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Unidentified Imperial officer (Avenger)/Canon (history - links - logs - delete - protect)
Not seeing any notability here - all he does is affirm Needa's order. The JN describes him as Needa's first officer, but I don't see how that makes this a noteworthy individual.
Delete
- JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 20:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Samonic
(Talk) 20:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC) - Imperators II(Talk) 20:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Lewisr (talk) 21:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ah well. OOM 224 22:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Asithol (talk) 14:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Keep
- I know I may be in the minority here, but being described as X's first officer makes it notable to me. ThrawnChiss7 (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- A rank of significance make this notable, if it was a random officer I'd agree but we have definitive confirmation they were a first officer Manoof (he/him/his)
22:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC) - Per above. Rsand 30 (talk) 22:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Based on precedence with what I interpret as similar roles in the past. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Definite indication of the rank makes this one notable, aye Fan26 (Talk) 16:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- JMAS
Hey, it's me! 15:04, 22 December 2022 (UTC) - Per everything above.Jaster Fett (talk) 03:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Winterz (talk) 15:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- Does the Legends variant also fall under lack of notability? The junior novel in Legends calling him first officer is pretty much the only distinguishing element. Outside of that, in Legends, pretty much the only thing of note is that in the Marvel comic he also has the line "we're going to collide" which is given to Nemet in the original novel, and Needa in the storybook. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I would also bring this as precedent for keeping articles of similar notability, with characters having some important role in a location (Unidentified Death Star trooper is the article's current name and thus why there's a redlink, for reference). Notably, with that very article in question, this also happened, when a previous admin had privately messaged me, considering the article to be notable enough when I was in the process of creating a TC. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Firing a Death Star superlaser is in no way similar to standing next to someone and saying yes sir basically, this character doesn't have an important role as you say Lewisr (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Even with the role of first officer? In any case, if consensus is that doesn't constitute notability, a TC for the Legends article to be done, and maybe the longest article length for a deletion. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Firing a Death Star superlaser is in no way similar to standing next to someone and saying yes sir basically, this character doesn't have an important role as you say Lewisr (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I would also bring this as precedent for keeping articles of similar notability, with characters having some important role in a location (Unidentified Death Star trooper is the article's current name and thus why there's a redlink, for reference). Notably, with that very article in question, this also happened, when a previous admin had privately messaged me, considering the article to be notable enough when I was in the process of creating a TC. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- So what sort of rank is notable? Loqiical (talk) 08:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- In this case, first officer isn't a rank, but a specific function. Having a senior function like that on a Star Destroyer that meets notability guidelines, under a captain who has definite notability, is what I interpret as making one notable. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused. Is function referring to function in the storyline or? Loqiical (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Being a character with an important IU role serving on a ship of OOU notability. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused. Is function referring to function in the storyline or? Loqiical (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- In this case, first officer isn't a rank, but a specific function. Having a senior function like that on a Star Destroyer that meets notability guidelines, under a captain who has definite notability, is what I interpret as making one notable. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)