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The result of the debate was gallery-only images to be deleted, per WookieepediaMofference-20070223.pdf|Feb 23 Mofference, Forum:Gallery Deletion, and Forum:Unused images deletion. —Silly Dan (talk) 01:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think most of us agree on the following: 1) Wookieepedia is not a gallery 2) Images in articles should help explain, not overcrowd With that said, there is an increasing number of images which exist solely in these "gallery" pages and on user pages. Galleries of images in use in articles is one thing, but uploading images simply for display purposes threatens our ability to use copyright images with our current ease, and they're a waste of space. For example, the following Anakin Skywalker images fall into the described category:

  • File:Sith8.jpg
  • File:Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker.jpg
  • File:News ep3 anakin.jpg

Is there support for clearing out these wasteful and dangerous images? --SparqMan 17:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

  • If it comes down to a vote, I'd vote to clear them out. —Silly Dan (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Images for display purposes only, yes — clear 'em out. —Mirlen 19:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd also like to delete some redundant images from the Gallery of Anakin Solo images. —Mirlen 21:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I think I agree, for the most part. We're already pushing 'fair-use' to the limit, and we definitely don't need stuff like User:Cheesehead/Gallery of Slave Leia Images|this. RMF 06:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Though I agree some galleries have a little too much that is not seen elsewhere, aside from the visual aide it may be to a visitor they also have another possible purpose. Every now and then we get a source which expands the story of a certain character/ship/droid/etc... and having a few "spare" images lying around could be useful. Nevertheless I agree some galleries take advantage of this. --Sauron18 07:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, there's definitely an overflow of images in galleries that are more for visual purposes. Perhaps there should be a more defining and clearer policy concerning images that're being uploaded and implemented in galleries and articles — as well as the general information that qualifies an image used for the character infobox. —Mirlen 14:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I definitely support not allowing them. - Lord Hydronium 02:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, don't they serve illustrative purposes in some way. I mean, in any case they could be arued to illustrate the character, location etc. as they are presented in various SW-material. I know, it's stretching it a bit but.... KEJ 06:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Agreed. If the galleries are only collating pics already on pages, that's fine. However, it seems people are uploading pics specifically for the galleries - that, in my mind, cannot be justified as fair use, and is a big no no. QuentinGeorge 06:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Also agreed. If we can't make a good faith effort at fair use for an image by putting it usefully in an article, we shouldn't have the picture in the first place. jSarek 09:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It's pretty much all for fun and Star Wars information. I enjoy looking at pictures as much as reading about subjects. We should be tolerant of galleries. -Aiddat 03:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    • agreed, however some pictures are useless, even to look at. Theres also a large amount of pictures that seem to be exclusivly for home pages, which surely must take a toll on memory, plus it looks very in professional. Jedi Dude 20:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • So before I starting citing this as a policy, is it really official yet or do we need to have a vote first? -- Ozzel 22:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd like to say it's official, but a vote might be needed before editing the policy page. —Mirlen 01:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I think that we should put this to a vote.–SentryTalk 02:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Delete Gallery-exclusive images

  1. SentryTalk 02:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. Delete. Not fair use. jSarek 04:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  4. Imp 09:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  5. Mirlen 00:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  6. Ozzel 06:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  7. Get them outta gere! .... 08:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  8. I still agree with Eyrezer, but I don't think we should risk violating copyright law.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 07:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  9. I agree as long as the images are not needed; even if uploading is a pain it's worth following the law for. <3 China! 22:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep them

  1. --Eyrezer 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC) I'm thinking mostly of the species galleries. Normally most of the pics are used in articles anyway, but I think they are very informative. and worth keeping. A gallery quickly illustrates the physical characteristics and diversity of a race or species, which I think is a great boon to the Wookieepedia.
  2. I agree.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 17:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. Here's my reasoning: a lot of our major characters should *hopefully* be expanded soon, so I would prefer those images stay there so they can eventually be used in articles if needed. Re-uploading can be a pain. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Audience Chamber) 21:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Images that are used solely in galleries do not qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law. –SentryTalk 02:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Then why is there even a vote? Delete them. Havac 03:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I started a vote simply to keep the debate active. For some reason, when users get the opportunity to vote, they suddenly get involved in a discussion. Secondly, I think that a clear consensus, as revealed in a vote, is nice to have for our records and it is helpful in forming policy.–SentryTalk–03:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I'd like to clarify something. Galleries such as this, this, and this would remain open since 99.9% of the images there are used in one or more articles, is that correct? - JMAS 01:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
        • This discussion isn't about deleting galleries. We are proposing that images that are only used in such galleries should be deleted.–SentryTalk 06:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't see the point of having a gallery if all the images are in the article. If we are to delete gallery-exclusive images, we may as well delete galleries all together, because, in my opinion, they would just be a waste of space.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 17:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
            • I have to disagree. If all the images contained therein are used in actual articles, then the galleries are good way to display images from an entire category. Take Jedi for example. If someone is looking for images of different Jedi, they could navigate from one article to the next to the next trying to find them. Or, they could go to the Gallery of Jedi to see them all in one convenient location. - JMAS 18:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
              • OK, you have a point, but if a gallery that is only for one article has images that only appear in that article along with gallery-exclusive images, I think it should e deleted.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 18:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
                • I'll agree with you there. - JMAS 18:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • So what about a gallery like this one? The article is not big enough to fit them all in, yet all pictures are quite different. Of the 8, 4 are used elsewhere. I think a gallery like this is a good way to avoid stuffing many good pics into an article that may not be long enough to take them. --Eyrezer 22:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
                    • I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, we're on the losing side. Anyway, I don't think we should delete all gallery-exclusive images without thinking. We should look through them to see if they would be useful in any articles.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 20:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

"Unknown" galleries

One thing to clarify . . . how would this affect galleries such as Gallery of unnamed Rebels and Gallery of unidentified species, which exist in place of articles about their topics? It seems to me the information provided by these galleries cannot be provided without these images, and are thus much more defensible as Fair Use. I'd say they probably should be kept on that basis. jSarek 07:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Good point. I think if the only way to know about something in a gallery is to have a picture (because there is a lack of information) then the picture/gallery should stay. If the picture is just there to "look cool" then take it away, unless someone can find a way to put it into an article that looks reasonably decent or are tryint to find a good image for a new/existing article and need other's help. Ciao.<3 China! 22:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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