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Number of sections

I think we should dramatically reduce the number of sections in this article, it makes it look kinda messy. We don't need a section for each level of the game, and the game takes place over only a nine month time period. We should merge them into each other and name them so that the name covers a larger period. DjMack 17:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Do you think simply removing some of the headings would work? I think the content is fine.--Anonyhm 01:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Yeah thats what I meant, I just worded it really badly. DjMack 03:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Looks like someone added more material. It seems to have stretched out the headings in a couple of places. With some work, the same could probably be done where it wasn't so effective, or applied. What do you think?--Anonyhm 02:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I like what Jensaarai did with rearranging. I think the heading for "declaration of a rebellion" is one paragraph too low, though. Anyone agree? I don't have time to get to it, myself; sorry.--Anonyhm 20:29, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Quote

I believe that the quote at the top of the page is not a good one to open this article with... it should have stayed as "Rise, my apprentice".

  • I thought that was stupid when the quote was that. You need something that describes the character. And that quote was too cliche. DjMack 16:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Okay... I just thought that since the quote at the top of the page only represents part of his life, it would make more sense to use that quote somewhere else and to use another one that describes his full character at the top. But it's OK with me. Kgrimes2 19:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
      • I think the quote defines his character very well. He's in general a very conflicted character. After all, everything he's ever been taught turns out to be a lie. JethLordMaster (Talk) 21:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC-8)

I've changed the quote to one that represents both his path life as a Sith apprentice and assisting in the founding of the Rebellion. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 17:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Yes, but that is not the full quote. In the page it is "He was meant to root out the Rebels. His sacrifice will only inspire them." However, in the book and at least one version of the game it is "He was meant to root out the Rebels, not give them hope. His sacrifice will only inspire them." Therefore, I am changing it to that as that is what Palpatine actually says.--Master Tej 17:03, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image

The current image represents him only as Vader's apprentice, has been there months before the game was released, and desparetely needs to be changed. I propose one of these four images, which are of Galen in Jedi robes on the Death Star.

Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 17:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I was previously unaware that he used the same costume on Corellia and immediately before Corellia in the cutscenes, so here's photo bucket dot com )/albums/h298/Star_Wars_Legacy/apprenticeinfobox_06.jpg another option, which I think is the best for the infobox. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 18:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm all for it. Though that's just me. Others might be less willing to change the infobox image. Black backgrounds are always covering up for sloppy cropping. --Redemption25px(Talk) 03:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I heartily agree with you, Drewton old chap! The current picture shows Galen as a slave. I say we show him as a free man! DarthWill3 00:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Since there is no objection, I've replaced the infobox image with the last one suggested now. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 03:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

After seeing it, I feel I should object to the new one, because he looks like a kid who's just about to try to whistle for the first time. -MPK 04:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Finally! Good job. I hated that old infobox image. --Victortalk 04:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The image used is not any of these and is too close up, pixily, and poor quality. The original was fine, as it appears the site refers promo images as they show full body and stuff. We should change it back or vote and notify. --SuperFlash101 20:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Infobox images are always close-ups, never full-body. Some don't even show the entire head, as in Cade Skywalker. The original was way too dark and just wasn't suitable for an infobox image. The angle was awkward, in addition. It's also important to show characters in the latest known parts of their life. Obi-Wan Kenobi's image is terrible with an ugly yellow background, but because it shows the latest part of his life, it has to be there, no matter the quality. The same with Darth Caedus. The current image is the best quality one I could find in the cutscenes of that time of his life. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 23:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Drewton, is there a rule somewhere saying that infobox images must always be close-ups and must show the person as she or he was in the last part of her or his life, and also that image quality is irrelevant? I ask this because it looks to me like you just fixed something that wasn't broken in order to conform to an unwritten rule. Also, according to this rule, shouldn't the main image for the Anakin Skywalker article be one of Vader at the end of Episode 6, rather than Anakin as seen in Episode 3? -MPK 00:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No, but it's a tradition that's been done for years, and a good one. If I recall previous discussion regarding Anakin's image correctly, it was because his Force Ghost was of the young Anakin, unlike Kenobi's. IMO, there are no major quality problems in the new image, but feel free to start another vote. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Okay, so who wants to use the old one? (Me, for one) And I understand, Drewton, you use the latest image of the person. But it should also be noticed that it should 1) Look nice, 2) Be recognizable, 3) Be good quality, and 4) Represent the character and it's personality. Therefore, Anakin's image is perfect, since for about half of his entire life he was evil and dark hearted. I still don't understand why Anakin has a Jedi template instead of a Sith one. He was just redeemed for, like, ten minutes, and I don't think he was considered a Jedi still. --SuperFlash101 05:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Policy dictates that it's whatever looks best for the infobox. Typically, the general consensus has been that headshots (almost mug shots) are, by the community, liked the best. Obi-Wan, it was decided that the majority wanted to have Alec Guiness in the infobox rather then Ewan and that's the best we've got of Alec, unfortunately. If it were bigger, I'd just crop it out myself and slap it against white. Anakin's was one that has been discussed in length numerous times and that's the result especially since Vader/Anakin were once separate articles. Cade was just something I did and did not discuss it at all with anyone. I'm actually surprised nobody brought the subject up. Now for this article. The former looks awful in an infobox. The crop is bad and the black sucks. If it were bigger, I'd vouch to crop it at the neck. But it can't be so the one Drewton suggests is the best option. --Redemption25px(Talk) 05:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Redemtion, I don't agree with you on the last part. I loved the previous one, as it supllied exactly what people think of when they think either "The Secret Apprentice," "Starkiller," or "Galen Marek." The black worked perfectly, and the aim was fine. It wasn't a horrible closeup like Ashoka's or Obi-Wan's, and it was cropped perfectly at the beginning of his leg. It was like, "He's ready to fight." This, this is like just an odd expression as he's wearing those horrible bulky white clothes and his face is very hard to make out. The old one was just about the best quality I could think of, and it was really unneeded to change something that wasn't broken. And I thought Vader and Anakin were separate pages once; how ridiculous. Two pages on the same guy. --SuperFlash101 15:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
    • I completely disagree about the cropping and the face being hard to make out. In the old one, the face was completely shadowed, and the black made it even worse. And, this is just me personally, but the image only made me think of "The Secret Apprentice" and "Starkiller", not "Galen Marek". Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 16:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Look, I've looked over that image a hundred times. It looks fine, just as good as Anakin's and everybody else's. I say, let's put a new vote: --SuperFlash101 00:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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Votes

Image 1

  1. SuperFlash101 00:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. MPK 02:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. I think this one looks best --Anonyhm 16:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Chack Jadson(Talk) 02:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Image 2

  1. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 01:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. Redemption25px(Talk) 17:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. Options 1 and 2 are both good in quality and focus, but as Redemption said, the infobox image is meant to represent character's last appearance, hence why option 2. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...16px 18:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Gravy666 21:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. NaruHina Talk 14px 02:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Logan Felipe 19:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
  7. Ranveer2(Talk) 20:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Image 3

Image 4

Image 5

To comment on Image 5, that would be completely unsuitable for the infobox. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 01:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

And option 3 has half of his face covered with hood, which is not good for the infobox as well. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...16px 18:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's been forever. Guess it's the second one by a landslide. --Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 15:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Do you know what a "landslide" is? —Unsigned comment by Anonyhm (talk • contribs)
It means it one barely. 4 to 5. And who are you, sign your posts, please. ~Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 03:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Umm, a "landslide" is when it wins by a large margin. NaruHina Talk 14px 12:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

About the Jedi Trials...

I noticed that someone put the part about the Jedi Trials onto the page. For those who may not have heard, in TFU there is a downloadable level/campaign which Galen goes to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant to learn more about his father.

  • The information that the article has is mostly wrong.

It says that Vader send Galen there to complete the Jedi Trials, but at the very beginning of the level, PROXY makes it apparent that Galen is not supposed to be at the Temple. Right after that, Galen states that he wants to learn more about his father. When Galen finds what he is looking for, the hologram of his father tells Galen that he must complete the Jedi Trials. As far as we know, Vader doesn't even know about Galen's trip to the Jedi Temple.

  • Also, the section in the wrong place.

