that would be white, which is found in the core of the emitted blade, though white blades still exist regardless. And lastly, in response to the out-of-universe comments, how hard it is to find and details about the crystal make no difference whatsoever. If it is indeed non-canon, or canon after all, it still needs a mention somewhere in this article as being a utilized crystal. // ~mikah~ 01:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• • • Thank you, Mikah. I'm so sick of people taking thinks far too literally as well. And according Lee, the SW video games are 100% cannon (with respect to the canon ending). So since the black crystal in no way hinders the final outcome and the canon ending is still there, it is overwhelmingly obvious that this lightsaber crystal exists. Get over it people!! 24.111.197.133 18:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The black crystal is an easter egg/non-canon item that you find in collectible holocrons that are used as secondary objectives in the game. This is just like all the DLC constumes that are obviously not canon to the game. It is meerly something extra to add to the re-playability of the game and hardly allowed to be considered canon. It was never a part of the actual story of the game to go around collecting holocrons. All the ones that where relavant to the game's story like the blue crystal where laid out in front of you to collect. In fact you can't avoid collecting that crystal because it is a part of the story as mentioned in the novelization of the game.

• Do you have proof that this is an easter egg/non-canon? If not, then you are just stating your opinion, nothing more. Therefore, it is 100% canon until a statement from SW comes out saying otherwise. 24.111.197.133 23:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• • there is the part that you only see the red and blue lightsabers during cut scenes no matter what other color you where using durring the mission.Darthwin 15:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• • • Actually, wouldn't it be the other way around? Since the black crystal in no way affects the story, and in fact can be completely bypassed, it would be considered non-canon until a statement comes out canonizing it. After all, unless you have proof that it is NOT an easter egg/IS canon, you are merely stating your opinion, nothing more. Therefore, it is 100% NOT canon until a statement from SW comes out stating otherwise.

If a black lightsaber is canon, then so is the Buick. Republic Captain 18:53, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

So, Is it canon or not? Alexrd 14:42, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Star Wars The Clone Wars second season episode "The Mandalore Plot" has the Governor of Concordia being the leader of Death Watch, he used a black bladed Lightsaber that was stolen from the Jedi Temple by his ancestors during the fall of the Old Republic. So unless the cartoon is not canon, the black blade is without a doubt 100% absolutely unambiguously canon. --Revan's Exile 19:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Here is photographic proof from the Death Watch article which is from the cartoon. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Clonewarsdeathwatch.jpg --Revan's Exile 19:54, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Color Crystals

Aren't "color crystals" separate from the "named crystals" merely a game mechanic? In the expanded universe literature, if I'm not mistaken, the various crystals listed such as "Adegan" or "Kaiburr" are also responsible for the lightsaber's color. There's no separate "color" crystal that has no name other than its color, i.e. there is no "green crystal", there is a "green Adegan crystal". The section "Known color crystals" suggests there's particular crystals specifically devoted toward color, but that seems to just be a game mechanic in the KOTOR games, Force Unleashed and SWG(?). Perhaps the section should be retitled "Known colors", or something along those lines? Correct me if I'm wrong about this, I'm just going off my knowledge. Barringer 07:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, that would be my take on it as well. Just an easy way to set up a game system. I agree with the "Known Colors" switch as well, perhaps taking the crystals section and adding an addendum as to what colors that crystal creates. Like the Durindfire gem, which is supposed to give the lightsaber a "distinctive silver sheen" (I, Jedi pg 481) Jxspyder 07:32 04 August 2009

Compressed/Unstable Crystals

In The Force Unleashed you can pick up and equip three different types of colour crystal: regular, compressed and unstable. I was just wondering, do the other two actually provide any practical benefit in-game or do they just give Galen something pretty to look at when he gets bored? 92.2.114.201 22:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• Nope, just change the appearance of the blade. Barringer 22:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

crystals

what crystal would give me a dark green color of a lightsaber?

