Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Wishan

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Wishan

• Nominated by: Infectedzombieguy (talk) 21:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: Trying to get my first status article!
• WookieeProject (optional): WP:THR

(4 ACs/2 Users/6 Total)

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Support

1. YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) (talk) 20:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
2. Imperators II^(Talk) 12:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
3. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
4. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 15:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
5. Very nice work for your first nom! LucaRoR ^(Talk) 15:41, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
6. MasterFred(talk) 12:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Object

Erebus

• Welcome to the GAN: first off there are a few things I've noticed in a quick look over of the page:
  • The intro should have more info than it already has in it.
  • Please remove the references from the intro, as they do not use references per the sourcing policy
  • The first History paragraph is too large. Please split it into smaller paragraphs.
    • Made a copy-edit.
  • Please avoid the use of "this" on in-universe pages.
  • The last paragraph should have more info instead of it just being a single sentence.
  • In the BTS, since there is no Legends version of this character, there's no need to indicate that Star Wars: Jedi Temple Challenge is a canon subject.
  • I don't think you need to include the month and date in the BTS, either, just the year. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 21:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    • All fixed except for the one about the last paragraph. What is under 'Equipment' is all the information there is without speculating about everything. I could leave it as is or get rid of that section since it is only a sentence long. Thoughts? Infectedzombieguy (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
      • I was referring to the last Biography paragraph, the Equipment section is fine.
        • Thanks for the clarification. Your concern has been addressed. Infectedzombieguy (talk) 23:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Is the usage of "monster" at the end of the last sentence in Biography paragraph two your wording or the book's? If it's not used in the book, please remove it per WP:NPOV.
• Please be careful of underlinking. Ex. Jabe Rann and the Force should be linked in the Biography, but remove the link to Rann's page from the P&T section. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 22:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Both fixed. Infectedzombieguy (talk) 23:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Amazingly

• You don't need to state that he was mentioned again in The High Republic: The Rising Storm. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed Infectedzombieguy (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

UberSoldat

• The Layout Guide states that television episodes in the BTS need to provide a full air date. UberSoldat93 (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
  • It has been fixed Infectedzombieguy (talk) 12:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
• Gender is missing from body.
• Wishan's weight gain is a biographical detail, shouldn't just be in Personality and traits.
  • Needs to be written from the subject's perspective, mention the info when talking about this character, not when discussing the actions of another. UberSoldat93 (talk) 06:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Reworded things to fit your input. Thanks. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 08:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Still an issue. Mention that Wishan gained weight over the summer before talking about the sculpture, as this is Wishan's article. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
        • Switched things around so the weight gain is mentioned prior to talking about the sculpting. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 09:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
• With the way the body is structured, I'd rather you introduce the species in the Biography instead.
• Context for greater krayt dragon, Jabe Rann, and Valo. UberSoldat93 (talk) 11:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
  • All fixed except for placing his species under biography, I don't know how I would fit that in there without making sound awkward when reading it. Elaboration on that bullet point would be appreciated. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 04:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Here's one of countless examples of how it can be done. Also, you've sourced the everything before the mention of greater krayt dragon to Ultimate Star Wars. UberSoldat93 (talk) 06:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Thank you for the example. I have addressed the issue. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 08:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
        • Now that you've put it there, it can be removed from Personality and traits. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
          • Removed infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 09:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
            • Eye and skin color need to be in that section though. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
              • Fixed it. My bad. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 10:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
• Tatooine and Coruscant need context. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Context added. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 09:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Doesn't Ultimate Star Wars put Tatooine in the Outer Rim? Also, please cite the latest edition of USW, per precedent. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the reminder and for helping so much with this nomination. Fixed. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 10:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

OOM

• Welcome to the GAN! A few issues I found on an initial skim:
  • Watch out for infobox-exclusive information, which is information presented in the infobox that is absent from the article body; everything in the infobox, just like everything in images and the intro, should also be mentioned in the body.
  • I recommend moving the Biography image one paragraph down. Currently, it pushes a bit of the text into a tiny gap beside the infobox.
  • Image captions should have a full stop (period) at the end if it's a complete sentence.
  • Please fix the archiveurl for {{SWKidsYoutube}}. OOM 224 11:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the input! All of your critiques have been fixed. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 04:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Ratts

• Welcome both to a first-time GAN writer and the first WP:THR nomination! Some initial objections:
  • For the quotes, you should attribute them to AD-3, since she's the one actually speaking.
  • And speaking of quotes, I'm sure there are at least a few more that can be added to relevant sections. I recall AD mentioning that he could "make anything," which would go nicely in the P&A section.
    • Biography is still missing a quote. RattsT (talk) 04:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Whoops, I missed this objection. The quote has been added. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 19:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Some restructuring of the biography section is necessary. That first paragraph is a big one, with a greater word count then the next three combined. Likewise, the final paragraph of that section is only one sentence, which is generally avoided. Take a look into breaking up that big paragraph and combining some of the smaller ones. RattsT (talk) 06:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
    • All fixed except for your last bullet point about the last paragraph. I don't know how I would make that longer while still keeping the 'real life' portions of JTC vague. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 15:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Nothing says that last sentence has to be a paragraph on its own. I've restructured them to show you what I mean. You wanna aim for the sweetspot of paragraphs that are all roughly the same length without hurting the flow of the writing. RattsT (talk) 04:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
        • Okay, I understand thanks for the help. The restructure looks good.infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 04:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Ecks Dee

