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Age

Where did the half come from? I thought he was just born in 32 bby, not 31.5? --Darthsith19 23:07, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • He was "born" in between 32 BBY and 31 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:08, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not stupid. I know 31.5 means between 31 and 32. What I wanted to know is where that information came from.--Darthsith19 23:40, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Leland Chee. It's fairly commonsense though - after all, there has to be several months for Dooku to defect, Jango to win the bounty comp, and the cloning to begin before Boba can be born. QuentinGeorge 23:47, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Fett's battle harness

I ran across this image posted here and I'm guessing it is based off of the Deluxe action figure.

I don't have the issue at hand but how should we go about incorporating this into the article. Does the SW Insider artwork make this canon? With just the action figure I would say "no" but the artwork backs it up.

Does anyone have this issue so we can get some more information on this? --DannyBoy7783 06:39, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • It's more than just artwork; that harness, the Wing blast rocket pack, was described in the History of the Mandalorians article. jSarek 06:59, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Awesome! Is there any information on it in the article? I used to have that issue but I can't seem to find it. I'd be happy to do an article up for it and include it in Fett's page as well.--DannyBoy7783 07:06, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Does anyone have info on this from the Star Wars Insider?--DannyBoy7783 04:19, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Move gear section

I propose we move the gear section of this article to Boba Fett's armor. --Imp 15:19, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • A move wouldn't be out of the question though not all of this stuff is his armor so that link wouldn't fit. Unless there is an established precedent of doing so. I know Vader has an armor page but that's pretty much just about his armor. Fett's stuff here includes weapons, non weapon gear items, clothing and his armor.--DannyBoy7783 20:53, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Though I'm also fine leaving it all in Fett's article.--DannyBoy7783 20:58, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, we can move that to "Boba Fett's armor", and shorten it down here. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
        • I'm not really in favor of that idea.--DannyBoy7783 21:27, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
          • Why? There will still be information left, as well as a note to see "Boba Fett's armor" as well. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
            • Boba Fett's equipment is a large part of who he is so it should stay on his page. There's no real need to move it so why do it?--DannyBoy7783 21:31, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
              • It's not going to be moved. It's going to be shortened here, while another article will be made. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:18, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                • Oh, is that so? Thanks Jack for telling me how it is going to be. Please see the first comment in this section. It is proposed that it (the gear section) be moved. I'm saying I don't think it is necessary. Tell me why you think it is please.--DannyBoy7783 22:44, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                  • I guess I misunderstood Imperialles's suggestion. I think that a separate page should be made, but still have some information on all of it here. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                    • I'm still in favor of leaving it as is. Why change it?--DannyBoy7783 01:45, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                    • I agree with Jack. (Mind you, I also suggested splitting Palpatine's extended bio to another article, and everyone thought it was a terrible idea.) — Silly Dan 02:11, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • I think it is something to consider for the future but I don't see it as necessary at the moment. It's a filled out section but it isn't huge. I plan to add the battle harness thing mentioned in the section above but other than that I feel the section has been fairly exhausted as far as content goes. If there was a large influx of new material I think it would be warranted.--DannyBoy7783 02:22, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Nonetheless, a page should be created for Fett's armor, even if this information here remains. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:50, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, give it a go if you wish and we can review it all after it is done.--DannyBoy7783 18:05, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • We'll also add a notice to see the page in the section on the gear. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:23, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • How about Boba Fett's equipment for a title? --Imp 02:17, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Legacy....

Holy fish on a stick! I've just heard that Boba will be back for Legacy of the Force! If that's supposed to take place after the swarm war, and if all the original characters are about 60 in that, then Boba must be in his late 70's-early 80's! How do they expect him to be a credible threat now?

  • He'll be 72 years old. He's only 3 years older than Han. -LtNOWIS 02:21, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • I wonder what the average life-expectancy is for Humans in Star Wars. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:32, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • In terms of non-force sensitive, Pellaeon was born 57 BBY, making him 97 by the time of the Legacy series. QuentinGeorge 02:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
        • I remember reading somewhere that the average life-expectancy is 150 or so... But it could be SuperShadow nonsense. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:36, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
          • Most likely. The actual life expectancy for humans in the SW galaxy is similar to earth. (ie, somewhere between 80-100). This is from the Revised Core Rulebook. Force-sensitives can live a bit longer. QuentinGeorge 02:44, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
          • He's Boba Fett, I'd never underestimate him as a force to be reckoned with. He'll be a credible threat a decade after he's six feet under.--DannyBoy7783 02:39, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
            • Still, it'd be funny to see him walking around with a walker. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax 02:42, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
              • He'd have that walker laced with explosives and rockets and blasters and let's be honest, probably a flame thrower and a jetpack to boot.--DannyBoy7783 02:55, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, 150 is perfectly reasonable in the GFFA. Just take Orn Belden, and then there is Duke Teta. And WotC has been wrong before. In UAA, they said the Yuuzhan Vong were venerable at their eighties, yet Malik Carr said they lived three times that length. -- SFH 03:25, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • "Perfectly reasonable" - No. It's specifically explained (in those character's articles, no less), that their lifespans are exceptional. Look at the age at which Mon Mothma died. QuentinGeorge 03:27, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • Due to countless medical treatments, and organ transplants, he was 300 years old - Doesn't sound like a "natural" lifespan now, does it? Neither does By the time of the Imperial occupation of Bakura, he had become Senior Senator, despite the fact that he had two prosthetic hearts and now required a voice amplifier to speak. QuentinGeorge 03:28, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe perfectly reasonable was not the best choice of words. But it is possible...And Fett isn't above asking for medical help. -- SFH 03:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh no doubt. Fett's already got a cloned leg, anyway. Anyway, I agree, with prosthetic replacements humans can live a long time in the GFFA - but I suspect that would be the same here, if we had the technology. All I was arguing was that the "natural" lifespan of humans in GFFA is the same as here - around a century, give or take two decades. QuentinGeorge 03:39, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Leia says in Joiner King that Han, who's 57 at that point, has a good forty years of active life left, meaning that humans don't become cripplingly old until around 100. Total avg lifespan, then, would probably be 115-ish. CooperTFN 04:16, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, I remember reading somewhere that the average Human could live to be around 120 or so... So, it's probably the same in the Star Wars Galaxy. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:42, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • "Back in November when we had a big story conference putting this series together, we did have a catchphrase that should define how you should be thinking about these aging characters: 60 is the new 40," said Allston. "They're remaining hale and healthy, and active up until much later ages, as our culture is with increasing and improving medical technology. So don't think of them as septuagenarian doddering, weak people. They're active fighting 60 and 70-year olds and looking good." -http://www.starwars.com/community/event/celebration/f20050419/indexp25.html--Xilentshadow900 14:02, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • That basically proves that the average life-expectancy is around anywhere from 120 to 150 or even higher. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:49, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • New quotes from Jan Duursema on the Legacy comics are indicating LF policy is that human lifespan is near-normal in the GFFA. Yrfeloran 06:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • On page 19 of The Joiner King, Han complains about how being outflown by RePlanetHab pilots makes him look old. Leia tells him that he's only in his mid-sixties, and that he has "at least" forty good years left, maybe fifty if he takes care of himself. So if that's any indication, the average human lifespan would be 100-110. The question, then, is when the physical strength and reflexes become so diminished that a guy can't be an effective bounty hunter or starfighter pilot anymore.
  • There's always the possibility that, due to his origin, Boba Fett ages more slowly than a normal human, so perhaps he won't be ready for the Old Bounty Hunters' Home until years after Han's died of natural causes. I think I read somewhere that the aging of the clones was slowed.--HanShotFirst 06:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
    • No. The CLones ageing was sped up so it didn't take so long to grow the army. Boba was made without any alterations. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 08:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
      • The aging was sped up, as I just read by skimming through several chapters of Dark Lord, but there were all KINDS of differences between Boba and the more common clones. Jango wanted a son, so Boba started out as a child. Jango also wanted to raise his kid in the normal amount of time such things take, so Boba aged at the normal rate.--HanShotFirst 10:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Which is what i just said effecitvely. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 11:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
          • Wow, that was strange. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
            • My mistake, when you said "The CLones ageing was sped up so it didn't take so long to grow the army. Boba was made without any alterations," I took it to mean that he was the same as the other clones rather than being altered to be different from them and age normally or more slowly. That's instead of taking it as it was meant, i.e. "The clone troopers were altered, Boba wasn't."--HanShotFirst 05:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