The article has the Jedi Temple segment right after the part that states that Galen defeated Rahm Kota, yet in the level, Kota is guiding Galen through the Jedi Temple. Galen is even wearing Jedi robes- the in-game description states that they used to belong to Kota. After the Kota duel, Kota is not seen for a few levels later. There is just about no way that Galen could have obtained those Jedi robes from Kota. Also, after Galen defeated Kota, Galen was still very loyal to Vader until Vader betrayed Galen, so it seems logical that Galen would never willingly wear Jedi robes.

Considering that the level was not included on the game's disk (it's considered a 'deleted scene'), should we even mention the Jedi Temple level as if it's canon? LucasArts decided that the level was not necessary in the game, which is why it became downloadable content.

EDIT: Why does the article have information from the Wii version of the game when the pictures are from the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of Force Unleashed? Just because we're a Star Wars website doesn't mean we need to be as inconsistent as the movies (sorry for the bad joke)... --Gravy666 18:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

    • Because people like mii (bad pun; sorry!) haven't figured out how to get screenshots from the Wii game; I'm terribly sorry!--Anonyhm 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Downloadable content falls into the realm of expansion pack so it's in the same category as Empire at War: Forces of Corruption and Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns. --Redemption25px(Talk) 18:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
      • The information in the article is from the Wii version of TFU anyway, not the downloadable stuff. -- I need a name (Complain here) 18:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
      • I second that: it's definitely in the Wii gameplay, more or less the way the article describes it. In truth I don't know if Vader tells him to participate in the Jedi trials specifically(I'd have to play through it again), but Vader does definitely send him there twice. The trials are also not in the novel. Unless there's better guidelines about constructing a composite story, I recommend we leave those sections virtually as is (anyone can edit, right?). --Anonyhm 22:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
        • IMO, the sections regarding the Jedi Temple should be marked as being of questionable canonicity, and also the X360/PS3 DLC Jedi Temple story should be included with the same disclaimer. Technically, both the Wii content and the DLC content are compatible as after defeating the ghost of his father, Galen could have met Kota and decided to return to the Temple and find out more. Anyone disagree?--Evilsbane 23:46, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Request

Would it be possible to get a screenshot from the XBOX 360/PS3 version of the video game where Marek is impaled by Vader? I think the graphic novel's depiction is really weak and just looks terrible, when the alternative is far superior, especially if available in HD. I say XBOX/PS3 since the Wii graphics were simply terrible. If instead the graphic novel image must remain for a balance between the video game/graphic novel images, then I will object, but since I can't take screenies myself I suppose it doesn't matter. But here's to hoping someone else can take a screenshot of this. Thanks. :) –Victortalk 20:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

How Are We Going About This?

Sorry to ask this, but how are we making sense of the story? What I mean is, there is so much extra content added on to this story that it's very hard to make sense of. There are many extra Wii levels that in many ways contradict what the other versions of the game (and the book) say, and it also includes things those two versions don't have. However, Krome Studios, and not Lucasarts, made that version, so can we even call it canon when they take Star Wars into their own hands when they weren't even the people who came up with the story in the first place?

And how about this new downloadable level for the 360 and PS3 versions? How do we fit that into the already questionable Jedi Temple levels?

And how do we tell whether the book's details are more correct in certain situations than any version of the games' is?

And most importantly of all, can anyone even get in touch with Lucasarts to ask what is canon and what is not?

I'm sorry to ask all of this, but right now the state of this article and the story in general is (IMO) messed up by the Wii version of the game and by this new downloadable level (and by the fact that we have no lead on whether one version of the game or the book is right over the other).

  • Considering what you say, I re-watched the webdocs on Lucasarts.com and it looks like Krome Studios was very much working with Lucasarts to create what they did. I didn't get the impression that anything in any versions created were extra or outside of anything Lucasarts had in mind. Consulting Lucasarts isn't uncalled for, but be sure to publish their response if you do. Furthermore, another aspect I have learned about Wookieepedia is the information presented is more of a composite of all sources, even those whose canon features are questionable or not "recognized" as canon as long as they are marked as such. That makes all versions of the game, novel and comic fair game for information. I haven't read anything stating that one version of the story or another wasn't really what happens or was more true to form than the other versions. You have to be careful of copyright also. If I am wrong, someone please address this better. The bottom line is you have to be careful that you don't get locked into one single version of a story simply because that's the one you personally are exposed to. For example, someone keeps saying Galen yells , "NOOO!" after Shaak Ti drops into the sarlacc, but I never saw it anywhere until I finally read the illustrated novelization. Unless I am wrong, what needs to be done is finding a seamless way to morph all of the information together. We're open to suggestion and discussion, or just make changes yourself. Did you have ideas in mind in particular?--Anonyhm 17:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


  • I haven't seen anything to really support one version over another either, but I have read the book and played the 360/PS3 and Wii versions of the game, and I felt that overall the book agrees far more with the 360/PS3 version. And as the rough hierarchy of 'story-line' generally goes books take precedence over games and graphic novels/comics, and personally I feel that the Wii version is a bit ridiculous in some of its approaches to the story, such as Galen’s return to the Jedi temple multiple times. My vote would be that until we can contact Lucasarts we go with the Book and 360/PS3 versions of the story line since they are, as I said before, the most consistent. Ryan Fett (For Mandalore!)20px 02:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The biggest problem with the Wii version changes is that the third level is, basically, exactly like the Kento cutscene in the second Kashyyyk level on Xbox360/PS3/the novel. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 13:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

When its comes to what is considered to be "more" canon, I would generally tend to go with the novelization over the game, and have any inconsistencies noted in a behind the scenes section. - Cavalier One20px(Squadron channel) 15:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
But what about the fact that the novel is based on the game, rather than the other way around? -MPK 19:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Not to mention, the article would need a significant overhaul, and such a "behind the scenes" section would be massive. The suggestion to contact Lucasarts may work, but I don't know how much affiliation they have/share with the wikia. If someone would do it, the confusion could be cleared. Until then, unless someone has a compelling desire to fix everything, I suggest we leave the composite that's in place, barring normal expected wikia editing.--Anonyhm 22:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
  • The best thing to do is to compare the game, comic and novel versions and find what they all agree on. Then we can just ignore anything that is not supported by the others. Does that sound fair?
    • Something like that may require a new talk thread, and sounds very complicated! If we really want to do that, we need to really think about what that will cut out, because each source has some very different pov's; we risk not having much of a story, except in some extra explanation sections. Then again, the simplicity may be ideal! I don't have all the resources to work on it--Anonyhm 08:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

When does the Starkiller vs Sith Stalker dual take place?

If starkiller's dual with the Sith Stalker is canon, then when does it take place? Is this his fourth trip to the Jedi Temple? --Bron Hañda 02:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

  • It has to take place after the second Kashyyyk level (if the novel, Xbox360, and PS3 versions are considered higher canon), or, in the Wii/PS2 case, after the third Jedi Temple level. Otherwise, Marek wouldn't know anything or care much about learning about his father, and learning about Kento was the point of the downloadable Jedi Temple visit. Bah, with him apparently going to that place four times, it must have been a nightmare position for stormtroopers. :P Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 03:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
    • The entire game, all his missions (aside from, of course, the first mission as Darth Vader), take place during 2 BBY, however, at what time of this year is unknown.--Master Tej 04:17, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

What Jedi Trials did Starkiller overcome?

