Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Unidentified henchman (the Cauldron)

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Unidentified henchman (the Cauldron)

• Nominated by: OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 23:23, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: First status article. Was going for CA, but I've exceeded the word count.

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Support

1. Great work, looking forward to future nominations from you! Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:38, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
2. Nice work Fan26 (Talk) 14:41, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
3. UberSoldat93 (talk) 14:43, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
4. Imperators II^(Talk) 09:49, August 30, 2020 (UTC)
5. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:02, September 9, 2020 (UTC)

Object

Fan

• That image belong somewhere else in the body, not in the BtS, as it relates to in-universe information, not OOU information.
  • Fixed. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:17, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
• A 'Sources' section, with the Starwars.com cast list page included and marked with {{1stID}}, should be added. Fan26 (Talk) 01:08, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
  • Done. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:17, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

UberSoldat

• Episode air date required, with the appropriate source.
  • I went through the 2003 Homing Beacon, Hyperspace, and the EU News Archive on IA, as well as the Cartoon Network schedules, but I can't find anything. I'll keep searching, but do anyone know of an archived web page for CW Season One dates? - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 08:21, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
    • Tv.com can be used as a valid source. UberSoldat93 (talk) 08:29, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
      • Ah, there we go. Thanks. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 08:48, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
• "22 BBY–21 BBY" is unnecessary, it should be replaced with something like "at some point between 22 and 21 BBY" per precedent. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:16, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
  • Done. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 08:21, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
• You should expand the intro a bit. Currently it's pretty short.
  • How about now? I've also expanded the body to include Ventress proving herself a warrior and becoming Dooku's acolyte since it's related to Henchman's preparations (of the arena) and assassination. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:58, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
    • Great, now just combine it into one paragraph. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:08, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • Got it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 08:22, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
• "...wherein gladiators demonstrated their prowess before the Sith Lord in search of an acolyte." This makes it seem like the gladiators were looking for an acolyte.
  • Fixed. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:58, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
• Dooku's line on Henchman's death can be added as a quote in the Biography. UberSoldat93 (talk) 20:39, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
  • Roger Roger. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:58, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
• Context for Clone Wars in intro and body.
  • Provided. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 20:53, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
    • Still missing from the intro. Only the warring parties needs to be listed for context, there is too much of it in the body right now. UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:31, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
      • Fixed both intro and body. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 19:10, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
• "Thus, the adept proved herself a capable assassin, one, Dooku remarked, Henchman would have applauded." Some formal wording here would be nice.
  • Reworded the latter half of the intro. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 20:53, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
• In the BTS, you should start with the character's appearance; it currently starts with the voice actor and episode air date. UberSoldat93 (talk) 20:15, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • Fixed. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 20:53, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
• If the name of the character is a nickname, then you need to put quotations around it in the intro and state as such there. UberSoldat93 (talk) 10:33, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
  • The character is listed as Henchman in the SW.com cast and crew article, just as Durge is listed as Durge. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 11:04, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
    • Then the Nickname template needs to be removed from the article. UberSoldat93 (talk) 11:08, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
      • Ah, got it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 11:13, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