  • Anyone got good quotes for the first two sections of the bio? One about a) His childhood and B) His early career is what we're after. QuentinGeorge 02:53, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

New external link

How is that new external link relevant? It just seems like someone's random blog. The information isn't very important or noteworthy. I say we remove it. I'm not trying to be a party pooper or anything it just seems kind of pointless. Thoughts?--DannyBoy7783 21:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm going to delete this new link tomorrow if I don't hear anything in its defense.--DannyBoy7783 01:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Apparently its already been done. Thanks.--DannyBoy7783 18:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Canon Fett without his helmet

I don't know if anyone here collects the Star Wars action figures but a new series coming out of metal figures will debut with Vader and Fett. They feature removable helmets and you can check them out here. These are just prototypes at the moment but when they are finally released would this constitute a canon representation of Boba Fett with his helmet off (as opposed to his appearance in Empire: Infinities)?--DannyBoy7783 03:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I've never been sure about the canon status of toys, but considering the Utapau shadow trooper made it to What's the story?, I'd say that'd be canon enough. Although, wasn't Fett also unmasked in a recent issue of Tales? -LtNOWIS 13:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I added the image. If anyone wants to discuss it please do!--DannyBoy7783 02:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Interesting. Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
        • When I heard this was being made I was really excited. Then I saw the pictures and I was less excited. Then I read reviews and saw detailed images and I was sad. Then I saw it in person at KB Toys and it was $18. I gave up on it totally. It looks like ass to me and I'm really dissapointed with it but I think it's a cool idea still and useful for the page. My personal opinion of toy canon is that it is the bottom of the canon barrel so if nothing else interferes with it then it's ok to use. That's just me though, not site policy.--DannyBoy7783 23:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
          • It's the same with me. I don't like the idea of having Hasbro, Kenner, LEGO, or any other toy companies as sources. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
            • I wouldn't have a problem with them as a source until someone tried to say they trump a comic, book, or movie. Then I'd have some major issues.--DannyBoy7783 23:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
              • I just think that all toy websites should be removed from sources lists. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Battlefront 2

Bly1993 added: "He destroyed the cloning centers and became the scourge of the Kaminoans" Where is the proof of this statement? I have the game but that's speculation I think.--DannyBoy7783 20:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

  • They probably felt betrated since one of their own creations had brought the Empire back down on them. -- SFH 20:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
    • It never says that though so wouldn't that just be fan speculation? I'm all for spicing up the writing when it is needed but I think that line should go.--DannyBoy7783 20:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
      • The "and became the scourge of the Kaminoans" should be removed if it hasn't been yet. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
        • We don't even know if these are the same Kaminoans. We do know that Boba maintains good relations with Taun We, which is how he got his replacement leg. So obviously he wasn't the scourge of all the Kaminoans.Darth Ceratis 05:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Jaden Korr

It says that Fett encountered Korr(who was a jedi)in 10 ABY, but Skywalker established his Academy in 11 ABY, I don't know the exact date when Fett encountered Korr, but we gotta fix this mistake!

  • Maybe it isn't a mistake. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Okay, it's not a big mistake. We can just change it to 11 ABY. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
      • The Jaden Korr article states that the events of Jedi Knight: jedi academy happened 10 after the battle of endor. That's my mistake, I read 10 ABY. I'll adjust the article to say 14 ABY (Battle of Endor was 4 ABY).--DannyBoy7783 22:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Everything should say "... after the Battle of Yavin" instead of "... Endor" to avoid year confusion. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Good point. I went ahead and fixed the Jaden Korr article.--DannyBoy7783 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I erased the "as part if his training" thing. Jaden Korr was made full Jedi Knight before this mission and didn't require any more training.Petiflo 14:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

  • You really don't need to write here about your edits. An edit summary is fine. And even if you don't write an edit summary, you don't need to write anything here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

What now?

It seems that there hasn't been much new content on Boba's page the past few weeks. I can't think of anything more to add at the moment. Can anyone come up with some ideas or suggestions? This is my favorite page so I'd love to do some more work on it. I Image the new Star Wars Insider issue may throw a few nuggets our way though.--DannyBoy7783 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Don't worry, I'm sure something is coming. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines, anyone? - Kwenn 22:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh, and Boba Fett: Overkill which I forgot about. Come sout March 15th.--DannyBoy7783 23:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
        • I say that Boba Fett media should be kept at a minimum. It keeps his image of being mysterious, which people (and I) love him for.--Xilentshadow900 23:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Hey, we need to know more about him, in my opinion. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
            • As long as the writers for the character stay true to him I don't think more content is a problem.--DannyBoy7783 03:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured?!

I'm sorry but this page is not FA material. At least not in wikipedia standards. --UVnet 01:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

  • How so? Admiral J. Nebulax 01:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
    • It's changed significantly since it was featured, for what it's worth. QuentinGeorge 01:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh, I see. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:55, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
        • This article has had substantial additions since it was featured, his weapons/equipment section in particular. In fact, it should be RE-featured because of all the additions. Pretty much everything available on Fett has been included as far as I can tell. UVnet, can you please explain why you think this article doesn't deserve "Featured Article" status?--DannyBoy7783 04:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
  • First of all the intro section is way too short. Second the entire behind the scenes section is poorly written. I mean, from a simple read a person who is not that familiar with his character can't get the idea that this character was at one time close to the most popular character in the star wars universe despite having such short screen time and almost no lines. Also there is nothing about the fact that most people (even some star wars fans) had no idea that he survived the sarlacc pit, and that his revival is somewhat controversial (I've heard in several places that one of the greatest aspects of his character is his death). Also almost no information about the whole Jaster Mereel thing, expect for:
he was once a Journeyman Protector called Jaster Mereel, an alias he took to honor his father's mentor.

which appears in the Behind the scenes section (?!) and has no mention that before AOTC it was believed this was his name.

