Forum:TC:Unidentified 2-1B surgical droid (Jabba's Palace)

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was No consensus. Imperators II^(Talk) 11:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Unidentified 2-1B surgical droid (Jabba's Palace) (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

Nothing notable about this droid at all that wouldn't be better off being added to the 2-1B surgical droid page. Not added the Legends page because I have no clue if the other sources listed add anything to potential notability Lewisr (talk) 05:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Delete

1. Lewisr (talk) 05:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
2. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 05:54, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
3. —spookywilloww^talk 05:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   Manoof (he/him/his) 06:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

4. Loqiical (talk) 08:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
5. Imperators II^(Talk) 11:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
6. Rsand 30 (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
7. Chipchip88 (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
8. OOM 224 22:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
9. Asithol (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Keep

1. This is one of the droids that showed us they could feel pain! I've added a couple of missing appearances, along with the scant details provided in a couple of the adaptations. Immi Thrax (she/her) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   I don't really see how this makes the droid notable though. If it had been a very rare occurance then I might have understood. B1's for example are shown to be able to feel pain all throughout TCW etc, plus the gonk droid in the very same scene as this droid Lewisr (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   Ah, but TCW came 25 years after this droid and the gonk droid--not the case in 1983! And Threepio previously did not show pain when he was in pieces in TESB. This wasn't a blink-and-miss-it moment, either. Immi Thrax (she/her) 21:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

   Fair :P but even still, the fact that C-3PO didn't show pain, didn't necessarily mean droids couldn't feel it Lewisr (talk) 21:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

   But 3PO does show the ability to experience pain in TESB: he yells "ouch!" when Chewbacca bangs him into the Falcon's hull above the boarding ramp. Droids experiencing pain is nothing unique to this 2-1B. Asithol (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

   Thanks for correcting me on that, well there you go, it was nothing new then and therefore reduces any kind of notability further Lewisr (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

   Technically the Unidentified GNK power droid (Jabba's Palace) also shows pain, and it's in the same scene so it's not that rare. Rsand 30 (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

2. Yeah, it's actually focused on enough in the film that i'd argue 'tis notable Fan26 (Talk) 16:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
3. Samonic ^(Talk) 18:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
4. I'll link to a spoiler that explains my vote Editoronthewiki (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   That's pretty speculative to say right now, plus future potential notability doesn't make notability now, as exampled here Lewisr (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   Precedence doesn't make it better, I honestly think we shouldn't delete articles until after the release, given a TC is required with enough votes to overturn a previous decision, it makes it much harder to resurrect a TC'd subject than it is to TC it in the first place, Wampa cave for example and that was years after the previous vote. Imagine deleting a subject who then features prominently in the comic but we can't get the votes to recreate the article, which is an entirely realistic outcome! Manoof (he/him/his) 04:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

5. SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 21:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
6. Per Immi VergenceScatter (talk) 17:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
7. This is definitely notable. Corellian Premier^MTFBWY 21:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
8. Definitely notable enough to be worth notingJaster Fett (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
9. Per Immi. NBDani (they/them)^{Yeager's Repairs} 03:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
10. JMM (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
11. Per Immi and the upcoming comic means we shouldn't delete if they do feature, it will be much harder to resurrect a TC'd subject than to not delete it in the first place. Manoof (he/him/his) 04:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

    Then what happens if the comic comes out and it's not even the same character, or it doesn't actually have a notable role? At that point you've effectively misled the vote by pinning your hopes on something that never happened Lewisr (talk) 04:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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