Ultra saber product

Where is the info for that? --Revan's Exile 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Crystal and colors.

I think someone should make a chart that shows the names of the gems and the color it would make the lightsaber.

No Viridian

Viridian doesn't really deserve a link, since all it does is take you straight back to the lightsaber crystal page... --DrizztxGuen 18:10, December 15, 2009 (UTC) Next time instead of making a useless edit to the discussion page just do it. Quit wasting our time. --Revan's Exile 18:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Krayt dragon Pearls

The article says that a krayt dragon pearl makes the blade a pearl white. However in Knights of the old republic the krayt dragon pearl isn't a color crystal, its on that affects the power of the blade so I'm confused. —Unsigned comment by 66.38.109.245 (talk • contribs)

• This falls under the category of Gameplay mechanics as opposed to canonical information. That is why it is not mentioned. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 03:04, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Banned by the Empire

The article says "The Galactic Empire banned trade and possession of all lightsaber crystals." Do we have a source for this? I know that lightsabers themselves were banned, except among the Empire's own Force adepts, but banning lightsaber crystals would essentially mean that all crystals were banned. After all, just about any kind of crystal can be used in a lightsaber. So without a canon source being cited to back it up, the claim of lightsaber crystals being banned seems dubious. (Even with a source it'd be ridiculous, but there's no rule saying ridiculous things can't be canon.) — Red XIV ^(talk) 06:00, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Amber lightsaber

Is there someone who know who had a amber lightsaber? VolteMetalic 20:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Special properties

Do certain crystals give lightsabers special properties~? THIS IS NOT SPARTA!?! I AM LOST_T 02:30, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Can you modify a lightsaber crystsl or combine them

Force Unleashed II

I noticed that there are many crystals from TFU on this page, and was wondering if the crystals from TFUII should also be added.--JacobMarek

• If they are new, then yes. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 22:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion

I think we need to add a gallery of colors. There used to be one on both this page and the Lightsaber page, but unfortunately both have been removed. Both. I think we need to add it back. Is this acceptable? If no one responds with negative feedback, I'll start working on it.--ARC Commander Colt 02:41, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

• Pretty sure this means no. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 22:58, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

???

In Riptide it states that cutting the lightsaber crystal off from the force will cause the lightsaber to shut off. If this is true then how come Luke's lightsaber was able to function on Myrkr in Heir to the Empire when they were surrounded by Ysalamiri?

Why aren't the Mestare crystals listed on this page? They have their own page on this wiki. On the lightsaber page, under the mechanics section, it states 'The ideal number of crystals was three.' I know that there is a primary crystal and a focusing crystal. What was the purpose of the third one?

74.130.109.29 20:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

In the OT, the sabers couldn't cut through some metal

I noticed in the first movies, the sabers can't cut through things other than people. Strangely, Luke's blade bounces off the railing in the final dual with Vader, yet slices right through Vader's hand. Earlier, the saber cut the supports of that bridge, but not those rails. Is this a mistake or something that should be included? 65.24.29.78 23:18, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Tera's light saber

Shouldn't Tera Sinube be in the silver list?

Kyber Crystal [Legends]

The Legends page of this article states that lightsaber crystals were also known as "kyber crystals". I know kyber crystals were a type of lightsaber crystal in Legends canon, but I don't recall them ever being collectively referred to as that except in Disney canon.

Could someone either edit this or, if I'm wrong, please explain to me why? Please and thank you.

