Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Weebacca

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Weebacca

  • Nominated by: MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:20, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Decided I'd better hurry before the end of May. It's my first IU nom, so be nice. :)

(4 ACs/7 Users/11 Total)

Support

  1. I remember this guy from the game, and with all the things that you have fixed, I think this now deserves to be a good article.--Exiled JediGreetings 12:18, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
  2. ~SavageBOB sig 05:02, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Yay! Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 00:21, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Cal JediStarForgeSucksGas-KOTOR1 (Personal Comm Channel) 22:19, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Keep up the hard work! Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 01:21, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  6. That's it from me. Great work. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 15:05, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  7. ACvote Kilson(Let's have a chat) 04:15, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
    Looks good to me. Darth Needham 18:35, June 4, 2011 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: Fails to meet the productivity requirement. -- Imperators II(Talk) 00:26, June 5, 2011 (UTC))
  8. ACvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 22:36, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
  9. ACvote Assuming all other outstanding objections are resolved. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:14, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
  10. How many more votes does this guy need? Trak Nar Ramble on 08:43, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  11. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:52, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Ecks Dee
  • For starters, his death date isn't mentioned outside the infobox. 1358 (Talk) 18:25, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
The Exiled One
  • You need to include all of the infobox information in the main article.--Exiled JediGreetings 19:11, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, other than the fact that he was male (which should be obvious saying I used masculine pronouns), everything is included. I added "male," but other than that, I don't know what you are talking about. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:31, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
      • Sorry about that, I missed the part where you said that he had brown fur and brown eyes.--Exiled JediGreetings 20:36, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
There's something not right about that <insert name here>
  • In the intro, you say that he fought for the planet's defense, but then you say he was a traitor, so he wasn't really fighting for the planet's defense. This could be reworded a little.
    • Fixed
  • No link for the invasion mentioned in the intro?
    • Linked
  • "Weebacca was a longtime childhood friend of Chewbacca. The two were never cross, no matter what situation Weebacca had gotten himself into." Two things: a) You mean to say that neither Weebacca nor Chewbacca had ever been angry in their entire lives? Reword please, and b)Do you mean to say that Weebacca got into trouble alot? Should be mentioned.
    • Actually yes. The entry in the Galactic Battlegrouns Databank says they were never cross. And I fixed b.
      • Hmm, then what I think the Databank might mean then is that they were never cross at each other. I mean, it's not like they were devoid of emotion or anything.
  • "The Wookiee was always in need of some credits and had a love for the game of sabacc, and so it wasn't long before Weebacca got into smuggling."Right now, the sentence implies that anyone who enjoyed playing sabacc would eventually become a smuggler. Should be reworded.
    • Fixed
  • '"Before the city, they found Weebacca destroying a Trandoshan building." I'm assuming you meant "before they reached the city", or do you mean something else?
    • Fixed
  • "Despite this apparent common enemy, Han Solo was very uneasy seeing a lone Wookiee unharmed; these suspicions were to be justified by Weebacca's subsequent actions." I don't really understand this sentence. Why wouldn't Han want to see an unharmed Wookiee?
    • Better?
      • Worded much better, but the fact itself is still kinda confusing. Why would seeing a healthy, uninjured Wookiee make Han uneasy? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Wait, he likes Wookiees, doesn't he?
        • I think it was because all the other Wookiees had been slaughtered. idk It's just what the game says. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:14, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
          • We should still try to find something different from "uneasy". I dunno, maybe you could just say that Weebacca caught his attention.
  • "They realized that the Imperials had installed three jammers which prevented them from communicating." How?
    • And now the wheels turn on you. :P I don't understand your objection. They're jammers. That's what they do.
      • Eh, sorry, that's my fault. I meant how they realized the jammers were there. Did they do a search of the Tree or something?