It feels like any article that passes the 35KB mark receives an FA status here. An enormous amount of information is not enough for FA status. I mean, quality of writing and article structure are at the same (if not more) importance. Try to think in wikipedia standards here people. --UVnet 10:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

  • The intro section is fine. Other articles that have been featured had it short. And maybe the Behind the Scenes article is poorly written now. As for the fans who didn't know he survived, that's why there's a section on it in the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out a few things.
  1. We are not Wikipedia. We are our own community and have our own way of doing things.
  2. At the time this article was featured, we had no strict guidelines as to what made a featured article. We have since then developed criteria that potential FAs must meet to be featured, including the length of the intro and the writing style.
  3. For those who were disussing earlier about the renomination of this or any other previous FA, go here for a community vote. StarNeptune 19:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how the story "The Last One Standing" from Tales of the Bounty Hunters is resolved? It ends with Fett and Solo with rifles to each other's chests and Solo goes on to have other adventures. What I would like to know is if this resolution is ever described or referred to in any later Star Wars novels? Thanks! [Darth Sutek]

YJK "Appearance"

Jack removed the following appearance:

I don't see why this should be taken off. I mean, if we note anytime someone is mentioned, that alone means the book should be on here. Whether it was really him or not, it is definitely worth noting. -- Ozzel 23:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I removed it because it wasn't an actual Fett appearance, just his daughter disguised as him. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I know, but it's at least worthy of a "(Mentioned only)," right? And if we're gonna do that, we might as well be specific. -- Ozzel 00:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
      • But was he metioned, or was it only Ailyn Vel in his armor? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
        • It shouldn't matter. If someone says "Hey, it's Boba Fett!", it doesn't matter if it's Boba Fett or Jar Jar Binks. They just mentioned Boba Fett. Besides, I'm sure there are many, many people who are unaware of this retcon. We want the best and most complete information possible, right? I don't see what deleting it accomplishes. -- Ozzel 01:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Actually, yes, it should. If someone is wearing Boba Fett's armor and it's not Fett, that shouldn't count as a Fett appearance, or even a mention. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
            • Appearances are by definition out of universe. For years, everyone thought that Boba Fett was in YJK; the retcon is fairly recent. I say we include the appearance, or have a note in Behind the Scenes explaining the retcon. -LtNOWIS 21:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Just slap a {{mo}} tag on it, since he himself did not appear. --Imp 22:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
    • ^Yep, it should certainly be a mention (mo).--Valin Kenobi 22:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Okay, but if we're gonna do that, why not go ahead and be specific? -- Ozzel 22:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
        • There's precedent for listing it like that in Jodo Kast, where one appearance is listed as "as impersonated by Thrawn." I added that, and no one has complained. —Silly Dan (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
      • The "specificness" can be added to his main article text. No need to clutter up the sappearances section. :) --Imp 22:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
        • "Specificity?" ;-) Then does the same go for Thrawn on Jodo Kast's page? -- Ozzel 22:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
          • If Thrawn is mentioned, it definitely should be listed. --Imp 22:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Jabba's henchman

Considering he's a freelance bounty hunter, can he qualify for being Jabba's henchman? Just reguarding the new category.--Xilentshadow900 22:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

  • No, I don't think so. He didn't always work for Jabba, after all. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I doubt all of Jabba's henchmen worked only for Jabba in their life time Jack so thje fact that Fett worked for others during his lifetime doesn't rule him out (I would argue). Xilent, one can argue both sides of this but considering he is freelance and works by contract I would say he isn't someone's "henchman". It seems kind of beneath him to me. It is debatable though.--DannyBoy7783 16:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Well there are 4 court members who I can say probley did work for Jabba there entire lifes, in the buisness of course. Ephont Mon and the 2 gamorrean guards (Ortugg and Rouga) who died at Carkooon, the others left and worked for others after jabba's death. If i'm wrong, I'm wrong. Please correct me if I am. It's just my knowlege of this Henchmen deal. -- jabbathehuttgartogg

Hey, I've got an idea!

Why don't we put (Ailyn Vel disguised as Boba Fett) on the YJK appearances?!? ;-) Okay, sarcasm aside, let's put that, put a (Retcon) next to it, and then put a <!--Info from Star Wars Insider, etc.--> note for all future editors to see. -- Ozzel 00:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

New Fett image from the Legacy series

Do we really need this image here? Fett looks exactly the same as he always does and the image isn't even that great. Just because there is a new image of Boba Fett doesn't mean it has to go up, does it?--DannyBoy7783 03:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, since it's his only current shot from the Legacy era, you might as well leave it in. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I suppose. I figured you'd say that actually. If he looked different in some way I could understand leaving it...but it's not the end of the world.--DannyBoy7783 03:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, under that armor, I'm sure he changed. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
        • No doubt...but that won't be illustrated by putting an image of him in his armor on the page.--DannyBoy7783 23:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

File:Bobafettarmor.jpg

right|thumb Is it really necessary to put in the article? It is already linked to in the sources section. Seems a bit redundant to me.--DannyBoy7783 13:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I think we should keep it in, since it does show the schematics for Fett's armor. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • You can't really read the schematics, even when you enlarge the image. And including an entire magazine spread kind of strains the bounds of fair use. — SavageBob 19:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Fine, remove it then. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
        • If someone wants to crop portions of the original file from bobafett.com to show off specific items I think that would be ok but I think having the entire picture is sort of overkill a little. --DannyBoy7783 20:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't think having bits and pieces of the picture would look any better. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
            • As SavageBob pointed out you can't read the diagram in the uploaded version so all the image does is serve to show off his armor which is already done by other pictures in the article. It's not a big deal. --DannyBoy7783 04:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Han Solo trilogy

WHy doesn't someone mention his appearence in the han solo trilogy.It states that boba fett hunted solo and was cuaght by lando calrrisian. ```Varas Halcyon

It's in thier, but not in sufficient detail. Callrisisans capture and drugging of Fett gave Fett a reason to hate

You only mentioned that Fett hated Solo because of the honor thing. Solo being involved in Fetts capture, drugging, and humiliation gave Fett a real reason to hate Solo, and I think we need to explain that. Varas Halcyon

Tense in articles and greetings to all the Fetties

Hey there. Sorry about changing the tense around in the article. Didn't know it was all supposed to be in past tense. [Silly Dan] helped me out with that and showed me the how-to edit page. How's everyone here doing, by the way. I discovered this site by accident one day and I've added a few little things here and there, over the last year or so. Didn't have a lot of time to spend editing on here at the time. I was more interested in reading all the very well done articles that fans have put on this site. By my log in name, it's obvious I'm a big Fett fan, and of course, that transfers over to anything Mandalorian. Lots of wonderful stuff on here about it all. I help out on the Boba Fett Fan Club website, so if you ever need any help with research or anything like that, just say the word guys (and gals, if there's any out there). Well, I hope you all are doing well. Looking forward to helping out on here. Take care. --Sadriel Fett 04:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I don't think there's anything to it... I always thought it was a credit symbol, but it actually does look like a Fender "F". Cutch 01:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture placement in article

I was taking a look at the article and noticed that one of the Boba Fett pics is blocking out the first sentence of the Early Imperial era (19 BBY to 0 BBY) section. Does anyone know how to fix that? Sadriel Fett 06:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Symbol on Jaster Mereel's ship

I'm sure that the recent addition about the symbol on Fett's breastplate also being on Jaster Mereel's ship is refering to the "Jaster's Legacy." However, do we know that was Jaster's ship? As far as I know, that was only referenced to be Jango's ship before he acquired Slave 1.

