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Walex Cantwell Blissex I

  • Nominated by: --Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Retroactively (hopefully) making this as the first WP:DEFIANCE article.
  • Date Archived: 15:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 1012 words (124 introduction, 589 body, 299 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:FFGAMES

(2 ACs/1 Users/3 Total)

(Votes required: 1 AC vote(s) required to reach minimum. Additional 1 user or 1 AC vote required to pass.)

Support

  1. ACvote Fantastic work! Master FredceriqueCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 19:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
    ACvote Lewisr (talk) 07:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
    ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 01:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
  2. Didn't know about this one! Lovely article. OOM 224 (he/him) 16:03, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Excellent work on this! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 11:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Object

Lew
  • Home One needs context Lewisr (talk) 01:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Can Mon Mothma's position in the Alliance be cited to the film?
  • Timelines dates the flashbacks in Star Wars 26 to around 40 BBY, so that should be noted with regards to when the Delta-7 entered service by Lewisr (talk) 19:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
  • It appears the pronouns for Lira can be updated to reflect BMF 35
  • As BMF 35 also refers to Walex as a 'renowned engineer' could we get this included, and Category:Engineers added too
  • Is it possible to merge some of the one time used refs with other used sources? Lewisr (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Checking! --Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
      • In the interests of this one not sitting and being picked up by the bot, I'll note one I found, the fact V-wings continued service into the Empire is citable to either ROTS or the BMF 58 fact file section
  • Does Revenge of the Sith support V-wings being piloted by clone pilots? Lewisr (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Issue 35 of BMF is missing as a source
  • Not possible to determine eye colour from the images of him?
    • Added dark since I can't tell if it's brown or black --Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
      • I'm no better myself so no worries :P Lewisr (talk) 16:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I think the intro could at least use the Battle of Endor date Lewisr (talk) 21:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't see the relevance to Walex to include the bit about the "Wessex-head" bit-driver
    • This was an objection by Fred --Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
      • Thanks to Imp for rephrasing and making the relevance more clear to me Lewisr (talk) 07:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The BMF date should be a full date per the layout guide Lewisr (talk) 05:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Dawn of Rebellion notes that the RZ-1 A-wing was originally rejected by the Empire Lewisr (talk) 06:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Earl of Blissex
  • I'd recommend switching the date referencing to Timelines.
  • "Blissex's originated in Star Wars Legends," missing something here.
  • "Blissex eventually had a daughter, Lira Wessex, who became a ship designer themselves." shouldn't it be themself?
  • "Blissex had the ability to design starfighter craft" for this "had the ability" seems like odd wording to me. "was knowledgeable" or something like that seems better for this. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 21:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • Is there any particular reason for using the pronoun "their" in the first sentence of the intro?
  • "The designer eventually went on to serve as an officer…" I think this sentence in the intro is a bit too long.
  • Can V-wings "seeing wider use in 19 BBY" be fully sourced to Galactic Atlas? I couldn't find any mention of the ship in the book.
  • I believe introducing Blissex's occupation at the beginning of Biography, before getting into his actual designs, would flow better.
    • I reworded but not sure if this is what you meant --Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
      • It looks much better, but I think establising that he was a renowned ship designer before mentioning that his daughter was one themself would read better. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
        • Moved daughter mention to the end of the section --Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Although they have similar meanings, using the same term for Blissex's hair color would probably be better.
  • Is it possible to have a more specific source, like a particular card, for the SWCCG reference in BTS?
  • Since, per precedent, using a reference book's latest addition is preferable if it also has the same information, can the Ultimate Star Wars citation be replaced with its New Edition? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Siege of Coruscant Scenario Pack is a redlink at the moment.
  • Could you please format the uses of {{FFGXW2}} according to the cardname formatting instructions on its page? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I think the existence of "Wessex-head" and "Blissex-head" bit-drivers is worth a mention. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 11:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I think some depictions of Blissex in Mothma-related content are currently not listed in Sources. Right off the bat, I see that Blissex is depicted in Mon Mothma Biography Gallery in the StarWars.com Databank, along with several physical trading cards. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Went through the sources and added what was missing. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Thanks for finding those Databank entries as well as the Card Trader card! Sorry to keep bothering you with this, but per the Trading Card Database link above, there are still quite a few physical sets missing from the Sources list. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Sorry this is a pretty daunting task. I added all the ones that showed Blissex but I need to format the sources list. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
          • Oh, you don't need to list the Card Trader cards with no flavor text. I'm talking about the physically released cards, unrelated to the Topps app. Sorry about the confusion. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
            • Sorry, I'm confused. Which cards from that list? --Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
              • Oh, you did list the right ones, I just assumed they were digital ones as they had the {{SWCT}} app template, but I have replaced them with {{Topps}}. Sorry about troubling you this long with this objection. FYI, I've also removed the Top Trumps one as it's apparently a reprint of a pre-2014 set. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the assistance on this one! --Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • One last thing from me: I agree with Lewisr's comment below about documenting when and where Blissex's only scene was shot, if we know that information. I think you can also note that the role was uncredited in the film. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
    • I ordered The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi and will update this article with the relevant filming information. I'm expecting it next week but I will be on vacation and will not be able to update until November 26th, worst case scenario. I updated that the character was portrayed by an uncredited actor. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Just a friendly reminder that this one still remains as it's easy to miss between the strikethrough objections. Amazing work on handling those, btw! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