        • Weebacca told them. It's not really clear how he knew. Maybe it was because he was a double agent, or maybe because he had been there long enough to see them, but that's all speculation. IIRC, the game just indicates that Weebacca knows where they are, not how he knows. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:10, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
  • "The Rebels managed to escape the trap by cutting trees to form a back route and reach the river to Chenachochan" Is Chenachochan another city, or a Wookiee? Context please.
    • Fixed
  • "Weebacca was later seen when the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace" Who, or what, is Darcc? Again, context.
    • Fixed
  • "He is a hero for the Wookiee faction" More of a question than an objection, but could you maybe explain what a "hero" is?
    • Fixed
  • Overall, you could definitely combine some of the mini-paragraphs into actual-paragraphs, to make the article seem a little less cluttered.
    • Better?
      • Yes, but not as much as it could be. Right now, the text looks like one big brick, which is better than twenty tiny bricks, but the optimal option is to have, for a body this size, I dunno, 2-3 paragraphs. Of course, you know the info better than me, just separate the info how you see fit. Remember that the function of paragraphs are to mark a pause, setting a certain piece of info apart from those around it. So, just separate it based on what you are trying to convey. Maybe one before the invasion, and one during, or something. You did great on the other objections, just a little more! Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 02:24, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
        • Bah! I know what paragraphs do. :P Just forgot to separate two of them. Should be fixed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:10, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'll have another look when these are addressed. Welcome to the real GAN page, Fred. :P Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 22:20, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
    • Shut it, Slime ball! :P Music GANs are legit! Thanks for the review, btw. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:15, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
  • "Later, Weebacca was caught trying to escape the planet with Moff Darcc and Trandoshan slaver Pekt, the Empire's two leaders in the invasion, in an Imperial shuttle after the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace. Chewbacca killed Weebacca in a duel while Darcc and Pekt managed to escape." This last sentence seems to come outta nowhere. You haven't stated that Chewbacca was even around when Weebacca tried to escape. You should at least mention that Chewbacca noticed him trying to get away, and then killed him. Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 23:11, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
    • I fixed this a while back. Must've forgot to tell you. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:03, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • Great job! I have a feeling there's gonna be a couple big changes because of Jon's objections, so I'll wait a couple days before supporting. Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 17:37, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
The Premier
  1. Hello there! I have some preliminaries:
  • Intro needs to be expanded a bit (and there's a grammar error in the second sentence).
  • Context on Darc's Palace.
  • "Hardly trustworthy." Is that stated in the game or OR?
    • That's what it says in the game's databank.
  1. Another thing: Is it necessary to protect him in the early missions? If so, I feel it should be mentioned in the BTS along with other instances of gamemechanics.
  2. Any more quotes, especially from Weebacca?
    • I'll get some more.
      • I don't know what's going on here, but this objection is currently 14 days old, which means it should be fixed as soon as possible. 1358 (Talk) 09:42, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
        • The end of the school year is going on. I'm trying to fix these as fast as I can. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:28, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Thats it so far. Hope to see more from you. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 03:28, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
QGJ
  • So, is there nothing in the Prima Guide? Also, you forgot to add the CSWE as a source. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:36, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
    • Not that I could find. Just info on locations and strategies. Added CSWE. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:07, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
      • So, in the entire guide, there is not a single mention of Weebacca? I just want to make sure, as he is a rather important character storyline-wise, and there must be something on him. Even if it does not contain new information and only mentions him briefly, it still counts as a source. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:30, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
        • I'll have to check. It might take a little while, as I don't currently have access to the guide. Hopefully I'll again be in posession of it by the end of this coming week. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
          • I'm really sorry about this. I've tried three times to order the book. Maybe the third time will be the charm. Anyway, is there a way to pass the nom and have me add the source later, or do we have to wait until the book comes in? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:03, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
            • Weebacca has an entry in the CSWE, you can ask in IRC for the whole entry if you need it. –Tm_T (Talk) 05:42, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
              • A little late, Tm. :P Anyway, the book was ordered yesterday, so it should be in in about a week or two. I would really appreciate if the ACs would allow this nomination to stand for the time being. I know I'm on borrowed time. :) MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:42, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
                • Jang had the guide all along. :P Added as a source. No new info. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 05:37, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • He, in reality, acted as a double agent during the battle in 4 ABY until he was killed by his former friend Chewbacca when his treachery was realized after being caught trying to escape the destruction of Moff Darcc's palace along with Darcc and Pekt, a Trandoshan slaver. This is a run-on.