Different parts of wookiepedia disagree on Galen's four Jedi Trials. All have agreed that the dual against Darth Desolous was his Trail of Skill. His Trail of Insight was Starkiller's dual with Darth Phobos. There is a discrepancy about his Trail of Spirt. Some say the Trail of Spirt is the dual with the Sith Stalker, while others say it is the dual against his father. Some disagree that the dual against Kento Marek is the Trail of Spirt and claim that it is the Trail of Flesh instead. There are claims that defeating Jedi General Rahm Kota, defeating Jedi outcast Kazdan Paratus, and defeating Council member Shaak Ti is his Trail of Courage. Will anyone establish what his Jedi Trails are? ––Bron Hañda 05:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

  • According to various videos on YouTube, the duel against Kento is the Trial of Spirit. I don't think the downloadable Jedi Temple level actually has a "Trial of ..." name, and the "Trial of Flesh" sounds like fanon. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 18:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Have you even glanced at the in game databank? It says the Kento duel is the Trial of Spirit, you can't argue with that. NaruHina Talk 14px 11:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  • "The "Trial of Flesh" sounds like fanon." It's not. I direct you to: [1] Darth Endis 11:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC) ta
  • No, the trial of the flesh is real. In the Clone wars (genndy tartokovsky) vlomue two, the jedi council is deciding to make Anakin a knight, and obiwan says that anakin suffered an enormous trial of the flesh at the hands of count dooku, presumably when dooku cut off his right arm. Trial of the flesh is canon--LastJedi1515 14:48, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Image Fix

Okay, last time: I have just realized that this infobox image was one or two levels from his death. Someone should find an image of his final level image. I know it was decided, but a change for the better is a good change. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 02:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I wonder why having an image of him closer to his death is necessarily better. Since the image in the infobox now comes just a little earlier, I don't expect there to be much difference. I think the decision should be based on which image of him looks "best". Go ahead and collect a later image of him, but then put the current image and the proposed one up for a vote, head to head. --Lance E Sloan 11:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
He's actually using the exact same costume there as in the last level. Most of the ones from the last level more suitable for the infobox had the hood up and the ones that don't aren't great. Drewton 20px (Drewton's Holocron) 14:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

lightsaber

It says that the apprentice had Kota's lightsaber. Is this canon? I mean, do we have any higher source that proves this because the novel is the only source I can find. The games and the comic have him with a blue lightsaber: should we mention this? User:1705jallen

I believe Vader gave him Kota's lightsaber after reviving him after "killing" him in front of Palpatine since Starkiller's first lightsaber was apparently lost in space after he was thrown outside the Executor's window. He then modified the lightsaber to make it blue instead of green. IIRC, he used a crystal he found in his father's old hut or something... Don't quote me on that though. 74.60.54.217 06:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, he found his father's old crystal(s) in the hut, it says so in the novel. When Starkiller received Kota's lightsaber, it was depicted in the Empirical scene, at least on PSP. BTW, does someone have a pic of the "unrecognizable" lightsaber to post on the article? josh,the usernameless wookieepedian.

  • I see what you mean but in the PSP version, kota's saber and Galen's 2nd saber look completely different. To further muddle the issue Kota has a new blue lightsaber on next gen versions

It looks like Luasarts were going to include this, with the strange blue crystal on Kashyyk and all that. One thing that bothers me though: if Vader suspected that the Rebels knew Kota, would he have given Marek something that would directly link him with the fight on the station? That may be why Lucasarts took that out at the last minute and gave him a blue crystal on Empirical. User talk:1705jallen

  • Keep in mind, Starkiller told Vader Kota was dead. We don't get Vader's mind on the matter, so we don't know if he merely believed the report, knew better but let it slide for future reference, or suspected anything that would suggest Kota would ever re-surface. Kota certainly did little to create any further disturbances in the Force after his encounter with Starkiller; no reason for him to show up on the "Force radar."--Anonyhm 01:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

At least, can someone replace the pic of galen on the empirical using a blue with lightsaber with a green lightsaber. I'd do it myself, but i don't have the camera.--LastJedi1515 22:37, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think this is gonna be like with Darth Bane and now Jaden Korr in that the written text says one thing about their lightsabers but all the images show something different. Unless Starkiller gave Kota's saber a blue crystal which is all that defies the novel. And I suppose that if Kota's saber was stripped of its leather and casing it would look just like the saber from the game. I suppose that would work. User:1705jallen

In the PC version (Ultimate Sith Edition) Galen always uses his original lightsaber, when he "awakes" in the Empirical he uses his first lightsaber with a blue blade, later when Galen search for Kota in Cloud city Kota uses his lightsaber with a blue crystal. Only the crystals seems to change only. User:Defrik

I think that he kept his lightsaber but Vader replaced it so that the "rebles" would see him as a jedi(by the way I don't see the novel as cannon).--Lord starkiller the strong 21:03, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

But the novel IS canon, while ist Ultimate Sith Edition is NOT. Gulomi Jomesh 21:07, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I never said anything about the USE.--Lord starkiller the strong 17:59, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

"defeating palpatine?

Should it really say starkiller defeated palpation when in truth palpatine nvr really fought back against him because he wanted an apprentice? Even starkiller somewhat acknoledged he didnt really beat sidious when he said "hes stronger than you know" (meaning sidious). Only when starkiller refused to turn did sidious decide to finish him off and use his real power, allowing him to electricute kota and force starkiller to do little more than block his attack.

  • Starkiller did defeat palpatine, but he choose not to kill him. Palpatine was at starkiller's mercy and starkiller was going to kill him so he couldn't conntinue his evil deeds (hint the "hes stronger than you know"). After defeating palpatine, starkiller had to reengage in his battle with palpatine. --Bron Hañda 00:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
    • If it is to be said that Galen beat Darth Sidious at all, then he only "beat" him in the same way that Mace Windu did - a sudden attack with brute physical force that briefly caught him off-guard, not a display of superior skill, power, or technique in any respect. Mace kicked Sidney in the face, and Galen force-pushed him a couple of times (in the novel he throws a bunch of debris at him, but the effect is the same), briefly stunning him in both cases. Both of those are hardly a display of incredible fighting prowess or raw Force power; In both cases, Sidious played his well-known "Oh-I'm-too-weak-I'm-doomed-whatever-shall-I-do" act before wiping the floor with his would-be assailant. Galen is not demonstrated or implied to be at all on par with Sidney's power. If Galen was, then he wouldn't have been killed by Sidious. -MPK 02:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I think Galen actually beat Sidious to some degree, Mace as well. They each had several duels against Sidious, and won, not by a single attack....the question is, if Sidious was actually serious. I don't think so..--32.179.225.126 20:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Darth Rhett

  • In the game, Galen clearly beats Palpatine. Palpatine was probably ready to move out of Starkillers attack should he have chose to kill him, he just wanted Galen to embrace the darkside. But when he didn't Galen was able to hold back against Sidious' force lightning (though the book and game differ slightly), in the game he clearly pushes back against Sidious' power and see's Vader coming with more stormtroopers to get the Rebels, so he lets himself 'die' to give the Rebels time, so i'm pretty sure he is far superior to Palpatine. Tyranitar 15:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
    • Throughout the series Sidious and Vader recognize that Galen's power is or would have been much more than their own. Many times Sidious says that Galen could be the most powerful jedi/sith in the galaxy. —Unsigned comment by 96.245.44.233 (talk • contribs)
      • That's great, but this is not the place for this discussion. --Imperialles 21:15, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

The point I was previously stating was that Galen has immense power. So towards the fact if he had or had not defeated Palpatine I think he had. Even if Palpatine wasn't going all out he obviously was with the lightning attack after Galen decided not to strike him down. Galen with much effort held the lightning and even advanced toward Palpatine. If Vader and his men hadn't interfered the battle could have ended much differently. —Unsigned comment by 96.245.44.233 (talk • contribs)

  • Yeah, still not the place to discuss this. --Imperialles 21:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sith?

Was he really truly a Sith apprentice? --Bold Clone 17:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Darth Vader was THE contemporary Sith apprentice, owing to the Rule of Two. Vader granted him apprenticeship, but the logistics of Bane's Rule of Two point to him never truly reaching Sith status. Thus to become a Sith (master or apprentice), Galen would have had to kill either Vader or Sidious. He was more of an assassin; though trained heavily in the Dark side of the Force, I don't recall evidence of him learning any Sith specific discipline, aside from being the exploit of Sith agenda.--Anonyhm 18:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree! he was a dark acolyte if you really want to give him a label. And then he also really became more of a jedi near the end, in the canon version anyway. I would say he is most probably a Gray jedi. this is because he is able to use his anger and hatred, however he does not have any discernible alliegiance to either of the two sects of the force.--DarthMonochrome 06:29, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

This needs addressing as several articles on this site list him as a Sith and some do not. It's my opinion he is not a true Sith but it definitely needs a decision ShiftyPoolton 02:47, 26 Nov 2009 (GMT)

  • I agree. From what I know, Galen wasn't a Sith, but more like a Dark Jedi. He was trained in the Dark Side, but being a Sith would have broken the Rule of Two. --DKong 04:10, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
  • The Sith have their own set of beliefs, doctrines and practices. Based on the story of The Force Unleashed, it seems to me that Galen was not bought up to be actually a Sith but more of a Dark Side assassin or a Dark Jedi. He WAS taught some Sith doctrine, but I doubt if he was ever really taught about the finer tenets of the Sith Order seeing as Vader was not really serious about making him an apprentice but rather only as an assassin to meet his own ends in the same way that the Emperor's Hands operated. This is also the reason why I find it hard to believe that Lumiya was a Sith but that's just me. Questorminator 06:20, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Which lightsaber is real?