Also, I was wondering if anyone has actually heard any official origin story for this particular symbol? I'm curious to the reason Boba Fett has it on his armor. The reason I ask, is I noticed one of the Clone pilots in Episode III has this symbol on his helmet. He would be the pilot that states "They're all over me" and then promptly gets destroyed. I happened to catch it in the theater, but wasn't able to confirm it, until the DVD's came out and I could pause the image. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

http://i9.that-bucket-with-photos.com/albums/a85/Mandalorian_Boba_Fett/mandbright.jpg

From Star Wars: Bounty Hunter, Jango, talking about Jaster's Legacy -
"Not a chance, she belonged to Jaster Mereel".
QuentinGeorge 06:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, that shows it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't see why the fact that this particulary symbol being on clones helmets could be a problem. Jango has this symbol and he has been used for the cloning process. Besides the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic (in Insider 84) tells us, at many times, that mandalorian warriors have been hired to form some clone batallions. In the EU we also see at many times that mandalorian culture has a big place in the clone community. In Star Wars: Republic Commando we can even see (or hear) battle songs, from mandalorian culture, sung by clones. This symbol is just a small part of that culture sharing between Mandalorians and Clones (sorry for my english...). (Kaal-Jhyy)
    • Your English is fine. And as for the "wheat symbol", they definitely got it from Jango, who I believe was in Meerel's regiment. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh, no doubt. Definitely got it from the Mandalorians. I was just wondering what it meant. I had once heard it stood for the Journeyman Protectors, and once that it was supposed to stand for the SuperCommando's. I don't think Lucasfilms has ever really said what it's for, though, like they have with the Mando Skull. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 16:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, Jaymach gave us that answer. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 17:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
          • I'm sure that you all know that yet, but, the comics series Jango Fett: Open Season is a great source for infos about relationship between Jango and Jaster, as well as the places of those characters inside the mandalorian army. I've not checked yet the symbols and all that stuff in detail, but I'm sure it could worth it. Maybe we could find some useful meanings in it. Anyway, you have really good eyes Sadriel! I've played Bounty Hunter game a lot, and so, have seen this symbol many times, but never noticed it in ROTS. Good job! (oh, and I'm glad that my english is not too bad, thanks ;) ...) (Kaal-Jhyy)
  • BTW, there's this picture I've found on the official site...

File:Clone Pilot (Phase II)5.jpg

... and it's curiously similar to the one you've showed us. Ok, both characters are clones, but the shot is pretty much the same, as well as the facial expression, and the symbol is really not the same. So, I've not checked in the movie, but does this picture actually come from the movie (at least from the final version)? (Kaal-Jhyy)

  • I don't remember seeing that one. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I've seen that one on the Star Wars website, too. Thought it was pretty neat. That's the actual Clone's symbol, ain't it? On the snapshots page, I think? Well, I know the Mandalorian symbol clone pilot is from the movie, because I had to pause the DVD player and take the pic myself, because I couldn't find the pic anywhere else.  ;-) Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 03:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Maybe they filmed one side shot of Temuera and added all the details of the uniform in digitally? They said, when playing Commander Cody, he was wearing a blue suit, and the armor was added digitally. Maybe this is another example of the same? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 03:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Pft, clearly it was the symbol of his home swoop racing team. *sarcasm* Jachra 09:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sarlacc escapes

This article needs to go more in-depth on the...what, three times he hauled himself out of there? Thanos6 17:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I've added the information from the Marvel comic and, having re-read the Tales from Jabba's Palace story, I can't find any reason why this escape can not match the Bounty Hunter Wars story; it simply goes into more detail about what he did while in the Sarlacc, and how he escaped. If anyone wants to go into any more detail from that story, then they can feel free. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Out of sheer curiosity... considering what we see in ROTJ, does George Lucas "accept" that Boba Fett survives the Sarlacc? I'm not arguing its canonicity; I'm just wondering where the big man stands on it. -BaronGrackle 20:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I believe Lucas said somewhere that he accepts that Fett survived. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 22:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
        • In the audio commentary from ROTJ DVD, Lucas expresses his regrets to haven't made a more spectacular death for Boba Fett, because of his popularity and especially cause of his backstory he's made in the prequels, and finishes about Boba saying "Most people don't believe he died anyway...". So, I do think he's accepted that Boba Fett survived the Sarlacc, or at least that people think that, but I'm not sure about his own opinion. Anyway, I really think that Boba's survival is canon, at least in the Bounty Hunter Wars. I don't know well the Marvel series, but it makes me wondering if all that is in can really be canon? I've seen some really weird things in it, that could makes me think about Flash Gordon more than Star Wars... Anyway, I think that Bounty Hunter Wars is the best, and canonical, source for Boba Fett's survival. ;) (Kaal-Jhyy)
          • Well, if Marvel Star Wars was a game, I couldn't agree with you more, but unfortunately it isn't. However, we have to accept both Marvel and Bounty Hunter Wars. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
            • Yeah, I'm not too thrilled about the Jawa story, either. However, Star Wars Insider retrofitted the Marvel Comics story with Boba Fett, Fenn Shysa, and Tobi Dala. Since Boba would have been too young during that history version of Boba Fett, they made it to where it was actually the ARC Trooper Spar, and everyone called him the son of Jango Fett, so everyone assumed he was Boba Fett. Something, I'm guessing, that Spar didn't discourage. But, I guess it caught up to him later, when Ailyn Vel killed him, thinking he was Boba Fett. So, if they're going to include that story as part of Mandalorian history, I guess we should include the Jawa story in the article, as well, you know? I'm still not sure what they're talking about him escaping three times, though? I only heard about the time in the Marvel series, and the time that's represented in both the Tales from Jabba's Palace and The Bounty Hunter Wars books. Can someone explain the third time he's supposed to have escaped the Sarlaac? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 19:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  • So, does anyone else think we've elaborated on the Sarlaac escape enough that we can take down the "needs to be expanded" banner on the article page? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 04:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
In the article, it says that Fett's escape in "Jawas of Doom" was his first escape from the Sarlacc, followed by the escape presented in "A Barve Like That: The Tale of Boba Fett," "Payback: The Tale of Dengar," and The Mandalorian Armor. However, this cannot be the case for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that the article, as it stands, completely omits details on Fett's escape in a fifth source contradictory to the two accounts presented already, meaning that Fett in fact escaped a total of three times.
The source in question is "The Ordeal of Boba Fett," a short story from the Dark Empire Sourcebook that details Fett's escape from the Sarlacc in an account similar to that presented in "A Barve Like That," "Payback," and The Mandalorian Armor but different enough to suggest that it is in fact a completely separate account. Therefore, "Jawas of Doom" must be Fett's second escape from the Sarlacc, as it ends with him back inside the creature, where he is just before the start of "The Ordeal of Boba Fett."
Now, it may be possible to retcon the "A Barve Like That"/"Payback"/The Mandalorian Armor escape and the "Ordeal of Boba Fett" escape into the same event, so I shall present a few of the differences between the two accounts here to see if anyone can reconcile them.
  • In "Payback: The Tale of Dengar," Dengar takes the Punishing One out to the Dune Sea to search for salvage from Jabba's sail barge, but in "The Ordeal of Boba Fett," he spends the night in Jabba's palace and takes a skiff out to the site of the explosion the next day.
  • In "Payback," Dengar doesn't know who Fett is when he saves his life, and when Fett reveals his true identity, Dengar flies into a rage and tries to kill him. In "The Ordeal of Boba Fett," Dengar recognizes Fett immediately (despite never having seen him without his armor), but helps him anyway.
  • Also in "Payback," Fett is completely naked when Dengar finds him, yet in "Ordeal," Fett is covered with a knotted, fibrous material, "like the inside of a wyykmelon."
  • In "Ordeal," Dengar immediately takes Fett back to Jabba's palace, where Fett lies in a coma for a month. Unless Return of the Jedi is a month long, I don't see how Boba Fett can be running around having adventures in the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy that end the same time as the film.
There is also at least one issue that seems to indicate that three escapes are necessary for everything to make "sense."
  • "A Barve Like That" begins with Fett regaining consciousness inside the Sarlacc for the first time and reviewing how Han Solo came to knock him in. It also has the first meeting between Fett and Susejo, the Sarlacc's first victim, who has become psychically bonded with it over the millennia and refuses to let Fett to escape. If "Jawas of Doom" is Boba Fett's first escape, how did he escape so easily from someone so determined to keep him and why doesn't he remember it at all in "A Barve Like That"?
What all of this seems to suggest is that Boba Fett fell into the Sarlacc in Return of the Jedi, got out for the first time in "A Barve Like That" (his rescue by Dengar after his escape was detailed in The Mandalorian Armor and "Payback"), then somehow was eaten by the Sarlacc again in an encounter no source has yet documented. Following this, he made his second escape in "Jawas of Doom," only to fall back into the Sarlacc by the end of that story. His third and final escape would then take place in "The Ordeal of Boba Fett," which has him again being rescued by Dengar.
Obviously this is a convoluted mess that makes little to no sense at all either for Boba Fett's character or for the Star Wars saga narrative, but, adhering strictly to canon, what other options are there besides stating that Boba Fett was eaten by the Sarlacc three times and escaped three times, and that the first and third escapes were eerily similar? Lieutenant Gerard 03:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the three versions should be kept separately and their distinct sources clearly identified. It also seems to me that the largest convolution to the story of his escape is "A Barve Like That", and should therefore not be considered authoritative, and should be considered, instead, a story from a myth about Boba Fett.
The large chunk of metal sticking out of the Sarlacc Pit in "The Mandalorian Armor", could be considered the remains of the Sandcrawler.
However, no matter what the case, the full-size books should be considred more reliable than the comics or short stories. Therefore, "The Mandalorian Armor" should be considered authoritative, while the other two are considered earlier speculations. It's unlikely that he would end up back in the same pit, and absolutely unbelievable that he could ever end up there a third time without someone doing it to him on purpose.Corjay 19:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I didn't mean it was canon. I just meant "authoritative". A committee determines SW canon. I just suggest identifying which is most convincing, and therefore more authoritative.Corjay 20:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Edited above comments. My use of the word "cannon" (accidentally mispelled), was accidental. I was just trying to get my thoughts out. I did say that books should be more reliable. This does not mean canon. Just better sources.Corjay 20:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No, I'm not. I try to say what I mean, and I don't mean canon. Book writers just do their homework with other book sources. Comics and short stories usually calculate very little in such research. And comic writers usually don't do that much research, except in other comics, and short story writers just don't.Corjay 20:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No. I was not. A book is not automatically canon, but a book is a better source. That is all.Corjay 20:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Look up the word "canon". This conversation is over.Corjay 20:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll take Chris's statement: "When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films," and leave the rest, as they have developed a secondary term for "canon" not recognized by any English language definition. Thanks for trying. As I said, it's over. I know what I said, and I know what I meant. If you want to interpret my words through your concepts, go right ahead, just don't try to force your interpretation of what I said, because it won't change it. From the dictionary sense, I was not talking canon.Corjay 20:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Dude, it's time to move on. Unless you have something constructive to add to the discussion about the Sarlacc Pit, any further attempt at discussing my meaning or stating an objection to this statement will meet with official complaint at your behavior.Corjay 20:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, after reviewing their contact policy, this thread is where my complaint is supposed to be. In other words, there's no one to report to. I'm going to get lost and remember this is Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax's Wiki. If he feels like picking a fight, he'll find it or the other person will leave. Later.
    • Cool it, both of you. Jack, there was no reason to continually accuse him of "setting his own canon scale". We have a canon policy here, and as long as he follows that, it doesn't matter what he thinks about it. QuentinGeorge 07:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Quentin, I'm only saying that it sounded like he was trying to make his own canon scale when he said "full-size books should be considred more reliable than the comics or short stories". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 11:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Boba Fett appearances