    • Umm..I guess someone fixed it. :P Too lazy to see who it was. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Like the intro, the bio should start with an establishing sentence. "Weebacca was a male Wookiee etc."
  • Context on Han and Chewbacca in the bio.
  • The two were never cross with each other, I don't quite get this part.
    • They were never mad with each other. The above is the wording from the databank on Galactic Battlegrounds. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
      • Um, Okay. I guess I just wasn't familiar with that idiom.
  • His betrayal should be established earlier in the bio.
    • Striking this as Jon has objected to the same thing below. I'll let him handle this. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:06, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately for the heroes "Heroes" is POV.
  • While liberating Kashyyyk from the Trandoshan slavers and the Imperial Remnant in 4 ABY, Han Solo and Chewbacca moved to Kepitenochan, liberating Wookiee slaves on their way. "Liberating" is repetitive.
    • Changed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
      • Now the sentence states the fact that Chewbacca and Han liberated the Wookies twice. And it also reads a bit awkwardly. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:59, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
      • Picky, picky. :P Better this time? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:18, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • All in all, the biography should be more from Weebacca's point of view. With the exception of the first paragraph, it currently focuses on Han and Chewie.
  • The second P&T sentence could probably be reworded to make it sound less speculative.
  • I don't think that Second Battle of Kashyyyk has been confirmed as the battle's real name, so you should avoid using it.
    • Avoided at all costs, which were minimal. :P MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Also, I don't remember the game actually using the 4 ABY date. You should find a better source.
    • That's because it doesn't. :P The Atlas places the liberation at 5 ABY, and so Weebacca's death must've occurred then. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • All from me. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:57, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
Prepare to be savaged…
  • You refer both to the New Republic and the Rebel Alliance, but the year is the same: 4 ABY. Can you figure out which it was and use that one exclusively? ~SavageBOB sig 05:15, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • Just a quick note: Is it possible for events to go differently if the player loses the battles Weebacca is in? If so, anything that can possibly end up going differently needs to be enclosed in the {{Gamemechanics}} and {{Endgame}} templates. That is, unless a later source has confirmed that events go as indicated in the article. Either way, the alternative scenarios need to be mentioned in the BTS. ~SavageBOB sig 19:25, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
    • There are no alternate scenarios. If he dies, you lose and restart. That's it. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:44, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
      • Yeah, but you're still assuming the player wins, which is not the only possibility. I think the templates are necessary, even if alternative scenarios are not indicated in the BTS. ~SavageBOB sig 21:45, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
        • I honestly don't see where you're coming from. There is no other way to play the game. As soon as Weebacca dies, you restart the mission. There is nothing to go in the parameters. I've stated in the BTS that his survival is necessary for mission success, but other than that, there's nothing to put. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 05:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
          • You're still assuming the player wins. There's a chance the player could lose, and the mission does not go down as you have it written, because the mission fails. Anything that is subject to player success needs to be enclosed in "Gamemechanics" and "Endgame" templates to indicate that we're assuming the player wins. ~SavageBOB sig 06:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
            • If the only way to progress in the game is to win, then gamemechanics isn't applied. –Tm_T (Talk) 07:03, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
              • Is that right? I think I disagree that this should be the case, but if that's how folks apply the template, I'll strike for wee Weebacca. ~SavageBOB sig 14:53, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Wee! ... bacca
  • Some mainly timeline-based prelims:
  • The italicized word in the intro: No way. Not in an encyclopedia. :D
  • Intro: It's not accurate to say that the Imperial Remnant "invaded" Kashyyyk in 4 ABY. Darcc was already in power, and the planet had been under Imperial control for over two decades at that point. I think you'd do better to mention the Trandoshans' actions in relation to Darcc attempting to seize absolute control of Kashyyyk.
