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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete (canon article only). Tommy-Macaroni 19:02, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

Explosive decompression

Nominating both of our "Explosive decompression" articles for deletion on the grounds that they are dictionary articles. The definition and meaning of what explosive decompression is doesn't change in the Star Wars universe. The Canon article is extensively well researched and detailed, but it doesn't change the fact that there is no in-universe uniqueness here other than this concept takes place within the setting of Star Wars. It thus becomes trivial for us to host an article monotonously listing every time explosive decompression takes place. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:53, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

  • In accordance with the discussion below, I've revised the vote to remove the Legends article from the proposal. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:02, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:53, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  2. --Lewisr (talk) 18:53, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  3. 1358 (Talk) 19:05, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  4. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 19:35, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
    OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 19:35, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Per Toprawa's counterargument. CIS roundel Erebus Chronus (talk) 19:48, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Tommy-Macaroni 19:55, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
    --Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:00, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  7. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:00, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  8. Zed42 (talk) 20:02, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  9. 01miki10 Open comlink 20:15, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  10. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:19, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  11. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:48, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  12. Supreme Emperor (talk) 20:56, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
  13. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:26, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  14. VergenceScatter (talk) 03:19, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  15. While Ratts' counterargument is well-thought-out, it's still not enough for me to want yet another article on a real-world definition sitting in several maintenance categories when they can just search for this on Wikipedia instead. As Toprawa states, even the decently researched canon article is merely a list of instances. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 04:48, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  16. Per Toprawa. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 05:07, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  17. Per Tope on above and below--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:01, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  18. TK-462 (talk) 13:03, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
  19. Fan26 (Talk) 14:20, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

Keep

  1. While the function of explosive decompression in Star Wars is more or less the same to its real life equivalent (ignoring, for a moment, the fact that it occurs in hyperspace), I feel its prevalence in the galaxy makes it noteworthy. In our world, decompression is a phenomenon that is rather uncommon, only experienced in mostly aviation accidents. In Star Wars, however, explosive decompression is more akin to an occupational hazard. It's common enough that people in the galaxy have developed technology like blast doors and shields to specifically prevent it, which we don't have. They use it as an execution method and battle tactic, or just to take out the trash. Its lack of uniqueness in the galaxy is what makes it notable, in my eyes. I will agree, however, that the page need not list every occurrence of decompression, and instead should give an overview of the different applications it has in Star Wars. RattsT (talk) 20:18, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
    In the same vein, explosive decompression doesn't happen in hyperspace in the real world. As said in Lost Tribe of the Sith: Precipice "The physics in hyperspace were unpredictable by definition; instead of exploding outward, the breached deck simply left the ship in a seismic tug." The same cannot be said for our reality. In canon, ships tore themselves apart when overstressed, "whether from taking too much damage in a firefight or, as here, just being asked to perform a maneuver that was more than it could give." (The High Republic: Light of the Jedi) Furthermore, Hedda Casset, a starfighter pilot and heavy cruiser commander with thirty-plus years in military service, is familiar with explosive decompression: "The vibrations of the ship's passage through space took on a new timbre Hedda had felt too many times before […] It [the ship] had seconds to live, at most." All this certainly gives explosive decompression notability in its application in the Star Wars galaxy, if not in-universe uniqueness. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 04:27, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
    • I concede that there is in-universe uniqueness to the concept of explosive decompression in Legends, since as the source says, the in-universe physics demonstrate a quality that does not exist in the real world. That is the definition of in-universe uniqueness. But nothing in anything you've quoted here demonstrates the same uniqueness in Canon. Unlike in Legends, explosive decompression does happen in hyperspace in Canon without demonstrated exception, which is well established in the course of that article. But nothing inherent to explosive decompression itself changes in that instance. If anything, that's unique to hyperspace, which itself does not exist in the real world. And a starship officer being aware that decompression happens to starships in space is no different than a real-world astronaut being aware that explosive decompression happens to the space shuttle in real-world space. This is not in-universe uniqueness. The Canon article still deserves to be deleted. I've revised the vote to accommodate this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:02, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
    Per all of the above. —Tomotron Revanchist Sith (Star Forge) 04:28, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
    Per above. Thank you for looking into this.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:30, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
    Per above. TK-462 (talk) 04:49, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

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