Forum:TC:Unidentified clone lieutenant

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was No consensus. 1358 (Talk) 17:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Unidentified clone lieutenant (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)

Delete

  1. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  2. If he isn't notable, then yeah. Ramsay Sanders (talk) 17:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  3. However many other sources this character is pictured or mentioned in, it's still just a clone lieutenant executing Order 66 alongside Neyo. OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 17:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  4. His plot role isn't unique to him, as it also applies to Neyo. We do have the information that he is a lieutenant and not just any clone trooper, however i don't think that should be a sufficient reason for notability. Janomoogo (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  5. Erebus Chronus (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  6. The clone being a lieutenant is not unique to this individual as the source (Helmet Collection 33) establishes that he was 'one of Neyo's lieutenants.' Being a wingman is not really that notable when you don't have a significant plot role or any dialogue Lewisr (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  7. Per the above. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:19, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Per the notability policy, the character covered by the article plays a significant plot role. Additionally, the individual is pictured in many different sources, and has new and unique information relevant to them, including how they accompanied CC-8826 in a routine patrol, is a Clone Lieutenant, and from the film, participated in the execution of Order 66 alongside CC-8826. Dialogue is not the only parameter by which a character is judged to be notable. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • FWIW being pictured in numerous sources isn't an argument at all to keep a subject. Many subjects with no established info outside being just movie extras are similarly pictured in numerous sources. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  2. Definite keep. Card Trader specifically refers to him as Neyo's wingman. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 17:51, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Which doesn't make him any more notable than this subject of deletion. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:46, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Contrary to that, this subject appears in multiple sources and additionally has a significant plot role, being the other trooper who killed Allie during Order 66. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  3. Important plot role and specifically featured in multiple sources. VergenceScatter (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  4. Because other sources provide new details--Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  5. Per the above. CanePlayz (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  6. Per above. - AV-6R7 (talk) 18:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  7. Per the above. - DFaceG (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  8. Definitely a strong case for keep. The fact that Hanzo didn't bother to present his own case for deletion makes even weaker this TC. Winterz (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  9. I think the fact that there is information that is specific to his character is enough to warrant keeping the article. Wok142 (talk) 23:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  10. Notable role and included in multiple sources. Immora (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  11. Agreed. Corellian PremierRogue SquadronMTFBWY 03:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  12. While there are arguments to be made for both sides, I say keep. JediMasterMacaroniAdmiral Ackbar RH(Conversation) 04:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments

  • Subject doesn't have any lines, nor any particular other notability in his scene. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Dialogue is not the only metric for notability. The character is featured in other sources, which additionally features new information about the character, and plays a significant plot role. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:51, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
      • The lack of dialogue isn't the only reason to cut the article, and likewise all the new established info isn't too much more notability. For reference, Tope had me undo my TC for this article for a character with no lines, because of the fact he's directly firing the Death Star's superlaser during the Battle of Endor, and likewise some SWG card game-created Jedi during the Galactic Civil War were similarly considered notable enough to keep as Jedi active during the reign of the Empire. The examples in question have greater significance than anything done by this clone in canon. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Similar to how that article's character had a significant plot role in the material he appeared in, this clone trooper has a significant plot role because he was one of two people who killed Stass Allie. The new established info (including him being a lieutenant to Neyo, serving as his specific wingmate, and is exclusive to this character. Additionally, unlike the article you referenced, this article has multiple sources, which is a hallmark for notability. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • If the article is kept (which I voted for), much of it is essentially boilerplate about any GAR clone rather than specific to this clone, perhaps for lack of unique things to say. I think that's common for unidentified clone articles, but may be worth considering some trims? Immora (talk) 23:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • What kind of commonality are you referring to? There is unique information to this clone as stated above by several, but there's also bound to be commonality, such as personality and traits and early biography. This article should include everything that is relevant, which I believe it does, unless there's more information from other sources. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
      • I see your point! Consider my suggestion withdrawn. Immora (talk) 05:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)