    • It doesn't say the Empire invaded in 4 ABY. It says the battle took place in 4 ABY. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
      • Intro explicitly says "invaded."
        • I realize it says the Empire invaded, but the date is referring to the battle. "Invasion" and "4 ABY" aren't even in the same sentence. I'm still not seeing what you're saying. If you could maybe change it to your liking so I can see it, that might help. Sorry for the trouble. :P MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:00, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
          • "Invaded" pipelinks to Liberation of Kashyyyk, which is incorrect. And even if they're not in the same sentence, the intro reads as if the invasion and the battle are the same thing. It needs to clearly establish that they're different, and that the latter happens quite a while after the former. I hope that helps. Menkooroo 13:22, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'd leave out any mention of "Imperial Remnant" altogether. Even with Palpatine dead, they were still the Galactic Empire for a few more years. Darcc's forces in particular.
  • I don't think the Rebels were the New Republic yet at this point. This video uses the term "Alliance," and the timeline placement of several other sources seem to indicate that this battle was pre-Declaration of a New Republic (such as Star Wars 91, which shows a post-Imperial-occupation Kashyyyk and takes place before the Declaration of the New Republic). I think that "Rebel Alliance" is your winner in regards to Bobbo's objection above.
    • Were they the Rebel Alliance or the Alliance of Free Planets at this point? ~SavageBOB sig 07:29, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
      • Alliance of Free Planets during Wookiee World, but likely not during Galactic Battlegrounds. Also, watching more of the youtube videos on the Kashyyyk mission, it seems that "Alliance," "Rebellion," and "New Republic" are used interchangeably. I'd stick with Rebel Alliance, which seems to jive the best with other continuity. Menkooroo 08:32, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
        • Stupid GB. Stay consistent. :P OK, I'll change to "Rebel Alliance." MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
          • I've changed it back to the NR since the EA refers to it as such. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • Is there no indication, in the CSWE or anything, of what Weebacca's motives were? Any hints?
    • Nope. QGJ quoted the emtire passage on Weebacca on the barn-burner page. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • More to come once these are addressed, baby! Menkooroo 06:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
Jujiggum
  • "…the Wookiee appeared to drop his then-current dealings and rush to fight for the planet's defense. However, he acted as a double agent for both the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire during the battle a while later in 4 ABY." The chronology here doesn't really make sense. You make it sound like he rushed to the planet's defense, but didn't actually have to do so for several years. Did the battle take place when he rushed to the planet's defense, or was it actually much later? Either way, please make this clearer.
    • I've decided that it makes more sense that the invasion and battle were two separate events, as the Imperials already had a base and had enslaved most of the Wookiees when the battle started. I've linked it and will create the article soon. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:40, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • In the first paragraph of the bio you have information that belongs solely in the P&T, as well as some colloquial wording (i.e. "sticky circumstances").
  • "He hated the Empire, and when his homeworld of Kashyyyk was invaded and enslaved…" Can we get a link for this invasion?
    • Should I treat the invasion and liberation as the same battle? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
      • I don't know, since I'm unfamiliar with the source material. Please see my first objection. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
        • No, you see your first objection. :P MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:40, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
          • Haha good deal. :P Just make sure to create it asap (no redlinks in intros!). Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 13:49, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • In the second paragraph of the bio, you make it sound like Solo, Chewie and Weebacca were trying to send a message to the Rebel Alliance, but then you say that "the Wookiee forces" themselves were unable to dispatch a message. Which is correct?
    • Well, they both are. Solo and Chewbacca were in command of a Wookiee force. I've changed it to "rebels" since they were all rebels. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:18, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay, but you're also contradicting yourself here. You say that "they were able to contact the Rebel Alliance" but also that the Imperials "prevented them from dispatching a message." Which is correct? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 00:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • "Later, Weebacca was caught trying to escape the planet with Moff Darcc and Trandoshan slaver Pekt, the Empire's two leaders in the invasion, in an Imperial shuttle after the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace." Caught by whom? And your use of "caught" implies that he was captured, and I don't think that that's correct if Chewbacca duelled him.