185.230.126.22 17:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)NebulaofCats

• Multiple legends sources, including Onslaught at Arda I, use the term. VergenceScatter (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • What level of canon was this, though? Was this actual story information or just gameplay details? (Forgive the lack of indentation; I don't know how.) 84.17.63.56 17:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC) NebulaofCats
    • It was a sourcebook, not a gameplay detail. Regardless, as the name was used in an officially licensed Legends source, it's appropriate to include it in the article. VergenceScatter (talk) 05:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Forgive my taking so long to reply, but what exactly was the sourcebook? (Also, how do I add a signature? Sorry.) —Unsigned comment by 74.119.146.40 (talk • contribs)
        • Chronicles of the Gatekeeper uses the term. There may be others as well, but one is enough to list it as an alternate name. Ypu can add your signature by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~. VergenceScatter (talk) 05:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
          • Ah, okay. So if I'm understanding correctly—and please correct me if I'm wrong—then while Disney canon states kyber crystals were the only type of lightsaber crystal, Legends canon states that kyber crystals were simultaneously a type of lightsaber crystal whilst also being used as simply a synonym for lightsaber crystals in general. 84.17.63.56 20:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
            • I don't know of any source that states that they are a type of lightsaber crystal. Everything I've seen just uses kyber crystal as a general term for the crystals. VergenceScatter (talk) 20:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
              • I see. Well, I appreciate you having the patience you have had for explaining this to me as you have. I thank you. :) 89.187.180.39 20:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There needs to be attention paid to legends page inclusion of kyber crystal. the phrasing of "also known as kyber crystals" is false, no matter your position on whether kyber crystals existed in legends. inclusion of the term is confusing and misleading.—Unsigned comment by Keithberries (talk • contribs)