Unless I'm losing my mind, in the PS3/360 version of the game, the lightsaber that Vader gives Starkiller on the Empirical is a blue-bladed weapon, presumably his father's. In the novelization, it is described as being green, the one that he took from Kota earlier. Which version is correct? -MPK 23:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

but what about the graphic novel? that agrees with the game and that's a canon source. User:1705jallen

  • Should the novel be the canon source in this matter? Because, in the game, he clearly don't uses Kota's lightsaber. I mean, in the ROTJ novel, Luke reflects Papatine's lightning at first, but then he can't hold it, but in the film he doesn't reflect it, and that's the canon source, shouldn't the game be the major canon source? Grand Master Luke 11:34, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
    • I am inclined to agree. Please correct me if I misunderstand, but the novelizations for the movies (since you brought it up) and, in this particular case, TFU are based on the movies and the game vice the other way around, right? I know that is true for TFU. Wouldn't the game be the "higher canon" source, then, since the book is based on the game? I understand the general idea of deferring to the novel as it is less dynamic than the game, making its information more solid -- that makes sense -- but looking at the canon rules and how these stories are related (game vs. novelization), what I'm think can only be derived; it isn't very well spelled out for this case! However, if the novel is the "higher canon", then per the guidelines, the novel takes precedence where the game overlaps; the lightsaber should be Kota's green blade. In the Wii version, this is not an issue because the player is allowed to customize the blade, including it's color, and the blade given by Vader doesn't even come up, making this issue more of player-determined conjecture, for which case I would certainly defer to the novel. You say the blue blade is "presumably" his father's, unless you have more reasoning, why not defer to a source less dynamic? Just trying to bring out both pov's--Anonyhm 02:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
    • While the lightsaber can be customized, the cutscenes can't! And in the cutscens he see Galen using the blue blade as soon as he is in the Empirical, and you can also see that the hilt isn't the one from Kota, and that Kota actually has his lightsaber, this one seen when he tries to attack Vader. So correct me if I'm wrong. Grand Master Luke 10:08, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
      • I may have the shorter end of the stick owning a Wii and not a PS3/360, but all of the cut scenes on my Wii console use whatever lightsaber I customize, and I don't recall Vader giving him the new lightsaber like he did in the novel (I'm trying to play thru it again on a new slate to double check; almost there). I'll let you know when I get there.--Anonyhm 03:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
      • The Wii cut scene does not include a lightsaber at all (unless it's subtly handed off or something and I missed it; I'll have to watch it again to make sure)! Still bothers me that the only conflict depicted is the Science vessel directed into the sun (oh, well...); the novel told so much more! Until I try to see that Wii cut scene again, I'm in favor of sticking with the novel on this one.--Anonyhm 01:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Clone Wars animated costume (and the others)

Is there any pictures of these costumes out there? (I'm talking about the ones that we have to describe because we don't show any pictures.) I'm not saying we need to include every one, but are there any? I'd be interestedin seeing them.

TheKid 00:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Palpatine being "Relatively Unharmed"

I believe there is really no basis as to if Palpatine was really harmed or not. The final blast seemed to have no effect on Vader as well, although we know it did. I think that part should be changed, as we have no proof on any sort of damage sustained.--166.214.139.70 06:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)guest

Robes Question

So I've noticed that someone has gone to the trouble of identifying the sabers worn on Marek's Sith Stalker armor. That being noted, has anyone been able to ID the sabers he wears on the Ceremonial robes that Kota posthumously gives him in the Light Side ending? There seems to be one standard and one saberstaff hilt on his right side in the PS3/XBox version that has so far gone unmentioned. Heck, no mention of these robes whatsoever that I've seen.--208.104.104.188 05:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The sabers on his Sith armor are: half of darth mauls,vader's,Kota's, part of Kazdan Paratus's,his old saber, and his new Sith blade. I'm pretty sure the sabers on the Ceremonial Jedi robes are Kazdan Paratus' and either his own or Kota's. Sev, 9:28, 3-08-10

Power

Alright guys this is something that has plagued me ever since I heard the quote Haden Blackman gave on Spike. And that is that Marek had the potential to be the most powerful person to ever exist, now if thats true that would make his potential surpass Anakin's/Vader's before he was put in ths suit. but George Lucas said that the chosen was was the one that had the potential to be the most powerful ever. so I'm confused. jedi_master425 Sept. 12, 2009

  • I think Haden was generalizing, like presenting an idea for a premise for the character to help him describe the magnitude of intensity within the character within the game, not directly/officially meaning to elevate him above "The Chosen One" status. I'm sure George's precedent still stands in the face of Blackman's conjecture. Furthermore, it's possible several SW characters had/have such "potential," and the EU has several who have been legendarily powerful. Potential is just that: potential. That's my take; take it for what its worth!--Anonyhm 18:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks I just wanted to see if someone else thought what I did. I put him the upper top ten after the Skywalkers. jedi_master425 Sept. 13, 2009
  • People do seem to think that Marek is more powerful and with reason: he has no qualms about showing or using his power. Anakin became encased in a black armored suit before he could become the most powerful Jedi he dreamed of and the OT never really showed Luke in his fullest potential because there is a civil war that was going on and the Emperor needed to get killed and all that. But based on the EU stuff showing Luke's powers in the NJO up to Fate of the Jedi era, Luke would be more powerful than Marek. Besides, I doubt if George Lucas would allow an EU Force user to be more powerful than his Skywalkers. Questorminator 05:43, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Simplification

It seems to me that several portions of this article are essentially explicit play-by-play regurgitation of large portions of whatever source (game, novel, etc.). While I value the story, does the information need to be so explicit, for example, the entire initial meeting between Galen and Juno is practically spelled out/restated whereas the same story/information could be included without quite so much detail, which the links most certainly cover (that's why the links, right?). Other areas of this article seem similar, and I feel if they were simplified, it would make for a better and more relevant read. Am I missing the point of wikia here, or does anyone else feel similarly? I started to make some changes accordingly, but I don't want to lose anything, or oversimplify either. Whaddya guys think?--Anonyhm 03:35, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Star Destroyer Takedown

As the article currently stands, it states that Galen could yank down a Star Destroyer. Pardon me, but doesn't the novel trump the game, meaning that he could only really just barely stop it from crushing him after it had already fallen and had been skidding on the ground, rather than yanking it out of the sky?

Because in the novel, it was ALREADY falling- he just kept it from crushing him, and he nearly passed out from the effort. Dewback rancher 23:48, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

  • In the novel, he does not "barely keep it from crushing him." No, he forces it to pick up speed, forces it to slow down a bit so it doesn't rain to much shrapnel, and then changes its course several times to make sure it lands where he wants it too. He is very drained from the experience, but he certainly did yank it out of the sky and control where it went, and it didn't even come close to hitting him, leaving him no possible reason to move it away from himself.--Master Tej 04:45, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Emperical Level

What's that thing on Galen's arm in the Emperical Level? Is it a cybernetic implant? jedi_master425

I got the impression it was something the droids would use when injecting him with whatever stuff they needed to, though I don't think there is a source for it. Tyranitar 15:57, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but if you watch in the cutscene before the level, the piece seems to keep his arm in place. I think it may have been to keep him contained. --DKong 00:02, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like a real-world "halo" that may be used to keep pins in the arm in place. It can be assuemd that his forearm was shattered, and that thing was holding various metal rods that held the bones in place while they healed. Also, it was somewhat similar to a collar that was on Luke's wrist while the droid finished his replacement hand. Could be either 214.3.138.234 13:34, August 23, 2010 (UTC)Steve

The Unknown Lightsaber on the Sith Stalker's belt is...