  • "He carried the same name of the ancient Wookiee hero Bacca…" Uh, no he didn't. His name was "Weebacca, not just Bacca. You could specify that his name contained the name Bacca, but he didn't share the same exact name.
  • Lots of POV wording in the P&T section
  • Lots of missing info in the P&T section (see my second objection above for some of what is missing)
    • Info moved from bio to P&T. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
      • Grammar/tense mistakes here, now. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
        • I'm not seeing them. It's all in past tense. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:18, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
          • To name the main problems: incorrect preposition usage and use of the imperfect. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
            • I believe I fixed the imperfect. However, I'm not seeing the incorrect preposition. If "into" at the end of the sentence is what you're referring to, then I'll reword. I'm not too familiar with the rules in that area. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:49, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
              • The problem with the imperfect remains. And yes, your use of "into" is incorrect. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 00:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
                • Do you think you could fix it or show me where it's at. I honestly don't see anything. I'm from Texas, remember. Grammar rules go out the window down here. :P MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:40, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
                  • Haha nice. The imperfect issue is in the first part of the first sentence, and the "into" just needs to not be at the end of the sentence. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 13:49, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
                    • OK, I think that's better. I decided the whole "no matter what situation" part wasn't really necessary. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • The appearances section needs a {{1st}} tag.
  • The article is currently treated from Han and Chewie's perspective, as opposed to Weebacca's. Remmeber, in completely objective writing, you can't leave a surprise like Weebacca's betrayal for the end, because Weebacca already knew that he had betrayed the Rebels before the Rebels figured it out, and you need to present all of the information as it occurs chronologically. So you need to mention his betrayal sooner, and since this is his article, tell his story, not Han and Chewie's.
    • I think that might be a little better. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:49, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
      • Most of it was better; there's just one particular instance left about which I made an objection below. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:11, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • The affiliation field in the infobox shouldn't just include Galactic Empire, should it? He wasn't always a supporter of the Empire, so the field should also contain his previous allegiances.
    • Added the Rebel Alliance since he was a double agent. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay, now I'm confused. Was he a double-agent during his entire career? Or did he actually work for the Rebels before turning to the Imperial side? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
        • Well, he was a double agent, meaning he worked for both sides. Before the invasion, though, he had no affiliations. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:18, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
          • No, double agents weren't actually truly affiliated with both sides. If Weebacca just pretended to work for the Rebels his entire career, and was actually working for the Empire his entire career, then he would still be a double agent, but he would also be only affiliated with the Empire. That's what I'm trying to figure out here. Did he actually work for the Rebels at any point in time, or was he already working for the Empire by the time that he "joined" the Rebels? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
            • He rushed home to help his planet, so I guess he switched sides, after returning. However, nothing ever says he was actually a member of the Alliance before the battle, so I'll remove it. Other than that, the Empire is the only thing he was ever affiliated with. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:49, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
  • Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:29, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • I've got a couple more things: "However" is repetitive in the intro.
    • Changed one to "Instead." MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay, but that changes the meaning. Now you make it sound like he didn't ever help in his planet's defense, which contradicts what you told me above. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • I see. Better? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:11, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
          • The chronology is awkward to follow in this sentence, now: "Sometime after, though, he turned into a double agent for the Galactic Empire prior to the battle to free the planet, which occurred in 5 ABY." You have two different relative dates, and one absolute date. Is there anyway you could reword this sentence to make it more coherent and less awkward? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:43, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • "He disappeared" Disappeared from where? Kashyyyk?