• Doesn't matter what you think. This wiki documents what the sources say. End of story. OOM 224 22:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Actually, it does matter what people think on a wiki. the foregrounding of kyber crystal on the legends lightsaber crystal page is misleading. no sources contradict that statement. The only legends sources that call lightsaber crystals Kyber Crystals were released post disney (including the clone wars episodes). Legends is legends but the term is clearly being informed by canon. Current conception of Kyber Crystals is wholly mechanically and contextually distinct from legends conception of lightsaber crystals. References to "kyber" should be moved, elaborated or backgrounded. If the purpose of the legends tab is to be a source for legends knowledge and pre-Disney star wars history and concepts, the current sentence on Kyber Crystals is inaccurate. Keithberries (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
    • I have checked the sources provided above Onslaught at Arda Iand Chronicles of the Gatekeeper and it seems to me that neither book refers to lightsaber crystals as Kyber crystals. the only source on the Lightsaber/Legends page that claims it cites lightsaber crystals being called kyberl crystals links to a defunct starwars.com encyclopedia page dated AFTER the disney sale. the fact is, lightsaber crystals are NOT known as Kyber crystals. Is a Krayt Dragon Pearl a kyber crystal? is a rainbow gem?Keithberries (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
      • Doesn't matter. If you just have a glance at the Appearances/Sources list, you'll find that kyber crystal is mentioned in The Clone Wars episodes and the old Encyclopedia entries on StarWars.com. Ergo, kyber crystal is valid information. Removing them is violation of site policy. OOM 224 23:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
        • the episode aired after the sale to disney. it's clearly a product of the new canon. regardless, the phrasing "also known as kyber crystals" is wrong even granting that. krayt dragon pearls are not also kyber crystals! rainbow gems are not also kyber crystals! Synthetic sith crytals are not also kyber crystals. It's willfully a distortion of Legends and intentionally unhelpfully framed. Please acknowledge the reasoning behind the refusal to rephrase, expand or clarify Keithberries (talk) 23:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
          • i would love to see an answer on this because i know there is no answer on this. maybe a second opinion from another mod or whatever you are. wikis are user editable. they should be written in the most helpful and clarifying way possible. please answer this: do you believe that Legends thinks that all lightsaber crystals are also known as kyber crystals? i will reuse my examples above. are rainbow gems and krayt pearls and the dozen other non kyber crystal lightsaber crystals also known as kyber crystals? or would it be best to rewrite, rephrase, clarify, expand or remove that clause? Keithberries (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
            • This discussion is over. Everything that needed to be said has already been said. Plus, the Behinds the scenes section has been expanded to make it super clear that kyber crystal is another term for lightsaber crystals. Disagree with the facts all you like, but leave the kyber crystal part here alone or you will be blocked from editing this article for disruption. OOM 224 07:28, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
              • its not the same term, it refers to an entirely different concept. it refers to the concept accurately described by the Canon page. The kyber crystals of the Clone Wars episodes are physically and metaphysically distinct from all previous lightsaber crystal lore. the absolute refusal to see the issue here is baffling. The compromise is inadequate. another mod should chime in, you are clearly not capable of having this discussion in any meaningful way. there is no sense and indeed not a single source that supports the idea that kyber crystals as referred to in the clone wars episode and in subsequent canon have anything to do with lightsaber crystals in Legends. it is plainly a different concept.Keithberries (talk) 12:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
                • For the record, the canon reboot happened in 2014, and the TCW episode aired in 2012, so it's quite clearly not a product of the new canon. Plus we also have official word from the story group here that TCW existed in Legends. Lewisr (talk) 12:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
                  • Keithberries is incorrect in claiming that sources released after the Disney purchase are not valid Legends sources, but the basic thrust of his argument is sound. The Clone Wars does not establish "Kyber Crystal" as a new way of referring to crystals established in previous sources, it contradicts those sources by claiming that Kyber Crystals are the only possible lightsaber crystals. Kyber Crystals and Lightsaber Crystals are two different concepts for how a lightsaber works, not one concept referred to by different names. If there's a source that purports to resolve this contradiction by clarifying that all previously established lightsaber crystals (e.g., rainbow gems and krayt pearls as Keithberries mentions) are actually Kyber crystals, that source should be cited. Otherwise, what we have are two different contradictory versions of how a lightsaber works, not one known by two names. If you were looking for a way to resolve that contradiction, one could rationalize that actually, lightsaber crystals in general are sometimes called Kyber crystals, but without a source then that is at best a fan theory. Nowwearealltom (talk) 14:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
                  • yes, the above is exactly right. there is no source that claims Kyber crystals is another word for lightsaber crystals. we are dealing with a totally new concept (a concept accurate described and accurately located in the Canon tab). You'll note that the Legends page for Lightsabers contains dozens of references to crystals and not one mention of Kyber. Regardless of quibbles over the exact canonicity my argument as always been conceptual: as a concept there is no source for kyber being synonymous with lightsaber crystals. It's just blatantly not the case. Keithberries (talk) 09:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
                    • I'm not sure I follow how Test of Strength suggests that they're a distinct concept. We see the younglings go to Ilum and gather crystals for their lightsabers, as has been portrayed many times before in Legends previously. Hondo then says that what they've got are kyber crystals, referring to the crystals they've collected to put in their lightsabers. The crystals are ultimately used in lightsabers as lightsaber crystals have always been previously in Legends. It seems pretty clear to me that it's just an alternate name for lightsaber crystal, what are you suggesting is the alternate concept being portrayed? Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
                      • the interaction Huyang, for starters: "Yes, you have brought me crystals, but they're all useless unless you give them life. Do you know how to awaken the Force within the crystal?" Force-bonding to activate a kyber crystal appears nowhere else and directly contradicts dozens of Legends sources on how lightsabers work. It does, however, fit exactly with the canononical kyber crystal concept. Keithberries (talk) 10:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
                      • any response to this from Ayrehead02? Keithberries (talk) 19:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
                        • To me that doesn't represent a new concept. These are crystals, collected from Ilum, that are used in the construction of lightsabers by younglings of the Jedi Order, which is exactly what lightsaber crystals are. The intent for them to be lightsaber crystals is very clear even if that one detail does differ, but what sources explicitly state that there's no use of the Force involved in adding a crystal to a lightsaber? Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I just read these sourcebooks to double check this. Chronicles of the Gatekeeper does not call lighstaber crystals Kyber Crystal,s Kyber crystals feature in it, are used as a lightsaber crystal at one point, but are also made out to be distinct from other types of lightsaber crystals at one point in the book (Page 70). Onslaught at Arda I doesn't even feature the word kyber at all, and the only crystal in the book is in a holocron. If these are the only sources for the claim that lightsaber crystals are also known as Kyber crystals in legends I don't think that claim holds any water. —Unsigned comment by 99.241.74.155 (talk • contribs)