What happened to all the Boba Fett appearances on the page? Is there a reason someone moved them all to List of Boba Fett appearances? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 01:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

  • When there's a lot of appearances, it's sometimes easier to move them, to make the page less bulky. See Category:Appearances lists. I guess whether it was neccesary is a judgement call. -LtNOWIS 08:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Vong Invasion Mandalorians

I noticed someone from ISP 152.163.100.132 keeps changing the Vong Invasion era Mandalorians involvement. I don't like the way it reads right now, as part of a "continuity" error. They also list the error because it says they allied themselves with the Yuuzhan Vong from one of the Star Wars Tales comics. However, this isn't so, if this is the comic they are referring to.

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There might be a reference from the NJO series. I never read those. However, I know for a fact that they didn't ally themselves with the Yuuzhan Vong yet, from that Star Wars Tales comic issue. Fett only tells Han to tell his friends that "The Mandalorians are back, and we're working for whoever can afford to hire them. And right now the Yuuzhan Vong have all the credits." That was a threat, not an actual confirmation that they had allied themselves with the Yuuzhan Vong at that time. Like I said, though, I don't know if there were any other references to them fighting alongside the Yuuzhan Vong in the NJO series or not. The only excerpt from that I know of, are the Mandalorians fighting against the Vong on a space station. Does anyone else know of any other mention of them allying themselves with the Yuuzhan Vong?

Also, does anyone else agree about the way that portion of the article reads. I'm really too tired to re-write it right now, plus I wanted to make sure there weren't any other references to the Mandalorians allying themselves to the Vong, before I deleted it. Anyone else have any suggestions? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 05:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

  • There is abolsutely no reason to delete it. The implication is plain and if this covered any subject other than one of the sacred Fabdalorian shrines no one would complain. Kuralyov 05:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Hey, what a suprise: the ComicCon panel confirmed that the Mandos allied with the Vong. Score: me 1, Fandalorians 0. Kuralyov 02:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber

Was it ever explained how Fett came to be able to wield a lightsaber? Lucas Wolfdog 01:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Was that Tales story made canon?