    • The game just says he disappeared. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • If that's all it says on the matter, then how do you know that he dropped contact with his family? And if dropping contact with his family is actually all it says on the matter, then you can probably specify at least one standpoint from whose view he disappeared, rather than making a general statement. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • OK, it actually says he cut contact with his family and Chewbacca. Fixed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:11, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • I just want to be sure, but is there no suggestion why someone who hated the Empire would want to join it?
  • How is the way that Solo and Chewie escaped the trap relevant to Weebacca's article?
  • Why don't you mention his hate of the Empire in the P&T?
    • Mentioned. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay but the wording on this is a little off. From what I understand of the chronology of Weebacca's life as far as we know it: he originally hated the Empire, but then ended up working for it. We don't know that he still hated them even while he was working for them, which is what you imply with: "Even though he fought for the Imperials, he garnered a deep hatred for the Empire." Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • I see. Fixed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:11, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
          • "In the end" of what? This isn't clear here. Also, I think you could help fix that bit by making this sentence more chronological. State that he hated the Empire first, and then say later that he eventually joined it anyway. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:43, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
            • Rearranged. Thanks to you I now get nervous every time I comment on an objection because I always think I missed something grammar-wise. :P Anyway, I hope it's fixed, though I won't be surprised if there's something I missed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:36, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • Why isn't his love of sabacc mentioned in the P&T?
  • You have some infobox-exclusive information.
    • What info? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • Actually, you don't; my bad. I overlooked the "brown fur and eyes" because that kind of info is usually put either at the very end or very beginning of the section. One quick thing though: is there any way you can make the sentence fit better? It's short and choppy and kind of breaking up the flow right now; especially the usage of the phrase "physical traits." Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • I see. Better? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:11, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
          • I'm assuming you accidentally deleted the part about his eyes being brown. :P If so, no worries, I added it back; just be more careful in the future. And if it was intentional, then I'm assuming it's because you can't verify it, in which case you'd need to remove it from the infobox, too. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:43, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
            • It was intentional, so I've removed it again. Thanks for trying to help. :) MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:30, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:11, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Cavbacca
  • Sometime after, though, he turned into a double agent for the Galactic Empire prior to the battle, which occurred in 5 ABY. What battle? The defense of Kashyyyk during the enslavement of the Wookiees? I know you probably mean another battle, but the way its worded seems to indicate that the battle in question was the once referenced in the previous sentence.
  • A little context on Moff Darrc - was he in charge of Imperial forces on Kashyyyk? - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 12:23, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • I added that before, but was asked to remove it, as it was deemed unnecessary. Besides, it does say he was a leader of Imperial forces. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:10, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Cal Jedi
  • Nice article. But, and maybe someone already mentioned it, could you add some context on why Weebacca joined the Imperials?Cal JediStarForgeSucksGas-KOTOR1 (Personal Comm Channel) 02:41, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it was mentioned somewhere in that mass of objections. :P No source actually says why he joined. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 03:37, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
Kilson
  • Could you add a mention of the Galactic Civil War in the Intro and Bio, such as, "When his homeworld of Kashyyyk was invaded and enslaved by the Galactic Empire during the Galactic Civil Wars, the Wookiee..."
  • Give some context on Moff Darcc in the Intro.
    • Sorry to intervene, but "Moff" is context, no? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 03:26, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I should have clarified. I'm looking for something similar to what is in the Bio, such as the "leader of the Imperial forces on Kashyyyk". Is that too much context? Kilson(Let's have a chat) 03:30, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
        • Ah, gotcha. And no, I wouldn't necessarily say that that would be too much. :) Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 03:32, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
          • I've added it, but I'm not sure of the wording. Does it read well to you? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 15:49, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
            • Edited that section a bit, what do you think Fred?
  • I noticed the article you pipelinked with "invaded", Invasion of Kashyyyk (Galactic Civil War), is a candidate for speedy deletion. I would change the link myself, but I'm not sure which article you're trying to link to.
    • Actually, that is the article I was linking to. I created that article, but it was marked to be deleted as the canonical timeline seems to contradict. We working it out on the respective talk page. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 15:49, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
      • Since the linking is more the Wook's problem than the article's, I'm going to strike my objection because I don't want it to potentially hold up the nomination.
