Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/List of female individuals

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The result of the debate was no consensus. However, since absolutely all participants wanted the page deleted, this is what I'll do. I'll also add Category:Male individuals and Category:Female individuals, so if someone doesn't like them, they can nominate these categories for VFD. I'll also try to perform the categorization using Artoo. - Sikon 07:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC).

List of female individuals

There's been some discussion on the talk page already and I thought it should be put up for a vote. Basically a list of all females is very long and unfocused. If we keep it we should probably have a list of males too, or we can delete it and use a category for genders instead, or just delete it entirely.

Keep (and add a male equivalent)

Delete (but add categories for gender)

  1. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 10:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. Azizlight 11:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC). As for the gender categories, can we get Sikon's bot to do the categorizing? It's too massive a task to do manually.
  3. Imp 12:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  4. Artoo to the rescue! Havac 02:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  5. SURE why NOT?Ugluk: Destroyer of RedlinksWhine Here 02:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  6. Ozzel 03:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  7. I created the list in question because of talk with other fanfic authors who seemed to want such a reference. If you can look for characters by affiliation, species, era, etc., I didn't think a list based on such a catgorization would be a problem. I use the lists as jumping-off points to more detail about characters for a fanfic with whom I may not be that familiar, so however large a list/category might lend itself to being IMO only makes it all the more convenient and useful. Since I'm new here, however, I didn't want to presume to go through editing all the individual pages to add them to a new category - I opted for the less disruptive method of creating a list. I agree that a categories divided by gender would be easier to maintain - especially if a bot can set it up.--K-BOT 18:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  8. Per StarNeptune's comments below. - breathesgelatinTalk 05:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  9. Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 05:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  10. TopAce 10:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  11. Sithar 23:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  12. The categories are useless...but we may as well have them for completeness. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  13. Themelle444 15:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. Strong delete. I really can't see a category for gender being particularly useful, either. Any categorization scheme that (a) has to be applied to 95% of all characters, and (b) only divides them into two large groups (plus a third category populated mostly by Hutts) doesn't help organize the articles either. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  3. Delete per Silly Dan. jSarek 03:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  4. LtNOWIS 03:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  5. SentryTalk 09:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  6. Adding a category would be just as bad and I would personally not use it. Kuralyov 23:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  7. Sikon 18:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  8. Delete OMG this is the silliest thing on Wookieepedia ever... next to Ghorfa and Dac, that is. Will there be a list of hermaphrodites, like the Hutts? KEJ 13:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  9. Tinwe 13:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  10. Delete. Gender categories just make trouble in a galaxy where gender is (a) not always polar and (b) not always clear. I'd prefer to keep everything gender neutral. --SparqMan 14:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  11. Delete. Not a particularly useful criterion to categorize by. - Lord Hydronium 19:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
  12. --Eyrezer 22:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments

The amount of work involved in categorizing everbody was my big reservation, but if Artoo can do it, then I'll be happy to change my vote. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

  • How will Artoo know what gender they are if they're not already categorized by gender? jSarek 03:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
because no task is over that little guys head. Ugluk: Destroyer of RedlinksWhine Here 03:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, if Artoo cant and this vote goes through i will be willing to take it upon myself to categorize them all. Ugluk: Destroyer of RedlinksWhine Here 03:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I've never been a fan of piping both gender links to sexes. Were that not done so much, we could easily use the male and female redirects to categorize from there. Anyway, even if Artoo could categorize based on the gender listed in the infobox, I doubt he could make it so that they are added to the category on a lastname, firstname basis (but do correct me if I'm wrong). -- Ozzel 03:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd be willing to help categorize if Artoo can't do it. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 03:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  • has anything been decided yet? UglukWhine Here
    • I don't think consensus has been reached, but that may be mostly because I'm on the minority right now. —Silly Dan (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I just want to further explain why I'm not a fan of either this list or a categorization scheme which serves as a replacement. The Holocron continuity database is said to contain nearly 8000 characters. Let's imagine we had articles on 80% of them, and 80% of those articles were for characters known to be male or female (leaving out Hutts, droids programmed without complex personalities, minor characters which aren't specified, etc.) That's about 5000 articles we'd have to categorize: a long process, but one we could achieve with time. However, assuming the gender split is about 60/40 in favour of male characters, we'd have about 3000 entries in "Category:Male individuals" and 2000 in "Category:Female individuals", with no possibility of dividing them up any further (except maybe alphabetically.) The category would be too large to navigate easily, and would probably remain unused, since the entries in the categories would have little in common.

The alternative would be to make lists, but a list of two or three thousand characters would also be impossible to navigate, and even less likely to be updated. A list with a narrower theme, like List of Imperial women, List of twins, List of Imperial non-Humans, or a List of planets starting with "Ord", are small enough to be navigable and reasonably complete. A list of all female characters isn't. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Another alternative would be to split all the species categories by sex (eg. Category:Wookiee males and Category:Wookiee females) but I'm not sure I like this. --Azizlight 03:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)