The one in which for some reason, Tarkin sends Boba after a lowly deserter and Vader winds up fighting him with a lightsaber in the Cantina? —Unsigned comment by Pdixie (talk • contribs)

  • I don't recall it being canonized. -- Ozzel 17:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, I think it was... I thought I saw something on this Wiki that said it had been... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 17:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
      • What was the source that canonized it? Lieutenant Gerard 19:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
        • That's what I'm trying to figure out... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
        • I just noticed the non-cannon logo place before and after this story excerpt. I really don't think it belongs there. I do not see how it fits under the "contains information explicitly released under the Infinities brand, confirmed to be non-canon by the author or Lucasfilm, or cut from the final release of a Star Wars media" guidelines? It wasn't cut from the media, because it wasn't in the films. I've never heard of it being confirmed as being non-canon from the author (if so, then I'd like to see the link to this). And it wasn't part of the Infinities storylines. And if you say that Star Wars Tales was part of the inifinity lines, that's not true. Yes, they threw some stories in there that were for fun, but those were all done to be overtly obvious that they were just for fun and not intended to be part of continuity (like the "Fett Club" story). Overall, most of the stories were part of the regular Star Wars comics line continuity. If that were not the case, then we shouldn't have any pics with Fett and Sintas Vel, Fett and the other Mandalorians, and so forth, since they were all part of the Star Wars Tales comic book run. Does anyone else agree? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 00:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
          • The fact is, some Tales stories have become canon, meaning that all Tales comics were originally non-canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
            • Where does it say this, though? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 01:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
              • Not sure, but why else would they make some Tales stories canon? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                • If I recall correctly, originally their canonicity was never mentioned, so they were assumed to be as canon as everything else. About the time that "Resurrection" came out, they came out with the new "Infinities" tag, which they applied to that issue and announced retroactively applied to all Tales stories. This irked a lot of people, who didn't want to see good, uncontroversial stories like "Mara Jade: A Night on the Town," "Thank the Maker!," and "Darth Vader: Extinction" relegated to noncanon status, especially since some were already starting to be referenced. As a result, we were told that the Tales stories were ambiguously canon, and though clearly some stories were outside of regular canon (e.g. "Skippy the Jedi Droid"), the ones that were getting referenced could be viewed as canon. This calmed the fans down a bit, but their continuing clamor led to the changes in policy first implemented in Star Wars Tales 21. jSarek 02:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                  • Which Tales story is this, anyway?--Darth OblivionComlink20px 03:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
                  • All Tales stories are Infinities except those in issues #21-24 explicitly stated to be otherwise. Sometimes elements from non-canon Tales stories are brought into continuity when those elements are referenced in canon sources, like Vader remembering C-3PO on Cloud City and Fett having a wife and child, but as far as I know, Boba Fett having a lightsaber duel with Darth Vader has never been referenced anywhere besides the non-canon Tales story it originally appeared in. And no offense, but I'm glad; I think it's a pretty stupid idea.
                    • Actually, I thought all Tales stories were assumed to be canon in the Holocron, unless they were obviously comedic or contradicted by something. -LtNOWIS 21:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Since it is listed as non-canon, should we put a notice that it is such in the caption of the pic of the incident, since the pic is not actually in the noncanon section? - Angel Blue 451 21:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I think the pic is fine the way it is, seeing as how no one has actually shown any real proof that the story isn't considered canon. Let the reader decide if they accept it as canon or not. People have said that some issues are cannon and some are not. Obviously, the tongue-in-cheek ones are not going to be considered cannon, but since there are several stories within each issue, the goofy ones are sometimes mixed in with what could be considered legitimate stories. So, I can't see how some "entire" issues are put aside as non-canon. I think they should be decided by individual story, and not the entire issue. Still, no one has provided a definite resource or reference from a Lucasfilm or Dark Horse comics source that states which stories are cannon and not. However, like someone said, some writers have actually used stories from the comics to elaborate their own story arc, such as Boba Fett and Sintas Vel having a baby together. I know there has to be an official Star Wars Tales reference somewhere out there that we can use, so we can have a definite answer to this question. Until then, I think we've been using a more common sense approach to the subject, which seems to work fine with the majority. Obviously, the majority of contributors to the site are all big fans, so in the end we're all trying to do right by the articles done on here and have a good, fun time while doing it. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 22:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Kamino Uprising

When he ran into Taun We, Boba explained that it was only a hired job for the Empire and that he held no ill feelings towards Kamino and especially to her, the Kaminoan who was kind to him. Taun We understood and the two would remain friends throughout the rest of Fett's life. The Kamino uprising was the only time Fett ever regretted participating in, mainly because of his childhood memories there and his friendship with Taun We.

What is the source for this? - Angel Blue 451 20:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 

- Angel Blue 451 20:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Delivering Han Solo Picture

I was wondering if anyone would object to uploading a different image for Boba Fett delivering Han Solo to Jabba the Hutt? The one on there now is from the Shadows of the Empire: Battle of the Bounty Hunter "pop-up" book, and to be honest, it looks really tacky. I was thinking of something more along the line of this pic:

Boba_Fett_Delivers_Han_Solo_to_Jabba.jpg

If there are no objections, I'll load it on here in a day or so. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 21:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Tales of the Bounty Hunters

In The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett I noticed to other things that have been retconned. The story implies he had never had sex, but by this time he had married and fathered a child. He also states he doesn't believe in the Force, which seems unlikely.--Darth Oblivion 04:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't debt he doesn't belive in the force. For all we know, He may have thought Luke, Dooku, Mace Windu and Vader were all nuts or he was seeing things. He liked the low life scum life dirtbag rutine. He worked for the credits. Or your book is Noncanon. Mabey the wife is hiding something. Mabey she had an affair with, Zuckuss. --Jabbathehuttgartogg DesilijicEmblem-TheOfficialSWFactFile DesilijicEmblem-TheOfficialSWFactFile 04:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
    • The book has made an error(s), then. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It's not that the book made an error (since it came out before the prequels), it's that Boba's backstory has now been largley retconned since Lucas put him in Episode II. The "wife and child" retcon came recently, making it the current canon. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 21:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Bloodlines issues