  • In the Bio, "Weebacca helped Solo and Chewbacca reoccupy Kepitenochan and rebuild the Government Tree, with which they hoped to contact the New Republic. However, the Imperials had installed three jammers that prevented the two from dispatching a message." When you say "which they" it sounds to me like you're referring to Weebacca, Chewbacca, and Han, but then later you say, "prevented the two". Who exactly are you referring to here?
  • "Weebacca claimed that the jammers were to be found in the city of Okikuti, but did not go with the Rebels to destroy them." You refer to Han and Chewie as Rebels here, but at this point, they are now members of the New Republic. I'm not sure if it's still proper to refer to them as Rebels. I would recommend replacing this.
  • Otherwise nice job Fred. :) Kilson(Let's have a chat) 03:08, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Can we not upload a new version of the biography image without the border? Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:27, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
    • Border removed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:15, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
      • There's still a border on the left-side of the image. Not a great crop. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:56, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
        • Hmmm...that looks nothing like when I uploaded it. idk what's going on, but I'll try again. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 23:39, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
          • OK, I uploaded it again, but something strange is happening. Now my original upload shows up in the history, but my new upload is the same as the original again. What's going on? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 23:39, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
            • It's just Wikia's stupid image cache updating problems. If you click on the thumbnail, you'll see that the desired version is properly uploaded. It will just take a while for the cache to update. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:42, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  • Please utilize the Gamer citation template for the article title in reference 3. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:13, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Talrrivanian strikes
  • In the biography and the intro agents were not linked --Talrrivanian JaingHead (Headquarters) 08:52, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Fixed --Talrrivanian JaingHead (Headquarters) 08:52, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
    • Agent links to a disambig, and thus, the links have been nixed. A quick note; if you're gonna link to something, make sure it links to the correct thing. A link to a disambig really helps no one. Trak Nar Ramble on 08:42, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Also how do we know that he was always getting into trouble and gambling and smuggling? Do this yourself, needs refs. Over and out --Talrrivanian JaingHead (Headquarters) 08:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
    • It already is referenced. 1358 (Talk) 08:30, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • This isn't: Weebacca was a male Wookiee spacer who tended to get into trouble and who had a habit of gambling and smuggling. Needs referencing, how do we know that? --Talrrivanian JaingHead (Headquarters) 08:52, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
    • It's referenced in the article body, where it belongs. If I recall, there was a CT concerning references in the intro, as at one point, Zuckuss was plagued with that. Five or six right after the first three words, if I recall. Trak Nar Ramble on 08:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
      • Introductions should not be referenced. The exception is a pronounciation, which needs to be sourced. 1358 (Talk) 09:03, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
        • Also see the first item in Sourcing rules. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 09:05, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
          • As it stands, not one of these objections is valid. Talrrivanian, I suggest that you strike them so this nomination can pass. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:25, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 16:59, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


  • Another quote would be nice.--Exiled JediGreetings 19:13, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
    • I'll look for some more. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
      • OK, so I've restarted the Wookiee campaign, and all the quotes from Wookiees aren't translated into Basic. They just say, "Raahhh Graa Rawr!" and such. :P How should I treat this? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:02, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
        • Are there any more quotes that are about Weebacca, even if they're not by him? Anything by Han, or in the mission briefings? Or even anything about the battle that could be used as a bio quote? Menkooroo 15:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
          • I'm terribly sorry about the long delay everyone. It's the end of the school year, so everything's getting hectic. And as for the quotes, I'm sure there are. I was just saying that the ones from Weebacca probably won't work. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:19, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • Wait, the NEC establishes Grand Admiral Syn's death, and thus the battle, at 8 months after Endor. Would that still be 4 ABY? Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 20:33, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • His article says he died 8 months after during a space battle with Ackbar. However, it also says the systems weren't freed until "not long after." I feel that we can fit the two dates together. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 23:36, June 4, 2011 (UTC)