Since I'm being pulled into this debate, my opinion is as follow: as TCW S5E07 "A Test of Strength" was released in November 2012, making it without a doubt a part of the Legends continuity (discontinued in it's vast majority on April 25, 2014), the concept of kyber crystals is therefore part of Legends. Note that the concept would have originated around two years earlier (2010) in pre-production, and considering the production number is "4.23", pre-production has probably happened even earlier, in 2009, long before Disney buyout on October 30, 2012 (which again, doesn't matters in this case, but I'm just making the point as clear as possible). With this timeline in mind, let's go to semantics: what does the documents tell us about the relation to the terms "Lightsaber crystal" and "Kyber crystal"? There is no evidence of separation of meaning in the "Legends" documentation, in fact it's absolutely the opposite, since the Encyclopedia published on november 2012 (per oldest archival date available) a small article titled "Lightsaber crystals", and the first sentence state this "At the heart of every Jedi lighstaber is a kyber crystal harvested from the icebound caves of Ilum.". The article use lightsaber crystal and kyber crystal interchangeably, and even nail it with "every". I would conclude this quick semantics analysis by stating that you cannot look at a similar (even if named the same way) concept in two continuities and except them to hold the same meaning across continuity, so the Legends definition of a Kyber crystal doesn't have to match the one in Canon (which is more fleshed-out). My conclusion is that our article is right in is use of Kyber crystal in the Legends context. Some final word of advice: "Don't blame the player, blame the game", Wookieepedia goal is to record the Star Wars universe, even when the document contradict themselves... and we all know how The Clone Wars wrecked havoc on the Expanded Universe: Wookieepedia cannot be considered at fault when the meaning of a concept get retconned. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 11:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Couldn't the Kyber Crystal debate be solved with an easy compromise?

Couldn't the debate about kyber crystals be fixed by simply changing the opening from "Lightsaber crystals, also known as kyber crystals, were a variety of crystals, gems, stones, or other objects that were used as the energy source of a lightsaber." To "Lightsaber crystals, which depending on the source may be called "kyber crystals"(insert a source here for where all of them are called kyber crystals), were a variety of crystals, gems, stones, or other objects that were used as the energy source of a lightsaber. Due to conflicting legends canon, it's unknown if kyber crystals are used as a colloquial name for lightsaber crystals (even those not using them) or if its just the nature of conflicting sources. Could also include an etymology section. This is just for the legends section of course. —Unsigned comment by 8.2.72.35 (talk • contribs)

• With the exception of the "Behind the scenes" (BTS) section, the prose content of a page is meant to be written from an IU (in-universe) perspective, as per the Perspective section of the Manual of Style. However, any editor could update the BTS to better reflect the reality of the documentation. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 16:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

The 2015 Star Wars: Force and Destiny Core Rulebook does in fact establish Krayt dragon pearl is a type of kyber crystal.

The resulting "krayt dragon pearls" are vanishingly rare, hard to acquire, and demand exorbitant prices. Since they are a type of kyber crystal, they can be worked into powerful lightsaber crystals—ones which produce an exceptionally savage and destructive blade that makes an unsettling howling noise when swung about. A krayt dragon pearl is a lightsaber crystal.

--Goodmind (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

• Ah thanks, I was unable to check this source at the time, but yes, it does provide more context to the Legends definition to kyber crystals (with TCW crystals named "Ilum crystal"). I've again updated the BTS to reflect this information. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 17:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)