The top part of Kazdan Paratus' lightsaber staff.—Unsigned comment by LordStarkiller1993 (talk • contribs)

1st Apperance

Isn't Soulcalibur IV his first appearance, or do you only count the one that is most canon. —Unsigned comment by 68.202.18.62 (talk • contribs)

  • Wouldn't the first appearance generally refer to the first time the character came into exhistance? Because in that case TFU would have to be the first, even if its release date was later it was the first created thing with Galen in it. Ryan Fett (For Mandalore!)20px 05:10, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
    • No. The first appearance is the first comic-book, video-game, novel, etc to be published featuring Marek. However, the appearance list should be ordered chronologically from an in-universe point of view. Luke Skywalker first appeared in Star Wars: A New Hope (1977), although in-universe he "came into existence" (was born) in Revenge of the Sith (2005). So, the appearance list would be: "(...), Revenge of the Sith, (...), A New Hope (first appearance), (...)" --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:43, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Soul Calibur 4

Should we add a section of his Soulcalibur 4 appearance? I know this is non-canon, but it is still a major appearance of Galen. Currently the only mention is under the Appearances list, with no further information. Some input here please. DKong 18:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

what is that creature in the trailer of TFU 2?

  • We don't know yet, but now it is called an unidentified rancor tossing creature--Thoggnee 03:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

File:Galenmarek infobox.jpg File:Marek-TFU2.jpg File:Marek2-TFU2.jpg

There is nothing wrong with the new image. It is a HD screenshot of at least equal quality to the current image. It is more in line with the MOS in that it is the most recent IU image of the character. "It just doesn't look good in the infobox" doesn't cut it for reasoning, without valid justification, for removing the more current image from the infobox. - JMAS 20px Hey, it's me! 17:12, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

  • It is not the quality of the image itself, but rather the quality of the shot - it is dark, his face is barely lit, the facial features are obscured. Also, where exactly in WP:MOS or WP:LG does it require for the infobox picture to be the most recent image? That way we would have to snap shots of people immediately before their deaths for every movie, cartoon and game character. MauserComlink 17:18, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
    • Hold on, searching the CT archives. But there was a community decision some time ago, that, using common sense of course, the lasted IU image of a character (that is of good quality of course) is preferred for the infobox. Now in the the case of characters who have live action roles as well as EU appearances, the latest live-action is used, as is the case with Boba Fett, Han Solo, Luke, Leia, etc. And searching, I can't find official policy. But it's one of the understood ways of doing things here. And example of the "policy" enacted. - JMAS 20px Hey, it's me! 17:38, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • I like the first. As Mauser said, it's got better lighting and definition. The second is certainly more dramatic, but a character info box is one of the few places I that I feel can be worsened by a dramatic image. SinisterSamurai 17:37, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • I happen to agree with Mauser. The face it barely lit and nowhere in our image policy does it say it must be the most recent. Our infobox images are judged on a case by case basis. Using the argument of most recent is a rather poor one to be using. It maybe the preferred way but no where does it say it is required in any situation. I'm sure we'll get a new one when the game actually does come out but right now we don't have a good enough shot. It's not like theres any difference in appearance between the two. --Redemption25px(Talk) 17:41, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. - JMAS 20px Hey, it's me! 17:45, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • Another issue to think about is Canon. The first image is taken from in-game, and as such is canon. The second and third are taken from a trailer, and will likely be somewhat inconsistent with canon once TFU II is released. I don't see any reason to replace a canon image with an ambig-canon image unless there is considerable aesthetic improvement. SinisterSamurai 18:17, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Survival

How in the world did he go from being to dead to surviving?

It is unknown for now, perhaps vader revived him to really use him as his apprentice? Darth Void 18:17, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

There is no confirmation that he is actually alive, we don't know if the force unleashed 2 trailer takes place in reality or not, it could be a dream or vision or just Galen stuck in limbo. Until we know for sure that Galen Marek is definitely alive, we shouldn't say he is. Tyranitar 16:03, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Galen did not die. On Lucas Arts main page for The Force Unleashed 2, Kota tells Galen that it is impossible to clone a Jedi. Kota tells Galen that he is not a clone.

    • That is Kota's opinion. It is what he believes, and Galen is clearly- and regrettably- a clone, as indicated by all recent information (trailer and interviews with Blackman at E3). Also would be helpful if you posted at the bottom of the section rather than in the middle of an older conversation, and please sign your comments :). Darth Tyranitar 10:02, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • We know the events of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II take place after the first game(not a prequel), because he hears his last conversation with Juno Eclipse. Since we never saw his corpse, it is entirely possible he is alive. If Darth Vader and Darth Sidious could survive the explosive blast, then why couldn't Starkiller? I agree we shouldn't say he is "definitely alive", but I also think we shouldn't say he is "definitely dead". --Bron Hañda 03:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Vader and Palpatine survived the blast, yes. And true, he would probably be able to as well, if he hadn't been the cause of the blast. He released himself to the Force and willingly let out all of his soul. That is what has been canonicially established. The best solution to the confusion I can come up with is that it is a clone in the second game. Speculation, perhaps, but that makes sense if he truly allowed himself to become one with the Force. In any case, we will not know until the sequel is released. User:Mateo22
  • He won't be a clone. You can pretty much garantee that. Besides, NO SPECULATION, this is a talk page :D Tyranitar 17:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  • How can that be guaranteed? It is pretty clear the actual Galen Marek became one with the Force. How else would he be depicted further? It is just a possible suggestion, albeit the most plausible one I have seen yet. If not, then perhaps this really doesn't take place in reality. User:Mateo22
  • The clone idea seems very unlikely, for all we know someone could have pulled him back into life before his spirit moved on or he's stuck in limbo, but the clone idea isn't very original. Guess we'll know when they release more info Tyranitar 14:03, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • The clone idea may not be as unlikely as you think. I personally have only played the Wii version of the game and read the novel, but in the novel it says that Galen had scars on the back of his hands from the rough training Vader put him through. However, after Vader's betrayal Galen wakes up six months later on the Empirical without the scars. It would have been unheard of for Vader to have a cloning technology on the Empirical. Galen my even have been a test subject to see if this technique could make Vader whole again. I do agree that until we get more information we won't know for sure but that doesn't mean that the article shouldn't have a section about his possible survival with what we do know. --JMasterWor 15:45, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • This talk page is not for a discussion about Galen Marek's survival. It is a place for discussing improvements to the article, as the {{talkheader}} clearly states. Thank you. Xd1358 Talk 16:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
      • I think the article needs to avoid definites, since there is some uncertainty about his death. --Bron Hañda 22:58, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • At least according to the new edits, he was cloned and that's how they justify cashing in with TFU 2. In that case, shouldn't the clone get his own entry, just like Luuke or Joruus?
    • Joruus and Luuke were different characters entirely. Think of Marek's clone like Palpatine's clones, because that's essentially how it appears to be. Ggctuk 18:05, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • Well, obviously we don't have all the pieces yet so this is speculative, but unless there was a straight-up Palpatine-style Essence Transfer (how?) I don't think we're talking exactly the same guy, anymore than the Fel clones in VotF are the same guy as the Baron even though they got flash learning from his memory. Another way to think about it is if this was a clone personality who could have existed while OriginalMarek was alive, he's a different guy. And it does sound like Vader, in trying to get a more obedient version, was creating a new personality. If there was somehow an essence transfer sometime after "Gaalen" was up and about, it seems to me the best way to treat it is have the clone article address everything in the clone's life before the transfer, then put everything post-transfer in this one. (Of course, there are other possibilities like brainwashing, that could be the case. No need to actually make any of these changes until we see the game.)--216.45.228.131 20:05, May 1, 2010 (UTC)l
      • Being a jedi wouldn't it be near impossible for a clone to be sane if made from Galen? And how would it have his memories? If it is a clone then wouldn't Vader be a little picky about what memories he received and did not receive? And even if he couldn't choose it would require some extreme events to return the memories supressed like being told he is a clone and that the original died on the death star. (Atleast Kotor makes it seem that way) All in all I think cloning isn't an impossibility but it is more likely that he survived with the force just like Sidious and Vader used it to protect themselves from the blast. —Unsigned comment by 96.245.44.233 (talk • contribs)
        • We must keep in mind here that we have no idea if he is a clone or not. Starkiller himself in TFUII debates this, Kota thinks he isn't, Darth Vader says he is, and he DOES see clones of himself. However, it is not revealed anywhere if he is clone or not, so we probably shouldn't speculate about it, and accept that we don't know at the moment.--Master Tej 04:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

"Vader"

Some other small point to consider: the website image has changed to have Vader standing behind Starkiller, binding him in shackles. At least we can confirm that Vader will be involved in a greater manner than speculated. User talk:1705jallen

Question

Was it always Vader's intention to simply use him as a means to root out the Empire's enemies, or was he really trying to keep his existence a secret from Palpatine at first?