Anil

• A {{Youmay}} template can be added for Zayne Carrick, who is also nicknamed "Henchman."
• Files and templates need to use underscores in place of spaces (eg [[File:Luke_Skywalker.jpg]], not [[File:Luke Skywalker.jpg]]).
• Per the Manual of Style, HTML should be used instead of select punctuation (eg "—" instead of "—," "–" instead of "–," "…" instead of "...").
• Unless The New Essential Chronology directly places Henchman's death in between 22 and 21 BBY, a manual reference note is needed for the infobox, explaining how the date for Henchman's death is derived.
  • Looks much better, but I believe "between 22 and 21 BBY" is a much more definite date than "by 21.66 BBY." Since the Clone Wars started in 22 BBY, and the death occurs during the Clone Wars, I think you can also source how the former death is derived. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 15:00, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
    • Got it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 18:04, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
      • I did some research and it looks like there's a way to place Henchman's death directly in 22 BBY. I've made some changes to the reference note, please take a look and feel free to reword it however you like. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:26, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
        • Thanks! - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 04:16, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
• Again, per the Manual of Style, Wookieepedia mandates standard American English spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word usage. You should use "gray" instead of "grey," for example.
• There is no need to add links to a disambiguation page, such as Confederacy, in an in-universe section of the article.
• I don't think the arena match taking place "early stages" of the Clone Wars can directly be sourced to the episode itself. It should be explained in a reference note similar to my fourth objection.
• There are two consecutive identical references in BTS. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:21, June 12, 2020 (UTC)
  • All addressed. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 11:00, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
• {{CSWECite}} needs to be implemented for citations from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.
• About the sourcing of "Rattatak" and "the Cauldron" in the infobox. I assume you sourced them to The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia because the book identifies those locations by name, which are not named in the episode. For the infobox, I think you can source the locations directly to the CW episode, and leave the attributions for the names to the article body, like how Death Squadron is sourced in this Good article. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 15:00, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • Both done. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 18:04, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
• We are almost there! While I was searching for the date stuff, I've noticed that a picture of the Henchman appears in this entry from the old StarWars.com Databank. It should be added to the Sources list.
• Also, that same entry states that Dooku's mission to Rattatak took place "shortly after the outbreak of the Clone Wars," which should be included somewhere in the article body.
• (Reviewing note) Per the Manual of Style, grammatical articles (such as a, an, and the) must not be placed in pipelinks. I've fixed that for you, but please keep this in mind for your future nominations. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:26, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
• Oh, you can also briefly mention that the Henchman spoke a non-Basic language with Dooku in the Personality and traits section. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:31, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • All added. I've also included a reference note for Basic, since I think it's needed. I'll take note of the pipelinking. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 04:16, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
    • Nah, per precedent, it's not really necessary. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:44, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
      • OK. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 21:05, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
• (Reviewing note) If the source of the quote provides subtitles, we should go with the punctuations from the subtitle. While I was getting audio clips for the quotes, I've made a minor change to one of the quotes since the em dash was not present in my DVD version, but feel free to change it if you have another official subtitle that uses the em dash.
  • Oops, my bad. I don't have a copy of the subtitles with me so I must have added the dash myself. Thanks for the audio clips! - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 21:05, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
• One last thing, now looking at the article, I think there may be enough room for one more image. Could you please add another image that you choose and see how that'd look? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:44, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
  • How about now? - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 21:05, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
    • Great! Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:38, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
• (Reviewing note) Per the Layout Guide, image caption punctuation (i.e., a full stop, or period) is determined by whether the caption uses a complete sentence. Example: "Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight" does not receive a full stop, whereas "Luke Skywalker was a Jedi Knight." does. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:38, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
• After reconsidering and discussing it with others on IRC, I think you should re-add the {{Nickname}} template since "Henchman" is clearly not his name, but only his role. And instead of putting quotation marks around the name, you can simply refer to him as "a henchman" for introduction, and as "the henchman" for later mentions in the article, without capitalizing "henchman." Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:16, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • Makes sense. I've reworded some parts of the article as I went through it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 20:54, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Toprawa

• For starters, I would recommend moving this article to "Unidentified henchman." The term "Henchman" from the credits is just a general, unspecific title, not meant to be a formal thing. We wouldn't name an article just "ARC trooper" or "Aide," for example. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:53, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
  • I see. I have moved the article and edited it accordingly. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 10:15, July 5, 2020 (UTC)
    • It doesn't appear that "the" in the parenthetical descriptor needs to be capitalized. Just "(the Cauldron)" should do. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:58, July 5, 2020 (UTC)
      • Oops. Corrected. Fixing redirects now. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 00:36, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
• Please adjust the infobox title field in accordance with the Layout Guide: Conjecturally-titled articles will always include parenthetical descriptors in the infobox name field as standard; parenthetical descriptors will be excluded from the infobox name field for articles with canonical names. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:03, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • Done. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 01:42, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
• I don't think we need to go out of our way to avoid calling this character male. He obviously looks and sounds male, not to mention he's voiced by a male voice actor, who isn't trying to disguise or alter his voice or anything. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:57, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
  • True. I've reworded some parts of the article as I went through it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 02:40, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
    • Make sure you update the categories too. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:42, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
      • Updated. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 06:58, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
        • More specifically, you should use Category:Unidentified males. Also, you'll probably want to use Category:Administrators over the "Business owners and executives" category. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:31, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
          • Ah, got it. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 04:26, July 15, 2020 (UTC)
• The article needs to use the Legends version of the Conjecture template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:12, July 15, 2020 (UTC)
  • Fixed. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 00:55, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
• I've cleaned up and made more precise the article's date reference. The New Essential Chronology also states that 21.66 BBY is four months after the Battle of Geonosis, which you can add to the Biography as a more specific detail. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:56, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I've added the information. I also added to the date note to avoid clogging up the Biography with yet another reference. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 06:39, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
• Chapter 6 doesn't say that its events take place on Rattatak, so that's not self-sourcing in the date ref. Rather than clogging up that ref with more content, you should just add a separate reference for the death location in that infobox field.
  • Understood. Added ref to infobox. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 19:54, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
• I may have asked you this in person, but I can't remember. Did you take this article's quotes from the episode captions, if they exist? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:40, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
  • Yeah, on Discord. The quotes were provided by Anil. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 19:54, September 9, 2020 (UTC)

Zed

• The image category should be updated to reflect the page's new name. Zed42 (talk) 04:50, July 14, 2020 (UTC)
  • Updated. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 07:05, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 22:02, September 9, 2020 (UTC)

• Won't make an objection out of this, but audio files would be useful for readers who wish to know what the character sounds like. UberSoldat93 (talk) 20:16, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • Noted. Unfortunately, I can't add them since I don't have the DVDs. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 20:53, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
    • Try to find someone who has access to the show. UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:31, May 24, 2020 (UTC)