        • Thanks, was working on this one today but was interrupted. BTS has been fully updated with filming details. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Friends Like These is already listed in Appearances, but it has new information on p. 78: "Originally conceived by the legendary Walex Blissex as a Star Destroyer escort in the heavy battle lines of the Clone Wars, the Gladiator I was repurposed by the Galactic Empire as an independent, long-range patrol craft." TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Erebus
  • The V-wing being a member of the Delta-series can't be sourced directly to BMF 58.
  • Perhaps you could give a little mention that TIE fighters took some elements from the V-wing?
  • "Walex Blissex was considered a legendary starship designer" who was this considered by?
  • Walex and Lira being on opposing sides is relevant to the article.
  • I'm not really a fan of there being a single sentence as the opening part for the intro. If you are able, could you please find a way to fix it?
  • That first sentence of the body reads a little awkwardly.
  • Can you rearrange the second sentence of Imperial Era's first paragraph into chronological order? Erebus Chronus (Talk) 02:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I think some sentences could read a little smoother. Right now, they seem very disconnected from one another. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 22:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Which sentences? Or at least which section of the article has the most issues with sentence structure? Thanks --Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Here's one "Blissex's Gladiator-class design was also used by the Empire, which had repurposed its role to a patrol craft. Blissex designed the A-wing." I thought there were more. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 01:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
        • I think it reads fine since the full sentence is "Blissex designed the RZ-1 A-wing interceptor, a starfighter used by anti-Imperial rebel cells by 18 BBY, early into the Empire's reign." I'll add "also" between Blissex and designed. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Fan
  • Saying that he "was present during the Republic Era" is really odd wording-he was present where? And present for the entire Republic Era? It would be much better to say he was active and give as specific a timeframe as possible Fan26 (Talk) 14:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • I think the first "by 40 BBY" in "Early works" can be removed. It should be enough to state that the Delta, which was designed by him, was in operation as early as 40 BBY.
  • How exactly does the "Wessex-head" bit-driver share a name with Walex Blissex?
  • I'm not convinced Category:Architects is appropriate here. Master FredceriqueCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 01:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
    • I added it since we don't have a category for designers (not that I found anyway), but removed --Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
ThrawnChiss
  • I'm pretty sure the officer in the center of this card is intended to be Blissex. (see File:Mothmaleadingbriefing.png). I know it is blurry, but I think it is good enough.ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 21:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
  • does "Starships of the Empire and the Rebellion" mention Blissex? The page says it does. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 21:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
    • If I may chime in, I checked the booklet's French version, and it does mention Blissex twice: 1) "The Executor was designed by Kuat Drive Yards under the supervision of the [female] engineer Lira Wessex, whose father, Walex Blissex, had designed the powerful Destroyers of the Republic." 2) "The Gladiator were designed by the famous engineer Walex Blissex, and their versatility allowed them to be utilized as patrol, escort, attack, siege, or bombardment ships as well." TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Uber
  • Hi Vitus, just a quick thing I noticed: You need to source Colin Cantwell's name to another source and note that the name is shared, since the source does not specifically say he was "named after" the person. You will also need to mention that Cantwell was responsible for the design that ended up becoming used for the Arrestor. The fact that the Arrestor is named after the guy can be kept, but you need another source for that too.
  • Another one: The bit-drivers being named after Blissex and Wessex is pure speculation, just note the names are shared. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
  • After conducting a full review: The Arrestor should be mentioned in the intro.
  • Can you link the Jedi's own Delta-7s in the body?
    • Not sure how to link them in the body without rewording those first few sentences --Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
      • Link the words already there. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
        • Done, but I'm not a fan of this method of linking. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Doesn't seem to be supported by the source: "The V-wing spawned several other variants".
  • Is there a timeframe for Friends Like These or the other sources mentioning the Gladiator? That can be used to date the Gladiator's introduction roughly, like you did for other ships already.
  • Does the Rogue One guide mention the V-wing? I don't see that source listed on its own article. I'm also unsure if the source can support that fact, although I know the V-wing being the predecessor was intended out-of-universe.
    • I've had the source shown to me, all good. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
  • The A-wing in Ahsoka is not confirmed to be the RZ-1 model. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
    • It is the RZ-1 model. We see it in hangars and flying by and it is definitely the RZ-1. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
      • I am referring to the Ahsoka novel that is cited in this article. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Inconsistency between first image's caption and body: They both state different timeframes for the V-wing's introduction. "By 19 BBY" is not the same as being deployed during the Clone Wars. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
  • One more thing, you need to document what's happening in that Armada card in the body proper. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Article is at 1,001 words currently. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 17:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • Since I already supported, I'll just leave it here that the bts should include filming dates for the Home One scene Lewisr (talk) 14:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Huh, I dunno why C4-DE Bot changed the dates/placements of the cards here, but I'll ask Cade about it on Discord. OOM 224 (he/him) 17:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I think most of them aren't added to the master list yet, and some sets have multiple release dates if they are released in different waves. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • If anyone has Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide and can provide me with the information on Walex that would be very helpful! --Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
    • It establishes that the Cantwell-class cruiser was named for 'famed starship designed Walex Cantwell Blissex I' Lewisr (talk) 06:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Thank you! I'll also be updating the BTS. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
        • No worries! I would recommend just saying it was named for Walex as that's what the source says rather than partially named after Lewisr (talk) 03:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I want to note that I will be on vacation and unable to access the internet from November 11th to November 26th/27th --Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
  • With the last update the word count has stayed above 1000, so you'll need to take this to FAN Lewisr (talk) 03:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Very well, please close this GAN and I'll start on it as a FAN. Thanks! --Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:07, 17 December 2023 (UTC)