  • I think it was a joint effort all the way through, I don't know if there is a source for this but I think Palpatine finding out mid-way through the whole tale was part of the deception. 22:33, Tyranitar December 22, 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with DarthTyranitar, but with a slight variation. I think that when Vader found Galen and took him [Galen] with him [Vader] on that shuttle. Vader probably told Palpatine about it and they came up with the plan of getting all the major threats to the Empire all together and take them out,along with others killed by Galen himslef (Shaak Ti & Kazden Paratus). 11:05, Drakous Kiffar July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Date Of Birth

I did some math on my own and came down to 12 BBY to be Galen's B-Day. This would make sense because he would have been 2 when Vader found him in 18 BBY. What do you all think? T-888 03:55, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

  • I thought he might have been a little bit older, personally, and your math is off: if Vader found him in 18 BBY and he was 2, his b-day would have been in 20 BBY, unless I just don't understand timing GFFA-wise --Anonyhm 18:29, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • This talk page is not for speculating when Marek was born. Read the {{talkheader}}, please. Xd1358 Talk 18:33, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
      • It shouldn't be for speculation, but it SHOULD be discussed, since it can't be correct as it appears in the article. Right now, at 19BBY as it's listed, that makes him the same age as Leia, who he appears to be quite a bit older than in the game. Someone's math is off... 214.3.138.234 13:38, August 23, 2010 (UTC)Steve

I was just tring to suggest a b-day and yeah my math was off it should habe been 20 BBY T-888 16:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

        • Let me confirm this, the invasion of Kashyyyk took place in 18 BBY? Even if it did, I do agree that, T-888, your math is off. If his birthday was in 12 BBY, and the story takes place in 2 BBY, which it does, then he would only have been 10 years old in TFU, and wouldn't have been born when Vader came and found him on Kashyyyk. I think that is a bit young. However, I do agree with the estimate that he was 2 when Vader found him. Assuming the invasion of Kashyyyk by Vader was in 18 BBY I would place his birthday anywhere between 20 BBY at the latest and 27 BBY at the earliest, although the latter is probably pretty early. However, until an official canon source announces this, we cannot confirm anything.--Master Tej 05:00, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
          • Whoa, you finished posting WHILE I was, T-888. Sorry that my response doesn't take that into account.--Master Tej 05:02, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Resurrection

While he was being resurrected did Vader put any cybernetics in him? And if so what are they and should they be listed? jedi_master425

No, he simply healed him, cleaned up his woulds, and erased his scars. GalenMarek1Leave a comment. 14:56, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

  • Do we really know that? The novel doesn't confirm it.--Master Tej 05:03, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Vision

In the vision he had in the hut on Kashyykk was luke the young jedi he was fighting?

No it was a Jedi version of himself--SUP3RCHUBBY 18:34, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

  • No, it was his father's spirit that was in the Kasshyk hut and in the bounus level where Galen was in the Jedi temple was where he fought different versions of himself. Drakous Kiffar 11:15 July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Actually the Novel (wich is official canon) says that in the vision he faught a jedi version of himself. It is also a jedi version of himself in the Nintendo DS version of the game.--SUP3RCHUBBY 18:01, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

  • SUP3RCHUBBY is right here.--Master Tej 05:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

really?

When I added info about him surviving the battle on the death star, it was removed but then it can magically get added on later? come on.... --Anju Vena 20px (Nihilus Speak) 21:59, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

  • Sorry to hear that, but I would recommend complaining to the person who removed it or to an admin, not writing it on a board.--Master Tej 05:05, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Galen is dead

This article, as well as many others I have noticed, say that Galen survived, when actual cannon sources explicitly state that he is dead. This has most certainly been brought on by the trailer for the sequel to the game that is coming out. Regardless as to weather or not the game is going to be considered cannon I am certain that the trailer itself is not. I am going to remove the part that says he is still alive and I would like for it to stay that way until a cannon source clearly states otherwise.--Gbadude3 02:08, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • LucasArt's TFU2 press release would seem to indicate that the character did not die at the end of the first game. We'll probably get some clarification at E3. SinisterSamurai 04:38, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • The fact that a new game is in development does not guaruntee that it will be cannon and at this time there is still so little known about the game that almost any stament would count as speculation. Regardless as the infromation I mentioned is unsourced I don't see any reason to keep it.--Gbadude3 07:39, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
      • Please wait until the game is released. It will (hopefully) clarify if Galen is dead or nor. And it's canon, not cannon. -- 1358 (Talk) 07:52, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
        • And I doubt that Lucas would create a game that is not canon. -- 1358 (Talk) 07:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • Please, read a little deeper. "With Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II, the epic story continues as players once again assume the role of the devastatingly powerful Starkiller - Darth Vader's secret apprentice set during the largely unexplored era between Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope." Key phrases include, "The epic story continues," and, "...as players once again assume the role of...Starkiller..." This information comes from an official source, and as such is assumed to be canon until proven otherwise.SinisterSamurai 21:39, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
      • I hadn't noticed that, I'm at least glad to find I wasn't being ignored.--Gbadude3 06:37, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
      • Shall we change or what? I kinda think that brings hands down on everyone else. So I in favor.-CloneSaberRoom 20:58, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Where has it been confirmed he has been cloned? The link, as yet does not work, so nothing appears definite yet.Dreyginn Zye Let the Force guide you 21:15, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I gave a reference. it was a French magazine called Console+ who interviewed LucasArts. Ggctuk 12:51, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Since Galen has been confirmed to be a clone, do we need to create a separate article? Like Luuke Skywalker. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 21:18, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

If the characters turn out to be completely different, then possibly. But I have a strong feeling that what has been revealed shows us that he's only clone in body, kind of like Palpatine's clones. I say leave it as it is for the time being until we either have more info or the game itself. Ggctuk 12:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • Based on the Gamepro June 2010 previews that we have, TFUII Starkiller is told that he is a clone by Vader. Later, he is told by Kota that he can't be a clone. Obviously a portion of the plot is going to center around that question: Is he or isn't he? At this point, it still remains an unanswered question. Unfortunately for all the editors that want to jump on this new information, it's almost certainly going to remain unanswered until a complete TFUII product(novel, comic, game) is released or leaked. SinisterSamurai 19:10, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Sighs*Cloning was good and all for the Emperor to use to return, but then we also had a clone C'Boath and an Darkside Luke clone, Possibly a Darth Maul clone, a Clone Army, a clone of the Zillo Beast and a clone of Jango Fett. I am sure that I am missing a ton of clones but my point is cloning is used way too much. I wish they would have just left things alone after The Force Unleashed I.65.160.192.101 19:10, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think Galen Marek is still Alive beacause in the preview of the TFUIII Galen fought Darth Vader again and this time Darth Vader won because in the game u play as Darth Vader like in the first game and after he beats him he tells him he is NOT A CLONE!!!!!!! Then says that how that happened.

