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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 15:44, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Pillow (talk - history - links - logs)

Hi! Let me just make it clear that I'm not trying to reopen the discussion on whether or not we should have articles on real-world things like chair, window, etc. That discussion is a long-dead one, but the generally-accepted result is that real-world objects deserve an article if they serve some sort of unique function in the SW Universe. eg, chairs can be Mechno-chairs, eyes can shoot lasers, etc. I don't believe that pillow meets that criteria. This is currently the entirety of the article:

"A pillow was an item similar to a cushion that was used to rest an individual's head upon when lying down, either to sleep or to rest."

That's exactly what a pillow is in real life, too. Unless someone can find something uniquely Star Wars about it, I think it should go. Menkooroo (talk) 18:52, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Voting

Delete

  1. Menkooroo (talk) 18:52, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I don't see any need to sleep on this one. —MJ— War Room Friday, July 27, 2012, 21:24 UTC
    I am maintaining this vote as is. Even with the recent improvements, literally the only thing unique about IU pillows is that some were made out of gort feathers. That alone is not sufficient for me to consider it notable enough for an article. The psychometry thing is a Force power unrelated to pillows that just happened to involve one in this specific instance, and the explosion of the appearances list does absolutely nothing to establish notability by way of uniqueness, which is what actually counts. And I just don't see notability here. —MJ— Comlink Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 01:00 UTC
    In the entire history of the galaxy, the single most comfortable chair ever designed was a type of pillow. If that's not notably unique, I don't know what is. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 14:19, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
  3. yeah, this seems like a pretty generic article that doesn't need to be here. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 21:26, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
    Pillows were in KOTOR. Who wrote this? They're right there on the bed in the ship. On the beds in the vision cutscene at the beginning. WHO? NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 21:36, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
    HAHA no. Not unless someone can suddenly show me where it says that certain pillows come alive and eat people at night.—Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 21:39, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
    Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 21:46, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
    501st dogma(talk) 21:48, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Technically a pillow also counts as a weapon, but if we don't have an article for pillow fight, we don't need this one either. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 01:27, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  5. zomg but it's unique because someone special used a pillow! ugh. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 01:29, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  6. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 01:35, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
    I use a special pillow! CC7567 (talk) 02:03, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
    Per Cal and Tranner. Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 02:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  7. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 02:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  8. —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 20:37, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
  9. JangFett (Talk) 03:58, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Nobody in the real world ever got a psychometric imprint from a pillow, and I've never heard of gort feathers. And I'm not done yet, this is just what I could squeeze in before I decided to go to sleep. This kind of article only needs to die if nothing interesting can be found. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 04:13, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
    • Isn't the psychometric imprint thing an ability? Unique to a user and not to the pillow? Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:21, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
      • It's an interesting bit of history that uniquely involves a pillow. And there's more now anyway.   :P   -- Darth Culator (Talk) 03:39, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Culator edit conflicted my changes, but good to see someone else giving this article some love. I say keep. --Eyrezer (talk) 04:20, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Percolator. jSarek (talk) 09:58, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Hey, I helped, too! Trak Nar Ramble on 10:01, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
    Is there a reason why this article has to be deleted? Content is sourced and verifiable. --$ Ashtree $ (Talk) 12:47, July 28, 2012 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: Fails productivity requirement -- —MJ— Holocomm Saturday, July 28, 2012, 18:22 UTC)
    As per 'Ashtree', I don't understand why a perfectly good article has to be deleted when the subject matter covers a canon portion of the SW universe (A small portion granted) If we delete this article then we are picking and choosing the elements of the SW universe that we want to showcase. That is not right, as per policy of the site. There are a whole lot of other articles on this wiki that had less effect on the SW canon than a pillow, do we delete them as well? --$ Jacensolo148 $ (Talk) 12:59, July 28, 2012 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: Fails productivity requirement -- —MJ— Holocomm Saturday, July 28, 2012, 18:22 UTC)
  5. Agreed. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 13:37, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Per Darth Culator. Adamwankenobi (talk) 13:47, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
    I as a new user very much enjoyed reading this article, it was well written and had all of it's sources in line. Blahasupreme (talk) 13:54, July 28, 2012 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: User has 0 main namespace edits. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 14:11, July 28, 2012 (UTC))
  7. Per Culator. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 13:56, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Entirely per Culator. --LelalMekha (talk) 14:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Sorry, that's not really a valid reason to delete Enochf (talk) 15:47, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
  10. I'd like to call this a no-brainer, but common sense seems to be a lost art these days. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 13:58, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I, personally, am one of those people who hate to change their vote. So, I'm not doing this flippantly. However, thanks to Culator and others who have helped the article, I'm convinced that it is necessary.—Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:17, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Do you think it needs a "See Also" to dirty pillows? DD97Which bear is best? 17:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Says pillows were in KOTOR. There we go. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 20:17, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Where is the Aayla Secura that we were promised? Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 20:27, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
  15. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:12, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Per Cal.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:15, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Per Darth Culator Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:45, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
  18. CC7567 (talk) 02:29, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
  19. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 03:48, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Bella'Mia (talk) 03:54, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
  21. 1358 (Talk) 09:01, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Cumulonimbus Cloud (ℳeeting ℛoom) 15:52, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Swayed by everybody's arguements. 501st dogma(talk) 15:55, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Jartka'irn (talk) 13:14, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

I'm almost positive the word pillow has been mentioned specifically in a book or something.WIERDGREENMAN (talk) 05:09, August 9, 2012 (UTC)