Alright, first of all: Boba Fett has NO Mando'a name. Bob'ika is the familiar diminutive of Boba, and would be translated as "Little Boba" (just like Ord'ika for Ordo). He hasn't been called like that since childhood, but although Goran Beviin calls him "Bob'ika", it's not because it's the Mando'a-translation of his name, but because he cares for Fett in this situation. The second thing would be the quote "My word is my bond, and you lied to me." - it is not in A Practical Man, and it can hardly be in Bloodlines. I have no problem to stand corrected, but there is need to know the source of this quote. -- Tracyn 16:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, it's fine to keep "Bob'ika Vhett" in there until we know Boba's actual first name in Mando'a. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 20:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • He doesn't have an actual name in Man'doa - he can't speak it until he's an old man, and he was raised by a Concord Dawn-born farmboy who likely couldn't speak the language either. His name is Boba Fett. Period. QuentinGeorge 21:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Actually, no. Fett knows his last name is "Vhett" in Mando'a; it's just his first name that is unknown. So, including title, his name is "Manda'lor (Boba's Mando'a first name) Vhett". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Vhett means farmer in Mando'a as stated in the book. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 23:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Yeah, but Boba himself said "Vhett" was his Mando'a last name. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Irrelevant. Vhett is a Mandalorian word for farmer. Vhett may very well be the etymological origin of Boba's surname, but Fett is his actual name. He wasn't born on Mandalore. He wasn't born of Mandalorian speaking parents. His name is from Concord Dawn. Regardless of their linguistic origins, you don't "translate" names. If "Jack" goes to F: rance, he doesn't become "Jacques". Do you understand? QuentinGeorge 06:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
          • My thoughts excactly, QuentinGeorge! Maybe they have Z, X and F in Concord Dawn accent, so "Vhett" is "Fett", there, but it's still not a "translation" of a name. It's just like you have "John" in this language, and "Sean" in this, because they sound slightly similar... Thanks for taking care of this while I wasn't online :) Tracyn 09:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • "The second thing would be the quote "My word is my bond, and you lied to me." - it is not in A Practical Man, and it can hardly be in Bloodlines. I have no problem to stand corrected, but there is need to know the source of this quote." So what about this line? Anyone knows the source? If not, it will be deleted. Tracyn 10:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • How can it hardly not be in bloodlines, what would be best do is look in the history see who added it and ask them not delete things. Jedi Dude 10:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It can hardly be in Bloodlines, because Fett can hardly talk to Nom Anor, there? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Nom Anor in any case appear in Bloodlines? I know who added it, it was Wirelessmike, but he gave no source in the edit. So, could anyone who has read Bloodlines please tell if this line was in there? Tracyn 11:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Quentin, "irrelevant"?! Fett became Mandalorian when he became Mandalore; therefore, "Vhett" is his actual last name in Mando'a. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
          • I've removed the quote not only for the unsourced reason, but because the quote was added by a person who vandalized the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
            • That's fine, thanks. And to the topic of his "Mando'a name", my Bloodlines-source tells me following: ""Vhett is the Mando'a spelling of Fett because there is no F in the Mando alphabet - the F sound if a VH. Jess Harlin laid out the Mando alphabet (no X, Z, or F) so I stuck with it. In Bloodlines, Boba passes himself off as Vhett on his ID. The immigration control doesn't spot it as Fett. (There are Mandos with names with Zs and stuff in, but because they adopt, they are foreign names, and Z is often rendered as S, for example.) And Beviin calls him Bob'ika, which is the familiar diminutive, and Boba hasn't been called "little Boba" since he was a kid on Kamino and the Mando sergeants called him that. His name is Boba Fett. Period."" Tracyn 14:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
              • Still, as Mandalore, he is Mandalorian, meaning he has a Mandalorian version of his name. So, while his first name is unknown (likely "Bob", because of "Bob'ika"), the Mando'a version of his last name is "Vhett". And Quentin, before you start going "irrelevant" again, one's last name can mean "farmer". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                • He's been Mandalorian before he got Mandalore. Also, do you know of ANY other Mandalore that had a Mando'a version of his name?! They had titles, like "the Indomitable", or "the Ultimate" (or the Mando'a versions of this), but did you call the Mandalore that was Canderous Ordo "Mandalore Ordo"? No? So why should you call the Mandalore that is Boba, "Mandalore Bob'ika Vhett", or "Mandalore Vhett"? Although Karen Traviss has not yet replied on my question on this, I strongly suppose that the Concord Dawn accent has, unlike Mando'a, the letters "Z", "X" and "F" in it. And since "F" is, in Mando'a, replaced by "Vh", "Fett" already means "farmer", without the need of changing it again. Why should you call him "Vhett", when you can easily say "Fett". In Modern Mando'a, all Mandalorians are able to speak other languages, languages that include the missing letters "Z", "X" and "F". So why, in god's sake, should they take the nonsense of changing his name?! Also, "Bob" is no di'kutla Mando'a word! The diminutive suffix doesn't care if the full name is "Bob", "Boba", "Boberous" or "Bobamodalobanoga" - it's always "Bob'ika". And again, why should you translate (say: change) a name?!?! - Tracyn 14:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                  • Because other articles on Mandalores have the Mando'a version of the name. But, since I see I'm basically the only one who wants the Mando'a version of his name in the article, I guess I'm outnumbered. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 15:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                    • You're not alone. I also what the Mando'a name in the article. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 15:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                    • Yeah, well... we ONLY have Mando'a names for the Mandalores with titles (Mandalore the First, the Indomitable, the Ultimate and the Resurrector). But, not on Canderous, not on Jaster Mereel. And the reason is simple: they have, apart from the titel "Mand'alor", no specific title. Just as with Boba. You won't start adding the "names" "Cand'ika Ordho" and "Jast'ika Mherehl" to their articles, or will you? I think you misunderstand something, here... names are not translated. Titles can be, but not names. Or do you want me to call you "Shaun Nheb'ulax", now? Fett knows that the Mando'a version of his surname would be "Vhett", but NO ONE calls him like that. Period. Tracyn 15:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                      • I see no good reason why we can't have "Vhett" in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                        • You are completely free to add it to the BtS-section or somewhere where else where it fits in the article. But not at the top, because and explanation for this is definitely needed. ~ Tracyn 20:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                        • As has been (rather patiently) explained to you Jack, the others have translations of their titles. The Mandalores with actual names, ie Boba, Jango, Jaster, Canderous and Ung Kusp don't. You don't translate someone's actual name. It's why even in English articles the King of Spain is "Juan Carlos", not "John Charles". QuentinGeorge 20:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                          • Tracyn, this is not "Behind the scenes" section information. And Quentin, Fett knows that his last name in Mando'a is "Vhett". Give me one good reason why we can't have it in the article, and I'll drop it. And don't give me that "we don't need the translation" nonsense. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
                            • The reason I added the "My word is my bond, and you lied to me." quote was because it shows Boba distrusting nature and it is in "A Practical Man" because Fett is thinking this to himself as he is sealing the deal with Nom Anor for the fate of Mandalore. Also the article was not INTENTIONALLY vandalized. I apologize for that and any inconvenience this may have caused for anyone--Wirelessmike 16:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
                              • "Also the article was not INTENTIONALLY vandalized." - Oh, really?! Tell me about it.... and what's happened HERE, then?! ~ Tracyn 17:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Hey Tracyn! Cool down dude! Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 19:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I just quoted him, and he vandalized this talk page, after all. (If you looked in the history...) ~ Tracyn 19:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Boba Fett is the name we all know him by so lets put his Mando'a name in the BTS section. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 20:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Aye, that's a word, Jaina. It's 3:2 now, Jack... :P^^ ~ Tracyn 20:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
How did you do that, never mind, well maybe we should have kept it the way it was, whoever put that name there. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 20:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Answer things so quickly. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 20:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I've come up with a possible solution on the page. Let me know what you think. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 20:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Jack, it's not his name, and never was, and never will be. It's already on the Clan Fett page as a possible linguistic origin for the name Fett, and that's enough. But it is not Boba's name so it shouldn't be on his page. 20:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Quentin, having the Mando'a translation of his last name and its definition on the article is NOT hurting anything. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 20:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Yep. That's all because now Karen Traviss suddenly says that his name originated from Vhett. Another friend of mine told me, that in Bloodlines, he didn't use the name. No, the name "Boba Vhett" was even on his passport and his certificate of birth - and he used it for his bank account. HELLO? Boba's been around since the beginning. Since the 80's. And now, more than 20 Years later, and author tells us his name was actually "Vhett", not "Fett". I haven't read Bloodlines yet, and I really, really hope this is a misinformation from my friend. Still I think Quentin's point is very, very good. It's clan FETT, not clan VHETT. What's even more confusing why his passport states him as Vhett.... ~ Tracyn 20:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Whether it's hurting anything is not the issue. It's irrelevant information here, since it has no bearing on Boba Fett. As I've said, Vhett is on too pages, the Mando'a page and the Clan Fett pages, where it has some bearing on the subject. Here it is irrelevant. It's not his name, and never was. 20:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Guys, this is going to turn into an edit war if we aren't carefull. I'd like to suggest a compromise whereby somewhere in the article we say something like, "A possible root of the name Fett, Vhett, means "farmer" in Mando'a". What about that? - Angel Blue 451 20:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • That's a phrase that belongs on the Clan Fett page, as I've said, not here, since it applies to all Fetts (Jango and Cassus). QuentinGeorge 20:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd like to suggest someone mails Karen Traviss (she's brought Vhett into account) and asks her about it. Also, whether Fett is the Concord Dawn accent for Fett, say that Concord Dawn accent uses the "F", unlike Mando'a itself does. I'd do it myself, but Karen's ignored one of my mails already. ~ Tracyn 21:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It could go there. Besides Boba doesn't even know the language himself and doesn't speak it. P.S that's not a good idea, Traviss doesn't really like this site too much as I read on Sentry's page. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 21:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Do you know who?, I read that someone on this site made a comment on Traviss' writing. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 21:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh... OH! That could possibly the reason I got no answer... and all of that after Xsilent and I took so much care for the Mando'a page... ~ Tracyn 21:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't know who, but I wish I did, because I'd make them go straight to Traviss and apologize. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
          • I know she had some (lots of) issues with TFN useres, what made her leave their board... but even wiki? That's really, really, sad, 'cause she's been such a (fan-)caring author... ~ Tracyn 21:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • She is, I wish I knew who said it. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 21:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Stormtrooper