  • First of all, that is in a preview and not in the novelization. Secondly, it is neither confirmed nor disproved that Starkiller is a clone of the original in TFUII. Third of all, please sign your comments, user who posted above me.--Master Tej 05:10, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Clone Galen Marek

I think there should be a Clone Galen Marek page --SUP3RCHUBBY 18:53, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

  • However there is no proof that he actually is a clone, or that if he is, that its a separate character. In the future, please keep your personal opinions off the discussion pages, thanks.--Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 19:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it has been confirmed by LucasArts that the Forced Unleased 2 protagonist is a clone of Galen who escaped Vader. I dont know how to source so here is the site: http://au.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/starwarstheforceunleashed2/news.html?sid=6263233&mode=previews Ironreaper 04:27, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Since it has been confirmed shouldn't wookieepedia have a clone galen marek article--SUP3RCHUBBY 22:05, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone goung to make this article--SUP3RCHUBBY 22:20, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

If you watch The Force Unleashed 2 Betrayal trailer, at the end there are many clones so it proves that it is not Galen in a different body.--SUP3RCHUBBY 16:51, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

  • No it doesn't. It proves that the main character is Galen Marek (who seems to have been confirmed as a clone who absorbed his original self's memories) and a room filled of clones. That is all.--Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 17:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • End this speculation. Regardless of whether he's a clone or not, we'll find out when the game comes out. Anyone who continues posting their personal opinion and insists that he is (or isn't) a clone will be blocked. As Kermit said, we don't know much of anything yet. Chack Jadson(Talk) 17:42, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

hey in the clone section on this page it said that if we needed anything changed that we should comment and not erase it. so im just thinking that we might update it because it seems inaccurate compared to what has been recently released. With the cinematic trailer and everything. im not able to edit the page so im just putting this out there.--DarthMonochrome 06:22, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

On the force unleashed 2 facebook page it says that the main character is starkiller so i was wrong--SUP3RCHUBBY 19:00, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

  • I imagine, that when the game is released, if he is a Clone, then he will have his own page, if not, then he'll remain on this one. See Subject 1157 as an example. Roger Murtaugh 16:56, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Why does this page have information on the clone's adventures when there is already a page on the clone? Does it really need to be on both?--JacobMarek

  • I get what you're saying and it has been fixed a couple of times, but some people keep putting it back to the way it was. I guess on some level, it makes a little sense to include information on his clones, but if that's the case then there should be some small information on his other clones as well (i.e. Dark Apprentice, Subject 1157, Maulkiller, the aberrant clones, etc). Personally, I think that since we've distinguished them as separate individuals (original and clone, not one and the same), information on Galen Marek under the cloned section should be about how Vader brought his body to Kamino, cloned it multiple times, and finally revealed it to the only perfect clone of Starkiller (which is how the Dark Apprentice was described in his Databank profile) in order to prove that the clone was a genetic copy and that the real Starkiller was dead. JRT2010 11:46, November 2, 2010 (UTC)JRT2010
    • In TFUII it is neither proved nor disproved Starkiller was cloned, and no canon source has given us an answer as of yet. We may never receive an answer, and will have to live with not knowing.--Master Tej 05:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

When was the jedi temple level?

The article said it was just after the duel with Kota at the TIE Fighter Construction Facility. but that doesn't make sense because in the start of the level Kota talks to you once so it would have to be after cloud city.I think it was just after the 2nd Felucia level. What do you think? (PS I use the PS3 cause there are a few changes between the game on different systems)

I think it was after kashyyyk because that's when he meets his father, and in the Jedi Temple Mission he says, "This is the only place I can find out more about my father." GalenMarek1Leave a comment. 14:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

  • If you are talking about the third Jedi Temple Level (I hope that's the one, excuse me, I've only ever played it on the Wii), it takes place just after the rescuing Kota level, however the novelization never has Starkiller going to the Coruscant Temple. It appears the video games have messed everything up :) --Master Tej 05:17, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Proxy in TFUII

On the site's official website it says that the clone Galen will get many more PROXY droids.--SUP3RCHUBBY 18:36, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe not the PROXY Darth Tyranitar 20:26, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

On the official site I saw concept art of PROXY badly damaged. GalenMarek1Leave a comment. 14:54, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Force Unleashed 2 facebook page

The force unleashed 2 facebook page says that the main character is galen marek not a clone so I was wrong--SUP3RCHUBBY 16:03, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Force Unleashed II Apprentice: Galen or Starkiller?

Just a thought - So far, he's still called "Galen Marek" (or "clone Galen") on wookieepedia in the Force Unleashed II sections. But in every interview thus far, Hayden Blackman and Sam Witwer call the apprentice "Starkiller." Even the Publisher's Summary refers to the apprentice as Starkiller, and not Galen Marek. Would it not be more correct to refer to the apprentice in Force Unleashed II as "Starkiller" since that is what he is being called by the publisher's summary, the game's project lead, and the actor as well. Plus, I've yet to see a single actual source that refers to the apprentice as "Galen Marek" instead of Starkiller in Force Unleashed II. Rome1987 15:19, July 10, 2010 (UTC)Rome1987

It really doesn't matter because they are both the same person. They probably call Galen Starkiller because he was mostly called that in the first game.--SUP3RCHUBBY 15:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but Palpatine and Darth Sidious were the same person, but his article is called "Palpatine" because that's what he was mostly known as. It's the same thing with Tyranus/Dooku, Vader/Anakin, Caedus/Jacen, etc. If the apprentice is mostly known as Starkiller in the first game and its sequel, then doesn't that name take precedence over Galen Marek? Stormtrooper TK-421 02:04, July 13, 2010 (UTC)Stormtrooper TK-421

No because at the end of TFU he s known as Galen because that is his real name and he is a Jedi at the end--SUP3RCHUBBY 12:46, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

The original Starkiller was eventually known as Galen Marek shortly before he died, but not the clone. Actually having thought about that, it doesn't appear that the clone is known as either Galen Marek or Starkiller, but as Subject 1157 (or just 1157) based on the visions/cutscenes and the audio logs in the TFU II website. Vader talks to the clone about Starkiller as though he and the clone were two separate individuals, and so does the clone as well. It would be more accurate to call the clone "1157" as opposed to "Starkiller" or "clone Galen." Rome1987 15:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)Rome1987

On the TFU2 facebook page it says "I can no longer control this power within me. I know I am Starkiller. I know these visions are mine...but something is going very, very wrong" so Subject 1157 is Galen Marek/ Starkiller--SUP3RCHUBBY 15:54, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well than that just proves my original point - that the apprentice still calls himself Starkiller instead Galen Marek by the time TFU II takes place. Regardless of what name he used just before he died, he's still called Starkiller in TFU II, even by himself as you pointed out. Hence, he should be referred to as Starkiller instead of Galen or clone Galen. Rome1987 16:38, July 13, 2010 (UTC)Rome1987

Why don't you change it then????SUP3RCHUBBY 17:16, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well as long as no one objects... Rome1987 17:39, July 13, 2010 (UTC)Rome1987

  • Galen Marek is his real name. Starkiller is just a codename, a nickname. Real names are preferred over nicknames. Grand Moff Tranner 20px (Comlink) 17:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • Galen Marek is the Starkiller, yeah. But what if his clone would haven't be de facto his clone, but only have changed mind, just like Revan had? What I am getting at? In my opinion, it would be safe to make simply a section about his clone in normal article about Galen Marek and wait for more and further informations. We don't have any informations about Marek's clone - there are three posibilities in my opinion (that is: his clone is Galen Marek; his clone would simply have injected an artificial mind, just like Revan had, but he wouldn't be the same person if we into his "spirit", or Galen Marek's clone is just a clone, another person and that clone is aware of that. I know that they are just my speculations and discussion page isn't the place to talk about it, but I'm getting on something. I'm getting on how we should make article/section about his clone. So while we don't know anything for sure, we shouldn't make any sudden moves. Loc - Speak!, 16:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • I would imagine either is acceptable. However, due to the fact that it is unknown in TFUII if he is clone or original, I would refer to him as Starkiller, for this name would fit either possibility. In TFU, I think he should be refered to as Starkiller throughout, as Galen Marek is a name not even fully discovered by him, but rather by the rebel leaders (he discovers his first name as Galen but never discovers his last), and Starkiller is the name he has known all his life. Galen Marek is part of him, but Starkiller truly is his identity.--Master Tej 05:24, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Quote Vote

I have noticed that the quote for this is changed quite often. So, I thought maybe this could be decided with a vote.

Quote 1: "You were destined to destroy me. Do it. Give in to your hatred!"

Quote 2: "He was meant to root out the Rebels. Not to give them hope."

Quote 3: "Rise, my apprentice." EVANTHETOON 17:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Quote 1

Quote 2

  1. Quote 1 and 3 don't describe alot about the character, while quote 2 does. EVANTHETOON 17:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Agreed (Master CJ 13:16, July 27, 2010 (UTC))

Quote 3

Rebirth

Pertaining to him being cloned, I think this may have happened an undetermined number of times before TFU, probably for failing his master. It may have even happened after he killed Shaak Ti.

