This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made in the Senate Hall or new Consensus track pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was Vote 1: Support proposal; Vote 2: No consensus. Imperators II(Talk) 09:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Following the positive response in this Senate Hall thread, it's time to put this idea up for a CT. I am proposing that we had parameters for family members to the following infoboxes: {{Character}} {{Deity}}, {{Musician}}, and {{Pet}}. These would go at the bottom of the biographical information sections (One would have to be added for the Deity infobox), and would include the following parameters:
|parents=
|spouses=
|siblings=
|children=
Haven't been able to get a visual version of this ready to go unfortunately. My reasoning for including this is that family relationships are highly relevant information to many characters, more so than the master and apprentice fields that are already listed. This is the sort of information I think many of our readers will benefit from being able to easily access in the infobox rather than needing to scroll through a whole article. Commander Code-8Hello There! 13:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Changed my mind. Family and politics should be separate sections. But it should be named "Family information" over familial. - JMASHey, it's me! 21:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
I realize this one looks better organized. UberSoldat93 (talk) 04:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Not really a big deal, but I'd like them better in parenthetical plural form (Spouse(s) etc.) similar to Affiliation(s). Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
In the SH thread I did mention expanding this to include grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles, and other extended family, but I think we should stick with the most straightforward relationships and expand from there if we feel those would be worth including. Commander Code-8Hello There! 13:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I quite like this idea, especially as opposed to having a single family members parameter that can get unnecessarily cluttered. My only gripe about it is adding them to "Biographical information" as I feel like most of the Descriptive information—Species, Gender, and Pronouns in particular—are more essential and therefore should be placed above the family paremeters. Perhaps listing them in their own section (like "Familial information" etc.) would be more appropiate, in my opinion. Not that we should follow the same format, but Wikipedia infoboxes also list family members beneath most of other information. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Maybe it could go under "Chronological and political information", which would be renamed accordingly? Since the eras were removed, there hasn't been any chronological information there anyway, and masters and apprentices aren't really political information. 01miki10Open comlink 13:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I see Anil's point, I think out of those options I'd go with the new section one. Might add voting options for those tomorrow. Commander Code-8Hello There! 15:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Agreed with putting it in "Chronological and political information" and renaming that to "Familial and political information" (or a better alternative, if anyone's got any suggestions) so that the family fields would go above affiliations and masters/apprentices. OOM224 (he/him) 17:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I also think that's a good placement. Rsand 30 (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Added the new options in, anyone else please feel free to add any other ideas. Commander Code-8Hello There! 10:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding both this and infoboxes in general, maybe we need to reconsider the use of bullets. Here when some individuals may be bulleted (multiple in a field) and others are not, some disharmony arises in the formatting. Loqiical (talk) 12:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Bullets are foregone if there's only one item in the field. UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes, but I'm asking if there are any opinions on removing bullets for multiple items as well. Loqiical (talk) 02:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
As I stated in my vote above, I think "Family and political information" sounds much better than familial. - JMASHey, it's me! 20:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
It does sound nicer, I have to say OOM224 (he/him) 20:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
I support this. It'd be very good for families to be added. Though could I propose that siblings go under parents and above spouses instead? - Noash Retrac (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Replaced Familial with Family based on what seems to be an unopposed idea. Can definitely see the logic in placing siblings first, though I feel like spouses are often more relevant to siblings in an individual's life. Commander Code-8Hello There! 10:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
I forgot to ask. How do we go about former spouse(s) and stepparent relationship. Do we list them all but with the caption template? Bonzane10 (holonet) 23:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
They would be included too, using the {{C}} template to note those asterisk type details as we do with the master and apprentice fields. Commander Code-8Hello There! 22:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
I don't have strong feelings about it as I stated in my vote above, but I believe the new parameters should be formatted as Spouse(s) and Sibling(s) as there may only be one applicable entry for those much like Affiliation(s). Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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