• You have three instances of "at some/another point/time" in the intro in close succession, please reword. 1358 ^(Talk) 18:06, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • It's been rewordedinfectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 20:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Imp

• Please remove all duplicate links from the article. Imperators II^(Talk) 18:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Removedinfectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 20:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• I'm still noticing some underlinking in the article. For example, in the first sentence of the Bio you should link "Duros", "male", "Jedi Master", "red", and "the Force". Keep in mind that 1) the infobox, 2) the intro, 3) the body of the article, and 4) each reference should all be fully linked, with each subject being linked upon its first mention. Imperators II^(Talk) 09:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Is that better? Or do I need to add more links? infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 18:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
• The fact that Wishan enjoyed creating the sculptures would be better at home under Personality and traits.
  • Reworded infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 00:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
• A different thing that you could consider adding there, at the beginning of the body, is timeline placement - when was Wishan active? From that THR mention, do we know if he was alive at the time of the novel's events, or could it be at any point by 231 BBY?
  • I don't really understand how I would address this. It is stated in the biography that he created the incense around 231 BBY. We don't know when he made the incense, only that it existed by that time. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 00:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
    • In the very first sentence, you could establish the timeline placement right away by saying something to the effect of "Wishan was active at some point by 231 BBY." Also, the mention of 231 BBY in the third paragraph should use "by" instead of "around", since there's no chance that Wishan developed the incense in 230 BBY, is there? Imperators II^(Talk) 13:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
      • Added. Apologies for the late edit, School and other IRL things have made me less active. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 03:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
• "After demonstrating his skills of sculpture making to Rann, he gave the Padawan seven lumps of clay, due to the fact that he had gained weight over the prior summer, and attempted to teach Rann how to sculpt with clay using the Force by instructing him to sculpt the Duros' likeness." — not sure if this was the intention, but this reads as if Wishan gaven Rann seven lumps because the former had gained weight. Can it be clarified as to how the number of lumps is connected to Wishan's gain in weight? Imperators II^(Talk) 12:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 00:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Does the source establish why the creation of a Force-sculpture in Wishan's likeness would normally require six lumps of clay? Is this information derived from AD-3's monologue? Does the droid say "instead of the usual six" or something to that effect?
      • It is derived from AD-3's monologue. The exact quote is ""You try", Wishan instructed, motioning to six lumps of clay. Well, maybe seven. Wishan had gained a bit of weight over the Summer. No big deal." infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 14:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
        • I see. With that information in mind, I now believe you should move that bit to the P&T, as well (you already have one sentence describing Wishan's looks there, after all). In the Bio you can just limit it to saying Wishan instructed Rann to sculpt his likeness.
          • It's been done. Again, apologies for the late edit. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 20:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
            • If you look at that new sentence closely, it does not correctly reflect the quote that you gave here. Imperators II^(Talk) 06:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
              • I didn't see that. Good eye. Is how I reworded it sufficient? infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 17:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
• Is the Temple librarian's gender unspecified? Because for now the Manual of Style still prohibits the use of "their" for cases where gender is unknown.
  • Their gender is unspecified. It has been fixed infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 14:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Is the creature that Rann creates a sculpture of specifically referred to as "dragon"? If so, I believe we should have an article for it if we don't already.
  • It is described as a "giant dragon". In my opinion however, it looks like a Krayt Dragon to me, thereby not necessitating a new article. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 14:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
    • You should specify that it was a krayt dragon, then. Imperators II^(Talk) 19:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Specified infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 20:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• I feel that the "I'm already seven lumps of clay. Why not eight or nine?" line definitely implies more that could be said about Wishan's personality. Imperators II^(Talk) 07:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Added infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 14:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Fred strikes back

• We should use prose to describe "not the best looking" instead of simply quoting the quote that is right above it. MasterFred(talk) 22:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
  • It has been prose-ifyed. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 03:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
• Does the episode actually call Wishan "friendly," as stated in the P&T? MasterFred(talk) 22:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
  • It does not. Does the way i adjusted the wording work? Apologies for the late response, I was out of town this weekend. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 18:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Yakov the Dog

• What does Wishan gaining weight have to do with giving his apprentice 7 lumps of clay? -- YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Added clarification about why 7 lumps. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 03:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Macaroni

• There should be a comma after the word "guy" in the P+T quote. Is that a mistake or per the source? JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 07:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Good eye, I've added the comma to match the source. Thanks. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 02:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 12:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Added links to Sculptor per Lewisr's suggestion on Discord that that should be added given the fact that Wishan is categorized as a sculptor. infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 04:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
• Added info saying that the story of Wishan and Jabe Rann was told to Padawans by AD-3 per RattsT's suggestion on Discord. Elaboration about this change and our thought process behind it is on Talk:Wishan infectedzombieguy(Talk to me!) 03:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
• Housekeeping note: The first line of my objections was struck to keep in line with Cade's soon-to-be-released bot, not to retroactively take back that message. You are still welcomed, IZG :P RattsT (talk)
• Reviewing note: please always try and specify who considers the subject to have some quality or another. Imperators II^(Talk) 07:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)