I know this hasn't been confirmed yet, but the evidence may be in TFUII. 74.78.79.232 20:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yes, but it is unconfirmed. The rule of Wookieepedia is "don't put any unconfirmed information on an article". We can't assume this, as it is entirely possible this did not actually happen.EVANTHETOON 20:26, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Name

Why does this article say his name is galen marek, if the book is the only source that says this is his name and the other 2 (game and graphic novel) call him starkiller(and why is the book considered the main canon source)?--Lord starkiller the strong 17:49, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

  • Starkiller is a code name. His real name is Galen Marek. EVANTHETOON 22:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Yet, he doesn't even know that last name in the book. He considers, once again in the novel, Galen Marek to be a part of him, while his identity is that of Starkiller. Therefore, he should be refered to as Starkiller.--Master Tej 05:27, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Canon?

the exaggerated and over the top interpretation of the force in the game should not be considered canon, but rather the novelizations interpretation of the events in the game.--Kingj3489 07:16, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Galen's doppelganger

The clone of Starkiller should have a character page of his own as he isn't the same person, he's just a clone. Like the Clone army and Boba Fett are clones of Jango Fett, the new Starkiller character is a clone of Galen Marek so he should really have his own page. --195.93.21.66 17:10, 26 August 2010(UTC)

Not confirmed yet. Vader tells Starkiller he is a clone while Kota's telling him he cant be. More to the story that as not been revealed. Even so, the implication is he has the same memories and mostly the same personality, making him more alinned with Palpatine's clones which remain on Palpatine's page. Luuke and Joruus differed from their templates slightly in personality and memories.Ironreaper 04:24, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

raxus prime, part two

in this article, it says that the final duel with proxy came after the star destroyer thing, but isnt it the other way around?--Lord starkiller the strong 17:43, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • No, he duels with PROXY after bringing the Destroyer down.--Master Tej 05:28, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Split into multiple articles

The game has been released, and it makes it clear that there are in fact multiple incarnations of Starkiller:

1. The Starkiller you play as in the original up until he gets ejected from the Star Destroyer. 2. It has been retconned that the original Starkiller dies there, and the rest of the game is in fact a clone. 3. The Starkiller clone in TFUII. 4. The Dark Apprentice seen in the dark side ending also exists in the canonical timeline, as evident by the graphic novel unlocked as you complete challenges.

DjMack 03:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I split them up. Galen Marek (clone), Galen Marek (dark clone). Roger Murtaugh 05:46, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
    • So are we going to definitely split up the information between the original Starkiller and the clone (player character) from TFUII? Because even though we have a separate page for him now, others still seem to want to keep the clone's info on the original's page, as if it still is the original himself. If it is ever confirmed that they are the same person, they can always be merged back together but unless that happens, we have to go with what Vader said and what we saw in the second game - that this is a clone and the original's body is in some cold storage room on Kamino. JRT2010 01:59, October 29, 2010 (UTC)JRT2010

Dark Clone

It is clear to people that the dark clone at the dark side ending is non-canon. As in he only exists in the dark side ending? Its not like he just stood there and hid while Vader was arrested in the canon ending, since his master was very much screwed at the time. Then why is it made canon is is alive in the main artical. HE DOES NOT REALLY EXIST.--Ironreaper 14:34, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

  • Not quite. The dark side is an alternate take. If Marek decided to kill Vader the clone would have revealed himself. Marek choosing to kill Vader does not snap the clone into existence. --Doctor Kermit(Complain.) 15:31, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

But as the dark side ending, the only time that the dark clone in shown, is non-canon, then there is no proof that he is there on the light side path either. There is no indication that he was hiding, he did not strike when his master needed him, and only Boba Fett goes after Vader, no sign of him. The implication is that, if the clone your playing did choose the dark side ending, then the clone did have the potential to fall, a potential that Vader was able to exploit in his dark clone. But in the light side ending, he simply refuses too. his is devoted to the light so much that there is no indication Vader was any more successful turning his previous clones then this one. If i am proven wrong in TFU3 i will conced, since that would be an awesome boss fight.--Ironreaper 20:33, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

  • Prove that the dark clone was not with Boba on Slave I. However the points you bring up are valid, so I slapped an ambig tab on the page this morning. --Doctor Kermit(Complain.) 21:24, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Someone stealing Boba Fett's ride??!!! God no!! Fett's gonna be pissed.--Ironreaper 05:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

The onus isn't on people to prove he wasn't on Fett's ship, the burden of proof lies with you to say that he was. The Haunted Angel 20:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Galen Marek's Clone

After seeing the entire walkthrough of The Force Unleashed 2 game, it never shows neither way as to whether he is a clone or not. In the dark side ending an evil clone is revealed but since this isn't the canon ending of the game the dark clone is a non-canon character. General Kota insists that the clone is really Galen Marek. According to Kota no Jedi can be cloned. I feel that the seperate article pertaining to the clone should be closed and the information written in this article. Now the one thing that bugs me is that Rahm Kota's own apprentice Falon Grey was cloned successfully on Kamino producing X1 and X2. Kota would later run into X2 on Dantooine. At the end of the game Galen comes to believe it was Vaders trick telling him he was a clone. Therefore I feel it is important to include said information in this article and that the supposed clone and Galen Marek are one and the same and not two seperate individuals. As for the dark clone article it should be labeled non-canon since the character makes no appearence in the game except for in the dark side ending of the game and also the comic detailing the story which is also non-canon. Rac Ward

  • This discussion is already going on over at the clone's talk page. It's leaning toward keeping the article. As the story goes, Darth Vader ordered the cloning of Marek. The one in the game is simply the better of the many clones. MasterFred20px(Whatever) 05:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Is He a Clone After The Empirical?

In the TFU novelization, the apprentice notices that his rebuilt body has none of the scars he had obtained over the years; as well, I don't think he would have survived after being in hard vacuum that long. Does this mean the the Galen Marek that awakened on the Empirical was also a clone? --Darth Praxus SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit (Did somebody order a miracle?) 20:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

  • I would say that the answer is YES. Did you play the FU2 in one of the videos with the Dark Clone it shows the body of the Apprentice HOWEVER he is dress like he was before he died on the Super Star Destroyer and not how he was dressed on the Death Star.

I think there should be more pictures in the cloned section

  • I would say the an answer is NO! I think he is not a clone in both games and he is definitely not a clone in the first game.. He is one of the strongest jedi in whole star wars and he was a sith, trough hate they survive from much worse.. (Darth Vader should die long ago, he lost his both legs and arms.. He almost swim in lava, get beaten and left to die.. But he survived.. Don't you think his apprentice could survive just that.. Medical droids chanced his clothes because he was about to go a mission and was he suppose to go in sith clothes? --Sansuni 13:14, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

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  • There's a bit on the clone's page. Why is there so much information on the clone's experiences in TFU II anyway? There's already a page of him and it's been established (unless confirmed otherwise at some later time) that the clone and the original are separate. To have detailed information of the clone on the original's page would seem redundant by now. JRT2010 08:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)JRT2010

The Jedi of Light and Darkness

  • In my honest thought on the matter, could he not have been successfully cloned until the dark clone and he actually may not have died at the end of the first game, remember, the outfit he "died" in on the Empirical was never used by Galen again after that moment (even in the novelization), it could mean that from that point Vader could have placed a Cloned body of Galen in his training outfit that Vader had claimed from his first "killing" of Galen in order to decieve the Dark Clone? I actually have to say placing a difinative in the Wiki about the Dark Clone line should be listed as part of the Starwars Infinities line, it shouldn't be stated that it is entirely in fact and is actually part of cannon, but this is my opinion. The Jedi of Light and Darkness Jan. 11, 2011

Redirect

Should Starkiller not being renamed to Starkiller (disambiguation)? I think people think at Starkiller to Galen Marek. So should we rename it and make Starkiller a redirect here?--Station7 16:58, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the Starkiller should remain the same because many people don't know that Starkillers real name is Galen Marek. Cal Jedi 21:41, February 15, 2011 (UTC)