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Sith Chalice

(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Good to see you back with more noms. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 23:41, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
  2. 501st dogma(talk) 22:46, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:17, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
  4. Looks good! Manoof (talk) 08:42, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Winterz (talk) 14:35, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
  6. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:53, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
  7. ACvote Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 22:59, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Object

Exiled Jedi
  • The release dates in the BTS need to be sourced to something besides the sources themselves.
    • Well, how exactly would I achieve that? Even the articles pertaining to those sources do that. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:49, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
      • Unless the sources have that exact date included in them, they need to be backed up by an outside source. Most sources generally have the year in them, but no additional dating information.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 14:55, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • Is there a reason why you have two different references for the ROTS visual dictionary?
    • No. It's a mistake that has been fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:49, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm just making sure, but does any of the sources explicitly call it a vase?--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 05:09, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
    • It doesn't. But a chalice is a vase. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:49, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
      • I thought a chalice in real life was more of a cup or goblet. As it is the Star Wars universe, I'm not sure we should call it anything that the source doesn't call it.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 14:55, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
        • My mistake here. It appears that, in French, "vase" can designate any cup-shaped container, but my research indicates you can't do that in English. (I sometimes mix the two languages). Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:53, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • From what I can tell, Korribanian incense seems like it should have an article. I am going to request an article for it, per the new GAN redlink rules which do not allow redlinks in good articles.
  • I know this sounds picky, but unless you have a source stating that the Chalice was created for Episode III, you shouldn't state that in the article. There's always the off-chance that they created the Chalice for an earlier movie and didn't use it until Episode III.
  • I noticed that you linked to both Wolhanian and Wolhanian expedition. I'm pretty sure these are the same thing, but I don't really know which title is more appropriate for the article.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:15, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I didn't even notice I had linked to two different articles. Indeed, there shouldn't be two of them. Since the source uses "Wolhanian expedition," I'll go with that one. Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:23, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • Could you mention the color of the Chalice in the article? You kind of indicate it by saying it was metallic, but it also has the red lines.
  • Do any of the sources use the term ceremonial in the way you use it in the intro? The way you are using it in the intro would be more of a place for the word ceremony.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 23:04, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • No source uses that particular word, but I didn't want to write "during certain meditation RITUALS, including the Sith Fire RITUAL." Using the same word twice in the same sentence would have been inelegant. If you prefer, I can replace "ceremonials" by "ceremonies." --LelalMekha (talk) 23:11, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I think using ceremonies would be more appropriate.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 23:17, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I haven't checked Beware the Sith, but I don't see anything in any of the other sources indicating that Sith Chalices are a plural thing. It just seems to be this specific, singular Sith Chalice uncovered on Yavin 4, which made its way into Palpatine's possession on Coruscant. Unless I've missed something, the article needs to be revised to reflect this.
    • In the mean time, someone directed me to an additional source I wasn't aware of: the 2014 Official Fact Files. The 13rd issue of the magazine simply calls the Chalice an "incense burner." In light of that information, I shall rewrite the article so that the Sith Chalice is described as singular incense burner. --LelalMekha (talk) 17:05, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • The infobox should also indicate the metallic properties of this singular Sith Chalice.
  • Reference 6 is using the incorrect SW.com citation template. That is the citation template for archived SW.com pages from the site's earlier version. You're looking for {{SW}}. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:22, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • If you're going to keep the final BTS sentence, you should include mention of the Fact File entry. Though the preferable alternative is to just remove that sentence completely, since it's not really adding anything critical. Your choice. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:46, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • I don't usually go for the easy solution, but I'll still remove it all this time. Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:07, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
      • At least that's not as useless as times when I actually got objections for my articles to include really worthless sentences about them being pictured in stuff that gives no info, an example being this, sentence since removed for the worthless garbage it is. That behind the scenes sentence actually mentioned sources that provided new info, so its presence was alright, but agreed that removing it was preferable. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:15, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 22:59, March 12, 2015 (UTC)


  • I've corrected the Sources order, and the chalice is actually named "SITH CHALICE" in a caption in the Visual Dictionary, so it's the first mention (and the Complete VD also has that caption so no {{Po}}). Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 22:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • Thanks. But shouldn't I rather switch the Visual Dictionary from "1stm" to "1stID?" --Lelal Mekha Old Republic military symbol (Audience Room) 22:40, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
      • Nope, because the Visual Dictionary came out before the movie. Turns out that most things in TPM and ROTS were first mentioned in the Visual Dictionaries, Cross-Sections, or Locations; our articles jut don't reflect this at the moment. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 23:04, January 12, 2015 (UTC)