Dark Empire II explicitly states that he was a stormtrooper that murdered his CO. What are the sources that make this in question? I'm assuming there's something that contradicts this, otherwise this article should state it as fact. Kuralyov 02:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't remember it explicitly stating he was a stormtrooper. Wasn't it just someone who was speaking to Fett saying that he had heard Fett was a Stormtrooper who had murdered his commanding officer? Fett never really acknowledged what the guy said as truth or not. Wasn't this on Nar Shadda or something like that? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 03:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It was the Imperial Executor saying that he had read Fett's file. Kuralyov 03:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It should be noted then, giving the caveat "According to Imperial records..." QuentinGeorge 07:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Just like the thing about Fett being Jaster Mereel, this is false. Fett allowed such rumors about his past to spread. Besides, I don't remember anything explicitly stating he was a stormtrooper, just a law-enforcement officer on Concord Down.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 18:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Like I said above, I just noted where it was said, and asked if anyone could state any actual sources that contradicted it. Kuralyov 21:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It's entirely possible that the Executor was lying about the records, or that the file contained unconfirmed speculation about Fett's identity. Havac 22:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
        • But still: is there any source that backs that up? Otherwise that is just speculation on our part. Kuralyov 01:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Journeyman Protector of Concord Dawn

  • According to the succession box Boba Fett became the Journeyman Protector of Concord Dawn in 12 BBY, yet the article itself states that this was only a rumor. This was once accepted as canon, but has been retconned. I believe it is stated this rumor was cause by people confusing Boba Fett for Jaster Mereel, who did hold this position albeit much earlier.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 01:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I thought part of the retcon was that Boba was a Journeyman Proctector, but during that time used Jaster Mereel's name as an alias and as a way to honor his father's mentor. This is why Boba Fett has a Journeyman Protector's honor sash under his ammo belt. That way the story in Tales of the Bounty Hunters wasn't tossed out the window and still could be used as it was written. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Its not that it isn't possible that he was Journeyman Protector. The article and some of the newer sources state that it was a rumor. It just shouldn't be in the succession box if its unconfirmed.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 02:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • The succession box for it should be removed for a far more pertinent reason - Journeyman Protector was not a unique position, since both Jaster and Boba were exiled for killing *another* Journeyman. This was my mistake, and since I added the boxes for that, I'll remove them now. QuentinGeorge 11:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • You were right, Jack. Bloodlines does say he was a Journeyman Protector. I added the info to the article.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 20:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarlacc scars

  • On page 123 of Bloodlines, one paragraph is Fett's thoughts about the appearance of his own face. The first sentence in the next paragraph is "Even the scars from the time he escaped the Sarlacc's acid gut weren't that conspicuous now." I'm trying to figure out if this is still referring to his face, as this would mean the scars did indeed extend to his face.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 20:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Maybe it did but according to the description the sarlacc scars weren't even noticeable. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff20px 20:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Not after several decades.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 04:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

lines issues

Yes, it was vandalized by my computers filter that i have no control over! i only wanted to add a very viable quote however my computer edited out "sexes" and i've noticed it does that to the phrase "killing them" too! I'm sorry Tracyn but i was only trying to help. If you don't believe me, my talk page has a discussion between myself and Ozzel about the very same filter.--Wirelessmike 01:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Reunited?

"During this time, Fett reunited with his granddaughter—Vel's daughter Mirta Gev..."

When had they met before?--Darth OblivionComlink20px 20:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Bloodlines age inconsistancy

In Bloodlines, Fett states that he was 13, when his father was killed. This doesn't seem possible if he was born in 31 BBY.--Darth OblivionComlink20px 01:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Jaster Mereel

Is Boba Fett using Jaster's name as an alias definitely canon?--Darth OblivionComlink20px 20:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

He's gonna DIE!

If he only has a year to live, he should be dead by LOTF Book 4...{{SUBST:User:Boba Fett:Motorcycle Cop/sig}} 22:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah...and? -- SFH 22:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This not the place for such things I'm afraid. Jaina SoloGoddess Stuff 22:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Pointless to say, but if you read it properly he is trying to cheat death, somethin hes good at so he may have longer. Don't assume anything Jedi Dude 22:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Exactly. Who knows, he might live to be 100. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
        • WHAT, Boba Fett will die of course, but of old age, he can never of anything but that, how could anyone assume Boba Fett will die,one of the absolute, without a doubt greatest ever in star wars. He of course will not die unless George or anyone else wants to screw up even further (if possible) after the creation of episode three, and make Boba die. NO WAY WILL HE DIE FOOL!
  • If I have to keep all my "opinions" off the talk pages then how come he gets to assume with his oppinion that Boba will die? THATS an opinion, and a wrong one at that, I didnt make it up.
  • An opinion, by definition, cannot be wrong. An assertion can be wrong. A statement can be incorrect. An opinion may even be misinformed. But it cannot be wrong. - Angel Blue 451(Holonet)20px 23:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Main quote

I'm taking a chance. I find this quote to work well as the main toping quote:

"Curse Fett! He thinks he's real smart."
"He is smart Bossk. That's why he's the best"
―Bossk and Zuckuss

-- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) GrappasTattoo-CrimsonEmpireII 22:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Hey, thats a great quote, where did you get it, people should put that in for a the article.
  • It certainly needs to be used, your actually right for ONCE Nebulax.
  • Riiiight, Riiiight,(SARCASM) what ever, just dont block me again. But really, this shows that even other bounty hunters know he is the best, what does vader know "of the hunt"
  • HA, very funny, Very wrong
  • This quote must be used, it even shows that..., well I already said it to you, no use in saying it twice.
  • Oh really thanks, BOBA RULES, and your are wiithout a doubt wrong, indeed you are sir, do not question me or I will use my Imperial Star Destroyer on you and you will -500 health points upon a successful role of +20 + 20 a role of main hand weapon + 100 I own you=YOU LOSE AGAIN
  • Umm let me think, No Im sorry, I was joking Admiral, your not going to inform Lord Vader are you? Please dont, he killed captian Needa, Im afraid Im next.
  • For what?
  • Alright Im sorry, but atleast it interesting, I mean people will read this and be like "WHAT" at least thats somthing, Im sorry, dont report me, I said Im sorry!
    • I'll let it go this time. But if you do it again, I'll definitely have the administrators give you a block, even if it's just a short one. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't want people to say "What?", all I wanted was a simple nice thing stating if the quote was good. DON"T DO THIS AGAIN -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) GrappasTattoo-CrimsonEmpireII 00:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)