Forum:CT:LG and MOS Quotes update

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The result of the debate was Support proposal. 1358 ^(Talk) 14:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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Forum:SH:LG and MOS Quotes update has now been up for roughly a week and there seems to be no further feedback at this time.

Echoing the sentiments in Forum:SH:Reference support in Quote template and Forum:CT:Layout Guide restructuring, parts of the Layout Guide (LG) and Manual of Style (MOS) are in dire need of rewriting. The MOS has a section that defines quotes (both in-text and templates) and formatting rules, while the LG section covers not only the placement, but also has some overlap with the current MOS. As well as paving way for reference support in quotes, this proposed update will also encompass some restructuring, updating obsolete rules, and codifying existing practice.

• What's New
  • References for sourcing quotes: this is now codified in the MOS and in the examples that are used in the LG and MOS.
  • Audio files: in this 2019 CT, I pointed out that quote audio is actually not covered anywhere in our policies. It's time to add this to the LG. You'll find that the proposed text reads "may be included", so audio will not be mandated in the future either.
  • Double hyphens: in accordance with the dash policy, double hyphens are to be replaced with emdashes.
  • No full stops in quote attributions: codifying de facto practice that appears to not be noted anywhere.
• What's Gone
  • Paragraph-long quotes: I don't think many realize this, but the current MOS allows paragraph-long quotations to be placed in blockquotes in the middle of sections. It also specifies that these quotes be sourced down to pages. For an example, see Canon. I think quote templates do the job just fine and if you feel the need to have quotes in the middle of a section, just subsection further.
• What's Updated
  • Capitalization of Human: current policy says to capitalize Human (or add sic) but this should only apply to Legends.
  • Emphasis: clarified that emphasis in quote templates is achieved by removing italics.
  • Quotes vs Quotations: the policy uses these terms interchangeably, so I've just gone with Quotes.
  • Examples: examples of quotes have been updated

Here are the proposed revisions:

• Proposed Layout Guide Quotes section (diff)
• Proposed Manual of Style Quotes section (diff)

1358 ^(Talk) 14:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Support

1. 1358 ^(Talk) 14:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
2. Imperators II^(Talk) 14:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
3. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 14:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
4. NBDani (talk) 15:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
5. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
6. 01miki10 ^{Open comlink} 15:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
7. OOM 224 16:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
8. —spookywilloww^talk 16:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
9. Lewisr (talk) 17:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
10. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 17:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
11. Fan26 (Talk) 19:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
12. Rsand 30 (talk) 20:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
13. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
14. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
15. IFYLOFD ^(Talk) 03:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
16. MasterFred(talk) (he/him) 03:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
17. UberSoldat93 (talk) 03:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
18. LucaRoR ^(Talk) 04:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
19. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 05:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
20. VergenceScatter (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
21. --Vitus Infinitus^Talk 14:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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